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2013-01-17 03:11:37 PM
We should hand this one over to the hipsters.
 
2013-01-17 03:23:24 PM
Truthers annoy me even more than birthers.
 
2013-01-17 03:24:53 PM
"25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knew about 9/11 in advance"

This is established FACT.The whens, the wheres and the hows don't mean squat because incompetence has exactly the same outcome as malevolence.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-17 03:25:11 PM
We're through the looking glass here people.
 
2013-01-17 03:26:34 PM
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
 
2013-01-17 03:28:01 PM
Does it make me a truther if I believe that they let it happen? Based upon all the evidence, they had a good idea something like that MIGHT happen, they probably knew about those specific terrorists, and they conveniently had a military training exercise scheduled for that day.

No bombs, no black ops guys planting c4 or thermite, no massive coverup, just a handful of unscrupulous neocons in the executive branch allowing a reichstag to occur so they could implement their PNAC ambitions.

Isn't that kinda what *ACTUALLY* happened? Or am I off base here...?
 
2013-01-17 03:29:06 PM
I got blocked by 2 people on facebook yesterday because I pointed and laughed at their dumbass Sandyhook Truther posts. For you younger farkers out there-- your normal, cool high school mates turn into complete blithering idiots at about age 35.
 
2013-01-17 03:32:04 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: "25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knew about 9/11 in advance"

This is established FACT.The whens, the wheres and the hows don't mean squat because incompetence has exactly the same outcome as malevolence.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 460x589]


Yea, but that was a heroic black republican, she deserves a promotion.
 
2013-01-17 03:34:24 PM
The government knew about 9/11 just as I know that San Francisco is going to be rocked by a major quake. I really can't see myself blaming them for "letting it happen." I do, however, believe that there were quite a few saw nothing more than an opportunity to capitalize on it and push agendas and policies that they would not have otherwise been able to.
 
2013-01-17 03:34:45 PM
I heard that Fark's servers are housed in Alaska in the same room as HAARP's servers. The story about them being in Lexington, KY is just a ruse to keep everyone in the dark about the clandestine tracking that Fark does.

If you think...###carrier lost###
 
2013-01-17 03:35:24 PM

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Does it make me a truther if I believe that they let it happen? Based upon all the evidence, they had a good idea something like that MIGHT happen, they probably knew about those specific terrorists, and they conveniently had a military training exercise scheduled for that day.


No, but I think you give far, far too much credit to the competence of the Bush administration.

Remember, the Bush administration was apparently unaware for several days that there were thousands of evacuees in the Superdome after hurricane Katrina, despite the fact that stories about those evacuees were being played on most major news networks.

If they can't even bother to turn on the television and watch the news after a natural disaster, what makes you think they're going to take positive actions based on a non-specific threat warning?
 
2013-01-17 03:37:23 PM

ampoliros: The government knew about 9/11 just as I know that San Francisco is going to be rocked by a major quake. I really can't see myself blaming them for "letting it happen." I do, however, believe that there were quite a few saw nothing more than an opportunity to capitalize on it and push agendas and policies that they would not have otherwise been able to.


I think its slightly worse, in that they recognized they needed something like this to happen and created a scenario where it was inevitable. What they did afterward was particularly reprehensible, and there doesn't need to be any conspiracy to see that they lied to go to war, and used all kinds of jingoistic bullshiat to erode our rights and reputation around the world...
 
2013-01-17 03:39:36 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: "25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knew about 9/11 in advance"

This is established FACT.The whens, the wheres and the hows don't mean squat because incompetence has exactly the same outcome as malevolence.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 460x589]


I accidentally hit someone with my car as they crossed against the light.
I drove up on the curb and ran someone down because he gave me the stink eye.

outcome is the same, ergo the circumstances don't matter.
 
2013-01-17 03:40:56 PM
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
 
2013-01-17 03:46:43 PM
There's no such thing as a 'conspiracy theory'. There are just theories. They stand or fall according to the evidence, no matter how outlandish they may sound.
 
