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2013-01-17 03:29:50 PM  
So far this winter has been amazingly mild where I live. If this is global warming I say bring it on. Screw the rest of you. You can all burn and flood. It's MY turn to live in the tropics.
 
2013-01-17 03:36:43 PM  
when Ontario is the tropics.. i think we all have problems..
 
2013-01-17 03:40:21 PM  

Ghastly: So far this winter has been amazingly mild where I live. If this is global warming I say bring it on. Screw the rest of you. You can all burn and flood. It's MY turn to live in the tropics.



I live in Oklahoma, so far we've had one week below 30 and only another week or less below 40.

Although in the summer it's been over 100 from about June 20th to Sept 29th.

Oklahoma the new New Mexico
 
2013-01-17 03:48:10 PM  
fink larked?
 
2013-01-17 03:58:17 PM  
Hmmm ... I wonder if this is a thread where deniers claim:

(a) warming has stopped based on way too short a trend
(b) there is no warming
(c) that some completely unrelated time in the past was warm so AGW doesn't matter for some reason
(d) warming is happening but it is not caused by man

They flip-flop from thread to threat so it is hard to keep track.
 
2013-01-17 04:28:11 PM  

Ghastly: So far this winter has been amazingly mild where I live.


Same here; had 70º weather this weekend. Of course now, though, it's snowing. Big, wet, clumpy, horrid little things that 'splat' when they hit the ground.

Luckily, I've a hot tub, beer, and no place to go, so I'm good.
 
2013-01-17 04:41:03 PM  
Seems to have been a pretty average winter this year (except for it being 68 last saturday). Is hovering around the mid-high 30's, on Monday its going to be a low of 12 and a high of 24.

/SE Ohio
 
2013-01-17 04:50:27 PM  

Farking Canuck: Hmmm ... I wonder if this is a thread where deniers claim:

(a) warming has stopped based on way too short a trend
(b) there is no warming
(c) that some completely unrelated time in the past was warm so AGW doesn't matter for some reason
(d) warming is happening but it is not caused by man

They flip-flop from thread to threat so it is hard to keep track.


my money's on

(e) man did not cause the warming which never happened and has stopped
 
2013-01-17 04:52:41 PM  
Its actually colder. The gradual expansion of the universe is gradually changing the physical laws we are used too. Mercury is getting more sensitive to thermal expansion and that's making the thermometers read hot.
 
2013-01-17 05:00:08 PM  
So far: January; +1.6 F and December +6.5 F. So December was quite warm for us while January is somewhat warmer than normal. In short, meh, with a hint of foreboding. 90 F in Gary, Indiana in March is a bit scary.
 
2013-01-17 05:21:57 PM  
Last week: +10
This week: -15.

At this point I'd just like a little consistency. At least all the caked-on ice on the sidewalks melted, so it's possible to walk without slipping.
 
2013-01-17 05:28:42 PM  
The winter of 2010 was unusually warm in the eastern US? What? Are people's memories that bad? It was farking horrendously cold and snowy that winter. 2011 was the warm one.
 
2013-01-17 05:29:19 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Its actually colder. The gradual expansion of the universe is gradually changing the physical laws we are used too. Mercury is getting more sensitive to thermal expansion and that's making the thermometers read hot.


You should contact Scott Adams with this theory.
 
2013-01-17 05:52:55 PM  
In Australia or in Argentina?

/ farking freezing where I live in the past three years
// also likely due to global warming
 
2013-01-17 06:43:32 PM  
I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.

www.skepticalscience.com

Because boy, would that be a simplistic, dishonest, and trolly argument.

www.skepticalscience.com
 
2013-01-17 06:53:14 PM  

Farking Canuck: Hmmm ... I wonder if this is a thread where deniers claim:

(a) warming has stopped based on way too short a trend
(b) there is no warming
(c) that some completely unrelated time in the past was warm so AGW doesn't matter for some reason
(d) warming is happening but it is not caused by man

They flip-flop from thread to threat so it is hard to keep track.


You forgot several:
(e) Global warming is a hoax because Al Gore is a fat guy with a big house.
(f) Global warming isn't important because mankind could spend trillions of dollars "adapting", instead of spending much less mitigating.
(g) Global warming is a hoax because I have a picture of something that might be an active temperature monitoring station near an air conditioner. Also, satellites see the same trend because those sneaky scientists also install air conditioners in space.
(h) LIIIIIIBS!!!!! Libtards. LIIIIBS!

