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2013-01-17 12:40:49 PM  
Hilarious. Republicans standing on a frozen pond, trying to figure out why the ice is melting.
 
2013-01-17 12:43:25 PM  
FTA: She also argued that rising energy costs, not contraception, was a big women's issue in 2012 and that Republicans had missed an opportunity in not connecting with women over rising energy costs, even though energy was one plank of presidential nominee Mitt Romney's five-point plan he touted on the trail this fall.

When prodded by audience questions, the panelists said that contraception was a non-issue. As Hemingway put it, contraception was thought up by Democrats who found it tested well in focus groups despite being a completely settled issue. Her response was to urge Republicans to respond with their own accusations that are "just as crazy," something like, "they're stealing your hot dogs!"


Are they farking idiots? Really?
 
2013-01-17 12:54:08 PM  

mahuika: Are they farking idiots? Really?


FTA: They cheered the fact that Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) is part of the Republican House leadership and urged Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to "glue" her to him because the optics of having a visible woman in the GOP are important.

Not "idiots" necessarily, just incredibly not-self aware.

// you give a Republican a mirror, he sees a RINO
 
2013-01-17 01:09:35 PM  

mahuika: . As Hemingway put it, contraception was thought up by Democrats who found it tested well in focus groups despite being a completely settled issue.


Well..it WAS a completely settled issue, until you people trotted out a panel of men to testify about hormonal birth control, and then called any woman using it a slut who had "so much sex" she needed extra.
 
2013-01-17 01:28:43 PM  

Dr Dreidel: mahuika: Are they farking idiots? Really?

FTA: They cheered the fact that Rep. Cathy McMorris Rodgers (R-WA) is part of the Republican House leadership and urged Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) to "glue" her to him because the optics of having a visible woman in the GOP are important.

Not "idiots" necessarily, just incredibly not-self aware.

// you give a Republican a mirror, he sees a RINO


What is a textbook example of a "token?"
 
2013-01-17 01:49:31 PM  
Stupid 19th Amendment.

/am I doin' it right?
 
2013-01-17 01:51:07 PM  

what_now: mahuika: . As Hemingway put it, contraception was thought up by Democrats who found it tested well in focus groups despite being a completely settled issue.

Well..it WAS a completely settled issue, until you people trotted out a panel of men to testify about hormonal birth control, and then called any woman using it a slut who had "so much sex" she needed extra.


I was really surprised to see this whole thing even come up during the campaign. I didn't even know that contraception was a controversial subject for anyone. I mean, safe sex is something that we've been all taught in high school, going back decades at this point.
 
2013-01-17 02:10:39 PM  
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2013-01-17 02:11:07 PM  
"We have some problematic allies," Hoff Sommers said in her opening remarks. "Conservative leaders and funders, they don't take women's issues seriously."

Sabrina Schaeffer, the executive director of IWF and a panelist, complained that Republican indifference to women's issues was a problem she runs into. "I know sometimes when I go into a donor meeting and I see someone's eyes just glazing over, like, 'why would I care about women?'"


THEN WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THEM, YOU STUPID BINTS!???

Paige suggested Republicans create a bumper sticker that reads, "We Like Sex Too." After a moment's pause, this drew a big round of applause and even some supportive hoots from the audience.

Yeah, good luck with getting your overlords... um, I mean husbands, to sign off on that one.
 
2013-01-17 02:21:17 PM  
Though her wording is terrible, and that makes it a little harder to discern what the hell she's talking about, but I think I agree with her in principle.
The "war on women" is absolutely bullshiat propaganda made up by the Democrats.  The Republicans have well articulated reasons for opposing abortion, which have nothing to do with gender, and if you just ignore those and try to cast them as sexists you're only hurting things.  Same deal with contraception, scept for the caveat that there's not sufficient scientific evidence to backup claims that birth control pills cause abortions.  That's not being sexist though, that's just being ignorant.

/ I also think it's weird that the Republicans focus on the religious argument against contraception so much.  They'd get my votes a lot more frequently if they argued against it on the basis that it's not necessary and the government shouldn't be in the business of providing luxuries for free.  But they rarely go down that route if ever.
// It is consistent with their unwillingness to spend any money helping poor children, but that's something they should change too.
 
