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(WPTV)   In an attempt to prove a point, Florida Sen. Bill Nelson will join 800 others in the python hunting challenge. Your state is crazy, point proven   (wptv.com) divider line 70
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2013-01-17 11:17:46 AM
He's got a distinct advantage.  With his scaly old skin the pythons will believe he's one of them.
 
2013-01-17 11:24:56 AM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-17 11:25:06 AM
I'm sure his congressional aides would love to kill snakes for him to pose with after the hunt.
 
2013-01-17 11:25:06 AM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-17 11:25:19 AM
How is it crazy? Pythons are a problem and this is the best way to go about it.
 
2013-01-17 11:26:09 AM
cdn1.sbnation.com

"Let's Conservate"
 
2013-01-17 11:26:40 AM
The best way to stop pythons that have gotten out of hand:

hereticalnotions.com
 
2013-01-17 11:26:50 AM

WTF Indeed: How is it crazy? Pythons are a problem and this is the best way to go about it.


Seems like one could consider switching back to Javascript.

/but "hello world" is just print 'hello world'!
 
2013-01-17 11:27:12 AM
Say what you will.  Senator Nelson, my senator, is a true badass.  He probably is out catching them with his bare hands and skinning them with his teeth.

/DNRTFA
 
2013-01-17 11:28:21 AM
I'm the biggest animal lover on the planet and I hate the thought of these guys having to be killed, but I can think of zero other workable solutions to save the rest of the animals in the everglades. The only real problem here is my fear of what other species will be blown away in the python hunt.
 
2013-01-17 11:29:42 AM
I wonder if they will find the elusive "stink ape" while they're at it.
 
2013-01-17 11:34:33 AM
ts3.mm.bing.net

Some people will shoot anything
 
2013-01-17 11:38:09 AM

Verdelak: I'm the biggest animal lover on the planet and I hate the thought of these guys having to be killed, but I can think of zero other workable solutions to save the rest of the animals in the everglades. The only real problem here is my fear of what other species will be blown away in the python hunt.


Except it won't solve anything. There are (at minimum) 10,000+ pythons in the Everglades. Possibly far, far more (according to the article some estimate "hundreds of thousands). And how many were killed the first two days of a month long hunt? 11 of them. Even if they quadruple the kill rate, there would still be under 700 killed total. Barely the smallest dent in the problem.

This hunt poses a huge risk to the natural wildlife to basically put a tiny bandage on a giant, gushing, bloody gunshot would. It's ridiculous.
 
2013-01-17 11:39:40 AM
I think this is a good idea. As long as the pre-screen to make sure that the people searching have some basic everglades skills. This way the park rangers, hospitals etc can be on call too.

Out of curiosity though. How do you find them? Just walking around looking for them? Are there particular scents that they are attacted to?
 
2013-01-17 11:40:32 AM

Supes: This hunt poses a huge risk to the natural wildlife to basically put a tiny bandage on a giant, gushing, bloody gunshot would wound. It's ridiculous.


/ftfm
 
2013-01-17 11:42:08 AM
When I was a young man I was led to believe
There were organizations to kill my snakes for me
 
2013-01-17 11:43:26 AM

HMS_Blinkin: WTF Indeed: How is it crazy? Pythons are a problem and this is the best way to go about it.

Seems like one could consider switching back to Javascript.


How do you disable a python, anyway?
 
2013-01-17 11:44:52 AM
Might as well start bear patrols too.
 
2013-01-17 11:47:31 AM
This is the best application of redneck blood lust ever. Can't wait to see the Discovery Channel series that comes out of this one. Seriously. This invasive species needs to go away and we finally found folks daring enough to do the job. Good on these guys for heading into the swamps to take care of this. No way in hell would I want to go snake hunting like that.
 
2013-01-17 11:50:09 AM

MBooda: HMS_Blinkin: WTF Indeed: How is it crazy? Pythons are a problem and this is the best way to go about it.

Seems like one could consider switching back to Javascript.

How do you disable a python, anyway?


