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(Fox News)   Bill O'Reilly: We can solve gun violence the same way we won the War on Drugs: massive federal penalties for the smallest crime involving the controlled substance in question   (nation.foxnews.com ) divider line 116
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2013-01-17 11:46:16 AM  
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vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-17 11:49:51 AM  
Sure, all you have to do to get around it is buy some gun seeds and grow lights.  Totally the same thing.
 
2013-01-17 11:56:01 AM  
If the threat of incarceration was a deterrent to crime, America would be the safest country in the world.
 
2013-01-17 11:57:54 AM  
We won the War on Drugs?

When the hell did that happen?
 
2013-01-17 11:59:28 AM  
When did we win the War on Drugs? Dammit, I missed the parade!
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-17 12:03:55 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: If the threat of incarceration was a deterrent to crime, America would be the safest country in the world.


It certainly deters people from keeping full auto weapons and sawed off shotguns.
 
2013-01-17 12:04:10 PM  

Pavia_Resistance: When did we win the War on Drugs? Dammit, I missed the parade!


I know.  Now we can buy sudafed without going through a friggin' background check and having our names added to a list.
 
2013-01-17 12:06:29 PM  
War on Guns sounds kind of redundant.
 
2013-01-17 12:12:42 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Pavia_Resistance: When did we win the War on Drugs? Dammit, I missed the parade!

I know.  Now we can buy sudafed without going through a friggin' background check and having our names added to a list.


Really?  We still can't buy Sudafed without a prescription from a doctor and two forms of blood and urine samples.  Oh, and let's not talk about the sperm sample.
 
2013-01-17 12:12:52 PM  
Bill-O finally gets one right.  If you are carrying a gun illegally, or if you have an illegal gun, you should go to jail for a very, very long time.
 
2013-01-17 12:19:30 PM  

Vodka Zombie: We won the War on Drugs?


Technically, the drugs won.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-17 12:24:39 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Pavia_Resistance: When did we win the War on Drugs? Dammit, I missed the parade!

I know.  Now we can buy sudafed without going through a friggin' background check and having our names added to a list.


Sounds like a plan for buying ammunition.  It works in Switzerland.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-17 12:25:57 PM  

Lucky LaRue: Bill-O finally gets one right.  If you are carrying a gun illegally, or if you have an illegal gun, you should go to jail for a very, very long time.


We should de-criminalize drugs to free up space for the survivalist/terrorist/NRA types.
 
2013-01-17 12:27:08 PM  

Lucky LaRue: Bill-O finally gets one right.  If you are carrying a gun illegally, or if you have an illegal gun, you should go to jail for a very, very long time.


Well only a few states have laws where someone whos not a felon will get fined for having a handgun. There are no laws for non-felons on long arms. So basically unless you're a felon you won't have an "illegal gun."
 
2013-01-17 12:34:03 PM  
What would be nice is a solution to Bill O'Reilly
 
2013-01-17 12:52:49 PM  

Vodka Zombie: We won the War on Drugs?

When the hell did that happen?


www.rankopedia.com

Maybe you ain't been keeping up on current events...
 
2013-01-17 12:53:23 PM  

Vodka Zombie: We won the War on Drugs?

When the hell did that happen?


Yeah, right around the same time, and the same way, we won the War in Iraq:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-17 12:55:43 PM  
By making it a 10th Amendment issue?
 
2013-01-17 12:56:49 PM  

Vodka Zombie: We won the War on Drugs?

When the hell did that happen?


Quite awhile ago. I haven't been able to get my hands on any marijuana cigarettes for what feels like years.
 
2013-01-17 01:01:18 PM  

GanjSmokr: Vodka Zombie: We won the War on Drugs?

When the hell did that happen?

Quite awhile ago. I haven't been able to get my hands on any marijuana cigarettes for what feels like years.


Really?  I thought all you marijuana heads just switched to goofballs and fairy dust when the reefer ran out.
 
2013-01-17 01:08:14 PM  

Vodka Zombie: GanjSmokr: Vodka Zombie: We won the War on Drugs?

When the hell did that happen?

Quite awhile ago. I haven't been able to get my hands on any marijuana cigarettes for what feels like years.

Really?  I thought all you marijuana heads just switched to goofballs and fairy dust when the reefer ran out.


I tried both of those solutions but they just don't have the "kick" of a good marijuana cigarette.

