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(Santa Fe Reporter)   Letting your subordinates leave early on Christmas Eve? That a suspension   (sfreporter.com) divider line 105
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2013-01-17 05:25:32 PM

Lsherm: SFR has learned that Franchini allowed insurance division employees to leave work five hours before their Christmas holiday without requiring the employees to submit leave requests and without getting prior approval from Montoya.

You know, it really isn't that difficult to run things by your boss before you do them.  We let out early before holidays but there's no way I'd tell my employees to go home until my director has given me the go ahead.  It's just polite.


Are you sure that's enough though. Maybe your director should have a chat with the director of HR about it, and the director of HR should probably just let the MD know, and the MD might want to run it past the board.

We certainly dont need managers showing initiative
 
2013-01-17 05:26:26 PM
Ebenezer Scrooge: These are garments, Mr. Cratchit. Garments were invented by the human race as a protection against the cold. Once purchased, they may be used indefinitely for the purpose for which they are intended. Coal burns. Coal is momentary and coal is costly. There will be no more coal burned in this office today, is that quite clear, Mr. Cratchit?

Bob Cratchit: Yes, Sir.

Ebenezer Scrooge: Now please get back to work before I am forced to conclude that your services here are no longer required.
 
2013-01-17 05:26:46 PM

Phoenix_M: MBooda: Letting your subordinates leave early on Christmas Eve?
[media.miamiherald.com image 316x516]
/actually he gave us the whole day off
//not that I didn't appreciate it

Only non-essential Federal Employees got the day off.


That's me, non-essential.

/just ask my family
//depressed, but I still got the day off and you didn't
 
2013-01-17 05:28:24 PM

Skyd1v: My boss has a very strict rule about the workday before a holiday: 1pm is Bacardi time. You can stay and work if you want, but she is going to be getting her rum on and you probably don't want to be around for that.


I ran a call center and had a boss who was very similar, her quote was "Make sure 2 people are sober enough to answer the phone" we'd set up a bar in the conference room and party all afternoon. This happened a lot on Friday's as well.
 
2013-01-17 05:30:14 PM

hutchkc: Been there done that, never got in trouble through. Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.


Bit'O'Gristle: Big farking deal..its Christmas, giving them a 5 hour head start is just a nice thing to do, and lets them be with their families sooner. I can see your point, but the guy who suspended him looks like a farking Scrooge. Better just to pull the guy aside and say "you know..you should have run this by me first" instead of suspending him. Kind of a dick thing to do on a holliday.


Mudboy: Fark Em. They should not have left me in charge.
I did it before and I'll do it again. I still don't care if I get suspended or fired.


The Southern Dandy: I'd take a suspension so my employees could leave early on Christmas Eve.


And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.
 
2013-01-17 05:30:22 PM
So a Republican (Ben Hall) takes over this commission and wastes no time punishing this guy for something that could so easily have been overlooked. Just as I thought. Those insurers don't pay the GOP all that money for nothing.
 
2013-01-17 05:30:26 PM

TomD9938: FTA : Last year, former Commissioner Jerome Block, Jr. pleaded guilty to fraud and misusing PRC-issued gas credit cards to support his drug habit.

Ol' Jerry never let the staff out early for no good reason though.

/ inmates are running the asylum...


"One in 25 bosses may be psychopaths - a rate that's four times greater than in the general population - according to research by psychologist and executive coach Paul Babiak."
http://healthland.time.com/2011/09/20/study-1-in-25-business-leaders- m ay-be-psychopaths/
 
2013-01-17 05:31:57 PM
Ugh everyone talking about being "let" out for Christmas a mere 2 hours early makes me happy that I'm an independent contractor. I was thinking of going back to corporate, but fark that. The only person who arranges my schedule is me.
 
2013-01-17 05:32:46 PM

Tom_Slick: Skyd1v: My boss has a very strict rule about the workday before a holiday: 1pm is Bacardi time. You can stay and work if you want, but she is going to be getting her rum on and you probably don't want to be around for that.

I ran a call center and had a boss who was very similar, her quote was "Make sure 2 people are sober enough to answer the phone" we'd set up a bar in the conference room and party all afternoon. This happened a lot on Friday's as well.


It's all fun and games until the panda is sad.
www.southparkstudios.com

/fear
//fear
 
2013-01-17 05:35:40 PM
Meanwhile, my boss buys us beer to drink after hours, and the company holding group CEO stops by to talk about tequila, also, business.
 