2013-01-17 03:46:58 PM

The Larch: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Does it make me a truther if I believe that they let it happen? Based upon all the evidence, they had a good idea something like that MIGHT happen, they probably knew about those specific terrorists, and they conveniently had a military training exercise scheduled for that day.

No, but I think you give far, far too much credit to the competence of the Bush administration.

Remember, the Bush administration was apparently unaware for several days that there were thousands of evacuees in the Superdome after hurricane Katrina, despite the fact that stories about those evacuees were being played on most major news networks.

If they can't even bother to turn on the television and watch the news after a natural disaster, what makes you think they're going to take positive actions based on a non-specific threat warning?


I don't think there were bombs or a massive conspiracy, but if you look at currently available evidence, SOMETHING about it is fishy: The 9/11 advance knowledge debate, including at least 13 people that conducted insider trading in advance of the attacks

The NORAD exercise the day of the attacks involved an aircraft crashing into Government facilities
 
2013-01-17 03:47:38 PM
This survey is just an Illuminati plot to raise doubts about surveys.
 
2013-01-17 03:48:18 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: And some conspiracy made me repeatedly post the quote. (ModMins are in your computer, f'ing up your posts)


Dude, how are you posting from tomorrow? I BELIEVE!!1!
 
2013-01-17 03:48:43 PM

dugitman: I got blocked by 2 people on facebook yesterday because I pointed and laughed at their dumbass Sandyhook Truther posts. For you younger farkers out there-- your normal, cool high school mates turn into complete blithering idiots at about age 35.


Its something in the water here. Im in southern indiana and two locals tried to convince me that it could have been government mind control or a black ops to take our guns.
 
2013-01-17 03:49:26 PM

skullkrusher: I accidentally hit someone with my car as they crossed against the light.
I drove up on the curb and ran someone down because he gave me the stink eye.


So which is it? I have the safety on for my outrage, but my trigger finger is awful itchy.
 
2013-01-17 03:49:52 PM
The four "conspiracy theories" are pretty poorly-worded IMO, and don't do a good job of separating skeptics/cynics/extreme literalists from true nutters...

"President Bush's supporters committed significant voter fraud in order to win Ohio in 2004"
Not a conspiracy theory, historical fact. The word "significant" allows them some BS wiggle room here, though.

"President Obama's supporters committed significant voter fraud in the 2012 election"
Undoubtedly, though again with the "significant"! Without listing a particular state whose voter fraud supposedly put O over the top, it's hard to say how "significant" it was.

"President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks before they happened"
As BPIPAS have pointed out, this verges on historical fact as well.

"President Obama is hiding important information about his background and early life."
Well of course he is. I don't know when he got his first pimple, do you? This is the lamest of them all, because it's well-known exactly what the birthers (don't) believe, no need to be vague about it.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-17 03:49:59 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: "25 percent who think that the government knew about 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knew about 9/11 in advance"

This is established FACT.The whens, the wheres and the hows don't mean squat because incompetence has exactly the same outcome as malevolence.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 460x589]


I think they mean knew in detail, as in had access to the planning.  Knowing that Bin Laden wanted to fark us up if he got the chance isn't quite the same thing.
 
2013-01-17 03:50:20 PM

Nadie_AZ: skullkrusher: I accidentally hit someone with my car as they crossed against the light.
I drove up on the curb and ran someone down because he gave me the stink eye.

So which is it? I have the safety on for my outrage, but my trigger finger is awful itchy.


doesn't matter, end result is the same
 
2013-01-17 03:53:43 PM

skullkrusher: Because People in power are Stupid: "25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knew about 9/11 in advance"

This is established FACT.The whens, the wheres and the hows don't mean squat because incompetence has exactly the same outcome as malevolence.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 460x589]

I accidentally hit someone with my car as they crossed against the light.
I drove up on the curb and ran someone down because he gave me the stink eye.

outcome is the same, ergo the circumstances don't matter.


In those cases you just confessed to two crimes. We know the details.

But we don't know the details of the Bush administration. Indeed, we may never know.
 