/and raping and killing people just doesn't feel the same when I'm not all jacked up on the marijuana grass weed.
 
2013-01-17 01:21:17 PM  
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/private prison lobbying groups
 
2013-01-17 01:58:27 PM  
Since 50% of the people in Federal Prison are there for drug-related offenses, you'd have to end the War on Drugs to implement the sentences that O'Reilly proposes (gun crimes are now federal crimes...so 10 years added on to any state sentence for robbery, assault, etc...with a gun).  I'm actually ok with that idea.
 
2013-01-17 01:58:48 PM  
Sounds like a great idea, Bill.

I ain't clicking that link, already been feeling nauseous enough today.
 
2013-01-17 02:17:51 PM  

slayer199: Since 50% of the people in Federal Prison are there for drug-related offenses, you'd have to end the War on Drugs to implement the sentences that O'Reilly proposes (gun crimes are now federal crimes...so 10 years added on to any state sentence for robbery, assault, etc...with a gun).  I'm actually ok with that idea.


Most of the actual drug crimes that are endemic of the problems that started the war on drugs are also tied to illegal gun ownership, so this should solve both problems.
 
2013-01-17 02:18:06 PM  

Pavia_Resistance: When did we win the War on Drugs? Dammit, I missed the parade!


except that the actual article said, look at the drop in crime rate, it fell because of mandatory minimums.
NOT, we won the war on drugs.

there is tons of questions about WHY the crime rate dropped. my guess is that it has nothing to do with mandatory minimums.
and we lost the war on drugs, so that isnt it.
 
2013-01-17 02:18:25 PM  
while the modmins are firing on all cylinders today. there's more flammable material here than a 1950s mattress factory. is drew putting an addition on his house?
 
2013-01-17 02:18:46 PM  

Pavia_Resistance: When did we win the War on Drugs? Dammit, I missed the parade!


You weren't invited.
 
2013-01-17 02:18:56 PM  
Nancy and Adam Lanza were the proud owners of registered firearms and upstanding NRA members.
 
2013-01-17 02:20:16 PM  
I agree with the spirit Bill's argument for once, but I think the penalty system we need to look at isn't the penalty system for drugs; it's the one we've used to make drunk driving such a repugnant behavior. Only repeat offenders who are unwilling to change should be thrown in jail; everyone else who's carrying illegally on a first or second-time offense should be fined heavily and given other stiff penalties.

At the same time, if we're going to throw illegal gun owners in jail, we also need to stop prosecuting people for minor drug crimes, because our prisons are overcrowded enough as it is.
 
2013-01-17 02:23:56 PM  
"Hey Louie, you hears about dis war on guns?"
www.forgeworld.co.uk
 
2013-01-17 02:24:39 PM  

Whiskey Pete: Nancy and Adam Lanza were the proud owners of registered firearms and upstanding NRA members.


Apparently not too upstanding if they didn't secure their firearms when they weren't home.
 
2013-01-17 02:24:47 PM  
Honestly, I'm fine with tacking ridiculous sentences onto people who participate in gun-related crimes, by making gun crimes automatically felonies. Granted, I don't think it'll work as well as they would have you think, but it would probably do something beneficial.
Plus, it would require more federal prisons, which would mean more staffing. More jerbs for citizens, which is a pretty cool thing.

Holy crap, I'm actually kind of agreeing with O'Reilly. You can't explain that.
 
2013-01-17 02:25:59 PM  
Small government FTW, right?
 
2013-01-17 02:27:03 PM  

efgeise: Honestly, I'm fine with tacking ridiculous sentences onto people who participate in gun-related crimes, by making gun crimes automatically felonies. Granted, I don't think it'll work as well as they would have you think, but it would probably do something beneficial.
Plus, it would require more federal prisons, which would mean more staffing. More jerbs for citizens, which is a pretty cool thing.

Holy crap, I'm actually kind of agreeing with O'Reilly. You can't explain that.


You're right. Severity of sentence doesn't really have a large effect on crime rate. Apparently likelihood of getting caught is a far better deterrent.

Also, the US justice system seems to be gear towards creating recidivism as opposed to minimizing it, but that's a whole other can of worms to discuss.
 
2013-01-17 02:28:37 PM  
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2013-01-17 02:28:49 PM  
Where in the article did he say we won the war on drugs subby?
 
2013-01-17 02:31:03 PM  
It that did go down, think how funny it would be BO just walking down the street people would be throwing and trying to plant guns on him, throwing guns into his open car or home window, and his lawn would be littered with guns.
 