2013-01-17 02:26:16 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: THEN WHY ARE YOU VOTING FOR THEM, YOU STUPID BINTS!???


I'm guessing those bints are voting for whomever their husband tells them to vote for.
 
2013-01-17 02:33:59 PM  

serial_crusher: The "war on women" is absolutely bullshiat propaganda made up by the Democrats.


Yup.
It was the Democrats who came up with the idea of transvaginal ultrasounds before an abortion.

It was the Democrats who are rape apologists.

It was the Democrats who had a panel of men testify about women's health.

It was the mouthpiece of the Democratic party who said that women who use birth control are all "sluts and whores".

What color is the sky in your world?
 
2013-01-17 02:36:27 PM  

what_now: serial_crusher: The "war on women" is absolutely bullshiat propaganda made up by the Democrats.

Yup.
It was the Democrats who came up with the idea of transvaginal ultrasounds before an abortion.

It was the Democrats who are rape apologists.

It was the Democrats who had a panel of men testify about women's health.

It was the mouthpiece of the Democratic party who said that women who use birth control are all "sluts and whores".

What color is the sky in your world?


I could add about 4 points to that list but I won't bother.
 
2013-01-17 02:38:03 PM  

what_now: serial_crusher: The "war on women" is absolutely bullshiat propaganda made up by the Democrats.

Yup.
It was the Democrats who came up with the idea of transvaginal ultrasounds before an abortion.

It was the Democrats who are rape apologists.

It was the Democrats who had a panel of men testify about women's health.

It was the mouthpiece of the Democratic party who said that women who use birth control are all "sluts and whores".

What color is the sky in your world?


It was Democrats who started calling it a "War on Women". They drew first blood.
 
2013-01-17 02:42:09 PM  
It's worse when they address them.  Ignoring them lets the sane people work to find real solutions.  When the Republicans decide to "help," then shiat gets bad quick.
 
2013-01-17 02:47:20 PM  

Dr Dreidel: what_now: serial_crusher: The "war on women" is absolutely bullshiat propaganda made up by the Democrats.

Yup.
It was the Democrats who came up with the idea of transvaginal ultrasounds before an abortion.

It was the Democrats who are rape apologists.

It was the Democrats who had a panel of men testify about women's health.

It was the mouthpiece of the Democratic party who said that women who use birth control are all "sluts and whores".

What color is the sky in your world?

It was Democrats who started calling it a "War on Women". They drew first blood.


So, naming something is starting something? Does that mean a babby is not a real babby until it's been named?
 
2013-01-17 02:47:23 PM  

what_now: It was the Democrats who are rape apologists.


That's true.  There were certainly a lot of democrat rape apologists out there when Bill Clinton was accused of forcible rape.
 
2013-01-17 02:48:32 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: So, naming something is starting something? Does that mean a babby is not a real babby until it's been named?


I'm giving you the logic potato. You have to make your own fries, chief.
 
2013-01-17 02:50:10 PM  

Dr Dreidel: CapeFearCadaver: So, naming something is starting something? Does that mean a babby is not a real babby until it's been named?

I'm giving you the logic potato. You have to make your own fries, chief.


Can I use some of your oil? I'm out.
 
2013-01-17 02:50:16 PM  
See, that's what I'm talking about.

what_now: It was the Democrats who came up with the idea of transvaginal ultrasounds before an abortion.


That was dumb, but has nothing to do with an agenda against women, and everything to do with an agenda against abortion.

what_now: It was the Democrats who are rape apologists.


Blanket statements, how do they work?

what_now: It was the Democrats who had a panel of men testify about women's health contraception.


Aside from the fact that you've mislabeled contraception as a "women's health issue" in a circular argument, I wish everything worked this way.  People who make less money than me should be considered unqualified to vote on what tax rates should apply to me, for example.

what_now: It was the mouthpiece of the Democratic party who said that women who use birth control are all "sluts and whores".