2013-01-17 03:54:34 PM

vpb: Because People in power are Stupid: "25 percent who think that the government knew about 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knew about 9/11 in advance"

This is established FACT.The whens, the wheres and the hows don't mean squat because incompetence has exactly the same outcome as malevolence.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 460x589]

I think they mean knew in detail, as in had access to the planning.  Knowing that Bin Laden wanted to fark us up if he got the chance isn't quite the same thing.


My belief is that they knew the attack was coming, but did not expect the scale of the attack.

/they probably expected another small boom like WTC '93 or the Cole
 
2013-01-17 03:54:50 PM
Check that, there were 3 NORAD exercises that day, all involving planes. It was a National Reconnaissance Office drill that was to simulate a plane crashing into their office on 9/11. THAT sure as hell seems like a hell of a coinkydink.

According to its spokesman Art Haubold: "No actual plane was to be involved -- to simulate the damage from the crash, some stairwells and exits were to be closed off, forcing employees to find other ways to evacuate the building." He further explained: "It was just an incredible coincidence that this happened to involve an aircraft crashing into our facility, as soon as the real world events began, we canceled the exercise."

Like I said, it doesn't take a massive conspiracy to take advantage of four different confused defense exercises and incompetent airport personnel to let something like the 9/11 attacks happen. Thats why I don't think its unreasonable to say that both before and after 9/11/01, some ridiculously unscrupulous neocons took advantage of our country. I think its highly unlikely they used a massive network of black ops folks to perpetrate a controlled demolition, as someone would have come out about it by now, seeing as they came out about almost everything else and wrote tell-all books about the incompetence and malevolence of that shiatty, shiatty administration.

But the administration DEFINITELY took advantage of the disaster afterwards, and by the agreed upon evidence, someone seems to have set things up so that it could happen, and certain individuals could profit. There's evidence that certain individuals DID try to profit prior to the attacks, and there's no question that the neocons DID profit explicitly afterwards with their new no-bid contract policy.

I guess that IS a conspiracy theory to some degree, but I don't think it requires a huge leap of logic, or even re-interpretation of events. Its just what seems to have happened... and it sucks.
 
2013-01-17 03:55:39 PM

skullkrusher: Nadie_AZ: skullkrusher: I accidentally hit someone with my car as they crossed against the light.
I drove up on the curb and ran someone down because he gave me the stink eye.

So which is it? I have the safety on for my outrage, but my trigger finger is awful itchy.

doesn't matter, end result is the same


Insurance only paid for half? Bastards.
 
2013-01-17 03:56:39 PM
Gulf of Tonkin
The Lusitania
The USS Maine

Remember the good old days when these were conspiracy theories and not proven instances of government/media disinformation and intentional warmongering?
 
2013-01-17 04:00:44 PM

Laocoon: Because People in power are Stupid: And some conspiracy made me repeatedly post the quote. (ModMins are in your computer, f'ing up your posts)

Dude, how are you posting from tomorrow? I BELIEVE!!1!


No matter how hard the ModMins play with me. I will never send them my BIE.

(Yes, I have man-boobs or moobs; deal with it.)
 
2013-01-17 04:04:22 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: skullkrusher: Because People in power are Stupid: "25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knew about 9/11 in advance"

This is established FACT.The whens, the wheres and the hows don't mean squat because incompetence has exactly the same outcome as malevolence.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 460x589]

I accidentally hit someone with my car as they crossed against the light.
I drove up on the curb and ran someone down because he gave me the stink eye.

outcome is the same, ergo the circumstances don't matter.

In those cases you just confessed to two crimes. We know the details.

But we don't know the details of the Bush administration. Indeed, we may never know.


but it does matter and that's the point
 
2013-01-17 04:04:50 PM
What's sadder than you conspiracy shiattards are the people who will rush to this thread to defend you.
 
2013-01-17 04:05:59 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Laocoon: Because People in power are Stupid: And some conspiracy made me repeatedly post the quote. (ModMins are in your computer, f'ing up your posts)

Dude, how are you posting from tomorrow? I BELIEVE!!1!

No matter how hard the ModMins play with me. I will never send them my BIE.

(Yes, I have man-boobs or moobs; deal with it.)


A fat conspiracy theorist? Well, I never.
 
