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2013-01-17 11:08:28 AM
'killed' ?
 
2013-01-17 11:08:34 AM
Reload from save point?

/sorry
 
2013-01-17 11:08:42 AM
I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?
 
2013-01-17 11:08:42 AM
Gun control. Now.
 
2013-01-17 11:08:56 AM

Shrapnel: Reload from save point?

/sorry


I lol'ed
 
rmz
2013-01-17 11:09:39 AM
Thanks, Obama.

In all seriousness, though, god damn it. That's really unfortunate. :(
 
2013-01-17 11:09:44 AM
Reuters is saying only 6 were killed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/us-sahara-crisis-idUSBRE90F 1 JJ20130117
 
2013-01-17 11:09:45 AM
www.hasbro.com
 
2013-01-17 11:10:09 AM
I'm sure this is all Obama's fault.
 
2013-01-17 11:10:25 AM
35 hostages and only 15 terrorists killed? Was Jimmy Carter in command of Spetznz troops?
 
2013-01-17 11:10:37 AM
So, two Britons, a Frenchman, a Kenyan, and an Irishman walk out of an Algerian gas field...
 
2013-01-17 11:10:52 AM
Well at least Algeria is easier to spell than Benghazi.
 
2013-01-17 11:10:57 AM
They still have some hostages it seems. So the question is: Seal Team 6 or drop a bomb and send your heartfelt condolensces to the families. Don't negotiate with these scum.
 
2013-01-17 11:11:14 AM
The machine never stops, not for me, not for you.....
 
2013-01-17 11:11:39 AM
Damn damn damn. I was so hoping this would turn out better.
 
2013-01-17 11:11:58 AM

The Singing Bush: I'm sure this is all Obama's fault.


If only he had approved requests for more security from BP and called this a terrorist act instead of a hostage situation, Jesus wouldn't have let these brave foreigners di... Oh wait, I'm being told that this is God's punishment to them for being socialists. Carry on.
 
2013-01-17 11:12:01 AM
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2013-01-17 11:12:02 AM
This is the reason the Algerians took their sweet time in supporting the rebels during Libya's Arab Spring. The borders were never secure, so now we have a bunch of backward Muslim fanatics running around with a huge arsenal of weapons and crazy bastardized versions of their own Sharia law they want to implement.  The French botched the rescue mission in Mali and what's happening in Algeria is pure and simple blowback.
 
2013-01-17 11:12:50 AM
FTA: Algerian media, citing officials, reported that 15 foreigners and 30 Algerians had managed to escape.

FTA: ANI, which has been in constant contact with the al-Qaeda-affiliated kidnappers, said seven hostages were still being held: two Americans, three Belgians, one Japanese and one British citizen.

Looks like about 45 people managed to get out, and 7 are still being held captive.
 
2013-01-17 11:12:53 AM

Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?


i don't know if that's an accurate description.
 
2013-01-17 11:12:56 AM

Shrapnel: Reload from save point?

/sorry


Bravo, sir
 
2013-01-17 11:13:09 AM

rmz: Thanks, Obama.


30 seconds

*shakes fist*
 
2013-01-17 11:13:21 AM
Should have made the area a Gun Free Zone.
 
2013-01-17 11:13:23 AM
Okay so earlier this morning NPR reported that the hostages had escaped, and BBC was reporting that it's unclear what has happened (9am EST).

According to TFA: "Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in southern Algeria, according to the group holding the hostages."

Sooo, which is it?
 
2013-01-17 11:13:57 AM
See what happens when the French don't surrender.
 
2013-01-17 11:14:08 AM
So the terrorists lost their leader and all their fighters in the operation after murdering a bunch of gas-plant workers and threatening governments with more murders? I'm deeply saddened for the murder victims, all of whose deaths are the fault of the terrorists, but I don't think the terrorist group gets to blame anyone for hostage deaths but themselves.

"Really, if you'd just have let us roll on out of here, they would have been totally safe and definitely not murdered on video to be uploaded to YouTube as a bargaining chip. Really!"
 
2013-01-17 11:14:10 AM

gunsmack: 'killed' ?


This was my immediate thought:

farm1.staticflickr.com
Killface: Why does it say welcome to you are doom? What does that even mean? And why for god sake is doom in quotes?
Valerie: I don't know.
Killface: Is it some sort of ironic doom? Is the wink implied?
 
2013-01-17 11:14:28 AM
Pop quiz hot shot
 
2013-01-17 11:14:28 AM

make me some tea: Okay so earlier this morning NPR reported that the hostages had escaped, and BBC was reporting that it's unclear what has happened (9am EST).

According to TFA: "Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in southern Algeria, according to the group holding the hostages."

Sooo, which is it?


I've seen the number 45 thrown around as the total number of hostages. Maybe some escaped, and the rest were killed?
 
2013-01-17 11:15:20 AM

gunsmack: 'killed' ?


that's what i was scratching my head about too
 
2013-01-17 11:15:54 AM

make me some tea: Okay so earlier this morning NPR reported that the hostages had escaped, and BBC was reporting that it's unclear what has happened (9am EST).

According to TFA: "Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in southern Algeria, according to the group holding the hostages."

Sooo, which is it?


According to the article, 45 people managed to escape, 49 people have been killed, and 7 are still held captive.
 
2013-01-17 11:16:08 AM

cgraves67: They still have some hostages it seems. So the question is: Seal Team 6 or drop a bomb and send your heartfelt condolensces to the families. Don't negotiate with these scum.


That's one way to avoid hostage situations. Cold, but effective.
 
2013-01-17 11:16:09 AM
Well, fark.
 
2013-01-17 11:16:11 AM
I should have also added that this is the ultra-early stages of a major international incident, and any "details" we get at this point are sketchy at best.
 
2013-01-17 11:16:45 AM
Some people have bad gas, some people want gas badly.
 
2013-01-17 11:16:48 AM
It is sad, but at least they didn't negotiate. If we have to send a message, at least its "your terrorist operation wasn't successful"
 
2013-01-17 11:16:55 AM
We better not take news sources too seriously, they often get it wrong.

We should wait till we hear information from the US State Dept.

They will know what is going on....
 
2013-01-17 11:17:25 AM

The Singing Bush: rmz: Thanks, Obama.

30 seconds

*shakes fist*


I guess I missed the part where it says that U.S. forces were involved. I will have to read it again I suppose.
 
2013-01-17 11:17:29 AM
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Damn.
 
2013-01-17 11:17:44 AM

cgraves67: They still have some hostages it seems. So the question is: Seal Team 6 or drop a bomb and send your heartfelt condolensces to the families. Don't negotiate with these scum.


/Sad, but you're right. They were probably going to kill them anyway. The government wont negotiate with scumbag terrorists.
 
2013-01-17 11:18:01 AM

Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?


North Dakota is looking better and better.
 
2013-01-17 11:18:30 AM
If violent games have taught me anything, it's that: as long as half of the hostages make is back to the cap point...

Counter Terrorists win.
 
2013-01-17 11:18:34 AM

mgshamster: make me some tea: Okay so earlier this morning NPR reported that the hostages had escaped, and BBC was reporting that it's unclear what has happened (9am EST).

According to TFA: "Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in southern Algeria, according to the group holding the hostages."

Sooo, which is it?

According to the article, 45 people managed to escape, 49 people have been killed, and 7 are still held captive.


I should add: Article also says there were 20 assailants. That means there are 5 left still holding the 7 captive, if all is accurate.

/That's a big if
//Early stages, likely a lot of inaccurate reporting
 
2013-01-17 11:18:45 AM
The Singing Bush:

I'm sure this is all Obama's fault.

Is Algeria a scandal yet?
 
2013-01-17 11:18:54 AM
...Algerian government helicopter attack on a convoy transporting hostages and kidnappers.

I'm down with 'First, shoot the hostages' but blasting away from helicopters is pretty hardcore. Since there are still some hostages and kidnappers, is France going to nuke them from orbit?
 
2013-01-17 11:19:16 AM

factoryconnection: So the terrorists lost their leader and all their fighters in the operation after murdering a bunch of gas-plant workers and threatening governments with more murders? I'm deeply saddened for the murder victims, all of whose deaths are the fault of the terrorists, but I don't think the terrorist group gets to blame anyone for hostage deaths but themselves.

"Really, if you'd just have let us roll on out of here, they would have been totally safe and definitely not murdered on video to be uploaded to YouTube as a bargaining chip. Really!"


I don't get the whole calling it a botched rescue. These things don't always have a happy ending. Saying it was botched makes it seem like it was the rescuers fault when it was the terrorists fault who took them hostage in the first place.
 
2013-01-17 11:19:52 AM
An armed society is a polite society
 
2013-01-17 11:20:11 AM
So they just decided to send a helicopter gunship after a random convoy leaving the militant compound?
Is that on the assumption that the militants are too stupid to take their human shields *with them* as they move about?
Or simply not caring and/or considering whether they might?
 
2013-01-17 11:20:14 AM
According to a Mauritanian news source, the Algerians attacked the hostage site with helicopters. Does this mean the hostages were killed in the crossfire, or were they executed as retaliation for the attack?

The only combat helicopters in the Algerian Air Force are Mi-24s. Looks like HINDsight is not 20-20.
 