The comment Rush Limbaugh said in response to Sandra Fluke telling congress why she wants free birth control, right?  Limbaugh's a douchebag so I'm not going out of my way to defend him, but has he ever voiced an opinion on men who use condoms (and has a man ever testified before congress that he should be entitled to free condoms)?  I'd hope Limbaugh would be consistent in that department, but like I said he's a douchebag.
 
2013-01-17 02:56:01 PM  
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The only women's issues we need to worry about is whether they need to set the oven timer to 400 degrees or 425! Ayy! amiright?
 
2013-01-17 02:58:45 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Dr Dreidel: CapeFearCadaver: So, naming something is starting something? Does that mean a babby is not a real babby until it's been named?

I'm giving you the logic potato. You have to make your own fries, chief.

Can I use some of your oil? I'm out.


Oh, so you just ASSUME the guy named "Dreidel" has oil? That he's got "enough" for your needs, too, regardless of the size of his jar? You want I should send it to you in 8 daily installments?

// racist
// also, call your mother - she worries
 
2013-01-17 02:59:17 PM  

vernonFL: whether they need to set the oven timer to 400 degrees or 425


I don't think the knob on my timer turns any farther than 360 degrees
 
2013-01-17 03:04:20 PM  

serial_crusher: See, that's what I'm talking about.

what_now: It was the Democrats who came up with the idea of transvaginal ultrasounds before an abortion.

That was dumb, but has nothing to do with an agenda against women, and everything to do with an agenda against abortion.

what_now: It was the Democrats who are rape apologists.

Blanket statements, how do they work?

what_now: It was the Democrats who had a panel of men testify about women's health contraception.

Aside from the fact that you've mislabeled contraception as a "women's health issue" in a circular argument, I wish everything worked this way.  People who make less money than me should be considered unqualified to vote on what tax rates should apply to me, for example.

what_now: It was the mouthpiece of the Democratic party who said that women who use birth control are all "sluts and whores".

The comment Rush Limbaugh said in response to Sandra Fluke telling congress why she wants free birth control, right?  Limbaugh's a douchebag so I'm not going out of my way to defend him, but has he ever voiced an opinion on men who use condoms (and has a man ever testified before congress that he should be entitled to free condoms)?  I'd hope Limbaugh would be consistent in that department, but like I said he's a douchebag.


I'm on my phone so i cant do a point by point response, but pretend I am anyway.

Transvaginal ultrasounds isn't "dumb" it's borderline rape, since it's coerced action against the will of the patient with no medical benefit. For a woman who has already been raped and had a pregnancy as a result, it's also borderline psychological torture.

I agree that no Conservative apologizes for rape, but they do make numerous factually incorrect and terribly insensitive statements about rape "legitimate" rape, "my daughter's pregnancy out of wedlock is as bad as rape from a father's perspective," etc. And then Conservatives tend to try and apologize for those ridiculous statements.

It was testifying about women's health. Hormonal birth control is used for more than just contraception, or did you miss the whole fact that Sandra Fluke's testimony was about her friend why used birth control for treating ovarian cysts but had to stop because it was too expensive, and had nothing to do with her libido.

While no one has asked for free condoms, Viagra is covered by health insurance, ans that only has one use, while hormonal birth control has uses beyond sex, which actually have health implications for women. To not have it be covered because we don't like sex is hypocritical at best.
 
2013-01-17 03:07:41 PM  

Dr Dreidel: CapeFearCadaver: Dr Dreidel: CapeFearCadaver: So, naming something is starting something? Does that mean a babby is not a real babby until it's been named?

I'm giving you the logic potato. You have to make your own fries, chief.

Can I use some of your oil? I'm out.

Oh, so you just ASSUME the guy named "Dreidel" has oil? That he's got "enough" for your needs, too, regardless of the size of his jar? You want I should send it to you in 8 daily installments?

// racist
// also, call your mother - she worries


Oh. shiat. I just realized. I'm outta salt, too.
 
2013-01-17 03:08:05 PM  

serial_crusher: The "war on women" is absolutely bullshiat propaganda made up by the Democrats.


You mean like how the Republicans made up the "War on Christmas"? Funny, that.
 
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2013-01-17 03:08:59 PM  

serial_crusher: See, that's what I'm talking about.

what_now: It was the Democrats who came up with the idea of transvaginal ultrasounds before an abortion.