We've already seen flavors of:
(i) Global warming is a hoax because the place where my house is was cold not that long ago for a little while.
 
2013-01-17 07:19:47 PM  

chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.


jonova.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-01-17 07:25:51 PM  

Bondith: Last week: +10
This week: -15.

At this point I'd just like a little consistency. At least all the caked-on ice on the sidewalks melted, so it's possible to walk without slipping.


This, except the ice hasn't melted yet. Also my extremes were -40 and 35 on the Fahrenheit scale. But this is Alaska and I'm tired of our October-April winters getting interrupted because dammit they might be miserable, but they're MY miserable.
 
2013-01-17 07:27:24 PM  

HighZoolander: Farking Canuck: Hmmm ... I wonder if this is a thread where deniers claim:

(a) warming has stopped based on way too short a trend
(b) there is no warming
(c) that some completely unrelated time in the past was warm so AGW doesn't matter for some reason
(d) warming is happening but it is not caused by man

They flip-flop from thread to threat so it is hard to keep track.

my money's on

(e) man did not cause the warming which never happened and has stopped


(f) Jesus controls the weather, and who are we to question him?
 
2013-01-17 07:28:06 PM  

Farking Canuck: Hmmm ... I wonder if this is a thread where deniers claim:

(a) warming has stopped based on way too short a trend
(b) there is no warming
(c) that some completely unrelated time in the past was warm so AGW doesn't matter for some reason
(d) warming is happening but it is not caused by man

They flip-flop from thread to threat so it is hard to keep track.


But it's a guarantee your gullible ass is gonna be posting in ALL of them. Sky be fallin, chicken little says, pay me money and I'll keep you ascairt and quiverin in yer booties!
 
2013-01-17 07:40:16 PM  

DesertDemonWY: chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.

[jonova.s3.amazonaws.com image 850x551]


Chinese Science Bulletin? These a journal with an astounding track record....
 
2013-01-17 07:40:52 PM  

Reverend J: DesertDemonWY: chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.

[jonova.s3.amazonaws.com image 850x551]

Chinese Science Bulletin? These a journal with an astounding track record....


These=There's

/Need beer
 
2013-01-17 08:33:38 PM  
Farking Canuck:
Hmmm ... I wonder if this is a thread where deniers claim:

(a) warming has stopped based on way too short a trend
(b) there is no warming
(c) that some completely unrelated time in the past was warm so AGW doesn't matter for some reason
(d) warming is happening but it is not caused by man

They flip-flop from thread to threat so it is hard to keep track.

How about a thread when people with a skepticism normally REQUIRED in scientists claim that localized weather events are not the same thing as climate, like warmer alarmists claim every single time there is a cold weather event? Does that work for you?
 
2013-01-17 09:10:49 PM  
chimp_ninja:
I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.

Yeah, I know what you mean...

earthintime.com
 
2013-01-17 09:37:06 PM  

chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.


slightly downward perhaps?

www.redorbit.com
 
2013-01-17 09:50:14 PM  
Switching to Global Warming is saving me 15% on heating bills.
 
2013-01-17 09:52:45 PM  
It also brings Ramona Flowers.

www.29-95.com

/and her seven evil exes.
 
2013-01-17 11:31:38 PM  

Farking Canuck: Hmmm ... I wonder if this is a thread where deniers claim:

(a) warming has stopped based on way too short a trend
(b) there is no warming
(c) that some completely unrelated time in the past was warm so AGW doesn't matter for some reason
(d) warming is happening but it is not caused by man

They flip-flop from thread to threat so it is hard to keep track.


Looks like they are going with (c) ... how very Fark of them. They ignore the evidence that shows that man is causing the current warming and the trillions of $$ in damages that will result because, wait for it, it was warm in the past. Sound logic there.

I guess they don't use sun screen because there was a sunny day last week!!
 
2013-01-17 11:55:26 PM  

GeneralJim: Farking Canuck: Hmmm ... I wonder if this is a thread where deniers claim:

(a) warming has stopped based on way too short a trend
(b) there is no warming
(c) that some completely unrelated time in the past was warm so AGW doesn't matter for some reason
(d) warming is happening but it is not caused by man

They flip-flop from thread to threat so it is hard to keep track.
How about a thread when people with a skepticism normally REQUIRED in scientists claim that localized weather events are not the same thing as climate, like warmer alarmists claim every single time there is a cold weather event? Does that work for you?


How about a thread where a self-proclaimed 'skeptic' uses the difference between local and global averages to scream FRAUDULENT DATA MANIPULATION because he's a dumbass. And a liar.