2013-01-17 11:20:20 AM
I bet the terrorists did this!
 
2013-01-17 11:20:42 AM
Obviously hasn't happened. I've been watching CNN all morning and they only talk about Te'o, the only thing to happen in the last 48 hours.
 
2013-01-17 11:20:52 AM
Nuke Mecca and Medina as payback. That'll get their attention.
 
2013-01-17 11:21:14 AM

netcentric: We better not take news sources too seriously, they often get it wrong.

We should wait till we hear information from the US State Dept.

They will know what is going on....


LOL.

What a mess, I think Obama's a lousy president, but situations like this are a pain in the ass for any president to deal with. No less of a pain in this age of constant spin.

Good luck, POTUS, you'll need it.
 
2013-01-17 11:21:20 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: cgraves67: They still have some hostages it seems. So the question is: Seal Team 6 or drop a bomb and send your heartfelt condolensces to the families. Don't negotiate with these scum.

/Sad, but you're right. They were probably going to kill them anyway. The government wont negotiate with scumbag terrorists.


Who's up for soup?
 
2013-01-17 11:21:25 AM
Bbc has the same numbers, but that they got them from "militants."
 
2013-01-17 11:21:26 AM
This is not BP's decade.
 
2013-01-17 11:21:43 AM

Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?


Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here
 
2013-01-17 11:21:46 AM
That was the most confusing article I've read in a long time. So and so says this many are dead, but so and so says this many are dead. Basically we have no idea what has happened
 
2013-01-17 11:22:13 AM

maxximillian: I don't get the whole calling it a botched rescue.


Simplify.
 
2013-01-17 11:22:19 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Nuke Mecca and Medina as payback. That'll get their attention.


Nothing pisses off West Africans as much as killing Arabs!
 
2013-01-17 11:22:43 AM

maxximillian: factoryconnection: So the terrorists lost their leader and all their fighters in the operation after murdering a bunch of gas-plant workers and threatening governments with more murders? I'm deeply saddened for the murder victims, all of whose deaths are the fault of the terrorists, but I don't think the terrorist group gets to blame anyone for hostage deaths but themselves.

"Really, if you'd just have let us roll on out of here, they would have been totally safe and definitely not murdered on video to be uploaded to YouTube as a bargaining chip. Really!"

I don't get the whole calling it a botched rescue. These things don't always have a happy ending. Saying it was botched makes it seem like it was the rescuers fault when it was the terrorists fault who took them hostage in the first place.


Responsibility, how does it work?
 
2013-01-17 11:23:47 AM
Actually, this is most likely the start of a large world involvement in the region since this all stems from the Libyan civil war. African Merc forces hired by Qadaffi left Libya at the end of the war and upon returning home joined militant groups in Mali and Algeria. Currently, Mali is under a civil war with French involvement, and Algeria is target of militants because of their oil supply. Basically, we'll be in North Africa in a matter of weeks. Which means we can all make lots of Casablanca jokes.
 
2013-01-17 11:23:50 AM

Persnickety: An armed society is a polite society


So pointing out that the deaths were the responsibility of the Algeria military's overzealous pursuit of the hostage takers, does that make it more like Waco? or can we stop the silliness and declare you a troll and move on to passing along condolences to the families of the hostages?
 
2013-01-17 11:24:30 AM

megalynn44: That was the most confusing article I've read in a long time. So and so says this many are dead, but so and so says this many are dead. Basically we have no idea what has happened


Yeah that's what I got out of it too. Guess we'll have to wait until things settle down and the facts get straightened out.
 
2013-01-17 11:24:50 AM

lumiere: a bunch of backward Muslim fanatics running around with a huge arsenal of weapons and crazy bastardized versions of their own Sharia law they want to implement.



...but enough about the new Egyptian government. In other news...
 
2013-01-17 11:24:52 AM

maxximillian: factoryconnection: So the terrorists lost their leader and all their fighters in the operation after murdering a bunch of gas-plant workers and threatening governments with more murders? I'm deeply saddened for the murder victims, all of whose deaths are the fault of the terrorists, but I don't think the terrorist group gets to blame anyone for hostage deaths but themselves.

"Really, if you'd just have let us roll on out of here, they would have been totally safe and definitely not murdered on video to be uploaded to YouTube as a bargaining chip. Really!"

I don't get the whole calling it a botched rescue. These things don't always have a happy ending. Saying it was botched makes it seem like it was the rescuers fault when it was the terrorists fault who took them hostage in the first place.


From the San Francisco Chronicle:

"President Barack Obama's government offered military assistance Wednesday to help rescue the hostages, but the Algerian government refused, a U.S. official said in Washington. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about the offer."

Yep, you showed the world just how good your counter-terrorism capabilities are!
 
2013-01-17 11:25:22 AM

Shrapnel: Reload from save point?

/sorry


godammitsomuch

took me a moment & i'm a gamer

so i'm saddened by the even & disappointed in myself
 
2013-01-17 11:25:31 AM

lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here


Man, I've always wanted to visit Algeria. Seriously. It's my understanding that most of these troubles are concentrated in the southern regions, and the northern areas are pretty safe, right?
 
2013-01-17 11:25:32 AM

gunsmack: 'killed' ?


I was confused about that too. Maybe it meant that they did really well at open mic night.
 
2013-01-17 11:26:30 AM

Jeremysbrain: Reuters is saying only 6 were killed.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/17/us-sahara-crisis-idUSBRE90F 1 JJ20130117


There's a lot of "get the story out first" going on again with this situation. I've seen all sorts of numbers with casualties, from 35 killed to only six, while media sources like BBC are saying "we're not sure". Apparently the Algierian army has helicopters shooting down into the plant; not a good way to tell hostage from hostage takers, IMO.
 
2013-01-17 11:26:30 AM
They could have worked harder on a name. The "Masked Brigade"? Really phoning it in, guys.
 
2013-01-17 11:28:16 AM
Should have called Rainbow.

What do you mean by "Tom Clancy is fiction"? You trying' to tell me that Jack Ryan isn't President?!
 
2013-01-17 11:28:54 AM

hdhale: Persnickety: An armed society is a polite society

So pointing out that the deaths were the responsibility of the Algeria military's overzealous pursuit of the hostage takers, does that make it more like Waco? or can we stop the silliness and declare you a troll and move on to passing along condolences to the families of the hostages?


Do you know how I know you are not a gun owner?
 
2013-01-17 11:29:49 AM
I would have submitted this with the headline "Hostages killed in rescue operation. This is not a repeat from 1972."
 
2013-01-17 11:30:03 AM
Algerian government is saying the 35 number is not true. That # is coming from the bad guys. The news media strikes again, reporting something that gives them a great headline without bothering to confirm it.
 
2013-01-17 11:30:25 AM
I'm sure the Americans who were killed will be reported as "civilian coalition losses" by the DNC controlled media.
 
2013-01-17 11:30:39 AM

Dr Dreidel: This is not BP's decade.


Does anyone expect BP's response to be anything but ruthless and botched?
 
2013-01-17 11:30:41 AM
What new laws can we enact to insure something like this never happens again?
 
2013-01-17 11:31:14 AM

WippitGuud: If violent games have taught me anything, it's that: as long as half of the hostages make is back to the cap point...

Counter Terrorists win.


And the Terrorists lost a lot of money killing the hostages, so they won't be able to buy anything good in the next round. That should make things easier for us.
 
2013-01-17 11:31:58 AM

UNC_Samurai: Yep, you showed the world just how good your counter-terrorism capabilities are!


National sovereignty is still a thing, terrorists or no. It sucks that good guys have to follow rules while bad guys get to improvise - the burden of being right, as it were.

// alternatively, we could sneak in and kill everyone (except hostages)
// where's SEAL Team 6?
 
2013-01-17 11:32:13 AM
That's a damn shame.
 
2013-01-17 11:32:17 AM
"according tot he group holding the hostages" is really all you need to know for now.
 
2013-01-17 11:32:31 AM
Well, they had to do something!
 
2013-01-17 11:32:34 AM

ringersol: So they just decided to send a helicopter gunship after a random convoy leaving the militant compound?
Is that on the assumption that the militants are too stupid to take their human shields *with them* as they move about?
Or simply not caring and/or considering whether they might?


As an anti-terror op, this was massively successful. Lots of terrorists, including the charismatic leader are toast while most of the hostages were freed without the gigantic gas operation being downgraded to "crater" status. Terrorist groups have got to look at the "f*ck with Algeria" strategy as a bad one.

As a rescue, yeah it needs work, but killing off all those terrorists saves lives in the long run and you can't just insert our Western, sanctity-of-life mindset into the minds of the players on either side of this equation.
 
2013-01-17 11:32:49 AM
My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

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2013-01-17 11:33:37 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: WippitGuud: If violent games have taught me anything, it's that: as long as half of the hostages make is back to the cap point...

Counter Terrorists win.

And the Terrorists lost a lot of money killing the hostages, so they won't be able to buy anything good in the next round. That should make things easier for us.


Did Global Offensive add vehicles?
 
2013-01-17 11:34:15 AM

MilesTeg: I'm sure the Americans who were killed will be reported as "civilian coalition losses" by the DNC controlled media.


Republicans: The biggest drama queens.
 