2013-01-17 05:36:01 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hutchkc: Been there done that, never got in trouble through. Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.

Bit'O'Gristle: Big farking deal..its Christmas, giving them a 5 hour head start is just a nice thing to do, and lets them be with their families sooner. I can see your point, but the guy who suspended him looks like a farking Scrooge. Better just to pull the guy aside and say "you know..you should have run this by me first" instead of suspending him. Kind of a dick thing to do on a holliday.

Mudboy: Fark Em. They should not have left me in charge.
I did it before and I'll do it again. I still don't care if I get suspended or fired.

The Southern Dandy: I'd take a suspension so my employees could leave early on Christmas Eve.

And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.


That's right! Why the fark are you at the DMV on Christmas Eve? Go Home! The world doesn't revolve around you. The world takes a break once in a while and this is one of them. Just because you've farked your own shiat up to the point you have to stand in line at the DMV on Xmas Eve is on you, not the DMV. The DMV is CLOSED!! GO HOME AND CELEBRATE XMAS!
 
2013-01-17 05:37:36 PM

darth_shatner: Lsherm: SFR has learned that Franchini allowed insurance division employees to leave work five hours before their Christmas holiday without requiring the employees to submit leave requests and without getting prior approval from Montoya.

You know, it really isn't that difficult to run things by your boss before you do them.  We let out early before holidays but there's no way I'd tell my employees to go home until my director has given me the go ahead.  It's just polite.

Are you sure that's enough though. Maybe your director should have a chat with the director of HR about it, and the director of HR should probably just let the MD know, and the MD might want to run it past the board.

We certainly dont need managers showing initiative


xynix: Then again when you place a person into a position of management you expect them to lead certain pieces by themselves.


Depends on how your organization is set up.  I manage 11 staff members, but the entire department is 300 people.  If I let my staff leave early and it isn't coordinated with the other managers, there would be hell to pay.

I know this because we didn't used to have a policy about letting employees leave early.  But sure enough, one of the "go getter" managers used to let her staff leave every Friday at noon because SHE wanted to leave early.  This built up resentment in other groups, and when upper management found out about it they fired her, and we got an early dismissal policy.
 
2013-01-17 05:38:36 PM

Lollipop165: Ugh everyone talking about being "let" out for Christmas a mere 2 hours early makes me happy that I'm an independent contractor. I was thinking of going back to corporate, but fark that. The only person who arranges my schedule is me.


People love beating traffic but the boss is the boss.

/farking psychos
 
2013-01-17 05:41:12 PM

The Southern Dandy: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hutchkc: Been there done that, never got in trouble through. Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.

Bit'O'Gristle: Big farking deal..its Christmas, giving them a 5 hour head start is just a nice thing to do, and lets them be with their families sooner. I can see your point, but the guy who suspended him looks like a farking Scrooge. Better just to pull the guy aside and say "you know..you should have run this by me first" instead of suspending him. Kind of a dick thing to do on a holliday.

Mudboy: Fark Em. They should not have left me in charge.
I did it before and I'll do it again. I still don't care if I get suspended or fired.

The Southern Dandy: I'd take a suspension so my employees could leave early on Christmas Eve.

And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.

That's right! Why the fark are you at the DMV on Christmas Eve? Go Home! The world doesn't revolve around you. The world takes a break once in a while and this is one of them. Just because you've farked your own shiat up to the point you have to stand in line at the DMV on Xmas Eve is on you, not the DMV. The DMV is CLOSED!! GO HOME AND CELEBRATE XMAS!


This to the bolded text...
 
2013-01-17 05:43:09 PM
Working in IT at newspapers kinda blew when it came to leaving early on xmas eve.
All the other office types were able to leave early. But since operations was still going. We had to stay. If you were meeting up with others that were getting together for a few, we were always way behind their level by the time we got there.
 
2013-01-17 05:43:32 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hutchkc: Been there done that, never got in trouble through. Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.

Bit'O'Gristle: Big farking deal..its Christmas, giving them a 5 hour head start is just a nice thing to do, and lets them be with their families sooner. I can see your point, but the guy who suspended him looks like a farking Scrooge. Better just to pull the guy aside and say "you know..you should have run this by me first" instead of suspending him. Kind of a dick thing to do on a holliday.

Mudboy: Fark Em. They should not have left me in charge.
I did it before and I'll do it again. I still don't care if I get suspended or fired.

