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(Santa Fe Reporter)   Letting your subordinates leave early on Christmas Eve? That a suspension   (sfreporter.com) divider line 24
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2013-01-17 05:01:35 PM
4 votes:
I'd take a suspension so my employees could leave early on Christmas Eve.
2013-01-17 03:46:14 PM
4 votes:
SFR has learned that Franchini allowed insurance division employees to leave work five hours before their Christmas holiday without requiring the employees to submit leave requests and without getting prior approval from Montoya.

You know, it really isn't that difficult to run things by your boss before you do them.  We let out early before holidays but there's no way I'd tell my employees to go home until my director has given me the go ahead.  It's just polite.
2013-01-17 04:53:13 PM
3 votes:
Everyone else miss the prior incidents the manager had? Like not informing the company of his Conflict of Interest? This was just the last straw.
2013-01-17 04:56:07 PM
2 votes:
A poor excuse for picking a man's pocket every twenty-fifth of December! But I suppose you must have the whole day. Be here all the earlier next morning.
2013-01-17 04:52:59 PM
2 votes:
Been there done that, never got in trouble through. Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.
2013-01-17 04:51:04 PM
2 votes:
My boss is wonderful on Christmas eve he left 4 hours early and left his work for the rest of us to finish we managed to do it quick enough to leave an hour and a half early. He wonders why nobody in the office respects or trusts him. He got all pissy at me when I went on vacation because he forgot how to do the work he makes me do that he is supposed to do.
2013-01-17 04:46:57 PM
2 votes:
Are there no poorhouses? Are there no prisons?
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2013-01-17 06:22:23 PM
1 votes:

hutchkc: Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.


You've never worked for the government, have you?  This is the sort of thing they live for. This sort of thing gives directors a sense of purpose, because it shows that they actually do something.  It looks like they are "taking action".  Things like "as long as the work gets done" are so far out of their realm of priorities as to be laughable to suggest.

By way of example, the very last thing a person should ever do at a gov't job is work harder or better or smarter than anyone else in their group. Doing so risks someone another level above finding out that things can actually be done, and then that means everyone your group with will have to actually do work. They'll hate your guts for it; you're ruining their good thing and it'll take months for things to settle back down to their regular pace.

So, no, things like "as long as the work gets done"  count for excactly zero in cases like this.  What counts is that A Rule Was Broken, and that demands action from the very top on down.
2013-01-17 06:20:05 PM
1 votes:
I work retail... there is no "go home early" on Xmas Eve. But at least we aren't open on the 25th or 26th.
2013-01-17 05:58:31 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: darth_shatner: Lsherm: SFR has learned that Franchini allowed insurance division employees to leave work five hours before their Christmas holiday without requiring the employees to submit leave requests and without getting prior approval from Montoya.

I know this because we didn't used to have a policy about letting employees leave early.  But sure enough, one of the "go getter" managers used to let her staff leave every Friday at noon because SHE wanted to leave early.  This built up resentment in other groups, and when upper management found out about it they fired her, and we got an early dismissal policy.


Them firing her is moronic.I'm sorry but if your team is knocking it out and getting things done who cares when they leave. To much petty shiat goes on in a work place and it's just wasting everyones time. I work kind of in the same old school mentality place where so much effort is put into the BS that it over shadows the actual work. Luckily I am high enough up and good enough at what I do that no one monitors what I do and lets me be.

If she was a slacker and not getting it done and leaving at noon then yes take it out on her but if she was good at what she did and her team were solid then leave it alone. Tell the other people to shape up and get in line and follow her lead. People need to stop worrying about what Joe Sixpack is doing across the hallway with his team and worry about his own work more often.
2013-01-17 05:46:07 PM
1 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hutchkc: Been there done that, never got in trouble through. Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.

Bit'O'Gristle: Big farking deal..its Christmas, giving them a 5 hour head start is just a nice thing to do, and lets them be with their families sooner. I can see your point, but the guy who suspended him looks like a farking Scrooge. Better just to pull the guy aside and say "you know..you should have run this by me first" instead of suspending him. Kind of a dick thing to do on a holliday.

Mudboy: Fark Em. They should not have left me in charge.
I did it before and I'll do it again. I still don't care if I get suspended or fired.

The Southern Dandy: I'd take a suspension so my employees could leave early on Christmas Eve.

And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.