That was dumb, but has nothing to do with an agenda against women, and everything to do with an agenda against abortion.

what_now: It was the Democrats who are rape apologists.

Blanket statements, how do they work?

what_now: It was the Democrats who had a panel of men testify about women's health contraception.

Aside from the fact that you've mislabeled contraception as a "women's health issue" in a circular argument, I wish everything worked this way.  People who make less money than me should be considered unqualified to vote on what tax rates should apply to me, for example.

what_now: It was the mouthpiece of the Democratic party who said that women who use birth control are all "sluts and whores".

The comment Rush Limbaugh said in response to Sandra Fluke telling congress why she wants free birth control, right?  Limbaugh's a douchebag so I'm not going out of my way to defend him, but has he ever voiced an opinion on men who use condoms (and has a man ever testified before congress that he should be entitled to free condoms)?  I'd hope Limbaugh would be consistent in that department, but like I said he's a douchebag.


She never demanded "free" anything.  There isn't anything "free" about it, the employee has to pay a share and work for it.
 
2013-01-17 03:10:14 PM  

nmrsnr: Transvaginal ultrasounds isn't "dumb" it's borderline rape


It's not borderline rape, it IS rape.
 
2013-01-17 03:12:04 PM  
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2013-01-17 03:12:25 PM  

serial_crusher: Aside from the fact that you've mislabeled contraception as a "women's health issue" in a circular argument,


Listen, Doctor. Hormonal Birth Control pills are absolutely a women's health issue. Are you really too ill-informed to know this, or are you just trolling?/
 
2013-01-17 03:17:12 PM  
I found the problem: Conservatives.
 
2013-01-17 03:19:16 PM  

make me some tea: nmrsnr: Transvaginal ultrasounds isn't "dumb" it's borderline rape

It's not borderline rape, it IS rape.


Yup. Forcible sexual assault with a foreign object.

It's a felony. But what the hell, some dumb whore wants to kill her baby, she deserves it, MIRIGT Cons??
 
2013-01-17 03:21:28 PM  

nmrsnr: Transvaginal ultrasounds isn't "dumb" it's borderline rape, since it's coerced action against the will of the patient with no medical benefit. For a woman who has already been raped and had a pregnancy as a result, it's also borderline psychological torture.


Nice appeal to emotion there, but doesn't provide any support for the "war on women" theory, just that Republicans are willing to use rape/torture as a weapon in the "war on abortion", if you want to go all hyperbolic about it.

nmrsnr: It was testifying about women's health. Hormonal birth control is used for more than just contraception, or did you miss the whole fact that Sandra Fluke's testimony was about her friend why used birth control for treating ovarian cysts but had to stop because it was too expensive, and had nothing to do with her libido.


That's a bit of a red herring.  It's not "birth control" if you're using it to treat an ovarion cyst.  There's nothing stopping the government from specifying that insurance companies only have to fund a particular medication when it's deemed medically necessary.  The Democrats are the ones who wanted it to be provided unconditonally.

nmrsnr: Viagra is covered by health insurance, ans that only has one use


Is that even true?  Viagra was originally developed for regulating blood pressure, right?
Regardless, the difference is that some companies chose to cover Viagra whereas the Democrats want to force them to cover birth control.  Call it a "war on men" if you will, giving insurance companies the option to refuse Viagra coverage.
And of course from the Republicans' perspective it would be an apples to oranges comparison anyhow.  They like to hinge on the idea that birth control supposedly kills babies, but you'd be hard pressed to make the same the same about Viagra.
 
2013-01-17 03:23:00 PM  

make me some tea: what_now: mahuika: . As Hemingway put it, contraception was thought up by Democrats who found it tested well in focus groups despite being a completely settled issue.

Well..it WAS a completely settled issue, until you people trotted out a panel of men to testify about hormonal birth control, and then called any woman using it a slut who had "so much sex" she needed extra.

I was really surprised to see this whole thing even come up during the campaign. I didn't even know that contraception was a controversial subject for anyone. I mean, safe sex is something that we've been all taught in high school, going back decades at this point.


