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2013-01-17 11:20:42 AM  
Obviously hasn't happened. I've been watching CNN all morning and they only talk about Te'o, the only thing to happen in the last 48 hours.
 
2013-01-17 11:20:52 AM  
Nuke Mecca and Medina as payback. That'll get their attention.
 
2013-01-17 11:21:14 AM  

netcentric: We better not take news sources too seriously, they often get it wrong.

We should wait till we hear information from the US State Dept.

They will know what is going on....


LOL.

What a mess, I think Obama's a lousy president, but situations like this are a pain in the ass for any president to deal with. No less of a pain in this age of constant spin.

Good luck, POTUS, you'll need it.
 
2013-01-17 11:21:20 AM  

Bit'O'Gristle: cgraves67: They still have some hostages it seems. So the question is: Seal Team 6 or drop a bomb and send your heartfelt condolensces to the families. Don't negotiate with these scum.

/Sad, but you're right. They were probably going to kill them anyway. The government wont negotiate with scumbag terrorists.


Who's up for soup?
 
2013-01-17 11:21:25 AM  
Bbc has the same numbers, but that they got them from "militants."
 
2013-01-17 11:21:26 AM  
This is not BP's decade.
 
2013-01-17 11:21:43 AM  

Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?


Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here
 
2013-01-17 11:21:46 AM  
That was the most confusing article I've read in a long time. So and so says this many are dead, but so and so says this many are dead. Basically we have no idea what has happened
 
2013-01-17 11:22:13 AM  

maxximillian: I don't get the whole calling it a botched rescue.


Simplify.
 
2013-01-17 11:22:19 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: Nuke Mecca and Medina as payback. That'll get their attention.


Nothing pisses off West Africans as much as killing Arabs!
 
2013-01-17 11:22:43 AM  

maxximillian: factoryconnection: So the terrorists lost their leader and all their fighters in the operation after murdering a bunch of gas-plant workers and threatening governments with more murders? I'm deeply saddened for the murder victims, all of whose deaths are the fault of the terrorists, but I don't think the terrorist group gets to blame anyone for hostage deaths but themselves.

"Really, if you'd just have let us roll on out of here, they would have been totally safe and definitely not murdered on video to be uploaded to YouTube as a bargaining chip. Really!"

I don't get the whole calling it a botched rescue. These things don't always have a happy ending. Saying it was botched makes it seem like it was the rescuers fault when it was the terrorists fault who took them hostage in the first place.


Responsibility, how does it work?
 
2013-01-17 11:23:47 AM  
Actually, this is most likely the start of a large world involvement in the region since this all stems from the Libyan civil war. African Merc forces hired by Qadaffi left Libya at the end of the war and upon returning home joined militant groups in Mali and Algeria. Currently, Mali is under a civil war with French involvement, and Algeria is target of militants because of their oil supply. Basically, we'll be in North Africa in a matter of weeks. Which means we can all make lots of Casablanca jokes.
 
2013-01-17 11:23:50 AM  

Persnickety: An armed society is a polite society


So pointing out that the deaths were the responsibility of the Algeria military's overzealous pursuit of the hostage takers, does that make it more like Waco? or can we stop the silliness and declare you a troll and move on to passing along condolences to the families of the hostages?
 
2013-01-17 11:24:30 AM  

megalynn44: That was the most confusing article I've read in a long time. So and so says this many are dead, but so and so says this many are dead. Basically we have no idea what has happened


Yeah that's what I got out of it too. Guess we'll have to wait until things settle down and the facts get straightened out.
 
2013-01-17 11:24:50 AM  

lumiere: a bunch of backward Muslim fanatics running around with a huge arsenal of weapons and crazy bastardized versions of their own Sharia law they want to implement.



...but enough about the new Egyptian government. In other news...
 
2013-01-17 11:24:52 AM  

maxximillian: factoryconnection: So the terrorists lost their leader and all their fighters in the operation after murdering a bunch of gas-plant workers and threatening governments with more murders? I'm deeply saddened for the murder victims, all of whose deaths are the fault of the terrorists, but I don't think the terrorist group gets to blame anyone for hostage deaths but themselves.

