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(Legal Times)   TSA employee fired for releasing "sensitive" information that he made up   (legaltimes.typepad.com) divider line 73
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2013-01-17 11:33:40 AM
Patdown Redact not available for comment.
 
2013-01-17 11:58:01 AM

Nothing To See Here: Patdown Redact not available for comment.


That's a stupid rapper name.
 
2013-01-17 12:04:35 PM
Let that be a lesson to everyone:

Accurate anecdotes can be hazardous to your employment prospects.
 
2013-01-17 12:04:37 PM
FTA: The content, he said, was "made up" and not based on facts.

Is there another kind of "made up"?
 
2013-01-17 12:06:09 PM
Good.

My company has a policy that any statements to the public regarding company operations have to be referred to an approved spokesperson, and employees violating the policy may be terminated. I would hope that the Federal Air Marshal Service has at least as strict a policy regarding disclosure.
 
2013-01-17 12:08:15 PM
So, of all things a TSA agent does and gets away with, this one gets fired for releasing fabricated information.....?

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"Well, sir, this was a matter of pride!"
 
2013-01-17 12:08:46 PM
Dirk Gently nods in sympathy.
 
2013-01-17 12:09:35 PM
FTA: "A federal agent shouldn't be allowed to get around the restrictions on the disclosure of sensitive security information "by adjusting the figures to introduce inaccuracies," DOJ lawyers said.

Lacson's proposed 'inaccuracy' exception, according to DOJ, "would provide a means of circumventing the SSI regulations that would seriously undermine their efficacy."

If TSA "guarded against the unauthorized disclosure of only absolute truths, its failure to prevent the disclosure of falsehoods could, in certain contexts, reveal SSI by implication," DOJ lawyers said."

Therefore, we will prosecute you if you say ANYTHING, because otherwise we would give away our secrets. Or, they simply ignore everything, which would give exactly the same amount of information away. The security bozos still reign supreme in DC.
 
2013-01-17 12:10:45 PM
Wait!!! You can fire TSA employees??? Really???

Well if this is true, then why hasn't someone fired all of them yet???
 
2013-01-17 12:11:17 PM
Well at least he didn't make up a girlfriend or anything really serious.
 
2013-01-17 12:14:05 PM

Galloping Galoshes: FTA: "A federal agent shouldn't be allowed to get around the restrictions on the disclosure of sensitive security information "by adjusting the figures to introduce inaccuracies," DOJ lawyers said.

Lacson's proposed 'inaccuracy' exception, according to DOJ, "would provide a means of circumventing the SSI regulations that would seriously undermine their efficacy."

If TSA "guarded against the unauthorized disclosure of only absolute truths, its failure to prevent the disclosure of falsehoods could, in certain contexts, reveal SSI by implication," DOJ lawyers said."

Therefore, we will prosecute you if you say ANYTHING, because otherwise we would give away our secrets. Or, they simply ignore everything, which would give exactly the same amount of information away. The security bozos still reign supreme in DC.


We can neither confirm nor deny this sentiment.
 
2013-01-17 12:14:07 PM
You mean the TSA would fire someone who puts a question of integrity in the public eye.
 
2013-01-17 12:16:08 PM
Statements that can be sourced by the media to an employee of the organization in question are inherently damaging as they have the appearance of authenticity.

So yes, this makes total sense.
 
2013-01-17 12:17:43 PM
Damn, thought I was going to read an article about an agent finding dildos and lube and stuff and ratting the passenger out.

leaving disappointed
 
2013-01-17 12:17:53 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: You mean the TSA would fire someone who puts a question of integrity in the public eye.


The TSA is a question of integrity.
 
2013-01-17 12:20:05 PM
When I contracted for the TSA and went through SSI training they would drill it into you that the only way a document could be labelled SSI is if the author of the document considered it SSI.

Not sure how the TSA admins could call it SSI when they were not the authors, nor was it an official DHS document.
 
2013-01-17 12:20:27 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Nothing To See Here: Patdown Redact not available for comment.

That's a stupid rapper name.


Not a bad Nom de Plume for a writer though.
 
2013-01-17 12:20:42 PM

poot_rootbeer: My company has a policy that any statements to the public regarding company operations have to be referred to an approved spokesperson, and employees violating the policy may be terminated. I would hope that the Federal Air Marshal Service has at least as strict a policy regarding disclosure.


They do I know some Air Marshals and they are vary tight lipped about their job and what they do, most of them take their job and their security clearance very seriously.