The Southern Dandy: I'd take a suspension so my employees could leave early on Christmas Eve.

And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.


Meh. 4/10. You did put a little thought into it.
 
2013-01-17 05:43:36 PM

johnryan51: Lsherm: SFR has learned that Franchini allowed insurance division employees to leave work five hours before their Christmas holiday without requiring the employees to submit leave requests and without getting prior approval from Montoya.

You know, it really isn't that difficult to run things by your boss before you do them.  We let out early before holidays but there's no way I'd tell my employees to go home until my director has given me the go ahead.  It's just polite.

Polite??? I don't think your doing this to be polite.


No doubt... someone with a case of CYA. Just sayin.
 
2013-01-17 05:44:01 PM
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2013-01-17 05:46:07 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hutchkc: Been there done that, never got in trouble through. Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.

Bit'O'Gristle: Big farking deal..its Christmas, giving them a 5 hour head start is just a nice thing to do, and lets them be with their families sooner. I can see your point, but the guy who suspended him looks like a farking Scrooge. Better just to pull the guy aside and say "you know..you should have run this by me first" instead of suspending him. Kind of a dick thing to do on a holliday.

Mudboy: Fark Em. They should not have left me in charge.
I did it before and I'll do it again. I still don't care if I get suspended or fired.

The Southern Dandy: I'd take a suspension so my employees could leave early on Christmas Eve.

And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.



Not everyone has a job like the DMV as you mention and not every job has that option. In your DMV case I would assume the manager would say finish these people up and lets go home. In my case we're programmers so nobody was waiting on us. We have deadlines so the day to day isn't important. If I say we'll have something for you by Feb 1st and take 160 hours it doesn't matter if the person doing it works 20 8 hour days or 10 16 hour days. The customer just cares that the deadline is met.

My people work very hard and sometimes like slaves for a deadline, when it's a little slow or around a holiday I let them go. On Xmas eve nothing is getting done anywhere unless they have no choice. Plenty of people are at work, but they are just going through the motions. Everyone knows or should know that, so why pretend and give people a break and improve morale at the same time.
 
2013-01-17 05:52:02 PM

The Southern Dandy: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.

That's right! Why the fark are you at the DMV on Christmas Eve? Go Home! The world doesn't revolve around you. The world takes a break once in a while and this is one of them. Just because you've farked your own shiat up to the point you have to stand in line at the DMV on Xmas Eve is on you, not the DMV. The DMV is CLOSED!! GO HOME AND CELEBRATE XMAS!


Fine. Then tell everyone the DMV is closed on Christmas Eve so people can plan for it. Don't pull a bait-and-switch. And how do you know the people who are in on Christmas Eve are waiting until the last minute? Maybe they work two jobs and have very little time during regular business hours.

And why only Christmas Eve? Why not any other day of the week? Would you have the same opinion if it was Admin Assistant Day or whatever the hell it's called?

And how do you know the people depending on them are people who think "the world evolves around them"? What if you're a lineman trying to fix a blown transformer and need something but can't get through because everyone at Dispatch were invited by their "cool" boss to an early happy hour? I guess "the world doesn't revolve" around the 6,000 customers who are going to remain without power over Christmas because people who were expected to be doing their job were not.
 
2013-01-17 05:55:41 PM
its a war on Christmas and Christians is what this is
 
2013-01-17 05:58:31 PM

Lsherm: darth_shatner: Lsherm: SFR has learned that Franchini allowed insurance division employees to leave work five hours before their Christmas holiday without requiring the employees to submit leave requests and without getting prior approval from Montoya.

I know this because we didn't used to have a policy about letting employees leave early.  But sure enough, one of the "go getter" managers used to let her staff leave every Friday at noon because SHE wanted to leave early.  This built up resentment in other groups, and when upper management found out about it they fired her, and we got an early dismissal policy.


Them firing her is moronic.I'm sorry but if your team is knocking it out and getting things done who cares when they leave. To much petty shiat goes on in a work place and it's just wasting everyones time. I work kind of in the same old school mentality place where so much effort is put into the BS that it over shadows the actual work. Luckily I am high enough up and good enough at what I do that no one monitors what I do and lets me be.

If she was a slacker and not getting it done and leaving at noon then yes take it out on her but if she was good at what she did and her team were solid then leave it alone. Tell the other people to shape up and get in line and follow her lead. People need to stop worrying about what Joe Sixpack is doing across the hallway with his team and worry about his own work more often.
 