Syntax and runtime errors always work pretty well for me.
 
2013-01-17 11:51:33 AM
On second thought, let's not go to Florida. 'Tis a silly place.
 
2013-01-17 11:52:49 AM
This is a huge waste of time and money.  I heard on the radio that you can just take a little blue pill to cure a reptile dysfunction.
 
2013-01-17 11:56:36 AM

Dinki: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 317x238]


Whack slow, THEN fast.
 
2013-01-17 11:56:54 AM

FloydA: This is a huge waste of time and money.  I heard on the radio that you can just take a little blue pill to cure a reptile dysfunction.


Nice.
 
2013-01-17 11:59:59 AM

Supes: Verdelak: I'm the biggest animal lover on the planet and I hate the thought of these guys having to be killed, but I can think of zero other workable solutions to save the rest of the animals in the everglades. The only real problem here is my fear of what other species will be blown away in the python hunt.

Except it won't solve anything. There are (at minimum) 10,000+ pythons in the Everglades. Possibly far, far more (according to the article some estimate "hundreds of thousands). And how many were killed the first two days of a month long hunt? 11 of them. Even if they quadruple the kill rate, there would still be under 700 killed total. Barely the smallest dent in the problem.

This hunt poses a huge risk to the natural wildlife to basically put a tiny bandage on a giant, gushing, bloody gunshot would. It's ridiculous.


If there's anything we can learn from the past, it's that with enough "Varmint Hunts," we can kill them off. That's what happened to the Eastern Mountain Lions.

//Did somebody say $25 a python? I could go for that.
 
2013-01-17 11:59:59 AM

MBooda: HMS_Blinkin: WTF Indeed: How is it crazy? Pythons are a problem and this is the best way to go about it.

Seems like one could consider switching back to Javascript.

How do you disable a python, anyway?


A gun shot to the head.

Or a zero-day exploit.
 
2013-01-17 12:00:24 PM
I would love a pair of Python boots. Why isn't it viable to make them extinct due to over hunting?
 
2013-01-17 12:00:49 PM

Supes: Verdelak: I'm the biggest animal lover on the planet and I hate the thought of these guys having to be killed, but I can think of zero other workable solutions to save the rest of the animals in the everglades. The only real problem here is my fear of what other species will be blown away in the python hunt.

Except it won't solve anything. There are (at minimum) 10,000+ pythons in the Everglades. Possibly far, far more (according to the article some estimate "hundreds of thousands). And how many were killed the first two days of a month long hunt? 11 of them. Even if they quadruple the kill rate, there would still be under 700 killed total. Barely the smallest dent in the problem.

This hunt poses a huge risk to the natural wildlife to basically put a tiny bandage on a giant, gushing, bloody gunshot would. It's ridiculous.


The more you know. I did not know that the hunt was so dismal. I should have suspected though. Massive swamp and an elusive predator doesn't bode well for success. Sadly, I fear that alligators and the handful of cougars are at risk.
 
2013-01-17 12:01:02 PM
You can probably kill them all if there was enough money in it. We nearly did it with gators and a few birds in FL. Not to mention the rest of the US.
 
2013-01-17 12:03:28 PM

Supes: Verdelak: I'm the biggest animal lover on the planet and I hate the thought of these guys having to be killed, but I can think of zero other workable solutions to save the rest of the animals in the everglades. The only real problem here is my fear of what other species will be blown away in the python hunt.

Except it won't solve anything. There are (at minimum) 10,000+ pythons in the Everglades. Possibly far, far more (according to the article some estimate "hundreds of thousands). And how many were killed the first two days of a month long hunt? 11 of them. Even if they quadruple the kill rate, there would still be under 700 killed total. Barely the smallest dent in the problem.

This hunt poses a huge risk to the natural wildlife to basically put a tiny bandage on a giant, gushing, bloody gunshot would. It's ridiculous.


What is the "huge risk to the natural wildlife?"

Is there another way to eradicate pythons, or is it too late?
 
