Kimpak: HeartBurnKid: Kimpak: jigger: Goddamn, really? I thought everywhere had 30 mbps by now. I got the cheapo service and it's hard to go under 15 mbps. I think I pay for 12 but for some reason routinely blow through that.Everywhere with at least moderate population density. Everyone seems to forget there's a lot more to the united states than its coast line states. All your major ISP's are going to be primarily located where the people are. Who can blame them for that. However that screws all the people who live in any of the rural states. Its expensive to build out a network to a town with only 200-300 people in it. So those people are either stuck with some niche ISP with shiatty speeds or has to go with satalite or dial up. No 30 mips for us.Don't hand me that. Even in the highest population areas of the US, high-bandwidth internet is either unavailable or prohibitively expensive. Meanwhile, Sonic.NET in the Bay Area and Google in Kansas City are offering high-speed fiber on the cheap, in areas that aren't particularly dense at all. I get that some rural areas might be problematic (and that's why we need a new-millennium FDR to start a Rural Broadband Project and just get it done), but the only reason it's not more widespread than it is, is because the entrenched players don't want it to be.Don't get me wrong, I agree to a certain extent. Google is the sticky wicket though. Not every ISP can do what Google did. The resources just aren't there. Google had the advantage of starting from the ground up, with essentially an infinite money cheat code activated. Which is awesome if you live in an area where they roll it out. As for Google shameing other ISP's into doing the same thing....it just isn't going to happen. Even if they wanted to, they couldn't. Fiber isn't cheap, there's the physical lines, the networking equipment, the installers and maintenance people, county/state/federal permits etc.. If you were a cable ISP and wanted to convert to ...
ProfessorOhki: Or the capped ISPs die a well deserved death.
Stormgren: X-boxershorts:Netflix is trying to change that. And if you don't peer in the same exact exchange as netflix, the ISP either pays for the installation or that region doesn't get SuperHD. Have you priced a Juniper MX480 or 960 with 10GB ports lately?Yes, why? :)I honestly don't consider it to be too far-fetched for Netflix to be offering this. It's really no different from any other transit, so I'd treat them like any other ISP that it might be advantageous for me to get interconnected with.Also, while Akamai et al doesn't really charge for the hardware provided, last I knew, the network operator still has to foot the bill for power, cooling, and bandwidth for the clusters to talk back to the mothership. This might not be a trivial number for hardware taking up space in a datacenter that's not making me any money directly. Contrast that with getting into an exchange where I might be able to not only connect to Netflix, but leverage that effort into other interconnectivity opportunities. If it were me, I'd be comparing the numbers.
Stormgren: syberpud: X-boxershorts: Other Content Delivery Networks bring their content to the provider. There's a Google Cluster in most every regional Comcast, Charter, TW Cable, etc..data center I know of. Akamai has similar arrangements.I think Netflix is trying to leverage their customer base to alter the playing field here. Insisting that carriers come to them instead of bringing their content to the carrier.Looks kind of like that. Among large installation operations, it's common to have agreements with major CDN's to house servers on site. These days the majority of network traffic never leaves the ISP - it is serviced by local instances of services.It's pretty much win/win for both Netflix and the ISP. From a look at their peering list on their website, they're in most of the major locations in the US that a major ISP operator is likely to also have equipment located in. They're willing to do this interconnect for free to the ISP, the ISP just has to provide a 10gbit port to peer with, and relatively speaking, they're not that expensive anymore. Both sides then don't have to pay for that bandwidth for transit across whatever carriers are in-between Netflix and the ISP. If we're talking about a minimum of 2Gbit of traffic (what netflix requires to even agree to do this), that can be a pretty hefty transit bill if the traffic from the ISP to their transit peer isn't totally balanced (I'm assuming worst-case peering with anyone here, true settlement-free ISP peering is getting increasingly rarer these days).Time Warner is just being whiny. If I were a network architect working for them, I'd be pissed that management wasn't considering this.Hell, it's one of the big reasons, that at work, we dropped in a couple of hundred Mbit link to Comcast. Traffic analysis was showing that half our website traffic was to CC connected hosts, so getting a dedicated transit link to them took a lot of pressure off our other transit connections./Network engineer
Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Nationalize all the wires and let every ISP and content provider battle on price and performance with no danger of throttling because the "tubes" are public property.But that's the BAD kind of socialism - since it doesn't benefit established hierarchies.
X-boxershorts: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Nationalize all the wires and let every ISP and content provider battle on price and performance with no danger of throttling because the "tubes" are public property.But that's the BAD kind of socialism - since it doesn't benefit established hierarchies.TWCable could easily have a billion dollars tied up in their nationwide backbone.You want to take that away from them?You know how I know you're clueless about how the internet actually works
X-boxershorts: TWCable could easily have a billion dollars tied up in their nationwide backbone.You want to take that away from them?
Kimpak: Netflix is going to have to do something soon though, as more and more ISP's adopt data caps. Its only a matter of time, data caps are here and are not going away.
ecmoRandomNumbers: So how does Netflix screw me on this? I know I'm going to get screwed, I just don't know how. Am I going to have to get rid of this, too? Dammit. Just as I was starting to watch The West Wing.
Pocket Ninja: For all intensive purposes, subby, it really doesn't matter alot if you say "all of the sudden" instead of "all of a sudden." But visa vee strict grammar rules, only one is technically correct.
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