2013-01-17 05:59:32 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hutchkc: Been there done that, never got in trouble through. Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.

Bit'O'Gristle: Big farking deal..its Christmas, giving them a 5 hour head start is just a nice thing to do, and lets them be with their families sooner. I can see your point, but the guy who suspended him looks like a farking Scrooge. Better just to pull the guy aside and say "you know..you should have run this by me first" instead of suspending him. Kind of a dick thing to do on a holliday.

Mudboy: Fark Em. They should not have left me in charge.
I did it before and I'll do it again. I still don't care if I get suspended or fired.

The Southern Dandy: I'd take a suspension so my employees could leave early on Christmas Eve.

And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.


How Christ-like. Thanks for that.
 
2013-01-17 06:01:29 PM

hutchkc: Not everyone has a job like the DMV as you mention and not every job has that option. In your DMV case I would assume the manager would say finish these people up and lets go home. In my case we're programmers so nobody was waiting on us. We have deadlines so the day to day isn't important. If I say we'll have something for you by Feb 1st and take 160 hours it doesn't matter if the person doing it works 20 8 hour days or 10 16 hour days. The customer just cares that the deadline is met.

My people work very hard and sometimes like slaves for a deadline, when it's a little slow or around a holiday I let them go. On Xmas eve nothing is getting done anywhere unless they have no choice. Plenty of people are at work, but they are just going through the motions. Everyone knows or should know that, so why pretend and give people a break and improve morale at the same time.


And in your case it's probably fine (I still still disagree on the DMV example, because people were told you'd be open certain hours so you have an obligation to stick to that). My point is that all these people are in here saying "what's the problem with letting people go home early?" without even considering the context. They're projecting their own office-drone circumstances. Depending on the vantage point one might have very differing opinions about how cool it actually is to spontaneously let people off early. My guess is that most of the people who are so adamant about saying "what's the problem" are the same ones who pitch a farking fit when THEIR needs are not immediately met because circumstance got in the way of the person who was supposed to meet their needs... but as long as it doesn't impact them, then hell yeah let's be totally cool and close early.
 
2013-01-17 06:02:49 PM

Phoenix_M: Only non-essential Federal Employees got the day off


So . . . everyone stayed home?
 
2013-01-17 06:10:21 PM

StoPPeRmobile: How Christ-like. Thanks for that.


Yeah, the world stops at a random time somewhere between 24 and 37 hours before Christmas. No one needs a doctor or a nurse, to get gas for their car, to pick up a couple of ingredients for Christmas dinner, to purchase or receive those last-minute gifts, etc. I'm sure you've never needed anything after 11:00am on Christmas Eve, right? Otherwise that would make you un-Christ-like.
 
2013-01-17 06:12:23 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: Hello.
My name is Johnny Montoya.
You approved early leave without permission.
Prepare to die.


Came here for this, leaving satisfied.
 
2013-01-17 06:14:19 PM

URAPNIS: They should make Christmas the last Friday in December, every year.


 You can't just move Jesus' birthday anywhere you like...

DROxINxTHExWIND: /Update: there is a large storm planned for the DC area, today. It was supppsed to hit around 2pm, so I thought I was going to have to go through the same bullshiat. Thankfully, as of 5:01 est, the snow has not started. I'll be home with my feet up by the time it starts.


One of my folks decided to telework. I see it snowed several feet.

Once worked for a Chevy dealership where the boss would shut down at 11am on XMAS eve. He bought tons of sandwiches and a keg of beer. Good times, especially doing 75 down main street in my friend's Super Nova after most of that keg was gone.

/glad to be alive.
 
2013-01-17 06:18:19 PM
I'll probably get shiat for this but it was usually a pain in the ass when my company closed early before a long weekend. Usually, we'd get an email just before lunch saying we could go home at 2pm today. Seems great but, by the first few times, I was already hip deep in a day's work by the time the announcement came out. And was I really going to go to lunch then come back and work 1 hour? Probably not because I was scrambling to finish my work 3 hours early and I needed that hour to have any chance of wrapping up some of my tasks.

I eventually caught on and just assumed that we'd be leaving early before long weekends and made sure I never started a big job on those days. Just like I adjusted to their "It's 5pm, GTFO!" policy. I also found that one a bit irksome because I'd rather stay an extra 15 minutes to finish something than have to pick it up cold Monday morning.