2013-01-17 12:03:47 PM

FloydA: This is a huge waste of time and money.  I heard on the radio that you can just take a little blue pill to cure a reptile dysfunction.


Screams. Runs from thread.

+1
 
2013-01-17 12:06:25 PM

justanotherfarkinfarker: You can probably kill them all if there was enough money in it. We nearly did it with gators and a few birds in FL. Not to mention the rest of the US.


This

$1500 is not much of an incentive for most people to invest in all the gear required to hunt in the Everglades. If they did a decent prize like $10,000, you'd see the Mid-Western hunters come down in droves and then you'd get some results.
 
2013-01-17 12:11:18 PM

plcow: I think this is a good idea. As long as the pre-screen to make sure that the people searching have some basic everglades skills. This way the park rangers, hospitals etc can be on call too.

Out of curiosity though. How do you find them? Just walking around looking for them? Are there particular scents that they are attacted to?


Wear the scent of a small mammal and pythons will find you.

No, seriously, you look for them.  They're well camouflaged and most are farily small.  So it  isn't easy.  But in the early mornings, snakes will expose themselves to the sun to warm up, so you'll find them on roads, deadfalls, and in other sunny places.  They're also sluggish when they're cold, so they're easier to catch.
 
2013-01-17 12:11:37 PM
media.soundonsound.com
R.I.P Bill Nelson
 
2013-01-17 12:12:20 PM

BarkingUnicorn: What is the "huge risk to the natural wildlife?"

Is there another way to eradicate pythons, or is it too late?


The risk is 800+ mostly untrained hunters traipsing through the Everglades, with loaded guns, ready to shoot anything that moves.

The sad part is, I agree this is a huge problem, and to be frank there really is no good way to eradicate the pythons. But a smaller, highly trained group of people operating on a longer time scale (maybe year-round, permanently) would be more effective and have less potential to cause harm. Still wouldn't solve the problem though.... there simply is no silver bullet.
 
2013-01-17 12:13:35 PM

DSF6969: MBooda: HMS_Blinkin: How do you disable a python, anyway?

A gun shot to the head.


Remember: double-tap.
 
2013-01-17 12:14:23 PM

Verdelak: Supes: Verdelak: I'm the biggest animal lover on the planet and I hate the thought of these guys having to be killed, but I can think of zero other workable solutions to save the rest of the animals in the everglades. The only real problem here is my fear of what other species will be blown away in the python hunt.

Except it won't solve anything. There are (at minimum) 10,000+ pythons in the Everglades. Possibly far, far more (according to the article some estimate "hundreds of thousands). And how many were killed the first two days of a month long hunt? 11 of them. Even if they quadruple the kill rate, there would still be under 700 killed total. Barely the smallest dent in the problem.

This hunt poses a huge risk to the natural wildlife to basically put a tiny bandage on a giant, gushing, bloody gunshot would. It's ridiculous.

The more you know. I did not know that the hunt was so dismal. I should have suspected though. Massive swamp and an elusive predator doesn't bode well for success. Sadly, I fear that alligators and the handful of cougars are at risk.


Plus, there won't be 800 hunters out there every day for a month.  800 hunters are registered, that's all.  Quite a few will give up very quickly.  Others are just in it a day or two for a vacation adventure.
 
2013-01-17 12:16:00 PM

Supes: Verdelak: I'm the biggest animal lover on the planet and I hate the thought of these guys having to be killed, but I can think of zero other workable solutions to save the rest of the animals in the everglades. The only real problem here is my fear of what other species will be blown away in the python hunt.

Except it won't solve anything. There are (at minimum) 10,000+ pythons in the Everglades. Possibly far, far more (according to the article some estimate "hundreds of thousands). And how many were killed the first two days of a month long hunt? 11 of them. Even if they quadruple the kill rate, there would still be under 700 killed total. Barely the smallest dent in the problem.

This hunt poses a huge risk to the natural wildlife to basically put a tiny bandage on a giant, gushing, bloody gunshot would. It's ridiculous.