2013-01-17 11:34:18 AM

lumiere: so now we have a bunch of backward Muslim fanatics running around with a huge arsenal of weapons and crazy bastardized versions of their own Sharia law they want to implement.


All they wanted was for us to put God back in schools and for the Ten Commandments to be displayed at the courthouse. What's so wrong about that?
 
2013-01-17 11:35:03 AM

UNC_Samurai: Sock Ruh Tease: WippitGuud: If violent games have taught me anything, it's that: as long as half of the hostages make is back to the cap point...

Counter Terrorists win.

And the Terrorists lost a lot of money killing the hostages, so they won't be able to buy anything good in the next round. That should make things easier for us.

Did Global Offensive add vehicles?


Only ever played the original. The wife doesn't like me playing FPS games around the kids, so I moved on to other games.
 
2013-01-17 11:35:05 AM

shower_in_my_socks: Algerian government is saying the 35 number is not true. That # is coming from the bad guys. The news media strikes again, reporting something that gives them a great headline without bothering to confirm it.


The same terrorists that promised to murder every hostage if they were challenged, no less? Yeah, they're totally trustworthy!
 
2013-01-17 11:35:28 AM

TomD9938: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

North Dakota is looking better and better.


As are bicycles, trains, and Jimmy Carter sweaters, but we can't have any of that.
 
2013-01-17 11:35:29 AM

Dr Dreidel: UNC_Samurai: Yep, you showed the world just how good your counter-terrorism capabilities are!

National sovereignty is still a thing, terrorists or no. It sucks that good guys have to follow rules while bad guys get to improvise - the burden of being right, as it were.

// alternatively, we could sneak in and kill everyone (except hostages)
// where's SEAL Team 6?


No, I completely agree. It's very reassuring to see this administration's reluctance toward unilateral military action.
 
2013-01-17 11:36:01 AM
Thanks France.
 
2013-01-17 11:36:15 AM

pute kisses like a man: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

i don't know if that's an accurate description.


Sub-Medeterrenean Africa?
 
2013-01-17 11:36:57 AM
Therion: "Does anyone expect BP's response to be anything but ruthless and botched?"

Perhaps it's my naivete regarding the region, but are you suggesting that BP is directing military responses?

Though I can't see them lobbying *against* any proposed ruthless option, in any event.
Ransom vs Life Insurance Policy is a tragic but direct business concern.

/ One imagines that this situation came about largely because "Cost of Effective Security vs (Chance of Raid * Cost of Raid)" was also calculated up-front
 
2013-01-17 11:37:53 AM
www.superhqwallpapers.com

Very sad.
 
2013-01-17 11:38:03 AM

Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?


No it isn't...

Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?
 
2013-01-17 11:38:32 AM

Arn_Dee: Thanks France.


If not for the United States' technical advice, France would be speaking Malinese right now.
 
2013-01-17 11:38:59 AM

maxheck: The Singing Bush:

I'm sure this is all Obama's fault.

Is Algeria a scandal yet?


Nope. Panetta clearly called it a Terrorist Attack and Susan Rice is keeping her mouth shut.

/
 
2013-01-17 11:39:24 AM

lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here


Malians like Yoda speak?
 
2013-01-17 11:39:27 AM
factoryconnection: "As an anti-terror op, this was massively successful"

As a "best worst option", that may be.
But it seems that a more precise raid on said convoy could have trivially achieved all those same objectives -- even in a worst case scenario -- with a solid chance of actually saving lives.
 
2013-01-17 11:39:34 AM
This was obvious the result of some video posted on the internet.
 
2013-01-17 11:39:35 AM

lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here


Ah, thanks! My map is at school. I thought Mali was central-west? WIth no coastline? I may be wrong...
 
2013-01-17 11:40:42 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Gun control. Now.


So who is going to their state capitol on Saturday?
2A Rally
 
2013-01-17 11:40:55 AM
Quick, click mouse to respawn!
 
2013-01-17 11:41:06 AM

gunsmack: 'killed' ?


Not been confirmed yet. It looks weird, but they're being all journalistic-integrity-like and such.


StrikitRich: 35 hostages and only 15 terrorists killed? Was Jimmy Carter in command of Spetznz troops?


Read the rest of the article. Several people escaped.

There's also a distinction between foreign hostages versus local Algerian hostages, being made in some places but not others.

I'd expect Faux News to report this as "<X number> of American hostages killed, plus some anonymous brown people".
 
2013-01-17 11:41:09 AM
FTA: "Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in southern Algeria, according to the group holding the hostages."

Because I'm sure their reporting is reliable. Or as Fox News calls it, "Fair and Balanced".
 
2013-01-17 11:41:21 AM

Lane83: Smeggy Smurf: Nuke Mecca and Medina as payback. That'll get their attention.

Nothing pisses off West Africans as much as killing Arabs!


They're all muslims. That'll get 'em riled up.
 
2013-01-17 11:41:21 AM

Allen. The end.: lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here

Ah, thanks! My map is at school. I thought Mali was central-west? WIth no coastline? I may be wrong...


You are posting on the internet, and you claim to not have a map available? Seriously?
 
2013-01-17 11:41:24 AM

Allen. The end.: lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here

Ah, thanks! My map is at school. I thought Mali was central-west? WIth no coastline? I may be wrong...


I'd call it "The former French North Africa", but that's just because the vast majority of my time is spent dissecting the 1940s.
 
2013-01-17 11:41:26 AM
But the oil company got their facility back, right? That's the important thing.
 
2013-01-17 11:42:07 AM

lilbjorn: But the oil company got their facility back, right? That's the important thing.


The important thing is that our gas prices don't go up.
 
2013-01-17 11:42:20 AM
ran out of grenades?
www.arcade-museum.com
 
2013-01-17 11:43:12 AM

YixilTesiphon: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

No it isn't...

Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?


Is Mali really the Middle East?

original.antiwar.com
 
2013-01-17 11:43:20 AM
Yet another reason why investing in solar technology is stupid.
 
2013-01-17 11:43:26 AM
Did the fabled Black Chinook come to relieve anyone of their command, or was this a yo bro we got this moment.....
 
2013-01-17 11:44:05 AM

ringersol: But it seems that a more precise raid on said convoy could have trivially achieved all those same objectives -- even in a worst case scenario -- with a solid chance of actually saving lives.


That's a commentary on the rescue. Terrorists don't care about the death of the hostages, except as it brings them bargaining power. They care about their own personnel and achieving their stated objectives. In this case, they don't have control of a major industrial facility, they've lost almost all their bargaining chips and personnel, and they've shown that if you do f*ck with Algeria, you're just going to die with or without hostages.

There was no ending to this scenario, short of a hail of near-magic bullets to take out all the militants before they could start killing hostages, that had a good outcome for the poor saps on that convoy.
 
2013-01-17 11:44:29 AM

FLMountainMan: lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here

Man, I've always wanted to visit Algeria. Seriously. It's my understanding that most of these troubles are concentrated in the southern regions, and the northern areas are pretty safe, right?


Actually, the biggest Northern cities (Algiers, Oran and Constantine) have had their fair share of attacks by Islamic fundamentalists, especially during La décennie noire, the Black Decade in the 1990s.  During this time, the oilfields in the South were heavily protected by both foreign and Algerian forces to protect oil and gas interests.

The problem in the South of Algeria has now been exasperated by renegade Islamic fundamentalists who have escaped Algerian forces, and some who have crept in from Libya, the Western Sahara and now, Mali.  The main oilfields, like Hassi Messoud and Rhourde El Baguel are still very heavily protected.

Yes, Algeria is a beautiful country but sadly, they aren't used to tourists and have a very backwards infrastructure to be able to sustain the same levels of tourism neighboring Morocco and Tunisia have.  This was made worse given the fact Algeria still has large remnants of a dinosaur socialist society (too many streets there are named after Che Guevara and Fidel Castro and they still have strong ties with Eastern bloc countries).

A friend of mine sent this to me just recently about a fellow classmate, thought I'd share:

"Hi, My name is [redacted] and I am in the Distance MBA program; this is my 10th class. It has been a long journey but I am more the half way finished. I am in the U.S. Coast Guard where I am currently serving as a Law Enforcement instructor at the Federal Law Enforcement Training Center in [redacted but I live in Durango, Colorado.
My job has taken me all over the world, as has private travel as well. The most interesting place I have been to, three times now, is Algeria. I would probably have never have paid my own way here, but I have gone for work. The country is unique in that they are a strong partner for the U.S. in a troubled area of the world; they are also a large trading partner... oil. I particularly enjoy the effect that their alliance with Russia during the cold war still has on their government thoughts and behaviors."
 
2013-01-17 11:44:29 AM
If only those hostages had been armed, this wouldn't've happened.
 
2013-01-17 11:44:45 AM

make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]


It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy
 
2013-01-17 11:44:46 AM
Well think about it. If you knew Obama was running the show back here, would you wait around for a rescue? Link

Stay Classy Republicans.
 
2013-01-17 11:45:19 AM

Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?


You know how I know you failed geography?
 
2013-01-17 11:45:38 AM
"As recently as last year it seemed that he was turning the last stronghold of al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb, the mountains up in the north where the Berber people are natives, against those Arabs that have been coming in from outside," he said. "The Algerian authorities have been enjoying significant successes in targeting al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb leaders."