But sometimes you just have to adjust to rough working conditions. :)
 
2013-01-17 06:20:05 PM
I work retail... there is no "go home early" on Xmas Eve. But at least we aren't open on the 25th or 26th.
 
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2013-01-17 06:22:23 PM

hutchkc: Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.


You've never worked for the government, have you?  This is the sort of thing they live for. This sort of thing gives directors a sense of purpose, because it shows that they actually do something.  It looks like they are "taking action".  Things like "as long as the work gets done" are so far out of their realm of priorities as to be laughable to suggest.

By way of example, the very last thing a person should ever do at a gov't job is work harder or better or smarter than anyone else in their group. Doing so risks someone another level above finding out that things can actually be done, and then that means everyone your group with will have to actually do work. They'll hate your guts for it; you're ruining their good thing and it'll take months for things to settle back down to their regular pace.

So, no, things like "as long as the work gets done"  count for excactly zero in cases like this.  What counts is that A Rule Was Broken, and that demands action from the very top on down.
 
2013-01-17 06:35:26 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Lsherm: SFR has learned that Franchini allowed insurance division employees to leave work five hours before their Christmas holiday without requiring the employees to submit leave requests and without getting prior approval from Montoya.

You know, it really isn't that difficult to run things by your boss before you do them.  We let out early before holidays but there's no way I'd tell my employees to go home until my director has given me the go ahead.  It's just polite.

I'd agree...except for the time that I DID tell them to go home.

CSB Time:

A couple of years ago as Snowmageddon was just starting to shiat on us here in the DC area, I went to the VP of Finance to let her know that since the weather was beginning to get bad and they were predicting that it would get much worse, I was going to give my status notice that they could leave for the day. The VP of Finance, who drives a giant Suburban and who lives about 10 minutes from the office, just couldn't see the need for anyone to leave for "a little snow". I told her that I would give it a little more time and I did not tell them that they could leave. About an hour passed and it was clearly beginning to get bad outside. I went back to her office and was once again met with cold indifference. She almost acted insulted that I had brought it up again. I went back to my office, sent an e-mail to call a quick meeting, and told them all to go home safely and I'd see them tomorrow, weather permitting. I then went back to the VPs office and told her that I had dismissed everyone for the day and that I was leaving too. She was pissed, but the horses were out of the barn already (so to speak). It was the best call I ever made. When I got onto the roads I realized that it was MUCH worse than I could tell from the office window. It took me three hours to make a 45 minute drive. I almost got into one major and a few minor accidents, and by the time I got home there was no place to park because all of the folks with decen ...



I had a very similar thing happen. Only for me, I had only JUST started the job the previous week. And even though I was brown-nosing by working on Sunday, I had to stay until the huge SUV driving boss said to go.

I drove a 73 Firebird in the blizzard all the way home. I barely made it into my development. And even then, I had to walk about a mile to get to my house. I was snowed in for 4 days!

If I don't take anything else away from this, I can tell you that a 73 Firebird can drive through damned near anything!! It got me pretty close to home. When I went to dig it out 4 days later, the entire engine well was filled with snow.

It took weeks to get that thing running properly again. But MAN that was a helluva car!

//This has nothing to do with Christmas.
 
2013-01-17 06:38:42 PM
Yay New Mexico!! Best part of that article was the stream of drug addicts/thiefs who occupied the position before him.
 
2013-01-17 06:48:42 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: StoPPeRmobile: How Christ-like. Thanks for that.

Yeah, the world stops at a random time somewhere between 24 and 37 hours before Christmas. No one needs a doctor or a nurse, to get gas for their car, to pick up a couple of ingredients for Christmas dinner, to purchase or receive those last-minute gifts, etc. I'm sure you've never needed anything after 11:00am on Christmas Eve, right? Otherwise that would make you un-Christ-like.


Sorry, wtf do you wait until a random time, somewhere between 24 and 37 hours before Christmas to go to the DMV or in this case, need to buy insurance?

It's funny how you mix life-saving jobs with grocery-store jobs.

Capitalism will march on without you cheerleading.

/capitalist
//slightly greedy
 
2013-01-17 07:04:38 PM

Ebbelwoi: Hey subtard! Nowhere does it mention Christmas Eve..... suuuuuuuuuuubtard.


You're right, it only said "five hours before their Christmas holiday". Only a moron would assume that to be early on Christmas Eve. Why, that could be any day of the year! Who knows when some companies take their Christmas holiday?
 