You are right about the hunt barely making a dent in the population of the snakes.
But the hunt is about more than just the numbers. They are using it to gather data about the snakes. It really was never about the numbers alone. Hopefully they will get a better understanding of the habitats that the snakes are living in and be able to formulate a plan that will have an effect. Seems the science part of all the media attention is getting over looked.
Blood and killing are sexy and it sells. Science, not so much.
 
2013-01-17 12:18:13 PM
For Sen. Clarence Nelson, everyday has been gravy since 1986 when his flight on the space shuttle got bumped up from his scheduled trip on the Challenger.
 
2013-01-17 12:20:38 PM

DownDaRiver: You are right about the hunt barely making a dent in the population of the snakes.
But the hunt is about more than just the numbers. They are using it to gather data about the snakes. It really was never about the numbers alone. Hopefully they will get a better understanding of the habitats that the snakes are living in and be able to formulate a plan that will have an effect. Seems the science part of all the media attention is getting over looked.
Blood and killing are sexy and it sells. Science, not so much.


Any more information about that? I wasn't familiar with any scientific data-gathering aspects of this hunt.
 
2013-01-17 12:21:12 PM

sxacho: When I was a young man I was led to believe
There were organizations to kill my snakes for me


The organization ain't really organized.
 
2013-01-17 12:23:53 PM

Supes: BarkingUnicorn: What is the "huge risk to the natural wildlife?"

Is there another way to eradicate pythons, or is it too late?

The risk is 800+ mostly untrained hunters traipsing through the Everglades, with loaded guns, ready to shoot anything that moves.

The sad part is, I agree this is a huge problem, and to be frank there really is no good way to eradicate the pythons. But a smaller, highly trained group of people operating on a longer time scale (maybe year-round, permanently) would be more effective and have less potential to cause harm. Still wouldn't solve the problem though.... there simply is no silver bullet.


I don't think these hunters are going to be indiscriminate.  Some native snakes will be killed by mistake, but that's the biggest risk I see (ignoring risks to hunters).

I agree that pythons are here to stay.  A new ecological balance will work itself out.
 
2013-01-17 12:29:56 PM

DownDaRiver: You are right about the hunt barely making a dent in the population of the snakes.
But the hunt is about more than just the numbers. They are using it to gather data about the snakes. It really was never about the numbers alone. Hopefully they will get a better understanding of the habitats that the snakes are living in and be able to formulate a plan that will have an effect. Seems the science part of all the media attention is getting over looked.


I haven't seen anything in the rules about collecting research data.  It's just find 'em, kill 'em, and bring 'em in.

Rattlesnake round-ups are big in Texas.  Tens of thousands of snakes are killed each year, but Texas never runs out of rattlesnakes.  Python hunting will just become a local tradition and tourist attraction.  Someday, we'll see "save the pythons because jobs" campaign.
 
2013-01-17 12:34:29 PM
Yes, but are they delicious?
 
2013-01-17 12:49:38 PM
Why the hell hasn't someone opened a restaurant that serves snake?  Just put those thing on the menu, and your set!  Snake Pit Pete's, or Monty's Python Buffet.
 
2013-01-17 12:52:17 PM

MBooda: HMS_Blinkin: WTF Indeed: How is it crazy? Pythons are a problem and this is the best way to go about it.

Seems like one could consider switching back to Javascript.

How do you disable a python, anyway?


root@darkstar: ~# chmod -x /usr/bin/python
 
2013-01-17 01:06:26 PM

santadog: Why the hell hasn't someone opened a restaurant that serves snake?  Just put those thing on the menu, and your set!  Snake Pit Pete's, or Monty's Python Buffet.


The apex level predators in the 'glades - which these snakes are part of - typically have 3x the amount of mercury in them than what the fda says is "safe if you only eat fish once or twice a year"
 
2013-01-17 01:06:51 PM

Mr. Holmes: If there's anything we can learn from the past, it's that with enough "Varmint Hunts," we can kill them off. That's what happened to the Eastern Mountain Lions.

//Did somebody say $25 a python? I could go for that.