Surprised? Their *goal* is to set the nation back a bunch of decades.
 
2013-01-17 03:27:10 PM  

make me some tea: nmrsnr: Transvaginal ultrasounds isn't "dumb" it's borderline rape

It's not borderline rape, it IS rape.


I used "borderline" because I'm not sure what the rules regarding sex by extortion are, and didn't want to get sidelined by that discussion. Otherwise I think we essentially agree.
 
2013-01-17 03:28:27 PM  

make me some tea: serial_crusher: The "war on women" is absolutely bullshiat propaganda made up by the Democrats.

You mean like how the Republicans made up the "War on Christmas"? Funny, that.


Basically, yes, except the Democrats are way more successful.
 
2013-01-17 03:30:42 PM  

serial_crusher: The Democrats are the ones who wanted it to be provided unconditonally.


Insurance companies too, but I think they wanted the fig leaf of a government mandate so that busybody fundamentalists wouldn't accuse them of waging a war on their religious demands to force everyone else to conform to their religious demands.

serial_crusher: Viagra was originally developed for regulating blood pressure, right?


As a medicine to combat "angina", not "vagina". My dad, a chemical-patent specialist, used to use Viagra's patent abstract (which contains no mention of the words "penis", "erection" or "sex") to demonstrate his company's patent-searching application.

// apparently, it was only during the testing phase of the drug that they noticed that the men were getting all pointy
// every script written for Viagra for ED/PE was "off-label" until a few years ago, IIRC
 
2013-01-17 03:30:53 PM  

make me some tea: nmrsnr: Transvaginal ultrasounds isn't "dumb" it's borderline rape

It's not borderline rape, it IS rape.


No, it is a medical procedure that is done with consent.  Rape is without consent.  You know, like when Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broadderick.

But what the Hell, she deserved it, MIRIGT Libs??
 
2013-01-17 03:37:44 PM  

serial_crusher: make me some tea: serial_crusher: The "war on women" is absolutely bullshiat propaganda made up by the Democrats.

You mean like how the Republicans made up the "War on Christmas"? Funny, that.

Basically, yes, except the Democrats are way more successful.


Why are they way more successful, do you think?
 
2013-01-17 03:41:10 PM  
skull_crusherNice appeal to emotion there, but doesn't provide any support for the "war on women" theory, just that Republicans are willing to use rape/torture as a weapon in the "war on abortion", if you want to go all hyperbolic about it.

Regardless of perceived hyperbole, it at least shows a complete lack of empathy towards women to put forward such laws. Even were to accept your position that this is wholly about abortion and women are merely incidental collateral damage, the Conservative movement still has shown no empathy, remorse, or even acknowledgment that collateral damage is occurring.

That's a bit of a red herring.  It's not "birth control" if you're using it to treat an ovarion cyst.  There's nothing stopping the government from specifying that insurance companies only have to fund a particular medication when it's deemed medically necessary.  The Democrats are the ones who wanted it to be provided unconditonally.

Actually, insurance companies like birth control, its much cheaper than neonatal care. It's companies run by religious people that want the right to deny their employees insurance coverage for behavior they disagree with. All the government wants is for insurance to cover medication prescribed by a doctor for a patient, without having to ask why the doctor prescribed it.

Is that even true?  Viagra was originally developed for regulating blood pressure, right?

To my knowledge Viagra never got FDA clearance as a medication for anything other than ED. But I could be wrong on that.
 
2013-01-17 03:54:26 PM  
I'm sure.
 
2013-01-17 03:55:45 PM  
FTFA: " .. described a situation in which college-aged women see Republicans as "a bunch of prudish, anti-sex, anti-reproductive freedom people.""


Not true. Well, not completely true. I'm 50, and *I* see the GOP (men and women) as a bunch of prudish, anti-sex, anti-reproductive freedom people.

It ain't just "young women" that hate you. Us over 45 women hate you too. And probably with more venom, 'cause we've had more years to practice.
 
2013-01-17 03:56:38 PM  
Not sure, huh?

As an Iranian, I'm not sure if Neocons care enough about my well-being.