2013-01-17 04:06:35 PM
I guess nobody in this thread can keep a secret.
 
2013-01-17 04:09:25 PM

BSABSVR: What's sadder than you conspiracy shiattards are the people who will rush to this thread to defend you.


Is that really what's sad, or is it the fact that you are on the Internet insulting people who you don't know and haven't met?
 
2013-01-17 04:09:40 PM

buck1138: Gulf of Tonkin
The Lusitania
The USS Maine

Remember the good old days when these were conspiracy theories and not proven instances of government/media disinformation and intentional warmongering?


Cuban Missile Crisis:
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/01/the-real-cuban-m is sile-crisis/309190/?single_page=true

Fast Thick Pants: The four "conspiracy theories" are pretty poorly-worded IMO, and don't do a good job of separating skeptics/cynics/extreme literalists from true nutters...

"President Bush's supporters committed significant voter fraud in order to win Ohio in 2004"
Not a conspiracy theory, historical fact. The word "significant" allows them some BS wiggle room here, though.


Regardless of your definition of "significant," the charge that Kerry would have won Ohio without GOP machinations is false, as in not a historical fact. Yeah, RFK Jr. did something for Rolling Stone, but other news media looked at the allegations and determined they were false. And -- more to the point -- every county's elections are supervised by a board consisting of two Republicans and two Democrats. Unless you've got evidence the Democratic members in those counties were all secret GOP agents or Homer Simpsons calling it "historical fact" is ridiculous. The Ohio Democratic Party never challenged the results; why do people sitting at their computers think they know better?
 
2013-01-17 04:13:15 PM

cryptozoophiliac: BSABSVR: What's sadder than you conspiracy shiattards are the people who will rush to this thread to defend you.

Is that really what's sad, or is it the fact that you are on the Internet insulting people who you don't know and haven't met?


that's exactly that a cryptozoophiliac WOULD say ;)
 
2013-01-17 04:13:25 PM

skullkrusher: but it does matter and that's the point


It is existential. Some things are unexplained and in fact are unexplainable. What we do know are the results.

Results matter more than intention otherwise the ends will always justify the means.

If you have some special "Bush administration intention proving" machine then have at it. If you are privy to the files that Cheney burned in his office -do share. But in the absence of evidence -there is simply no evidence and is beating a dead horse.
 
2013-01-17 04:14:04 PM
Jurors all over the country are willing to believe that people conspired to sell drugs or steal a few hundred dollars but mention the 5 dancing Israelis who cheered as the twin towers fell and you're just a whackjob.
 
2013-01-17 04:20:46 PM
Conspiracy theories are fun to dream up, but there's a healthy way to do that, and it involves reminding yourself at the end of the day that they're not real. When you start to believe your own hype, you're in too deep.
 
2013-01-17 04:26:47 PM

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: ampoliros: The government knew about 9/11 just as I know that San Francisco is going to be rocked by a major quake. I really can't see myself blaming them for "letting it happen." I do, however, believe that there were quite a few saw nothing more than an opportunity to capitalize on it and push agendas and policies that they would not have otherwise been able to.

I think its slightly worse, in that they recognized they needed something like this to happen and created a scenario where it was inevitable. What they did afterward was particularly reprehensible, and there doesn't need to be any conspiracy to see that they lied to go to war, and used all kinds of jingoistic bullshiat to erode our rights and reputation around the world...


Personally I think there is far too much obviously immoral and evil stuff they did openly to bother speculating whether they did anything shadowy behind the scenes to either help it along or let it happen - fabricating evidence to start a war, torture, extraordinary rendition, locking up people for a decade without a trial based on the say so of some rival tribe member, systematic torture, deliberately stopping any pre-planning for the occupation and rebuilding of Iraq during the military build up before the invasion, etc.
 
2013-01-17 04:27:50 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: I guess nobody in this thread can keep a secret.