2013-01-17 07:06:34 PM
Are these salaried employees? The kind thatsometimes have to stay late without extra compensation because they're getting paid to get the job done? Why does that only work one way? I have to work into the evening, often with little or no warning but it's a crisis if I occasionaly leave a few hours early? Companies that operate this way are the same ones that wonder why morale is low and don't understand why the gift of a little glass jar filled with fake M&Ms doesn't improve morale.

I've worked places where employees are treated with trust & respect and I've worked places where employees are treated like kindergarteners. Guess which type of place had good morale and produced quality work?

My husband works for a consulting company (aka Beltway bandit). The contact he's on specifies that the client cannot be billed for more than 40 hours per week per employee. So if they put in extra time to meet a deadline, they are required to take off an equivalent amount of time the following week.
 
2013-01-17 07:20:20 PM

Kanemano: How much work do you think was getting done on Christmas eve. I don't know where you guys have worked but if we have to be in the office on Christmas eve the whole day is about a one hour of real work and then drinking and shenanigans till the boss gives in and lets us go home


Pretty much this. I work at a university and the faculty don't bother to show up after the second week of December. We putter around for the third week having the university, college, and department holiday parties. The fourth week they send us home. Doesn't even count as vacation.

(They also let us out 2.5 or 3 hours early on the Friday before long weekends and the 4th of July.)
 
2013-01-17 07:37:25 PM

StoPPeRmobile: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: StoPPeRmobile: How Christ-like. Thanks for that.

Yeah, the world stops at a random time somewhere between 24 and 37 hours before Christmas. No one needs a doctor or a nurse, to get gas for their car, to pick up a couple of ingredients for Christmas dinner, to purchase or receive those last-minute gifts, etc. I'm sure you've never needed anything after 11:00am on Christmas Eve, right? Otherwise that would make you un-Christ-like.

Sorry, wtf do you wait until a random time, somewhere between 24 and 37 hours before Christmas to go to the DMV or in this case, need to buy insurance?

It's funny how you mix life-saving jobs with grocery-store jobs.

Capitalism will march on without you cheerleading.

/capitalist
//slightly greedy


So according to you, a policy of "if you're going to close early, give people more than a ten minute heads-up so they can plan accordingly" is unreasonable. Got it.
 
2013-01-17 07:46:04 PM

Lsherm: You know, it really isn't that difficult to run things by your boss before you do them. We let out early before holidays but there's no way I'd tell my employees to go home until my director has given me the go ahead. It's just polite.


Depends on where you work, I guess. My boss would actually likely get mildly irritated if I brought something like that to her attention - the reason my employees report to me and not her is that she expects I can handle most decisions on my own.

Of course, this assumes it's a gray area in terms of policy. If policy is clear that these people cannot take off early without requesting leave, then they need to request leave.
 
2013-01-17 08:40:01 PM

Jon H: Insurance people/ fark em


Well, the people who keep the insurance companies from violating the law or applying giant rate increases.
 
2013-01-17 08:41:29 PM

MyRandomName: Everyone else miss the prior incidents the manager had? Like not informing the company of his Conflict of Interest? This was just the last straw.


Incident, not incidents. Also, note that he turned around a corrupt, flailing institution.
 
2013-01-17 08:54:40 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: StoPPeRmobile: How Christ-like. Thanks for that.

Yeah, the world stops at a random time somewhere between 24 and 37 hours before Christmas. No one needs a doctor or a nurse, to get gas for their car, to pick up a couple of ingredients for Christmas dinner, to purchase or receive those last-minute gifts, etc. I'm sure you've never needed anything after 11:00am on Christmas Eve, right? Otherwise that would make you un-Christ-like.


And insurance administration is like this how?
 
2013-01-17 09:17:52 PM
I let all my staff go home at noon on Christmas eve, and while the letter of the rules do state that they need to document these things, our HR people and General Managers don't feel that doing that once a year violates the spirit of the rules.
 
2013-01-17 09:31:04 PM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: The Southern Dandy: Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.

That's right! Why the fark are you at the DMV on Christmas Eve? Go Home! The world doesn't revolve around you. The world takes a break once in a while and this is one of them. Just because you've farked your own shiat up to the point you have to stand in line at the DMV on Xmas Eve is on you, not the DMV. The DMV is CLOSED!! GO HOME AND CELEBRATE XMAS!

