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2013-01-17 11:23:47 AM  
4 votes:
Actually, this is most likely the start of a large world involvement in the region since this all stems from the Libyan civil war. African Merc forces hired by Qadaffi left Libya at the end of the war and upon returning home joined militant groups in Mali and Algeria. Currently, Mali is under a civil war with French involvement, and Algeria is target of militants because of their oil supply. Basically, we'll be in North Africa in a matter of weeks. Which means we can all make lots of Casablanca jokes.
2013-01-17 12:30:56 PM  
3 votes:
Al Jazeera is reporting the TOTAL number of hostages killed: 35 (keep in mind most of the hostages were Algerian); the U.S. media is reporting the number of FOREIGN hostages killed: 6

So these reports may not be inconsistent at all, just disagreeing over whether or not dead locals actually count as people.
2013-01-17 12:06:15 PM  
3 votes:
oh i see, douchemitter is under the impression that it was the rescue attempt that caused the deaths...and not the terrorists who you know, captured and killed them.
2013-01-17 11:41:21 AM  
3 votes:

Allen. The end.: lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here

Ah, thanks! My map is at school. I thought Mali was central-west? WIth no coastline? I may be wrong...


You are posting on the internet, and you claim to not have a map available? Seriously?
2013-01-17 11:34:15 AM  
3 votes:

MilesTeg: I'm sure the Americans who were killed will be reported as "civilian coalition losses" by the DNC controlled media.


Republicans: The biggest drama queens.
2013-01-17 11:19:52 AM  
3 votes:
An armed society is a polite society
2013-01-17 11:12:02 AM  
3 votes:
This is the reason the Algerians took their sweet time in supporting the rebels during Libya's Arab Spring. The borders were never secure, so now we have a bunch of backward Muslim fanatics running around with a huge arsenal of weapons and crazy bastardized versions of their own Sharia law they want to implement.  The French botched the rescue mission in Mali and what's happening in Algeria is pure and simple blowback.
2013-01-17 11:08:34 AM  
3 votes:
Reload from save point?

/sorry
2013-01-17 01:40:42 PM  
2 votes:
I'm actually surprised this doesn't happen more often. There are thousands of soft targets all over Africa.

This looks like the people in question didn't really plan this very well. The Algerian government just killed everyone, which is most likely not the outcome that the kidnappers wanted.

Guns w/o brains = death.

On the plus side, this sort of thing won't be happening in Algeria anytime soon.
2013-01-17 11:43:12 AM  
2 votes:

YixilTesiphon: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

No it isn't...

Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?


Is Mali really the Middle East?

original.antiwar.com
2013-01-17 11:20:11 AM  
2 votes:
So they just decided to send a helicopter gunship after a random convoy leaving the militant compound?
Is that on the assumption that the militants are too stupid to take their human shields *with them* as they move about?
Or simply not caring and/or considering whether they might?
2013-01-17 11:19:16 AM  
2 votes:

factoryconnection: So the terrorists lost their leader and all their fighters in the operation after murdering a bunch of gas-plant workers and threatening governments with more murders? I'm deeply saddened for the murder victims, all of whose deaths are the fault of the terrorists, but I don't think the terrorist group gets to blame anyone for hostage deaths but themselves.

"Really, if you'd just have let us roll on out of here, they would have been totally safe and definitely not murdered on video to be uploaded to YouTube as a bargaining chip. Really!"


I don't get the whole calling it a botched rescue. These things don't always have a happy ending. Saying it was botched makes it seem like it was the rescuers fault when it was the terrorists fault who took them hostage in the first place.
2013-01-17 11:18:30 AM  
2 votes:
If violent games have taught me anything, it's that: as long as half of the hostages make is back to the cap point...

Counter Terrorists win.
2013-01-17 11:16:11 AM  
2 votes:
I should have also added that this is the ultra-early stages of a major international incident, and any "details" we get at this point are sketchy at best.
2013-01-17 11:13:57 AM  
2 votes:
See what happens when the French don't surrender.
2013-01-17 11:13:23 AM  
2 votes:
Okay so earlier this morning NPR reported that the hostages had escaped, and BBC was reporting that it's unclear what has happened (9am EST).

According to TFA: "Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in southern Algeria, according to the group holding the hostages."

Sooo, which is it?
2013-01-17 11:10:57 AM  
2 votes:
They still have some hostages it seems. So the question is: Seal Team 6 or drop a bomb and send your heartfelt condolensces to the families. Don't negotiate with these scum.
2013-01-17 06:38:34 PM  
1 votes:
Oh, and it's fun watching the anti-Obama nuts somehow confuse the Algerian military with the American military and try to blame Obama for a botched raid by another country...
2013-01-17 05:53:39 PM  
1 votes:

dabbletech: That gas field should have had an armed guard or teacher or something.


According to Facebook all you need is an unarmed Marine to symbolically stand guard out front.
2013-01-17 04:11:26 PM  
1 votes:

Ego edo infantia cattus: Mad_Season: [www.ghostrecon.net image 412x284]

First thing I thought of.