/not really Iranian
 
2013-01-17 03:57:38 PM  

make me some tea: serial_crusher: make me some tea: serial_crusher: The "war on women" is absolutely bullshiat propaganda made up by the Democrats.

You mean like how the Republicans made up the "War on Christmas"? Funny, that.

Basically, yes, except the Democrats are way more successful.

Why are they way more successful, do you think?


Probably has a lot to do with historical reasons.  There's still people alive today who were involved in legitimate civil rights movements during the 20th century, so those causes are naturally going to draw more advocates.  They've run out of reasonable things to complain about, but they still want to keep fighting the good fight.
The war on Christmas on the other hand, only grew as a reaction to those other movements.  It was ridiculous from the very beginning, so that's a harder sell.
 
2013-01-17 04:01:52 PM  
Though the night's criticisms were not without references to failed Missouri Senate candidate Todd Akin and the "stupid" things Republican men said over the past year, there seemed to be an agreement that the problem was more than just a few bad lemons who had ruined things for everyone else.

Sabrina Schaeffer, the executive director of IWF and a panelist, complained that Republican indifference to women's issues was a problem she runs into. "I know sometimes when I go into a donor meeting and I see someone's eyes just glazing over, like, 'why would I care about women?'"


The party of old white men isn't sympathetic to women's causes? What makes her Rush to say that?
 
2013-01-17 04:02:59 PM  

serial_crusher: make me some tea: serial_crusher: make me some tea: serial_crusher: The "war on women" is absolutely bullshiat propaganda made up by the Democrats.

You mean like how the Republicans made up the "War on Christmas"? Funny, that.

Basically, yes, except the Democrats are way more successful.

Why are they way more successful, do you think?

Probably has a lot to do with historical reasons.  There's still people alive today who were involved in legitimate civil rights movements during the 20th century, so those causes are naturally going to draw more advocates.  They've run out of reasonable things to complain about, but they still want to keep fighting the good fight.
The war on Christmas on the other hand, only grew as a reaction to those other movements.  It was ridiculous from the very beginning, so that's a harder sell.



Yeah but you gotta admit, all of these rape comments and calling Sandra Fluke a slut and arguing about contraception... the GOP sure does make that "war on women" thing a lot easier to sell, right?
 
2013-01-17 04:04:33 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: FTFA: " .. described a situation in which college-aged women see Republicans as "a bunch of prudish, anti-sex, anti-reproductive freedom people.""


Not true. Well, not completely true. I'm 50, and *I* see the GOP (men and women) as a bunch of prudish, anti-sex, anti-reproductive freedom people.

It ain't just "young women" that hate you. Us over 45 women hate you too. And probably with more venom, 'cause we've had more years to practice.


is that venom in your vag I see? Oh god it has teeth!
 
2013-01-17 04:05:07 PM  

mahuika: FTA: She also argued that rising energy costs, not contraception, was a big women's issue in 2012 and that Republicans had missed an opportunity in not connecting with women over rising energy costs, even though energy was one plank of presidential nominee Mitt Romney's five-point plan he touted on the trail this fall.

When prodded by audience questions, the panelists said that contraception was a non-issue. As Hemingway put it, contraception was thought up by Democrats who found it tested well in focus groups despite being a completely settled issue. Her response was to urge Republicans to respond with their own accusations that are "just as crazy," something like, "they're stealing your hot dogs!"

Are they farking idiots? Really?


Yes. Yes they are.
 
2013-01-17 04:07:25 PM  
You would THINK that contraception would be amazingly and overwhelmingly popular among conservatives.

Contraception prevents unwanted pregnancies, which often lead to unwed mothers who often have to draw upon public assistance in order to survive. In time, those unstable and impoverished families give rise to desperate children who fall into criminal activity out of a perceived necessity to escape their poverty.

But, instead, they scream 'slut!' at responsible women who want to avoid this aforementioned fate.

And they wonder why women don't vote GOP.
 
2013-01-17 04:08:10 PM  

SkinnyHead: You know, like when Bill Clinton raped Juanita Broadderick.

But what the Hell, she deserved it, MIRIGT Libs??


now ^that's^ a desperate troll

take a break moran
 
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