/Normal conversation with an Air Marshal, how was work? Good flew to Miami had Lunch came home and that is all the info you will get.
 
2013-01-17 12:22:24 PM

poot_rootbeer: Good.

My company has a policy that any statements to the public regarding company operations have to be referred to an approved spokesperson, and employees violating the policy may be terminated. I would hope that the Federal Air Marshal Service has at least as strict a policy regarding disclosure.


Yup, 'Cause whistle blowers should consult an approved spokesperson. I'm with you on this Mister HR.
 
2013-01-17 12:22:33 PM

Tom_Slick: poot_rootbeer: My company has a policy that any statements to the public regarding company operations have to be referred to an approved spokesperson, and employees violating the policy may be terminated. I would hope that the Federal Air Marshal Service has at least as strict a policy regarding disclosure.

They do I know some Air Marshals and they are vary tight lipped about their job and what they do, most of them take their job and their security clearance very seriously.

/Normal conversation with an Air Marshal, how was work? Good flew to Miami had Lunch came home and that is all the info you will get.


considering how boring a flight can be, that's probably all that happened. Do you really care that he had to check in with the supervisor in the checkpoint, show his ID, and sign a form? Because other than that, they're just passengers.
 
2013-01-17 12:24:05 PM

Girion47: Tom_Slick: poot_rootbeer: My company has a policy that any statements to the public regarding company operations have to be referred to an approved spokesperson, and employees violating the policy may be terminated. I would hope that the Federal Air Marshal Service has at least as strict a policy regarding disclosure.

They do I know some Air Marshals and they are vary tight lipped about their job and what they do, most of them take their job and their security clearance very seriously.

/Normal conversation with an Air Marshal, how was work? Good flew to Miami had Lunch came home and that is all the info you will get.

considering how boring a flight can be, that's probably all that happened. Do you really care that he had to check in with the supervisor in the checkpoint, show his ID, and sign a form? Because other than that, they're just passengers.


I'm sure there's more to it, but I was never given info on that process. I was there for ergonomic assessments.
 
2013-01-17 12:24:36 PM
When your employer is a large paranoid big-brother agency, put in place out of FEAR and PARANOIA, it's no surprise that they would operate out of that same fear and paranoia.
 
2013-01-17 12:26:36 PM
TSA: Don't talk about sensitive information, no matter what.
Employee: I can talk about FAKE sensitive information.
TSA: No, seriously, don't.
Employee: Watch. I'm going to call a bunch of the next passengers completely false information: Air Marshall, Air Marshall, Air Marshall, NOT Air Marshall, Air Marshall, Air Marshall.
TSA: You see... even though 100% of your information was false, you're fired.
Fark readers: YOU CAN'T FIRE SOMEONE FOR GIVING FAKE INFORMATION!11!!!!
 
2013-01-17 12:27:06 PM

Tom_Slick: poot_rootbeer: My company has a policy that any statements to the public regarding company operations have to be referred to an approved spokesperson, and employees violating the policy may be terminated. I would hope that the Federal Air Marshal Service has at least as strict a policy regarding disclosure.

They do I know some Air Marshals and they are vary tight lipped about their job and what they do, most of them take their job and their security clearance very seriously.

/Normal conversation with an Air Marshal, how was work? Good flew to Miami had Lunch came home and that is all the info you will get.


I'm so understanding of what you say. Oh, by the way, did you know that @Chrissyteigen has about 50 of those little pin thingies. But I guess she's just good at hide and seek.
 
2013-01-17 12:30:02 PM

ds394: TSA: Don't talk about sensitive information, no matter what.
Employee: I can talk about FAKE sensitive information.
TSA: No, seriously, don't.
Employee: Watch. I'm going to call a bunch of the next passengers completely false information: Air Marshall, Air Marshall, Air Marshall, NOT Air Marshall, Air Marshall, Air Marshall.
TSA: You see... even though 100% of your information was false, you're fired.
Fark readers: YOU CAN'T FIRE SOMEONE FOR GIVING FAKE INFORMATION!11!!!!


I used to try and play spot the Air Marshall while sitting at the plane gates, there was no way to verify of course, but when you fly as much as I did you have to do something to relieve the boredom.
 
2013-01-17 12:31:28 PM
This is why they need to stop hiring GED students
 
2013-01-17 12:36:59 PM

Girion47: I used to try and play spot the Air Marshall while sitting at the plane gates, there was no way to verify of course, but when you fly as much as I did you have to do something to relieve the boredom.