Not everyone has a job like the DMV as you mention and not every job has that option. In your DMV case I would assume the manager would say finish these people up and lets go home. In my case we're programmers so nobody was waiting on us. We have deadlines so the day to day isn't important. If I say we'll have something for you by Feb 1st and take 160 hours it doesn't matter if the person doing it works 20 8 hour days or 10 16 hour days. The customer just cares that the deadline is met.

My people work very hard and sometimes like slaves for a deadline, when it's a little slow or around a holiday I let them go. On Xmas eve nothing is getting done anywhere unless they have no choice. Plenty of people are at work, but they are just going through the motions. Everyone knows or should know that, so why pretend and give people a break and improve morale at the same time.
2013-01-17 05:36:01 PM
1 votes:

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hutchkc: Been there done that, never got in trouble through. Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.

Bit'O'Gristle: Big farking deal..its Christmas, giving them a 5 hour head start is just a nice thing to do, and lets them be with their families sooner. I can see your point, but the guy who suspended him looks like a farking Scrooge. Better just to pull the guy aside and say "you know..you should have run this by me first" instead of suspending him. Kind of a dick thing to do on a holliday.

Mudboy: Fark Em. They should not have left me in charge.
I did it before and I'll do it again. I still don't care if I get suspended or fired.

The Southern Dandy: I'd take a suspension so my employees could leave early on Christmas Eve.

And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.


That's right! Why the fark are you at the DMV on Christmas Eve? Go Home! The world doesn't revolve around you. The world takes a break once in a while and this is one of them. Just because you've farked your own shiat up to the point you have to stand in line at the DMV on Xmas Eve is on you, not the DMV. The DMV is CLOSED!! GO HOME AND CELEBRATE XMAS!
2013-01-17 05:30:22 PM
1 votes:
So a Republican (Ben Hall) takes over this commission and wastes no time punishing this guy for something that could so easily have been overlooked. Just as I thought. Those insurers don't pay the GOP all that money for nothing.
2013-01-17 05:25:30 PM
1 votes:

borg: HailRobonia: What about when your boss gets the OK from her boss to close the office early, but instead of telling everyone she just leaves at noon to go shopping while the rest of us work?

My workaholic  supervisor did that except he stayed and made us stay until 5pm after his boss told us we could leave at noon. Every other department left except for the 6 of us.


Your username is oddly appropriate for the story you just told. Your supervisor needs a hip check into the boards for being such a moron.
2013-01-17 05:24:11 PM
1 votes:
My boss has a very strict rule about the workday before a holiday: 1pm is Bacardi time. You can stay and work if you want, but she is going to be getting her rum on and you probably don't want to be around for that.
2013-01-17 04:57:04 PM
1 votes:
Fark Em. They should not have left me in charge.
I did it before and I'll do it again. I still don't care if I get suspended or fired.
2013-01-17 04:55:51 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: SFR has learned that Franchini allowed insurance division employees to leave work five hours before their Christmas holiday without requiring the employees to submit leave requests and without getting prior approval from Montoya.

You know, it really isn't that difficult to run things by your boss before you do them.  We let out early before holidays but there's no way I'd tell my employees to go home until my director has given me the go ahead.  It's just polite.


/Big farking deal..its Christmas, giving them a 5 hour head start is just a nice thing to do, and lets them be with their families sooner. I can see your point, but the guy who suspended him looks like a farking Scrooge. Better just to pull the guy aside and say "you know..you should have run this by me first" instead of suspending him. Kind of a dick thing to do on a holliday.
2013-01-17 04:45:37 PM
1 votes:
I had a boss that would let every go home one hour before normal end of business every Friday before a holiday. The corporate office, and hence the boss's bosses, was one time zone to the east so we they would never know he let us all go home.
2013-01-17 04:44:55 PM
1 votes:
But.. Mr. Scrooge!
CHRISTMAS EVE!

/humbug
2013-01-17 04:40:14 PM
1 votes:

HailRobonia: What about when your boss gets the OK from her boss to close the office early, but instead of telling everyone she just leaves at noon to go shopping while the rest of us work?


I had a boss like that once, it ended badly.
2013-01-17 04:38:35 PM
1 votes:

Tr0mBoNe: Closers don't stop for Christmas.


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Put. That ornament. Down.
2013-01-17 04:38:01 PM
1 votes:
What about when your boss gets the OK from her boss to close the office early, but instead of telling everyone she just leaves at noon to go shopping while the rest of us work?
2013-01-17 04:37:15 PM
1 votes:
Hello.
My name is Johnny Montoya.
You approved early leave without permission.
Prepare to die.
2013-01-17 03:15:31 PM
1 votes:
Closers don't stop for Christmas.
 
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