Is Justin OK?
 
2013-01-17 11:47:14 AM

I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

original.antiwar.com


HAHA!

Looks like someone needs a geology lesson.
 
2013-01-17 11:47:40 AM

mgshamster: Allen. The end.: lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here

Ah, thanks! My map is at school. I thought Mali was central-west? WIth no coastline? I may be wrong...

You are posting on the internet, and you claim to not have a map available? Seriously?


Look, it's my Saturday, and I'm slow-moving, alright???
 
2013-01-17 11:48:15 AM

RevMark: I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

[original.antiwar.com image 461x461]

HAHA!

Looks like someone needs a geology lesson.


Pythagoras was Egyptian!
 
rpl
2013-01-17 11:48:59 AM
I am calling for an international arms embargo and for the immediate deployment of international monitors with the ability to investigate human rights violations and violations of international humanitarian law as soon as possible to carry out independent, impartial assessments of violations by both sides.
The UN Security Council should meet urgently to impose an international arms embargo on France, Al Shabaab, and the armed groups in Algeria.
Pending such an embargo, all states should immediately suspend transfers of weapons, munitions and related equipment to France, Al Shabaab, and Algerian armed groups.
 
2013-01-17 11:49:09 AM
There are at least half a dozen counter terrorist groups in the world that is capable of conducting these type of rescue operation that may have ended in a far better result. Since the hostages comes from many different countries I'm sure the governments were in constant contact with each other.

The question is who or why they authorized the local Algerian army to mount this operation? Why not GIGN, DEVGRU, SAS, Delta, GSG9, GROM.
 
2013-01-17 11:49:12 AM

make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]


Al Jazeera:  Sometimes we report the news, sometimes we make the news.

/They make a habit of capturing and beheading terrorists, so that their reporters don't get messed with.
 
2013-01-17 11:49:13 AM
Why doesn't Fartbong Obummer do something?
 
2013-01-17 11:50:50 AM

SuperNinjaToad: Delta,


Delta has been on the shiat list since Tora Bora back in 2001 which is why ST6 has been getting alot of exposure.
 
2013-01-17 11:51:01 AM
 
2013-01-17 11:51:11 AM
I know one of the hostages. Wish every source didn't have different numbers, as it would be nice to know what the actual survival rate is.
 
2013-01-17 11:51:55 AM
Ctrl+F guns - No Matches

There you libs go again. For all we know the hostage takers were armed with broken beer bottles and staple guns, but we don't hear anybody screaming to ban beer and staplers.

Al Jazeera? More like Al Trytokillya.

Amirite?
 
2013-01-17 11:52:11 AM

cgraves67: They still have some hostages it seems. So the question is: Seal Team 6 or drop a bomb and send your heartfelt condolensces to the families. Don't negotiate with these scum.


This. Seems pointless to surrender to, or negotiate with, Islamic terrorists. Best to assume the hostages are as good as dead already.

Attempt rescue if feasible, sure, otherwise, send in the drones.

Death by Hellfire is preferable to a slow beheading on TV, and has a chance of getting some of the scumbags.
 
2013-01-17 11:52:12 AM
They took notes from Jimmy Carters play book.
 
2013-01-17 11:52:13 AM
Who are we hating today, and are they required to hate us first?

Because doing things in the right order is important, you know.
 
2013-01-17 11:52:20 AM
The religion of peace strikes again.
 
2013-01-17 11:52:56 AM
media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-17 11:52:57 AM

I_C_Weener: RevMark: I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

[original.antiwar.com image 461x461]

HAHA!

Looks like someone needs a geology lesson.

Pythagoras was Egyptian!


I see what you did there.
 
2013-01-17 11:53:18 AM

CheetahOlivetti: It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy


Damn you, Dragon Reborn!
 
2013-01-17 11:54:46 AM
media.giantbomb.com

You can do it, France!
 
2013-01-17 11:54:48 AM
factoryconnection: "There was no ending to this scenario, short of a hail of near-magic bullets to take out all the militants before they could start killing hostages, that had a good outcome for the poor saps on that convoy."

No, but there are certainly better chances for a good outcome based on approach.
Gunship? Zero chance of anything short of "well, the bad guys are *also* in pieces".
Gunfight? Good chance at least a couple are walking away, decent chance a handful to half.

And even in an ambush gone bad, you still have the gunship to take out, say, a fleeing vehicle that likely still contains hostages.
This plan was essentially *starting* at the worst case scenario.
 
2013-01-17 11:55:14 AM

I_C_Weener: RevMark: I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

[original.antiwar.com image 461x461]

HAHA!

Looks like someone needs a geology lesson.

Pythagoras was Egyptian!


Well, they're muslin, so that's the same thing
 
2013-01-17 11:56:12 AM

I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

No it isn't...

Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

[original.antiwar.com image 461x461]


Middle East and North Africa are pretty commonly grouped together.
 
2013-01-17 11:57:29 AM
i1.cpcache.com
 
rpl
2013-01-17 11:59:25 AM
He meant "zionists".
 
2013-01-17 11:59:52 AM
What does it mean when dozens of hostages are "killed"? Is that like when they are killed?
 
2013-01-17 12:02:56 PM
Well...

upload.wikimedia.org

is just now starting to report on this story.
 
2013-01-17 12:03:54 PM
Further proof that no one is immune to Irish charm.
 
2013-01-17 12:05:11 PM

Brick-House: [i1.cpcache.com image 460x460]


You're just not even trying. If you're not going to bring your A game then take the day off.

Fark deserves a better class of a troll.
 
2013-01-17 12:06:15 PM
oh i see, douchemitter is under the impression that it was the rescue attempt that caused the deaths...and not the terrorists who you know, captured and killed them.
 
2013-01-17 12:06:27 PM

rocketpants: Further proof that no one is immune to Irish charm.


Irish Diplomacy:

Being able to tell someone to go to hell so they look forward to the trip.
 
2013-01-17 12:08:36 PM
Remember when terrorists had special training and disguises and stuff? Now all you have to do is throw rocks at a bank.
 
2013-01-17 12:09:05 PM
 
2013-01-17 12:11:59 PM
I wonder how "many" casualties there will end up being.
 
2013-01-17 12:12:41 PM

Brick-House: Well...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x187]

is just now starting to report on this story.


Give them a break, they needed time to figure out how to make it Obama's fault.
 
2013-01-17 12:13:36 PM

UNC_Samurai: Dr Dreidel: UNC_Samurai: Yep, you showed the world just how good your counter-terrorism capabilities are!

National sovereignty is still a thing, terrorists or no. It sucks that good guys have to follow rules while bad guys get to improvise - the burden of being right, as it were.

// alternatively, we could sneak in and kill everyone (except hostages)
// where's SEAL Team 6?

No, I completely agree. It's very reassuring to see this administration's reluctance toward unilateral military action.


Keyboard. Now.
 
2013-01-17 12:14:21 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-17 12:16:44 PM

make me some tea: Brick-House: Well...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x187]

is just now starting to report on this story.

Give them a break, they needed time to figure out how to make it Obama's fault.


Well that's easy. If Obummer would let us drill her and approve Keystone then we wouldn't be over there.
 
2013-01-17 12:18:40 PM

Brick-House: make me some tea: Brick-House: Well...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x187]

is just now starting to report on this story.

Give them a break, they needed time to figure out how to make it Obama's fault.

Well that's easy. If Obummer would let us drill her and approve Keystone then we wouldn't be over there.


/Checks article: British company drilling oil in Africa.
//Rolls eyes
 
2013-01-17 12:19:26 PM

lumiere:  The French botched the rescue mission in Mali and what's happening in Algeria is pure and simple blowback.


That was Somolia, not Mali.
 
2013-01-17 12:20:32 PM
www.ghostrecon.net

First thing I thought of.

// Played the original Ghost Recon WAY too much.
/// Going to reinstall it when I get home.
 
2013-01-17 12:21:28 PM

Mosox42: Pop quiz hot shot


Nice. Props! /br img src=osprey.jpg alt=mad props
 
2013-01-17 12:23:16 PM

spiderpaz: Brick-House: make me some tea: Brick-House: Well...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x187]

is just now starting to report on this story.

Give them a break, they needed time to figure out how to make it Obama's fault.

Well that's easy. If Obummer would let us drill her and approve Keystone then we wouldn't be over there.

/Checks article: British company drilling oil in Africa.
//Rolls eyes


American hostages that went there because no drilling jobs here...
 
2013-01-17 12:23:25 PM

CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy


Al gebra
Al Lons y
 
2013-01-17 12:24:31 PM

vernonFL: It is sad, but at least they didn't negotiate. If we have to send a message, at least its "your terrorist operation wasn't successful"


Very well said. Its/it's clarification grammar lesson .JPG here though.
 
2013-01-17 12:24:43 PM
You know, instead of just killing terrorists outright, maybe we should roll back the clock a couple hundred years or so...
 
2013-01-17 12:27:12 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y


Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.
 
2013-01-17 12:28:36 PM
Its like Algeria said to itself , "How would the Soviets handle this situation?"

/"To the Gunships!
 
2013-01-17 12:28:55 PM

I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.