I like to play "spot the GI." It's a much easier game, I think, but I probably don't fly as much as you.
 
2013-01-17 12:40:05 PM

99.998er: Damn, thought I was going to read an article about an agent finding dildos and lube and stuff and ratting the passenger out.

leaving disappointed


Don't worry. Your secret it still safe.
 
2013-01-17 12:45:51 PM

mgshamster: FTA: The content, he said, was "made up" and not based on facts.

Is there another kind of "made up"?


If you work in healthcare, for example, it's not enough to take a set of 10 records and jumble the information together - simply combining "John Steven Smith of Yakima, WA, age 33, with diabetes" with "Mary Ellen Washington of Coral Gables, FL, age 62, with high blood pressure and osteoarthritis" into ""John Steven Washington of Yakima, FL, age 62, with diabetes and osteoarthritis" and "Mary Ellen Smith of Coral Gables, WA, age 33, with high blood pressure", while "made up" is not enough to get you off the hook for violating HIPAA (as I understand the law).

In the above, the two new records are both "made up" and "based on facts". If the two new records were "Bob Robert Bobbington" and "Jamie Sue Whitaker" (and new towns/Hx info) pulled solely from your fevered imagination (and not from parts of others' medical records), they'd be "made up" and "not based on facts".

// long answer to a simple question
 
2013-01-17 12:47:45 PM
Obviously, they hire the cream of the frikking crop over there at the department of fascism.
 
2013-01-17 01:00:25 PM
I admit, I'm torn. If he wasn't releasing secrets then I have trouble justifying the firing (just because they fired him for releasing secrets). That said, I think everyone who works for the TSA should be fired, so I don't want to defend this guy.

To hell with it: liar liar pants on fire, here's your pink slip you fascist shiate.

I can actually see their point about releasing even "made up" information, however, a lot of employers (including mine) would take issue with it simply for public perception/integrity/etc reasons.
 
2013-01-17 01:00:32 PM
Even if the stories are 100% made-up, this is reasonable. He's using his employer's name in a public forum for stupid shiat. Said employer has an obligation to protect their public image, so yes they would fire his ass in a heartbeat.

Imagine if a tech support person working at Apple posted on their blog about how they work at Apple and made up a bunch of silly stories about tech support calls. Apple would not be impressed.
 
2013-01-17 01:00:36 PM

Yoyo: Girion47: I used to try and play spot the Air Marshall while sitting at the plane gates, there was no way to verify of course, but when you fly as much as I did you have to do something to relieve the boredom.

I like to play "spot the GI." It's a much easier game, I think, but I probably don't fly as much as you.


I contract for the Army now, spotting GI's on a post is too easy. I'm trying to teach myself the enlisted ranks now.
 
2013-01-17 01:04:42 PM

Tom_Slick: They do I know some Air Marshals and they are vary tight lipped about their job and what they do, most of them take their job and their security clearance very seriously.


Either that or they don't want you to give them that look you give a hopeless person.
 
2013-01-17 01:18:13 PM

Girion47: Girion47: Tom_Slick: poot_rootbeer: My company has a policy that any statements to the public regarding company operations have to be referred to an approved spokesperson, and employees violating the policy may be terminated. I would hope that the Federal Air Marshal Service has at least as strict a policy regarding disclosure.

They do I know some Air Marshals and they are vary tight lipped about their job and what they do, most of them take their job and their security clearance very seriously.

/Normal conversation with an Air Marshal, how was work? Good flew to Miami had Lunch came home and that is all the info you will get.

considering how boring a flight can be, that's probably all that happened. Do you really care that he had to check in with the supervisor in the checkpoint, show his ID, and sign a form? Because other than that, they're just passengers.

I'm sure there's more to it, but I was never given info on that process. I was there for ergonomic assessments.


No, not really. They sit on their ass and do nothing. Here is a post from the guy in TFA:

I have little to do while I am at work. As long as none of the passengers act up and the plane does not crash, I have lots of time on my hands. I do a little reading for school, read the newspaper and watch lots and I mean lots of DVDs. Morale is very low here. It seems like the managment is allways just sitting around just trying to make our day harder(dresscode, hotel stays etc.) But I can't complain to much because of the money I am making to do nothing.

http://www.realpolice.net/forums/federal-questions-51/20027-air-marsh a l-3.html
 
2013-01-17 01:18:15 PM
I refuse to believe that a TSA employee has enough imagination to make up a remotely plausible lie.