G. Gordon Liddy said this is exactly why big conspiracies can't happen.

But as G. Gordon Liddy once told me, the problem with government conspiracies is that bureaucrats are incompetent and people can't keep their mouths shut. Liddy should know, as he was an aide to President Nixon and one of the masterminds behind the break-in of the Democratic National Committee offices at the Watergate Hotel. Complex conspiracies are difficult to pull off - in this case even something as simple as a hotel burglary was foiled by a security guard, and under the pressure of congressional hearings and journalistic investigations many of the conspiracists cracked and talked. So many people want their quarter hour of fame that even the men in black couldn't squelch the squealers from spilling the beans. Once again, there's a good chance that the more elaborate a conspiracy theory is, and the more people that would need to be involved to pull it off , the less likely it is true.

http://www.commandposts.com/2011/07/how-conspiracies-actually-work/
 
2013-01-17 04:31:52 PM

The Larch: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Does it make me a truther if I believe that they let it happen? Based upon all the evidence, they had a good idea something like that MIGHT happen, they probably knew about those specific terrorists, and they conveniently had a military training exercise scheduled for that day.

No, but I think you give far, far too much credit to the competence of the Bush administration.


Eh, they were looking for an excuse to go back to Iraq, and an attack by someone from the Middle East fit their agenda perfectly. Meanwhile, Katrina didn't fit any narrative they had, so they were blindsided.
 
2013-01-17 04:38:05 PM

cryptozoophiliac: BSABSVR: What's sadder than you conspiracy shiattards are the people who will rush to this thread to defend you.

Is that really what's sad, or is it the fact that you are on the Internet insulting people who you don't know and haven't met?


Well, so long as we are delving into levels of sadness, What's really sad is that worthless turds like you feel the need to fantasize that you have special knowledge that the rest of the world doesn't have, in order to fulfill your sad, empty existence. THAT'S so sad you should farking kill yourself. EIP if you want help, fark stick. The world is way better off without you in it. And yet you feel you not only have things to add, but that your additions are so amazing that most people can't even comprehend your importance

That, in the end, is peak sadness.

/also die
 
2013-01-17 04:39:52 PM
BSABSVR:

A fat conspiracy theorist? Well, I never.

There is nothing indicative of a conspiracy theorist that makes them fat. Indeed, I don't consider myself fat or a conspiracy theorist. I simply spend a lot of time on the internet. There is a picture of me that has been going around that some people post as their "typical" fark user. shiat I even have my own meme. But it doesn't mean I'm cheap. Sorry modmins no BIE.
 
2013-01-17 04:46:53 PM

Speaker2Animals: Regardless of your definition of "significant," the charge that Kerry would have won Ohio without GOP machinations is false, as in not a historical fact.


Fraud occurred, historical fact. Is it "significant" because Ohio was so important in 2004? Or would it only be "significant" if the cases of provable fraud were enough to change the outcome? A bit of a B.S. question, telegraphed by the dumb use of the word "significant" in the original poll. Regardless, it's a lot juicier a conspiracy than Obama's version for 2012, for which they don't even name a particular state, just sort of lamely hinting at some sort of all-powerful zombie-ACORN gang.

Alls I'm saying is, 1) I can answer "yes, there was fraud" to both of them, 2) I don't think refusing to call it a conspiracy theory means that the fraud was not "significant", which is what I feel like the poll question is getting at.
 
2013-01-17 04:50:02 PM

Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Does it make me a truther if I believe that they let it happen? Based upon all the evidence, they had a good idea something like that MIGHT happen, they probably knew about those specific terrorists, and they conveniently had a military training exercise scheduled for that day.

No bombs, no black ops guys planting c4 or thermite, no massive coverup, just a handful of unscrupulous neocons in the executive branch allowing a reichstag to occur so they could implement their PNAC ambitions.

Isn't that kinda what *ACTUALLY* happened? Or am I off base here...?


Never attribute malice to that which can more easily be attributed to incompetence.
 
2013-01-17 04:58:00 PM

make me some tea: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Does it make me a truther if I believe that they let it happen? Based upon all the evidence, they had a good idea something like that MIGHT happen, they probably knew about those specific terrorists, and they conveniently had a military training exercise scheduled for that day.

No bombs, no black ops guys planting c4 or thermite, no massive coverup, just a handful of unscrupulous neocons in the executive branch allowing a reichstag to occur so they could implement their PNAC ambitions.