Al Sharpton
 
2013-01-17 12:30:56 PM
Al Jazeera is reporting the TOTAL number of hostages killed: 35 (keep in mind most of the hostages were Algerian); the U.S. media is reporting the number of FOREIGN hostages killed: 6

So these reports may not be inconsistent at all, just disagreeing over whether or not dead locals actually count as people.
 
2013-01-17 12:31:42 PM

Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton


Alphabet
 
2013-01-17 12:32:00 PM

s1ugg0: Brick-House: [i1.cpcache.com image 460x460]

You're just not even trying. If you're not going to bring your A game then take the day off.

Fark deserves a better class of a troll.


No it doesn't.
 
2013-01-17 12:33:08 PM

theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet


cdn3.hark.com
 
2013-01-17 12:33:23 PM

Brick-House: spiderpaz: Brick-House: make me some tea: Brick-House: Well...

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x187]

is just now starting to report on this story.

Give them a break, they needed time to figure out how to make it Obama's fault.

Well that's easy. If Obummer would let us drill her and approve Keystone then we wouldn't be over there.

/Checks article: British company drilling oil in Africa.
//Rolls eyes

American hostages that went there because no drilling jobs here...


Are all the positions at the Bakken Formation filled yet?
 
2013-01-17 12:33:31 PM

theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet


Al Cahol

// you MONSTERS!
 
Ehh
2013-01-17 12:34:16 PM
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy
Al gebra
Herb Alpert and the Tijuana brass.
Al Sharpton

Tacos Al Pastor
 
2013-01-17 12:34:33 PM

theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet


Al Pacino
 
2013-01-17 12:36:11 PM

macadamnut: Remember when terrorists had special training and disguises and stuff? Now all you have to do is throw rocks at a bank.


This is my favorite Fark post for today. Thank you.
 
2013-01-17 12:38:15 PM

Mad_Season: [www.ghostrecon.net image 512x384]

First thing I thought of.

// Played the original Ghost Recon WAY too much.
/// Going to reinstall it when I get home.


That's what I thought of as well. I hated that first part. There is really no way to beat it other than just get in there and clean it out in close combat. I prefer the stealthy approach.
 
2013-01-17 12:39:15 PM

Dr Dreidel: theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet

Al Cahol

// you MONSTERS!


images.bcdb.com
 
2013-01-17 12:41:06 PM
FTA: Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in southern Algeria, according to the group holding the hostages.
...
The official Algerian APS news agency, citing local sources, said an unspecified number of people were killed in the military rescue attempt.
It said nearly 600 Algerian workers and four foreign hostages - two Britain, two Britons, a Frenchman and a Kenyan - had been freed during the operation.

...
Algerian media, citing officials, reported that 15 foreigners and 30 Algerians had managed to escape.
-

Well? What the hell are the real numbers? 604 freed or 45 escaped?
That's some great reporting.
 
2013-01-17 12:43:32 PM

squidgod2000: lumiere:  The French botched the rescue mission in Mali and what's happening in Algeria is pure and simple blowback.

That was Somolia, not Mali.


I'm not talking about the Denis Allex affair in Somalia. Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.  But agreed, I should not have used the word 'rescue' despite the fact that it's a clear mission to protect their gas interests in Algeria by intervening in Mali. Algeria is one of the leading suppliers of natural gas to Europe and they cannot afford for anyone to disrupt that.
 
2013-01-17 12:46:52 PM

Dr Dreidel: theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet

Al Cahol


Al Capone
Al legra
 
2013-01-17 12:48:17 PM
This is what happens when you take god out of the oil field.
 
2013-01-17 12:48:23 PM

Bendal: Dr Dreidel: theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet

Al Cahol

Al Capone
Al legra


fc09.deviantart.net
 
2013-01-17 12:51:11 PM
This would not have happened if people were allowed to have helicopter gunships to defend themselves.
 
2013-01-17 12:51:24 PM

I_C_Weener: Bendal: Dr Dreidel: theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet

Al Cahol

Al Capone
Al legra

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x566]


None of you farks had better sully the name of Al Kaline.
 
2013-01-17 12:54:28 PM
So they're hiring?
 
2013-01-17 12:54:34 PM

lumiere: Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.


I heard they bombed some towns and killed an indeterminate number of unidentified people, so maybe the real problem is your too narrow definition of success.
 
2013-01-17 12:55:21 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I_C_Weener: Bendal: Dr Dreidel: theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet

Al Cahol

Al Capone
Al legra

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x566]

None of you farks had better sully the name of Al Kaline.


Al Pacino

mikeandrustys.com
 
2013-01-17 12:57:29 PM
FatherChaos:
[www.superhqwallpapers.com image 425x265]

Very sad.


Pff, it's only because the hostages kept running into walls and doorframes during the rescue. I heard four of them got stuck in a hallway filled with office chairs.
 
2013-01-17 12:58:47 PM

macadamnut: lumiere: Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.

I heard they bombed some towns and killed an indeterminate number of unidentified people, so maybe the real problem is your too narrow definition of success.


They didn't eject and surrender immediately so I think that was a success.
 
2013-01-17 01:01:41 PM
 
2013-01-17 01:05:46 PM

gunsmack: 'killed' ?


www.covershut.com
 
2013-01-17 01:07:50 PM

RevMark: Looks like someone needs a geology lesson.


I LOL'ed
 
2013-01-17 01:08:32 PM

PirateKing: [www.affordablehousinginstitute.org image 250x170]
Damn.


Mosox42: Pop quiz hot shot


*shakes tiny fist*
 
2013-01-17 01:10:24 PM

factoryconnection: shower_in_my_socks: Algerian government is saying the 35 number is not true. That # is coming from the bad guys. The news media strikes again, reporting something that gives them a great headline without bothering to confirm it.

The same terrorists that promised to murder every hostage if they were challenged, no less? Yeah, they're totally trustworthy!


Yeah! Some of the hostages didn't get murdered. Those lyin' terraists!
 
2013-01-17 01:11:33 PM
SmithHiller:

maxheck: The Singing Bush:

I'm sure this is all Obama's fault.

Is Algeria a scandal yet?

Nope. Panetta clearly called it a Terrorist Attack and Susan Rice is keeping her mouth shut.


Given that as the criterion for a "scandal," I'm sure the wharrgarbl for this incident will be in place by the time the evening news comes on.
 
2013-01-17 01:12:47 PM

Solid State Vittles: So, two Britons, a Frenchman, a Kenyan, and an Irishman walk out of an Algerian gas field...


... and the Algerian says "Sorry 'bout that."
 
2013-01-17 01:13:56 PM

Galloping Galoshes: cgraves67: They still have some hostages it seems. So the question is: Seal Team 6 or drop a bomb and send your heartfelt condolensces to the families. Don't negotiate with these scum.

That's one way to avoid hostage situations. Cold, but effective.


That's basically the Russian way.
 
2013-01-17 01:15:50 PM

macadamnut: lumiere: Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.

I heard they bombed some towns and killed an indeterminate number of unidentified people, so maybe the real problem is your too narrow definition of success.


Perhaps you should question premature information and your sources:

img690.imageshack.us

Unfortunately, the interactive version in English is not working on Le Monde, so I had to post the French one.  But here's the link in case they fix it.

FullMetalPanda: macadamnut: lumiere: Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.

I heard they bombed some towns and killed an indeterminate number of unidentified people, so maybe the real problem is your too narrow definition of success.

They didn't eject and surrender immediately so I think that was a success.


Relatively speaking, maybe, but it's still way too soon to tell.
 
2013-01-17 01:20:54 PM

This text is now purple: Galloping Galoshes: cgraves67: They still have some hostages it seems. So the question is: Seal Team 6 or drop a bomb and send your heartfelt condolensces to the families. Don't negotiate with these scum.

That's one way to avoid hostage situations. Cold, but effective.

That's basically the Russian way.


They (Russia) deals with pirates much the same way.
 
2013-01-17 01:22:04 PM
FAKE. France doesnt send troops anywhere.

Also, Algeria, in the future....

media.heavy.com
 
2013-01-17 01:24:49 PM
And all because France won't surrender.
 
2013-01-17 01:34:10 PM

give me doughnuts: Should have called Rainbow.

What do you mean by "Tom Clancy is fiction"? You trying' to tell me that Jack Ryan isn't President?!


isn't that also the white cop's name on Castle?
 
2013-01-17 01:40:42 PM
I'm actually surprised this doesn't happen more often. There are thousands of soft targets all over Africa.

This looks like the people in question didn't really plan this very well. The Algerian government just killed everyone, which is most likely not the outcome that the kidnappers wanted.

Guns w/o brains = death.

On the plus side, this sort of thing won't be happening in Algeria anytime soon.
 
2013-01-17 01:44:22 PM

YixilTesiphon: I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

No it isn't...

Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

[original.antiwar.com image 461x461]

Middle East and North Africa are pretty commonly grouped together by people with no sense of geography.


FIFY
//Algeria is west of Italy
 
2013-01-17 01:45:57 PM
another benghazi.
 
2013-01-17 01:46:29 PM

lumiere: macadamnut: lumiere: Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.

I heard they bombed some towns and killed an indeterminate number of unidentified people, so maybe the real problem is your too narrow definition of success.