Especially not when the excuses for blatant passenger harassment are so flimsy. The only job requirement for the TSA is the ability to tell a bad lie with a straight face. Well, that and inadequate genitalia.
 
2013-01-17 01:18:48 PM
And if any other info was needed to know that TSA is totally batchit, read TFA.

TSA MUST DIE
/you know it, I know it, why does the media hide their chit?
 
2013-01-17 01:20:37 PM

snocone: And if any other info was needed to know that TSA is totally batchit, read TFA.

TSA MUST DIE
/you know it, I know it, why does the media hide their chit?


because the media flies coach.
 
2013-01-17 01:27:00 PM
2009?
Welcome to the internet, Subby. Have you heard about rick rolling yet?
 
2013-01-17 01:27:46 PM

abhorrent1: 2009?
Welcome to the internet, Subby. Have you heard about rick rolling yet?


Damn it! Wrong thread
 
2013-01-17 01:29:38 PM

abhorrent1: abhorrent1: 2009?
Welcome to the internet, Subby. Have you heard about rick rolling yet?

Damn it! Wrong thread


* pushes abhorrent1 out*
 
2013-01-17 01:30:49 PM

PullItOut: Dirk Gently nods in sympathy.


I haven't read that in ages,next up after Memory of light
 
2013-01-17 01:31:01 PM
The TSA must be BANNED!
 
2013-01-17 01:44:49 PM

Earl of Chives: Girion47: Girion47: Tom_Slick: poot_rootbeer: My company has a policy that any statements to the public regarding company operations have to be referred to an approved spokesperson, and employees violating the policy may be terminated. I would hope that the Federal Air Marshal Service has at least as strict a policy regarding disclosure.

They do I know some Air Marshals and they are vary tight lipped about their job and what they do, most of them take their job and their security clearance very seriously.

/Normal conversation with an Air Marshal, how was work? Good flew to Miami had Lunch came home and that is all the info you will get.

considering how boring a flight can be, that's probably all that happened. Do you really care that he had to check in with the supervisor in the checkpoint, show his ID, and sign a form? Because other than that, they're just passengers.

I'm sure there's more to it, but I was never given info on that process. I was there for ergonomic assessments.

No, not really. They sit on their ass and do nothing. Here is a post from the guy in TFA:

I have little to do while I am at work. As long as none of the passengers act up and the plane does not crash, I have lots of time on my hands. I do a little reading for school, read the newspaper and watch lots and I mean lots of DVDs. Morale is very low here. It seems like the managment is allways just sitting around just trying to make our day harder(dresscode, hotel stays etc.) But I can't complain to much because of the money I am making to do nothing.

http://www.realpolice.net/forums/federal-questions-51/20027-air-marsh a l-3.html


Now I see imposing a dress code as comprimising security, I would think you would want air marshalls to vary their outfits. Who's going to suspect the guy in jeans, sandals and a t-shirt as the one that will take your ass down if you try something?
 
2013-01-17 01:49:42 PM

show me: The TSA must be BANNED!


they need to be shut the fark down.
Dont' vote for anyone who thinks it's a good idea.
 
2013-01-17 02:12:24 PM
Made up anecdotes from a made up agency.

Whodathunkit?
 
2013-01-17 02:29:11 PM
This sounds like a case of "Clash of the Dooshbags."

Regardless, posting ANYTHING online next to a picture of your actual badge is a terrible, terrible idea.

While I have no love for the TSA, this sounds like a good opportunity to fire an employee with particularly poor judgement. I'm guessing this guy was a straight up PITA for EVERYONE he came in contact with.
 
2013-01-17 02:37:46 PM
Another example of why you don't put important stuff on the Internet

Cat videos and picture of your lunch: OK

Complaints about the job: Not OK
 
2013-01-17 02:39:44 PM

cefm: Statements that can be sourced by the media to an employee of the organization in question are inherently damaging as they have the appearance of authenticity.

So yes, this makes total sense.


Except thats its an internet post in a forum without his personal info to cite.
Guess we cant keep making up rumors about celebrities under names like "LindsayLohanisaNARC67" or they might start suing us for defamation of character.
 
2013-01-17 02:46:30 PM
Does it matter, as Lacson claims, that he fabricated the content of the Internet posts?

Does it matter, as Pfc. Bradley Manning claims, that the information he released was not sensitive and could not aid the enemy in any way?

Protip, guys: If it's not your job to release information DON'T RELEASE IT. No matter how fake or not sensitive it is.
 
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