Yep.

All you have to do is set the bounty below how much it costs to raise a python, to discourage breeding of them for the bounty, but high enough that people are willing to spend the time to actively hunt them.
 
2013-01-17 01:13:53 PM

Supes: DownDaRiver: You are right about the hunt barely making a dent in the population of the snakes.
But the hunt is about more than just the numbers. They are using it to gather data about the snakes. It really was never about the numbers alone. Hopefully they will get a better understanding of the habitats that the snakes are living in and be able to formulate a plan that will have an effect. Seems the science part of all the media attention is getting over looked.
Blood and killing are sexy and it sells. Science, not so much.

Any more information about that? I wasn't familiar with any scientific data-gathering aspects of this hunt.


You have to have a digital camera to take pictures of the snake, and you have to have a GPS to record the location of where you took the snake, and you have to send both the image and coordinates to Florida Fish and Wildlife.

It's not just a "Bubba shows up with a pick-up truck bed full of pythons" sort of thing.
 
2013-01-17 01:31:51 PM
'Bed Full of Pythons' is the name of my White Snake tribute band.
 
2013-01-17 01:53:37 PM

Supes: Except it won't solve anything. There are (at minimum) 10,000+ pythons in the Everglades. Possibly far, far more (according to the article some estimate "hundreds of thousands). And how many were killed the first two days of a month long hunt? 11 of them.


This.
As a reptile enthusiast I have had a few pythons escape and I can't find them for days within my own house. I can't imagine looking for them in the everglades. There's no farking way you will even make a dent. They are sneaky little buggers.
Only one of them ever got away for good. This was in '95 and I never did find him after exhaustive week-long search. I neglected to mention this fact to the people that bought the house a year later.
 
2013-01-17 02:36:16 PM
I hope it isn't the 24 inch pythons!
graphics.nytimes.com
 
2013-01-17 02:40:08 PM

HMS_Blinkin: WTF Indeed: How is it crazy? Pythons are a problem and this is the best way to go about it.

Seems like one could consider switching back to Javascript.

/but "hello world" is just print 'hello world'!


You're missing some parentheses, because print is now a function in Python.
 
2013-01-17 02:45:38 PM

2wolves: FloydA: This is a huge waste of time and money.  I heard on the radio that you can just take a little blue pill to cure a reptile dysfunction.

Screams. Runs from thread.

+1

+2
 
2013-01-17 02:46:14 PM

dittybopper: You have to have a digital camera to take pictures of the snake, and you have to have a GPS to record the location of where you took the snake, and you have to send both the image and coordinates to Florida Fish and Wildlife.


Sounds like a  job for geo-cachers.  Are there any left?
 
2013-01-17 03:16:23 PM
There are areas in the Everglades where the mammal populations are almost extinct due to these snakes. No deer, bobcats, raccoons, etc. Someones got to kill them.
 
2013-01-17 03:32:49 PM

shanrick: There are areas in the Everglades where the mammal populations are almost extinct due to these snakes. No deer, bobcats, raccoons, etc. Someones got to kill them.


See! The feral hog problem is gone and DIA didn't have reload even once!
 
2013-01-17 03:49:02 PM

santadog: Why the hell hasn't someone opened a restaurant that serves snake?  Just put those thing on the menu, and your set!  Snake Pit Pete's, or Monty's Python Buffet.


This reminds me of something I read about the problem of the lionfish in the Caribbean. It was an invasive species, probably introduced out of someones fish tank and was destroying the local wildlife. Apparently, someone made the discovery that they were delicious and local restaurants started serving them as a delicacy. Pretty quickly, the numbers dwindled. The lion fish is still there, but not nearly as destructive.

I've wondered about Kudzu along the same lines. I know that it's edible (never tried it) but couldn't it be cleared as animal feed? Or is it just too difficult to clear out of places it's taken hold?
 
2013-01-17 04:07:51 PM

i.r.id10t: santadog: Why the hell hasn't someone opened a restaurant that serves snake?  Just put those thing on the menu, and your set!  Snake Pit Pete's, or Monty's Python Buffet.