Perhaps you should question premature information and your sources:

[img690.imageshack.us image 800x598]

Unfortunately, the interactive version in English is not working on Le Monde, so I had to post the French one.  But here's the link in case they fix it.

FullMetalPanda: macadamnut: lumiere: Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.

I heard they bombed some towns and killed an indeterminate number of unidentified people, so maybe the real problem is your too narrow definition of success.

They didn't eject and surrender immediately so I think that was a success.

Relatively speaking, maybe, but it's still way too soon to tell.


Hey! So the town in question IS central Africa???
 
2013-01-17 01:47:08 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I_C_Weener: Bendal: Dr Dreidel: theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet

Al Cahol

Al Capone
Al legra

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x566]

None of you farks had better sully the name of Al Kaline.


Alchemy.
 
2013-01-17 01:56:43 PM

Shrapnel: Reload from save point?

/sorry


I snickered.
 
2013-01-17 01:58:11 PM
this is going to happen a lot more over the next year.
but that's what imperialism gets you...
enemies..
 
2013-01-17 01:59:58 PM

Allen. The end.: lumiere: macadamnut: lumiere: Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.

I heard they bombed some towns and killed an indeterminate number of unidentified people, so maybe the real problem is your too narrow definition of success.

Perhaps you should question premature information and your sources:

[img690.imageshack.us image 800x598]

Unfortunately, the interactive version in English is not working on Le Monde, so I had to post the French one.  But here's the link in case they fix it.

FullMetalPanda: macadamnut: lumiere: Buzz on the French interwebs is that the Malian operation hasn't been as successful either.

I heard they bombed some towns and killed an indeterminate number of unidentified people, so maybe the real problem is your too narrow definition of success.

They didn't eject and surrender immediately so I think that was a success.

Relatively speaking, maybe, but it's still way too soon to tell.

Hey! So the town in question IS central Africa???


Nope. In Amenas is neither Central Africa nor Sub-Saharan.

exploringafrica.matrix.msu.edu
 
2013-01-17 02:01:11 PM

I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

No it isn't...

Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

[original.antiwar.com image 461x461]



It is now. Kids will swear that the Iraq is not in Asia because it is in the Middle East. Besides, how can they be "Asian" when they look like whites, not the least bit like Chinese. So if they are El Quaida and fighting over Islam in a Godforsaken desert,, they are Middle Easterners. This is the 2010s, meet the new boss.
 
2013-01-17 02:04:00 PM

Kevin72: I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

No it isn't...

Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

[original.antiwar.com image 461x461]


It is now. Kids will swear that the Iraq is not in Asia because it is in the Middle East. Besides, how can they be "Asian" when they look like whites, not the least bit like Chinese. So if they are El Quaida and fighting over Islam in a Godforsaken desert,, they are Middle Easterners. This is the 2010s, meet the new boss.


It's more of a mindset than a geographical location anyway.
 
2013-01-17 02:10:36 PM

WTF Indeed: Well at least Algeria is easier to spell than Benghazi.


You never fail to reinforce why I have you labeled as a GOP shill.
 
2013-01-17 02:14:39 PM

lumiere: FLMountainMan: lumiere: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

Algeria is not sub-Saharan but they share a huge, and very hard to control border with the terrorist morons in North Mali.

/I'm probably the only Algerian-American on Fark, so if you have questions, I'm here

Man, I've always wanted to visit Algeria. Seriously. It's my understanding that most of these troubles are concentrated in the southern regions, and the northern areas are pretty safe, right?

Actually, the biggest Northern cities (Algiers, Oran and Constantine) have had their fair share of attacks by Islamic fundamentalists, especially during La décennie noire, the Black Decade in the 1990s.  During this time, the oilfields in the South were heavily protected by both foreign and Algerian forces to protect oil and gas interests.

The problem in the South of Algeria has now been exasperated by renegade Islamic fundamentalists who have escaped Algerian forces, and some who have crept in from Libya, the Western Sahara and now, Mali.  The main oilfields, like Hassi Messoud and Rhourde El Baguel are still very heavily protected.

Yes, Algeria is a beautiful country but sadly, they aren't used to tourists and have a very backwards infrastructure to be able to sustain the same levels of tourism neighboring Morocco and Tunisia have.  This was made worse given the fact Algeria still has large remnants of a dinosaur socialist society (too many streets there are named after Che Guevara and Fidel Castro and they still have strong ties with Eastern bloc countries).

A friend of mine sent this to me just recently about a fellow classmate, thought I'd share:

"Hi, My name is [redacted] and I am in the Distance MBA program; this is my 10th class. It has been a long journey but I am more the half way finished. I am in the U.S. Coast Guard where I am currently serving as a Law Enfor ...


They were commies? I thought that was limited to Yemen in Islamic countries? Btw are you a native or like the black feet French who lived there?
 
2013-01-17 02:15:33 PM
Whoa whoa whoa. Slow that brain train down. You're meaning to tell me that Algeria's military probably isn't skilled enough to pull off what would probably fall into the category of special operations?
 
2013-01-17 02:24:14 PM

Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?


Uh no, it's Algeria.

Do you need a map?
 
2013-01-17 02:33:25 PM

Marine1: Whoa whoa whoa. Slow that brain train down. You're meaning to tell me that Algeria's military probably isn't skilled enough to pull off what would probably fall into the category of special operations?


Heh. Slow the brain train. Awww, that's good.
 
2013-01-17 02:42:36 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: I_C_Weener: Bendal: Dr Dreidel: theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet

Al Cahol

Al Capone
Al legra

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x566]

None of you farks had better sully the name of Al Kaline.


I have some Al Kaline batteries.
 
2013-01-17 02:48:52 PM
I guess this ended well?
 
2013-01-17 02:49:52 PM

gunsmack: 'killed' ?


Yeah, you know. They were on the receiving end of some high-velocity ordnance and didn't survive.
 
2013-01-17 02:50:41 PM
I'll wait on Onion.com to provide up to the minute details.
 
2013-01-17 02:50:52 PM
Ok I mat be slow on the uptake on this one but neither of the two articles I have read on this mention the US other than 2 Americans were taken hostage/ killed whatever not very clear. And one of the articles labels this as "/us-sahara-crisis-idUSBRE90". Other than having citizens kidnapped /killed wtf do we have to do with it anyway?
 
2013-01-17 02:53:07 PM
Anyone else here watch the IFC entertainment mini-series called "Carlos"?
For a number of reasons this whole situation reminds me of that series.

\It was outstanding, I thought.
\\Also, the guy who portrayed Carlos, was part of the CIA strike team in Zero Dark thirty, very distinctive voice.
 
2013-01-17 03:03:58 PM
They really should ban guns over there.
 
2013-01-17 03:04:14 PM

Inflatable Rhetoric: demaL-demaL-yeH: I_C_Weener: Bendal: Dr Dreidel: theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet

Al Cahol

Al Capone
Al legra

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x566]

None of you farks had better sully the name of Al Kaline.

I have some Al Kaline batteries.


Meh. Texans don't count.

Most vivid memory of Texas: Saturday evening in a bar on the San Antonio riverwalk.
Me: "What do you have on tap?"
Beertender: "Low One Stah"
Me: Sorry, what was that?
Beertender: "Low Won Stah"
Me: "Anything else?"
Beertender: "No." (It was two syllables, but I can't do her justice.)
Me: *thinking - the American version of Löwenbräu is horsepiss* Hmm. Got Scotch?
 
2013-01-17 03:04:21 PM

Kevin72: I_C_Weener: YixilTesiphon: Allen. The end.: I understand the need for corporations to drain natural resources from central Africa, but DAMN! I mean, it's sub-Saharan Africa! Is this really unexpected?

No it isn't...

Also, it turns out intervening in the Middle East still leads to blowback. Who would have thought?

Is Mali really the Middle East?

[original.antiwar.com image 461x461]


It is now. Kids will swear that the Iraq is not in Asia because it is in the Middle East. Besides, how can they be "Asian" when they look like whites, not the least bit like Chinese. So if they are El Quaida and fighting over Islam in a Godforsaken desert,, they are Middle Easterners. This is the 2010s, meet the new boss.


www.wnd.com
 
2013-01-17 03:04:23 PM
Its OK, they werent American.
 
2013-01-17 03:06:20 PM

HaywoodJablonski: Gun control. Now.


I gota give you a 3/10 for that one. The three points are for the fact that I can't tell if your trolling or just posting in the wrong thread.
 
2013-01-17 03:07:57 PM

Persnickety: An armed society is a polite society


Would be a good troll if the gas workers were armed as well.
 
2013-01-17 03:11:35 PM

megalynn44: That was the most confusing article I've read in a long time. So and so says this many are dead, but so and so says this many are dead. Basically we have no idea what has happened


About the only thing we know for sure is that this all started because of an insensitive Youtube video.
 
2013-01-17 03:13:04 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: They were commies? I thought that was limited to Yemen in Islamic countries? Btw are you a native or like the black feet French who lived there?


Not Commies but we were part of the Socialist countries allied with the USSR. Algeria gained independence from France at the height of the Cold War and Algerian leaders found common ground with several Socialist leaders and espoused many of their political and economical views. It's simply the story of a fledgling young nation trying to figure out how to proceed and making very, very stupid mistakes along the way.