// Played the original Ghost Recon WAY too much.
/// Going to reinstall it when I get home.

Realy?
So what your saying is that this news gets you all hot under the collar for your FPS game?
[www.onehorseshy.com image 480x290]


Hey, Ghost Recon WAS AWESOME!
2013-01-17 04:01:31 PM  
1 votes:
I love the Fox News coverage. The minute it wasn't the worst case scenario, they bumped it off the top of the page for 'Obama gonna take mah gunz!'
2013-01-17 03:32:26 PM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: netcentric: We better not take news sources too seriously, they often get it wrong.

We should wait till we hear information from the US State Dept.

They will know what is going on....

LOL.

What a mess, I think Obama's a lousy president, but situations like this are a pain in the ass for any president to deal with. No less of a pain in this age of constant spin.

Good luck, POTUS, you'll need it.


What does Obama have to do with this? Algeria farked up.
2013-01-17 03:22:49 PM  
1 votes:

Mad_Season: www.ghostrecon.net

First thing I thought of.

// Played the original Ghost Recon WAY too much.
/// Going to reinstall it when I get home.


Realy?
So what your saying is that this news gets you all hot under the collar for your FPS game?
www.onehorseshy.com
2013-01-17 03:13:04 PM  
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: They were commies? I thought that was limited to Yemen in Islamic countries? Btw are you a native or like the black feet French who lived there?


Not Commies but we were part of the Socialist countries allied with the USSR. Algeria gained independence from France at the height of the Cold War and Algerian leaders found common ground with several Socialist leaders and espoused many of their political and economical views. It's simply the story of a fledgling young nation trying to figure out how to proceed and making very, very stupid mistakes along the way.

Here's a 1962 photo of Che and Castro with Ben Bella, the first Algerian president:
img339.imageshack.us

As for your second question, my parents consider themselves native but we can trace our roots back to the Moors kicked out of Spain during the Spanish Inquisition.  The original natives of Algeria are the Berber/Amazigh people.  As complex as Mediterranean migration usually goes, Algeria had the Visigoths, Greeks, Turks, Arabs, Spaniards and French, so "native" really depended on how well they integrated into the society.
2013-01-17 02:50:52 PM  
1 votes:
Ok I mat be slow on the uptake on this one but neither of the two articles I have read on this mention the US other than 2 Americans were taken hostage/ killed whatever not very clear. And one of the articles labels this as "/us-sahara-crisis-idUSBRE90". Other than having citizens kidnapped /killed wtf do we have to do with it anyway?
2013-01-17 01:44:22 PM  
1 votes:

YixilTesiphon: I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

No it isn't...

Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

[original.antiwar.com image 461x461]

Middle East and North Africa are pretty commonly grouped together by people with no sense of geography.


FIFY
//Algeria is west of Italy
2013-01-17 01:15:50 PM  
1 votes:

macadamnut: lumiere: Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.

I heard they bombed some towns and killed an indeterminate number of unidentified people, so maybe the real problem is your too narrow definition of success.


Perhaps you should question premature information and your sources:

img690.imageshack.us

Unfortunately, the interactive version in English is not working on Le Monde, so I had to post the French one.  But here's the link in case they fix it.

FullMetalPanda: macadamnut: lumiere: Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.

I heard they bombed some towns and killed an indeterminate number of unidentified people, so maybe the real problem is your too narrow definition of success.

They didn't eject and surrender immediately so I think that was a success.


Relatively speaking, maybe, but it's still way too soon to tell.
2013-01-17 12:43:32 PM  
1 votes:

squidgod2000: lumiere:  The French botched the rescue mission in Mali and what's happening in Algeria is pure and simple blowback.

That was Somolia, not Mali.


I'm not talking about the Denis Allex affair in Somalia. Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.  But agreed, I should not have used the word 'rescue' despite the fact that it's a clear mission to protect their gas interests in Algeria by intervening in Mali. Algeria is one of the leading suppliers of natural gas to Europe and they cannot afford for anyone to disrupt that.
2013-01-17 12:12:41 PM  
1 votes:

Brick-House: Well...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x187]

is just now starting to report on this story.


Give them a break, they needed time to figure out how to make it Obama's fault.
2013-01-17 12:08:36 PM  
1 votes:
Remember when terrorists had special training and disguises and stuff? Now all you have to do is throw rocks at a bank.
2013-01-17 12:03:54 PM  
1 votes:
Further proof that no one is immune to Irish charm.
2013-01-17 11:57:29 AM  
1 votes:
i1.cpcache.com
2013-01-17 11:53:18 AM  
1 votes:

CheetahOlivetti: It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy


Damn you, Dragon Reborn!
2013-01-17 11:52:12 AM  
1 votes:
They took notes from Jimmy Carters play book.
2013-01-17 11:47:14 AM  
1 votes:

I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

original.antiwar.com


HAHA!

Looks like someone needs a geology lesson.
2013-01-17 11:45:38 AM  
1 votes:
"As recently as last year it seemed that he was turning the last stronghold of al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the mountains up in the north where the Berber people are natives, against those Arabs that have been coming in from outside," he said. "The Algerian authorities have been enjoying significant successes in targeting al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb leaders."