Oh wait, we've already had that thread
 
2013-01-18 12:51:15 AM  

Yamaneko2: 90 F in Gary, Indiana in March is a bit scary.


To be fare, Gary, Indiana is a bit scary.
 
2013-01-18 01:48:37 AM  

GeneralJim: Farking Canuck: Hmmm ... I wonder if this is a thread where deniers claim:

(a) warming has stopped based on way too short a trend
(b) there is no warming
(c) that some completely unrelated time in the past was warm so AGW doesn't matter for some reason
(d) warming is happening but it is not caused by man

They flip-flop from thread to threat so it is hard to keep track.

How about a thread when people with a skepticism normally REQUIRED in scientists claim that localized weather events are not the same thing as climate, like warmer alarmists claim every single time there is a cold weather event? Does that work for you?



Warmer alarmists?

blog.chron.com
 
2013-01-18 01:50:13 AM  

common sense is an oxymoron: GeneralJim: Farking Canuck: Hmmm ... I wonder if this is a thread where deniers claim:

(a) warming has stopped based on way too short a trend
(b) there is no warming
(c) that some completely unrelated time in the past was warm so AGW doesn't matter for some reason
(d) warming is happening but it is not caused by man

They flip-flop from thread to threat so it is hard to keep track.

How about a thread when people with a skepticism normally REQUIRED in scientists claim that localized weather events are not the same thing as climate, like warmer alarmists claim every single time there is a cold weather event? Does that work for you?


Warmer alarmists?

[blog.chron.com image 590x356]



Or are you saying that isolated weather events ARE the same thing as climate?
 
2013-01-18 02:54:04 AM  
HighZoolander:
How about a thread where a self-proclaimed 'skeptic' uses the difference between local and global averages to scream FRAUDULENT DATA MANIPULATION because he's a dumbass. And a liar.

This is SO unfair... You are using up WAY more than your share of ignorance. Let me try to spell it out for you in short words...

Every time there is a cold weather event, ignorant Fark scienticians (people lots smarter than YOU) come out in force and make the thread probably a double-digit percentage of posts pointing out "weather =/= climate." But, with a warm weather event, none of that is mentioned -- at least by the scienticians. Did you get it this time?
 
2013-01-18 02:56:26 AM  

DesertDemonWY: chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.

slightly downward perhaps?

[www.redorbit.com image 617x238]


GeneralJim: chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.
Yeah, I know what you mean...

[earthintime.com image 506x286]


Do these two graphs not line up because they're from different oil companies, or...?
(Yes I'm aware of the different axes)
 
2013-01-18 03:06:00 AM  

GeneralJim: ignorant Fark scienticians


There are ignoramuses on both sides of all internet arguments. You thinking that parity means something to your point is foolish.

In the real world, global climate change is, bear with me here, not up for debate between actual scientists and farking internet commenters.

"But, muh free speech!" You proclaim.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that  'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'"-Issac Asimov

It is a persistent weakness of science that its members are terrible at making people understand their conclusions, or why what they do is important, when it doesn't make anybody any money. It doesn't mean they aren't right.

img.gawkerassets.com

/By the way, it's more than 90%
 
2013-01-18 07:31:03 AM  

DesertDemonWY: chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.

slightly downward perhaps?

[www.redorbit.com image 617x238]


Get back to us with a graph that doesn't tell us the Earth's average temperature has been hovering around 0 degrees C. I assume they, whoever they are, actually wanted temperature anomaly but are just shiatty at labeling their graphs and using a sensible scale. Also, tell me why that temperature reconstruction differs from a dozen others that show the "hockey stick"?
 
2013-01-18 08:43:56 AM  

GeneralJim: Every time there is a cold weather event, ignorant Fark scienticians (people lots smarter than YOU) come out in force and make the thread probably a double-digit percentage of posts pointing out "weather =/= climate." But, with a warm weather event, none of that is mentioned -- at least by the scienticians. Did you get it this time?


This is a blatant lie (surprise, surprise). I will personally post a correction to anyone who is equating a weather event with climate - warmer or colder. And I am very far from the only person.

And I would say it is 50:50 as to which way it goes.

/have you ever posted anything that wasn't a lie??
 
2013-01-18 10:11:25 AM  

chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.



Because boy, would that be a simplistic, dishonest, and trolly argument.


You keep posting tbat graph since 1973 which was a local minimum. You are as bad as a denier.
 