Here's a 1962 photo of Che and Castro with Ben Bella, the first Algerian president:
img339.imageshack.us

As for your second question, my parents consider themselves native but we can trace our roots back to the Moors kicked out of Spain during the Spanish Inquisition.  The original natives of Algeria are the Berber/Amazigh people.  As complex as Mediterranean migration usually goes, Algeria had the Visigoths, Greeks, Turks, Arabs, Spaniards and French, so "native" really depended on how well they integrated into the society.
 
2013-01-17 03:22:49 PM

Mad_Season: www.ghostrecon.net

First thing I thought of.

// Played the original Ghost Recon WAY too much.
/// Going to reinstall it when I get home.


Realy?
So what your saying is that this news gets you all hot under the collar for your FPS game?
www.onehorseshy.com
 
2013-01-17 03:28:41 PM
I'm dubious about all the dead hostages...
 
2013-01-17 03:32:26 PM

FLMountainMan: netcentric: We better not take news sources too seriously, they often get it wrong.

We should wait till we hear information from the US State Dept.

They will know what is going on....

LOL.

What a mess, I think Obama's a lousy president, but situations like this are a pain in the ass for any president to deal with. No less of a pain in this age of constant spin.

Good luck, POTUS, you'll need it.


What does Obama have to do with this? Algeria farked up.
 
2013-01-17 03:34:17 PM

CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy


Don't forget

Al Anon
Al Cohol
Al Kaselzer
and
Al Abama
 
2013-01-17 03:39:28 PM

rpl: I am calling for an international arms embargo and for the immediate deployment of international monitors with the ability to investigate human rights violations and violations of international humanitarian law as soon as possible to carry out independent, impartial assessments of violations by both sides.
The UN Security Council should meet urgently to impose an international arms embargo on France, Al Shabaab, and the armed groups in Algeria.
Pending such an embargo, all states should immediately suspend transfers of weapons, munitions and related equipment to France, Al Shabaab, and Algerian armed groups.


The UN has been trying to get a treaty established for the last few years that would pretty much do just that. The NRA has been telling everyone that if the US agrees to it, the UN is going come into the US and take away all the guns. Not wanting to wallow in the mud with those nutjobs during an election, Obama postponed action on it last summer. I think it comes up again in March.
 
2013-01-17 03:42:07 PM
The Singing Bush

I'm sure this is all Obama's fault.


Guns killed them, this is Guns fault.
 
2013-01-17 03:43:08 PM
Someone should ban guns over there and then this won't happen again.
 
2013-01-17 03:47:42 PM
That'll teach them to take hostages!!!
 
2013-01-17 03:50:57 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Inflatable Rhetoric: demaL-demaL-yeH: I_C_Weener: Bendal: Dr Dreidel: theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

[i0.kym-cdn.com image 397x316]

It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet

Al Cahol

Al Capone
Al legra

[fc09.deviantart.net image 850x566]

None of you farks had better sully the name of Al Kaline.

I have some Al Kaline batteries.

Meh. Texans don't count.

Most vivid memory of Texas: Saturday evening in a bar on the San Antonio riverwalk.
Me: "What do you have on tap?"
Beertender: "Low One Stah"
Me: Sorry, what was that?
Beertender: "Low Won Stah"
Me: "Anything else?"
Beertender: "No." (It was two syllables, but I can't do her justice.)
Me: *thinking - the American version of Löwenbräu is horsepiss* Hmm. Got Scotch?


I still have Al Kaline batteries. I usually drink XX or Beck's beer.
 
2013-01-17 03:52:08 PM

UNC_Samurai: The only combat helicopters in the Algerian Air Force are Mi-24s. Looks like HINDsight is not 20-20.


I lol'd.
 
2013-01-17 03:54:24 PM
All right, look... You're a roofer, and some juicy government contract comes your way. You got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia. This is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden, these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
 
2013-01-17 04:01:31 PM
I love the Fox News coverage. The minute it wasn't the worst case scenario, they bumped it off the top of the page for 'Obama gonna take mah gunz!'
 
2013-01-17 04:10:32 PM

flamingboard: FLMountainMan: netcentric: We better not take news sources too seriously, they often get it wrong.

We should wait till we hear information from the US State Dept.

They will know what is going on....

LOL.

What a mess, I think Obama's a lousy president, but situations like this are a pain in the ass for any president to deal with. No less of a pain in this age of constant spin.

Good luck, POTUS, you'll need it.

What does Obama have to do with this? Algeria farked up.


Good point. I'm sure that Obama will not have to answer any questions regarding this, nor make any decisions regarding it.

Seriously, your post was CNN-level stupid.
 
2013-01-17 04:11:26 PM

Ego edo infantia cattus: Mad_Season: [www.ghostrecon.net image 412x284]

First thing I thought of.

// Played the original Ghost Recon WAY too much.
/// Going to reinstall it when I get home.

Realy?
So what your saying is that this news gets you all hot under the collar for your FPS game?
[www.onehorseshy.com image 480x290]


Hey, Ghost Recon WAS AWESOME!
 
2013-01-17 04:15:11 PM
Al Catraz. Eastwood is dissapoint.
 
2013-01-17 04:18:16 PM

factoryconnection: ringersol:

There was no ending to this scenario, short of a hail of near-magic bullets to take out all the militants before they could start killing hostages, that had a good outcome for the poor saps on that convoy.


This is what Special Forces Operational Detachment - Delta and their frogfooted cousins DEVGRU do, bro. Only it's not magic, just thousands of hours of training and precision equipment.

Ranbow Six is looking more and more prescient. Too bad Algeria decided to go "Leeeerooooy Jeeeenkiiins" (at least according to the article).
 
2013-01-17 04:24:00 PM

lumiere: The problem in the South of Algeria has now been exasperated by renegade Islamic fundamentalists who have escaped Algerian forces, and some who have crept in from Libya, the Western Sahara and now, Mali.  The main oilfields, like Hassi Messoud and Rhourde El Baguel are still very heavily protected. [...]


The word you want is exacerbated, although it sounds very similar.

Anyhow, all of that is good to know! Being calm and informative is a rare thing on Fark, and you deserve thanks for it.
 
2013-01-17 04:28:21 PM

MylesHeartVodak: FTA: Thirty-four hostages and 15 kidnappers have been killed in southern Algeria, according to the group holding the hostages.
...
The official Algerian APS news agency, citing local sources, said an unspecified number of people were killed in the military rescue attempt.
It said nearly 600 Algerian workers and four foreign hostages - two Britain, two Britons, a Frenchman and a Kenyan - had been freed during the operation.
...
Algerian media, citing officials, reported that 15 foreigners and 30 Algerians had managed to escape.
-

Well? What the hell are the real numbers? 604 freed or 45 escaped?
That's some great reporting.


There are no good numbers-- I live in Norway. There are nine Norwegians unaccounted for.
 
2013-01-17 04:29:36 PM

Seraphym: factoryconnection: ringersol:

There was no ending to this scenario, short of a hail of near-magic bullets to take out all the militants before they could start killing hostages, that had a good outcome for the poor saps on that convoy.

This is what Special Forces Operational Detachment - Delta and their frogfooted cousins DEVGRU do, bro. Only it's not magic, just thousands of hours of training and precision equipment.

Ranbow Six is looking more and more prescient. Too bad Algeria decided to go "Leeeerooooy Jeeeenkiiins" (at least according to the article).


*note: the previous comment is not meant to imply that such an operation would be easy or result in no civilian casualties, only that, well, introducing a hail of bullets out of nowhere into terrorist shiatheads is precisely what those units specialize in.
 
2013-01-17 04:32:42 PM
Al Dente
 
2013-01-17 04:42:44 PM

over_and_done: lumiere: The problem in the South of Algeria has now been exasperated by renegade Islamic fundamentalists who have escaped Algerian forces, and some who have crept in from Libya, the Western Sahara and now, Mali.  The main oilfields, like Hassi Messoud and Rhourde El Baguel are still very heavily protected. [...]

The word you want is exacerbated, although it sounds very similar.

Anyhow, all of that is good to know! Being calm and informative is a rare thing on Fark, and you deserve thanks for it.


Hah, wow, I totally missed that. Good catch! Thanks so much for both the correction and your comment.
 
2013-01-17 04:43:14 PM

doubled99: What new laws can we enact to insure something like this never happens again?


I don't know. I still have a Nerf gun and a super soaker. They may not be deadly, but getting your shirt soaked with ice water and hit in the eye with a foam rubber dart is supremely annoying.
 
2013-01-17 04:44:42 PM

No Such Agency: Pff, it's only because the hostages kept running into walls and doorframes during the rescue. I heard four of them got stuck in a hallway filled with office chairs.


Oh, how many times did I pop a hostage to win the round. The AI wasn't terribly smart but at least it was predictable, unlike some MMRPGs I played in the same timeframe.
 
2013-01-17 04:45:45 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Inflatable Rhetoric: demaL-demaL-yeH: I_C_Weener: Bendal: Dr Dreidel: theurge14: Brick-House: I_C_Weener: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: CheetahOlivetti: make me some tea: My wife is home watching HLN, she said the ticker at the bottom of the screen said "3 Americans escape from 'Al Jazeera' captors"

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It's a well-known fact that anything that starts with "Al" must be either a terrorist organization or a terrorist.
Al Qaeda
Al Jazeera
Al Gore
Al Bundy

Al gebra
Al Lons y

Herb Alpert and the Tiajuana brass.