The apex level predators in the 'glades - which these snakes are part of - typically have 3x the amount of mercury in them than what the fda says is "safe if you only eat fish once or twice a year"


I did not know that about the Mercury.
 
2013-01-17 04:32:55 PM
Why don't they just send in a pack of honey badgers?

/they go to great lengths to kill and eat snakes
//they're nasty
///and they don't give a fark
 
2013-01-17 05:49:20 PM
If they were smart, they'd take along a bunch of beautiful women and handsome men, have them strip naked while they hunt, and then wrestle the pythons they manage to find. Film every bit of it and sell. They'll make more than enough money to finance python hunts for twenty years.
 
2013-01-17 06:19:46 PM
I still flinch when I watch this

/oblig
//not sure if they ever determined this to be real or not
 
2013-01-17 06:28:03 PM

Supes: The risk is 800+ mostly untrained hunters traipsing through the Everglades, with loaded guns, ready to shoot anything that moves.


That is why, every hunting season, when millions of mostly untrained hunters are traipsing through the woods with loaded guns, ready to shoot anything that moves, there are hundreds of thousands of people shot by accident.

Or not.

Contrary to your uninformed opinion, hunters do not shoot at "anything that moves".
 
2013-01-17 06:53:23 PM
You sure can tell those who have hunted before or not in this thread.

Some of you are just clueless about what it means to hunt.
 
2013-01-17 06:54:39 PM

RickN99: Supes: The risk is 800+ mostly untrained hunters traipsing through the Everglades, with loaded guns, ready to shoot anything that moves.

That is why, every hunting season, when millions of mostly untrained hunters are traipsing through the woods with loaded guns, ready to shoot anything that moves, there are hundreds of thousands of people shot by accident.

Or not.

Contrary to your uninformed opinion, hunters do not shoot at "anything that moves".


These people are just ignorant. They probably believe hunters are not also environmentalists. Their loss.
 
2013-01-17 07:04:16 PM

santadog: i.r.id10t: santadog: Why the hell hasn't someone opened a restaurant that serves snake?  Just put those thing on the menu, and your set!  Snake Pit Pete's, or Monty's Python Buffet.

The apex level predators in the 'glades - which these snakes are part of - typically have 3x the amount of mercury in them than what the fda says is "safe if you only eat fish once or twice a year"

I did not know that about the Mercury.


Probably because it is not true.

Link
 
2013-01-17 11:41:58 PM

RickN99: Contrary to your uninformed opinion, hunters do not shoot at "anything that moves".


But there will be thousands of harmless garden hoses shot up. Can you live with that atrocity on your hands?
 
2013-01-18 12:07:41 AM

RickN99: Supes: The risk is 800+ mostly untrained hunters traipsing through the Everglades, with loaded guns, ready to shoot anything that moves.

That is why, every hunting season, when millions of mostly untrained hunters are traipsing through the woods with loaded guns, ready to shoot anything that moves, there are hundreds of thousands of people shot by accident.

Or not.

Contrary to your uninformed opinion, hunters do not shoot at "anything that moves".


Most. Plus its usually lifestock that gets nixed not people. Usually.
 
2013-01-18 12:43:51 AM
Bill Nelson is gay?

/dnrtfa
 
2013-01-18 12:53:50 AM

RickN99: Supes: The risk is 800+ mostly untrained hunters traipsing through the Everglades, with loaded guns, ready to shoot anything that moves.

That is why, every hunting season, when millions of mostly untrained hunters are traipsing through the woods with loaded guns, ready to shoot anything that moves, there are hundreds of thousands of people shot by accident.

Or not.

Contrary to your uninformed opinion, hunters do not shoot at "anything that moves".


I've always thought the lack of hunter deaths was more a testament to the fact that hunters tend to wear brightly colored vests. Animals don't. Maybe hunters in your neck of the woods are better, but where I grew up, there were way too many weekend warriors content to spray-and-pray.
 
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