"Really, if you'd just have let us roll on out of here, they would have been totally safe and definitely not murdered on video to be uploaded to YouTube as a bargaining chip. Really!"

I don't get the whole calling it a botched rescue. These things don't always have a happy ending. Saying it was botched makes it seem like it was the rescuers fault when it was the terrorists fault who took them hostage in the first place.


From the San Francisco Chronicle:

"President Barack Obama's government offered military assistance Wednesday to help rescue the hostages, but the Algerian government refused, a U.S. official said in Washington. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the offer."

Yep, you showed the world just how good your counter-terrorism capabilities are!
 
2013-01-17 11:25:22 AM  

Shrapnel: Reload from save point?

/sorry


godammitsomuch

took me a moment & i'm a gamer

so i'm saddened by the even & disappointed in myself
 
2013-01-17 11:25:31 AM  

lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here


Man, I've always wanted to visit Algeria. Seriously. It's my understanding that most of these troubles are concentrated in the southern regions, and the northern areas are pretty safe, right?
 
2013-01-17 11:25:32 AM  

gunsmack: 'killed' ?


I was confused about that too. Maybe it meant that they did really well at open mic night.
 
2013-01-17 11:26:30 AM  

Jeremysbrain: Reuters is saying only 6 were killed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/us-sahara-crisis-idUSBRE90F 1 JJ20130117


There's a lot of "get the story out first" going on again with this situation. I've seen all sorts of numbers with casualties, from 35 killed to only six, while media sources like BBC are saying "we're not sure". Apparently the Algierian army has helicopters shooting down into the plant; not a good way to tell hostage from hostage takers, IMO.
 
2013-01-17 11:26:30 AM  
They could have worked harder on a name. The "Masked Brigade"? Really phoning it in, guys.
 
2013-01-17 11:28:16 AM  
Should have called Rainbow.

What do you mean by "Tom Clancy is fiction"? You trying' to tell me that Jack Ryan isn't President?!
 
2013-01-17 11:28:54 AM  

hdhale: Persnickety: An armed society is a polite society

So pointing out that the deaths were the responsibility of the Algeria military's overzealous pursuit of the hostage takers, does that make it more like Waco? or can we stop the silliness and declare you a troll and move on to passing along condolences to the families of the hostages?


Do you know how I know you are not a gun owner?
 
2013-01-17 11:29:49 AM  
I would have submitted this with the headline "Hostages killed in rescue operation. This is not a repeat from 1972."
 
2013-01-17 11:30:03 AM  
Algerian government is saying the 35 number is not true. That # is coming from the bad guys. The news media strikes again, reporting something that gives them a great headline without bothering to confirm it.
 
2013-01-17 11:30:25 AM  
I'm sure the Americans who were killed will be reported as "civilian coalition losses" by the DNC controlled media.
 
2013-01-17 11:30:39 AM  

Dr Dreidel: This is not BP's decade.


Does anyone expect BP's response to be anything but ruthless and botched?
 
2013-01-17 11:30:41 AM  
What new laws can we enact to insure something like this never happens again?
 
2013-01-17 11:31:14 AM  

WippitGuud: If violent games have taught me anything, it's that: as long as half of the hostages make is back to the cap point...

Counter Terrorists win.


And the Terrorists lost a lot of money killing the hostages, so they won't be able to buy anything good in the next round. That should make things easier for us.
 
2013-01-17 11:31:58 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Yep, you showed the world just how good your counter-terrorism capabilities are!


National sovereignty is still a thing, terrorists or no. It sucks that good guys have to follow rules while bad guys get to improvise - the burden of being right, as it were.

// alternatively, we could sneak in and kill everyone (except hostages)
// where's SEAL Team 6?
 
2013-01-17 11:32:13 AM  
That's a damn shame.
 
2013-01-17 11:32:17 AM  
"according tot he group holding the hostages" is really all you need to know for now.
 
2013-01-17 11:32:31 AM  
Well, they had to do something!
 
2013-01-17 11:32:34 AM  

ringersol: So they just decided to send a helicopter gunship after a random convoy leaving the militant compound?
Is that on the assumption that the militants are too stupid to take their human shields *with them* as they move about?
Or simply not caring and/or considering whether they might?