2013-01-18 10:59:49 AM  

Baryogenesis: Get back to us with a graph that doesn't tell us the Earth's average temperature has been hovering around 0 degrees C. I assume they, whoever they are, actually wanted temperature anomaly but are just shiatty at labeling their graphs and using a sensible scale. Also, tell me why that temperature reconstruction differs from a dozen others that show the "hockey stick"?



You mean the hockey stick graph that was based on 5 tree ring samples in Yamal? That's been debunked more times than a Marine barracks at Reveille
 
2013-01-18 11:23:16 AM  

MyRandomName: chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.

Because boy, would that be a simplistic, dishonest, and trolly argument.

You keep posting tbat graph since 1973 which was a local minimum. You are as bad as a denier.


Please point to the massive dip in 1973.

www.ncdc.noaa.gov
I mean, unless you're lying.
 
2013-01-18 11:31:26 AM  

Reverend J: DesertDemonWY: chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.

[jonova.s3.amazonaws.com image 850x551]

Chinese Science Bulletin? These a journal with an astounding track record....


Don't worry. I'm sure DesertDemonWY has a reason for citing a journal that is run by the State Council of the People's Republic of China, and doesn't agree with dozens of reconstructions of temperature from other journals. I'm sure he has a regular subscription to CSB and reads it cover to cover, because it's the most accurate scientific publication imaginable. It's also how he knows that the skies over Beijing are so clear that you can see the unicorns flying overhead.

www.pnas.org

Courtesy of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. I wonder why it doesn't agree?
 
2013-01-18 11:43:06 AM  

DesertDemonWY: Baryogenesis: Get back to us with a graph that doesn't tell us the Earth's average temperature has been hovering around 0 degrees C. I assume they, whoever they are, actually wanted temperature anomaly but are just shiatty at labeling their graphs and using a sensible scale. Also, tell me why that temperature reconstruction differs from a dozen others that show the "hockey stick"?


You mean the hockey stick graph that was based on 5 tree ring samples in Yamal? That's been debunked more times than a Marine barracks at Reveille


Wow, 'debunked' by those Nobel prize winners at the NRO? That's some super serious scienticianing. You should probably read the thread you linked to for clarification....

Also, you do realize that 'dozen' is more than one, right?
 
2013-01-18 12:02:39 PM  
If we ever discover a way to turn cognitive dissonance into a Sterling machine, we'll have clean power for everybody. And possibly an explanation for the plot holes in The Matrix. A true miracle. I mean explaining the plot holes in The Matrix. Free energy is more of a low probability event than a miracle.
 
2013-01-18 12:45:46 PM  

DesertDemonWY: Baryogenesis: Get back to us with a graph that doesn't tell us the Earth's average temperature has been hovering around 0 degrees C. I assume they, whoever they are, actually wanted temperature anomaly but are just shiatty at labeling their graphs and using a sensible scale. Also, tell me why that temperature reconstruction differs from a dozen others that show the "hockey stick"?


You mean the hockey stick graph that was based on 5 tree ring samples in Yamal? That's been debunked more times than a Marine barracks at Reveille



Be careful that multi-proxy reconstructions are based on more than just one record. Such reconstructions (such as the one from Mann et al. 2008 that was posted) are "based on 5 tree ring samples in Yamal" in the same way that, say, the recent presidential election was based on the votes of the people in Topeka, Kansas. You're leaving out some important details there.

That aside, there are two other things that should be made clear. First, note that there are multiple reconstructions by different authors plotted on that graph, with fairly good agreement between them. This suggests that the results are somewhat robust - any such "debunking" (even if you had backed it up in some way) would have to overcome this.

Second, if your concern is about the validity of dendro-based proxies, we can actually see what sort of effect they have. From Mann et al. 2008 again:

i48.tinypic.com
Some differences there, but not all that much, and most likely not enough to call into question the validity of the reconstruction.
 
2013-01-18 12:59:49 PM  

GeneralJim: HighZoolander: How about a thread where a self-proclaimed 'skeptic' uses the difference between local and global averages to scream FRAUDULENT DATA MANIPULATION because he's a dumbass. And a liar.
This is SO unfair... You are using up WAY more than your share of ignorance. Let me try to spell it out for you in short words...

Every time there is a cold weather event, ignorant Fark scienticians (people lots smarter than YOU) come out in force and make the thread probably a double-digit percentage of posts pointing out "weather =/= climate." But, with a warm weather event, none of that is mentioned -- at least by the scienticians. Did you get it this time?