Is Justin OK?
2013-01-17 11:44:29 AM  
1 votes:
If only those hostages had been armed, this wouldn't've happened.
2013-01-17 11:44:29 AM  
1 votes:

FLMountainMan: lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here

Man, I've always wanted to visit Algeria. Seriously. It's my understanding that most of these troubles are concentrated in the southern regions, and the northern areas are pretty safe, right?


Actually, the biggest Northern cities (Algiers, Oran and Constantine) have had their fair share of attacks by Islamic fundamentalists, especially during La décennie noire, the Black Decade in the 1990s.  During this time, the oilfields in the South were heavily protected by both foreign and Algerian forces to protect oil and gas interests.

The problem in the South of Algeria has now been exasperated by renegade Islamic fundamentalists who have escaped Algerian forces, and some who have crept in from Libya, the Western Sahara and now, Mali.  The main oilfields, like Hassi Messoud and Rhourde El Baguel are still very heavily protected.

Yes, Algeria is a beautiful country but sadly, they aren't used to tourists and have a very backwards infrastructure to be able to sustain the same levels of tourism neighboring Morocco and Tunisia have.  This was made worse given the fact Algeria still has large remnants of a dinosaur socialist society (too many streets there are named after Che Guevara and Fidel Castro and they still have strong ties with Eastern bloc countries).

A friend of mine sent this to me just recently about a fellow classmate, thought I'd share:

"Hi, My name is [redacted] and I am in the Distance MBA program; this is my 10th class. It has been a long journey but I am more the half way finished. I am in the U.S. Coast Guard where I am currently serving as a Law Enforcement instructor at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in [redacted but I live in Durango, Colorado.
My job has taken me all over the world, as has private travel as well. The most interesting place I have been to, three times now, is Algeria. I would probably have never have paid my own way here, but I have gone for work. The country is unique in that they are a strong partner for the U.S. in a troubled area of the world; they are also a large trading partner... oil. I particularly enjoy the effect that their alliance with Russia during the cold war still has on their government thoughts and behaviors."
2013-01-17 11:41:09 AM  
1 votes:
FTA: "Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in southern Algeria, according to the group holding the hostages."

Because I'm sure their reporting is reliable. Or as Fox News calls it, "Fair and Balanced".
2013-01-17 11:32:13 AM  
1 votes:
That's a damn shame.
2013-01-17 11:31:58 AM  
1 votes:

UNC_Samurai: Yep, you showed the world just how good your counter-terrorism capabilities are!


National sovereignty is still a thing, terrorists or no. It sucks that good guys have to follow rules while bad guys get to improvise - the burden of being right, as it were.

// alternatively, we could sneak in and kill everyone (except hostages)
// where's SEAL Team 6?
2013-01-17 11:29:49 AM  
1 votes:
I would have submitted this with the headline "Hostages killed in rescue operation. This is not a repeat from 1972."
2013-01-17 11:26:30 AM  
1 votes:
They could have worked harder on a name. The "Masked Brigade"? Really phoning it in, guys.
2013-01-17 11:24:50 AM  
1 votes:

lumiere: a bunch of backward Muslim fanatics running around with a huge arsenal of weapons and crazy bastardized versions of their own Sharia law they want to implement.



...but enough about the new Egyptian government. In other news...
2013-01-17 11:21:43 AM  
1 votes:

Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?


Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here
2013-01-17 11:18:34 AM  
1 votes:

mgshamster: make me some tea: Okay so earlier this morning NPR reported that the hostages had escaped, and BBC was reporting that it's unclear what has happened (9am EST).

According to TFA: "Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in southern Algeria, according to the group holding the hostages."

Sooo, which is it?

According to the article, 45 people managed to escape, 49 people have been killed, and 7 are still held captive.


I should add: Article also says there were 20 assailants. That means there are 5 left still holding the 7 captive, if all is accurate.

/That's a big if
//Early stages, likely a lot of inaccurate reporting
2013-01-17 11:17:25 AM  
1 votes:

The Singing Bush: rmz: Thanks, Obama.

30 seconds

*shakes fist*


I guess I missed the part where it says that U.S. forces were involved. I will have to read it again I suppose.
2013-01-17 11:16:48 AM  
1 votes:
It is sad, but at least they didn't negotiate. If we have to send a message, at least its "your terrorist operation wasn't successful"
2013-01-17 11:16:09 AM  
1 votes:
Well, fark.
2013-01-17 11:13:21 AM  
1 votes:
Should have made the area a Gun Free Zone.
2013-01-17 11:12:53 AM  
1 votes:

Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?


i don't know if that's an accurate description.
2013-01-17 11:11:58 AM  
1 votes:

The Singing Bush: I'm sure this is all Obama's fault.


If only he had approved requests for more security from BP and called this a terrorist act instead of a hostage situation, Jesus wouldn't have let these brave foreigners di... Oh wait, I'm being told that this is God's punishment to them for being socialists. Carry on.
2013-01-17 11:10:09 AM  
1 votes:
I'm sure this is all Obama's fault.
 
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