Isn't that kinda what *ACTUALLY* happened? Or am I off base here...?

Never attribute malice to that which can more easily be attributed to incompetence.


Cheney and Rumsfeld are many things; incompetent isn't one of them.
 
2013-01-17 05:00:50 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: "25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knewabout 9/11 in advance25 percent who think that the government knew about 9/11 in advance"

This is established FACT.The whens, the wheres and the hows don't mean squat because incompetence has exactly the same outcome as malevolence.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 460x589]


Oh, yeah, a memo about a desire of an organization that does nothing but conduct terrorist attacks against the US wanting to conduct a terrorist attack against the US "sometime after 2007" with "in Washington" being the only specific site target proposed. Oh, and "they might want to use airplanes but it's uncorroborated".

That's very useful for stopping an attack occurring on a specific day four years later in New York, which, and I may be wrong on my geography but I don't think I am, is a different city entirely than the only specific cited location. I'm totally convinced that they totally should have pulled this one out of the sack of 31415927 identical memos they got per day proposing everything from anthrax attacks on Guam to suitcase nuking the San Diego Zoo. It just really stands out in the specificity and thorough confirmation of the intelligence involved. Totally.

//Seriously, though, with 11 damned years to go through the paperwork I could find better evidence that I masterminded the attacks and am secretly bin Laden and also the ghost of Mussolini. Over a decade and that's all you've got, for a claim that's stupid on its face to begin with? What the hell's wrong with you? At least the moon landing conspiracy guys put some work into being worthless fakers, this is grade-school shiat.
 
2013-01-17 05:07:57 PM

Fast Thick Pants: Speaker2Animals: Regardless of your definition of "significant," the charge that Kerry would have won Ohio without GOP machinations is false, as in not a historical fact.

Fraud occurred, historical fact. Is it "significant" because Ohio was so important in 2004? Or would it only be "significant" if the cases of provable fraud were enough to change the outcome? A bit of a B.S. question, telegraphed by the dumb use of the word "significant" in the original poll. Regardless, it's a lot juicier a conspiracy than Obama's version for 2012, for which they don't even name a particular state, just sort of lamely hinting at some sort of all-powerful zombie-ACORN gang.

Alls I'm saying is, 1) I can answer "yes, there was fraud" to both of them, 2) I don't think refusing to call it a conspiracy theory means that the fraud was not "significant", which is what I feel like the poll question is getting at.


Which is disingenuous. Fraud, to a greater or lesser degree, has occurred in every election this country has ever had.
 
2013-01-17 05:09:09 PM

make me some tea: Ayn Rand's Social Worker: Does it make me a truther if I believe that they let it happen? Based upon all the evidence, they had a good idea something like that MIGHT happen, they probably knew about those specific terrorists, and they conveniently had a military training exercise scheduled for that day.

No bombs, no black ops guys planting c4 or thermite, no massive coverup, just a handful of unscrupulous neocons in the executive branch allowing a reichstag to occur so they could implement their PNAC ambitions.

Isn't that kinda what *ACTUALLY* happened? Or am I off base here...?

Never attribute malice to that which can more easily be attributed to incompetence.


But these scumbags WERE malicious, as xria so eloquently explained. I'm saying they maliciously BANKED on the incompetence of those under them, then clearly, unequivocally advanced their asshole agenda afterwards. Its appears based on the evidence (and I'm not talking internet video analysis or 'day-of' verbal accounts, but well investigated, independently accounted for evidence) that at least some people knew enough beforehand to invest and change travel plans accordingly, and super conveniently there were almost a half dozen aeronautical war games going on that day.

Without having to construct a whole alternate explanation, you just say "someone in the administration expected this to happen, and let it happen". It happened, despite the fact that FBI informants were rooming with some of the hijackers, and there were MANY well documented advanced warnings. You can say it happened because mistakes were made, I just say someone let it happen, banking on those mistakes being made so they could advance their agenda. Not a huge leap, and very well in line with the evidence of shady ass activity before and after the tragedy...
 
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