Your concerns are valid, but there's two important things you need to keep in mind:

First and most importantly, TFA isn't making the case for the existence of a warming trend or trying to quantify its rate, something where the idea of "weather =/= climate" would come up. Although you're still somewhat hung up on the very existence of anthropogenic climate change, this isn't the case in the scientific literature. Much research, such as the one talked about in TFA, is instead looking at its effects.

Second, it's somewhat misguided to expect people to exclaim that "weather =/= climate" when such a conflation isn't being made, neither in the thread nor in TFA. I'm hoping that we're beyond such simple mistakes.

Again, your concern is valid, but somewhat misguided in this case.
 
2013-01-18 04:50:09 PM  

chimp_ninja: Reverend J: DesertDemonWY: chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.

[jonova.s3.amazonaws.com image 850x551]

Chinese Science Bulletin? These a journal with an astounding track record....

Don't worry. I'm sure DesertDemonWY has a reason for citing a journal that is run by the State Council of the People's Republic of China, and doesn't agree with dozens of reconstructions of temperature from other journals. I'm sure he has a regular subscription to CSB and reads it cover to cover, because it's the most accurate scientific publication imaginable. It's also how he knows that the skies over Beijing are so clear that you can see the unicorns flying overhead.

[www.pnas.org image 850x883]

Courtesy of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. I wonder why it doesn't agree?


It's obvious, right?

Scientific paper from the Chinese government or the NRO: SOLID GOLD
Scientific paper from the American government or independent scientific institution: LIES AND SLANDER
 
2013-01-18 07:27:10 PM  

Baryogenesis: chimp_ninja: Reverend J: DesertDemonWY: chimp_ninja: I hope no one comes along who picks short, unusual time intervals where they can draw a trend line that is roughly flat.

[jonova.s3.amazonaws.com image 850x551]

Chinese Science Bulletin? These a journal with an astounding track record....

Don't worry. I'm sure DesertDemonWY has a reason for citing a journal that is run by the State Council of the People's Republic of China, and doesn't agree with dozens of reconstructions of temperature from other journals. I'm sure he has a regular subscription to CSB and reads it cover to cover, because it's the most accurate scientific publication imaginable. It's also how he knows that the skies over Beijing are so clear that you can see the unicorns flying overhead.

[www.pnas.org image 850x883]

Courtesy of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. I wonder why it doesn't agree?

It's obvious, right?

Scientific paper from the Chinese government or the NRO: SOLID GOLD
Scientific paper from the American government or independent scientific institution: LIES AND SLANDER



To be fair, we shouldn't probably outright dismiss the paper because of its source.

We should, however, note that the difference is most likely due to the fact that the data the graph is based on is tree-ring data from only the central-eastern Tibetan Plateau. Then we can point out that DesertDemonWY attempted to respond to chimp_ninja's comment against temporal cherry-picking with spatial cherry-picking.

Then we can appreciate the irony for a moment or point and laugh or feel sorry for the state of science education in this country is or whatever your preference is.
 
2013-01-18 07:44:40 PM  
kingoomieiii:
Do these two graphs not line up because they're from different oil companies, or...?
(Yes I'm aware of the different axes)

Nope. They are the same -- the one I put up goes back further, is all. We are cooling off, headed to another major glaciation. When one of the BIG cycles is 1600 years long, it's pointless to look at 150 years to find a long-term trend... about as dumb as looking at the last 15 years.
 
2013-01-18 07:55:47 PM  

GeneralJim: kingoomieiii: Do these two graphs not line up because they're from different oil companies, or...?
(Yes I'm aware of the different axes)
Nope. They are the same -- the one I put up goes back further, is all. We are cooling off, headed to another major glaciation. When one of the BIG cycles is 1600 years long, it's pointless to look at 150 years to find a long-term trend... about as dumb as looking at the last 15 years.



But what if we're interested in a medium-term trend? Something that, say, happens over the course of a few centuries instead of a few years or a few millennia?
 
2013-01-18 08:33:37 PM  
kingoomieiii:
In the real world, global climate change is, bear with me here, not up for debate between actual scientists and farking internet commenters.

So there's no room for ignorami such as, for example, patent clerks, to have any say at all? They should shut their whore mouths?

www.redorbit.com
Vat a putz, that kingoomieiii!


It doesn't matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn't matter how smart you are. If it doesn't agree with experiment, it's wrong.
- Richard P. Feynman



The currently used climate models are being proved wrong by the planet, as we speak. They are wrong.
 
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