As an anti-terror op, this was massively successful. Lots of terrorists, including the charismatic leader are toast while most of the hostages were freed without the gigantic gas operation being downgraded to "crater" status. Terrorist groups have got to look at the "f*ck with Algeria" strategy as a bad one.

As a rescue, yeah it needs work, but killing off all those terrorists saves lives in the long run and you can't just insert our Western, sanctity-of-life mindset into the minds of the players on either side of this equation.
 
2013-01-17 11:32:49 AM  
My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

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2013-01-17 11:33:37 AM  

Sock Ruh Tease: WippitGuud: If violent games have taught me anything, it's that: as long as half of the hostages make is back to the cap point...

Counter Terrorists win.

And the Terrorists lost a lot of money killing the hostages, so they won't be able to buy anything good in the next round. That should make things easier for us.


Did Global Offensive add vehicles?
 
2013-01-17 11:34:15 AM  

MilesTeg: I'm sure the Americans who were killed will be reported as "civilian coalition losses" by the DNC controlled media.


Republicans: The biggest drama queens.
 
2013-01-17 11:34:18 AM  

lumiere: so now we have a bunch of backward Muslim fanatics running around with a huge arsenal of weapons and crazy bastardized versions of their own Sharia law they want to implement.


All they wanted was for us to put God back in schools and for the Ten Commandments to be displayed at the courthouse. What's so wrong about that?
 
2013-01-17 11:35:03 AM  

UNC_Samurai: Sock Ruh Tease: WippitGuud: If violent games have taught me anything, it's that: as long as half of the hostages make is back to the cap point...

Counter Terrorists win.

And the Terrorists lost a lot of money killing the hostages, so they won't be able to buy anything good in the next round. That should make things easier for us.

Did Global Offensive add vehicles?


Only ever played the original. The wife doesn't like me playing FPS games around the kids, so I moved on to other games.
 
2013-01-17 11:35:05 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: Algerian government is saying the 35 number is not true. That # is coming from the bad guys. The news media strikes again, reporting something that gives them a great headline without bothering to confirm it.


The same terrorists that promised to murder every hostage if they were challenged, no less? Yeah, they're totally trustworthy!
 
2013-01-17 11:35:28 AM  

TomD9938: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

North Dakota is looking better and better.


As are bicycles, trains, and Jimmy Carter sweaters, but we can't have any of that.
 
2013-01-17 11:35:29 AM  

Dr Dreidel: UNC_Samurai: Yep, you showed the world just how good your counter-terrorism capabilities are!

National sovereignty is still a thing, terrorists or no. It sucks that good guys have to follow rules while bad guys get to improvise - the burden of being right, as it were.

// alternatively, we could sneak in and kill everyone (except hostages)
// where's SEAL Team 6?


No, I completely agree. It's very reassuring to see this administration's reluctance toward unilateral military action.
 
2013-01-17 11:36:01 AM  
Thanks France.
 
2013-01-17 11:36:15 AM  

pute kisses like a man: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

i don't know if that's an accurate description.


Sub-Medeterrenean Africa?
 
2013-01-17 11:36:57 AM  
Therion: "Does anyone expect BP's response to be anything but ruthless and botched?"

Perhaps it's my naivete regarding the region, but are you suggesting that BP is directing military responses?

Though I can't see them lobbying *against* any proposed ruthless option, in any event.
Ransom vs Life Insurance Policy is a tragic but direct business concern.

/ One imagines that this situation came about largely because "Cost of Effective Security vs (Chance of Raid * Cost of Raid)" was also calculated up-front
 
2013-01-17 11:37:53 AM  
www.superhqwallpapers.com

Very sad.
 
2013-01-17 11:38:03 AM  

Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?


No it isn't...

Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?
 
2013-01-17 11:38:32 AM  

Arn_Dee: Thanks France.


If not for the United States' technical advice, France would be speaking Malinese right now.
 
2013-01-17 11:38:59 AM  

maxheck: The Singing Bush:

I'm sure this is all Obama's fault.

Is Algeria a scandal yet?


Nope. Panetta clearly called it a Terrorist Attack and Susan Rice is keeping her mouth shut.

/
 
2013-01-17 11:39:24 AM  

lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here


Malians like Yoda speak?
 
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