2013-01-17 02:31:31 PM  
Wait... so... umm like... Just like how totally banning all drugs from being sold has totally stopped all trade of drugs in this country. And how it has reduced the crime rate associated with illegal drug use. And how it is stopped all drugs from entering the country.

Yes... this will work.
 
2013-01-17 02:35:10 PM  
Canada 'had' a minimum 3 years sentence for unlawful procession of a gun.

/Thrown out when challenged a week ago in BC.
//challenged by a legitimate business man.
///The punishment must fit the crime and a mandatory sentence of a specific term does not meet the merits of justifiable action for what is a variable crime.(packing is different from actually using it on people and getting busted)
 
2013-01-17 02:35:23 PM  
Fastest way ever to get a new mental Illness: weapons addiction. We have to take their illness into account when they break the law.

We already know it exists, but this way we can make it official: "I can't stop loving my guns! I will kill you if you try to take them from me! I can't help it, it's an addiction!"
 
2013-01-17 02:36:53 PM  

Vodka Zombie: We won the War on Drugs?

When the hell did that happen?


Pavia_Resistance: When did we win the War on Drugs? Dammit, I missed the parade!


Praise the Lord and pass the bong!
 
2013-01-17 02:36:53 PM  
Drug tests when purchasing ammunition would reduce the violence too.
 
2013-01-17 02:37:27 PM  

Qwertyette: Wait... so... umm like... Just like how totally banning all drugs from being sold has totally stopped all trade of drugs in this country. And how it has reduced the crime rate associated with illegal drug use. And how it is stopped all drugs from entering the country.

Yes... this will work.


i.qkme.me
 
2013-01-17 02:37:36 PM  

Mercutio74: Whiskey Pete: Nancy and Adam Lanza were the proud owners of registered firearms and upstanding NRA members.

Apparently not too upstanding if they didn't secure their firearms when they weren't home.


Actually I believe that Nancy Lanza was, indeed, home when her son was able to get hold of her firearms.

/Then Adam made sure she stayed home...
 
2013-01-17 02:37:54 PM  

sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]


Where do they keep the chickens?
 
2013-01-17 02:38:55 PM  

Citrate1007: sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 600x800]

Where do they keep the chickens?


Those are the "sweat boxes"
 
2013-01-17 02:41:09 PM  
He must have the same definition of victory as the French.
 
2013-01-17 02:42:20 PM  

Mercutio74: efgeise: Honestly, I'm fine with tacking ridiculous sentences onto people who participate in gun-related crimes, by making gun crimes automatically felonies. Granted, I don't think it'll work as well as they would have you think, but it would probably do something beneficial.
Plus, it would require more federal prisons, which would mean more staffing. More jerbs for citizens, which is a pretty cool thing.

Holy crap, I'm actually kind of agreeing with O'Reilly. You can't explain that.

You're right. Severity of sentence doesn't really have a large effect on crime rate. Apparently likelihood of getting caught is a far better deterrent.

Also, the US justice system seems to be gear towards creating recidivism as opposed to minimizing it, but that's a whole other can of worms to discuss.


Definitely: a much use of our money would be to hire more caseworkers to help people break various addictions they may have. Also, instead of hiring the extra guards I mentioned, they could do better by hiring more police officers so that the chances of someone being caught go up. As you said, actual chances of being caught decrease the likelihood of criminal behavior (which is a sad thought), more so than severity of the crime. But, tacking felonies onto any crime involving a gun (illegal sales, armed crimes, etc) would probably deter a portion of people.

Maybe instead of tacking on felonies, how about make the fine be stupidly outrageous? Or imposing a lot of fines on the various infractions? I was thinking Germany had outrageous fines for traffic infractions, but looking at http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/traffic-violations.html, I see that the fines aren't all that expensive, just they would probably easily add together to form a massive fine, as most of these seem to be sympathetic fines (as in, you get one and you'll probably get others)?
 
2013-01-17 02:42:36 PM  
""Talking Points" has no problem with background checks or with gun registration. After all, we register our cars. But these things should be decided by the individual states, not the federal government. If the state like New York wants to ban assault rifles, fine. But Wyoming may not want to do that. And the feds should respect the states' rights. "

Not bad except for that. If someone is gonna be cool with killing 10 people with an assault rifle, they are going to be cool with transporting it over a state border to do so.
 
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