Fine. Then tell everyone the DMV is closed on Christmas Eve so people can plan for it. Don't pull a bait-and-switch. And how do you know the people who are in on Christmas Eve are waiting until the last minute? Maybe they work two jobs and have very little time during regular business hours.

And why only Christmas Eve? Why not any other day of the week? Would you have the same opinion if it was Admin Assistant Day or whatever the hell it's called?

And how do you know the people depending on them are people who think "the world evolves around them"? What if you're a lineman trying to fix a blown transformer and need something but can't get through because everyone at Dispatch were invited by their "cool" boss to an early happy hour? I guess "the world doesn't revolve" around the 6,000 customers who are going to remain without power over Christmas because people who were expected to be doing their job were not.


You worry too much. Here, have a nice cocktail.
 
2013-01-17 09:46:14 PM
I had a boss who used to call (from home) at 10 til 5 on the day before every holiday just to "check in and see how things were going". He died at his desk. Karma is a biatch.
 
2013-01-17 10:16:54 PM
When I worked for the state (I did that twice!) they always used to let us two days before the xmas holiday.

And even when I worked for the company that shall not be named even as it's shopping itself around to VC's to go private - they were pretty liberal about time off too.
 
2013-01-17 11:39:45 PM
We usually get to leave at 2pm the Friday before Monday holidays, or a day before midweek holidays like Christmas. So I will most likely enjoy leaving at 2pm tomorrow since we have Monday off for MLK day. It's good to be a bank employee sometimes.
 
2013-01-18 12:20:19 AM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hutchkc: Been there done that, never got in trouble through. Figure if you don't like the way I run my department then maybe you shouldn't have given it to me. As long as the work gets done they why be so petty and care.

Bit'O'Gristle: Big farking deal..its Christmas, giving them a 5 hour head start is just a nice thing to do, and lets them be with their families sooner. I can see your point, but the guy who suspended him looks like a farking Scrooge. Better just to pull the guy aside and say "you know..you should have run this by me first" instead of suspending him. Kind of a dick thing to do on a holliday.

Mudboy: Fark Em. They should not have left me in charge.
I did it before and I'll do it again. I still don't care if I get suspended or fired.

The Southern Dandy: I'd take a suspension so my employees could leave early on Christmas Eve.

And fark anyone else who might be depending on them to be on that job at that time (you know, the time everyone else had EXPECTED them to be on the job, the time their customers had been TOLD that they would be on the job), right?

If you've been at the DMV for two hours waiting for your number to be called, you're only three people away from finally getting up there to get your license or tags renewed, only to have the supervisor come out and say, "hey, folks, I'm in a Christmas mood, so we're shutting down right now so my employees can go home to spend more time with their families"? I'm guessing you might have a different opinion about what a nice guy he is.


Why are you waiting at the DMV on Christmas eve for, you goon? GO HOME
 
2013-01-18 12:26:23 AM

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: hutchkc: Not everyone has a job like the DMV as you mention and not every job has that option. In your DMV case I would assume the manager would say finish these people up and lets go home. In my case we're programmers so nobody was waiting on us. We have deadlines so the day to day isn't important. If I say we'll have something for you by Feb 1st and take 160 hours it doesn't matter if the person doing it works 20 8 hour days or 10 16 hour days. The customer just cares that the deadline is met.

My people work very hard and sometimes like slaves for a deadline, when it's a little slow or around a holiday I let them go. On Xmas eve nothing is getting done anywhere unless they have no choice. Plenty of people are at work, but they are just going through the motions. Everyone knows or should know that, so why pretend and give people a break and improve morale at the same time.

And in your case it's probably fine (I still still disagree on the DMV example, because people were told you'd be open certain hours so you have an obligation to stick to that). My point is that all these people are in here saying "what's the problem with letting people go home early?" without even considering the context. They're projecting their own office-drone circumstances. Depending on the vantage point one might have very differing opinions about how cool it actually is to spontaneously let people off early. My guess is that most of the people who are so adamant about saying "what's the problem" are the same ones who pitch a farking fit when THEIR needs are not immediately met because circumstance got in the way of the person who was supposed to meet their needs... but as long as it doesn't impact them, then hell yeah let's be totally cool and close early.


As someone who HAS gotten stiffed by places closing unexpectedly early on holidays, I say to you "TOUGH CHEESE."
 
2013-01-18 01:25:55 AM
God bless us...everyone!


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