Al Sharpton

Alphabet

Al Cahol

Al Capone
Al legra

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None of you farks had better sully the name of Al Kaline.

I have some Al Kaline batteries.

Meh. Texans don't count.

Most vivid memory of Texas: Saturday evening in a bar on the San Antonio riverwalk.
Me: "What do you have on tap?"
Beertender: "Low One Stah"
Me: Sorry, what was that?
Beertender: "Low Won Stah"
Me: "Anything else?"
Beertender: "No." (It was two syllables, but I can't do her justice.)
Me: *thinking - the American version of Löwenbräu is horsepiss* Hmm. Got Scotch?


I thought that was a capital i

mormonmatters.org
 
2013-01-17 04:55:15 PM
As long as no one damaged any of that sweet, sweet gas field everything will be OK.
 
2013-01-17 05:01:34 PM
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-17 05:01:50 PM

UNC_Samurai: According to a Mauritanian news source, the Algerians attacked the hostage site with helicopters. Does this mean the hostages were killed in the crossfire, or were they executed as retaliation for the attack?

The only combat helicopters in the Algerian Air Force are Mi-24s. Looks like HINDsight is not 20-20.


+1 for you sir!
 
2013-01-17 05:03:20 PM

gunsmack: 'killed' ?


Manti Te'o's 'girlfriend' was one of the 'hostages'.
 
2013-01-17 05:04:13 PM

give me doughnuts: Should have called Rainbow.

What do you mean by "Tom Clancy is fiction"? You trying' to tell me that Jack Ryan isn't President?!


Ding Chavez could have pulled this off all by himself.
 
2013-01-17 05:09:13 PM
I know a very nice guy who regularly inspects BP's more dangerous operations. He was in Libya just before it all kicked off. Hope he wasn't onsite at this one...
 
2013-01-17 05:12:55 PM

WippitGuud: UNC_Samurai: Sock Ruh Tease: WippitGuud: If violent games have taught me anything, it's that: as long as half of the hostages make is back to the cap point...

Counter Terrorists win.

And the Terrorists lost a lot of money killing the hostages, so they won't be able to buy anything good in the next round. That should make things easier for us.

Did Global Offensive add vehicles?

Only ever played the original. The wife doesn't like me playing FPS games around the kids, so I moved on to other games.


WippitGuud is right.

I keed!
 
2013-01-17 05:36:17 PM
Looks like Obama "staged" another one. Anything to keep the "news" of his time machine from leaking out. It's on the internet...check it out Sheepals.
 
2013-01-17 05:52:09 PM
That gas field should have had an armed guard or teacher or something.
 
2013-01-17 05:53:39 PM

dabbletech: That gas field should have had an armed guard or teacher or something.


According to Facebook all you need is an unarmed Marine to symbolically stand guard out front.
 
2013-01-17 06:28:22 PM

Friction8r: Al Catraz. Eastwood is dissapoint.


Al dous Huxley
 
2013-01-17 06:37:10 PM
So, if the numbers are any indication, the terrorists didn't give a rat's rancid rectum about the Algerian hostages - they simply took everybody hostage, and started blowing away the foreigners when the military raid humped a bunk. Algeria's military is desperately trying to confuse what happened, so that they don't end up with a dozen countries kicking the diplomatic shiat out of them for deciding it was OK to endanger the lives of foreign workers just to show that Algeria was "tough on terrorism."

Algeria's looking at a lot of ass-kicking shortly, I think.
 
2013-01-17 06:38:34 PM
Oh, and it's fun watching the anti-Obama nuts somehow confuse the Algerian military with the American military and try to blame Obama for a botched raid by another country...
 
2013-01-17 06:41:17 PM

FormlessOne: Oh, and it's fun watching the anti-Obama nuts somehow confuse the Algerian military with the American military and try to blame Obama for a botched raid by another country...


Algeria is near Kenya, right.  And Obama is...well, you know.
 
2013-01-17 06:42:32 PM

I_C_Weener: FormlessOne: Oh, and it's fun watching the anti-Obama nuts somehow confuse the Algerian military with the American military and try to blame Obama for a botched raid by another country...

Algeria is near Kenya, right.  And Obama is...well, you know.


Yeah, I know, but no matter how Manchurian our Candidate is, I doubt his planning expertise extends that far down the decision tree of possible futures. Perhaps the rumors of his time machine should be considered more closely.
 
2013-01-17 06:56:57 PM
Latest updates say not that many were killed, and many have escaped.

Keep yer fingers crossed.
 
2013-01-17 07:02:05 PM

FormlessOne: So, if the numbers are any indication, the terrorists didn't give a rat's rancid rectum about the Algerian hostages - they simply took everybody hostage, and started blowing away the foreigners when the military raid humped a bunk. Algeria's military is desperately trying to confuse what happened, so that they don't end up with a dozen countries kicking the diplomatic shiat out of them for deciding it was OK to endanger the lives of foreign workers just to show that Algeria was "tough on terrorism."

Algeria's looking at a lot of ass-kicking shortly, I think.


Oh the ass-kicking has already started. Al-Jazeera had a Washington DC correspondent who tore Algeria a new one.  At least NObama can sigh in relief that this is not a Benghazi repeat.

I agree the Algerian military reacted brazenly, but what many critics may seem to forget is that Algeria has been fighting these terrorists since the early 90s. And with Algeria bordering both Mali and Libya, it seems like the fundamentalist threat will only get worse.  Among the eleven militants killed, they had three Egyptians, two Algerians, two Tunisians, two Libyans, a Frenchman and a Malian.  Arab Spring, anyone?

Also, disregard my 'blowback from Mali' comment from above because Reuters stated the militants planned this attack two months ago. Another source claimed the militants originally wanted to kidnap the hostages and take them away from In Amenas to another location where it would be harder for military forces to rescue them.

So, now I ask, what should have been done instead?
 
2013-01-17 07:03:57 PM
We got torn up out there.


/restart mission
 
2013-01-17 07:14:56 PM
More fake news.
 
2013-01-17 07:16:31 PM

lumiere: FormlessOne: So, if the numbers are any indication, the terrorists didn't give a rat's rancid rectum about the Algerian hostages - they simply took everybody hostage, and started blowing away the foreigners when the military raid humped a bunk. Algeria's military is desperately trying to confuse what happened, so that they don't end up with a dozen countries kicking the diplomatic shiat out of them for deciding it was OK to endanger the lives of foreign workers just to show that Algeria was "tough on terrorism."

Algeria's looking at a lot of ass-kicking shortly, I think.

Oh the ass-kicking has already started. Al-Jazeera had a Washington DC correspondent who tore Algeria a new one.  At least NObama can sigh in relief that this is not a Benghazi repeat.

I agree the Algerian military reacted brazenly, but what many critics may seem to forget is that Algeria has been fighting these terrorists since the early 90s. And with Algeria bordering both Mali and Libya, it seems like the fundamentalist threat will only get worse.  Among the eleven militants killed, they had three Egyptians, two Algerians, two Tunisians, two Libyans, a Frenchman and a Malian.  Arab Spring, anyone?

Also, disregard my 'blowback from Mali' comment from above because Reuters stated the militants planned this attack two months ago. Another source claimed the militants originally wanted to kidnap the hostages and take them away from In Amenas to another location where it would be harder for military forces to rescue them.

So, now I ask, what should have been done instead?


Clearly, they should've consulted with you.
 
2013-01-17 07:26:56 PM

Pesky_Humans: You never fail to reinforce why I have you labeled as a GOP shill.


That you're retarded and/or can't take a joke?
 
2013-01-17 08:08:52 PM

FormlessOne: lumiere: FormlessOne: So, if the numbers are any indication, the terrorists didn't give a rat's rancid rectum about the Algerian hostages - they simply took everybody hostage, and started blowing away the foreigners when the military raid humped a bunk. Algeria's military is desperately trying to confuse what happened, so that they don't end up with a dozen countries kicking the diplomatic shiat out of them for deciding it was OK to endanger the lives of foreign workers just to show that Algeria was "tough on terrorism."

Algeria's looking at a lot of ass-kicking shortly, I think.

Oh the ass-kicking has already started. Al-Jazeera had a Washington DC correspondent who tore Algeria a new one.  At least NObama can sigh in relief that this is not a Benghazi repeat.

I agree the Algerian military reacted brazenly, but what many critics may seem to forget is that Algeria has been fighting these terrorists since the early 90s. And with Algeria bordering both Mali and Libya, it seems like the fundamentalist threat will only get worse.  Among the eleven militants killed, they had three Egyptians, two Algerians, two Tunisians, two Libyans, a Frenchman and a Malian.  Arab Spring, anyone?

Also, disregard my 'blowback from Mali' comment from above because Reuters stated the militants planned this attack two months ago. Another source claimed the militants originally wanted to kidnap the hostages and take them away from In Amenas to another location where it would be harder for military forces to rescue them.

So, now I ask, what should have been done instead?

Clearly, they should've consulted with you.


Who is they?
 
2013-01-17 09:01:18 PM
Maybe the government should consider an assault weapons ban?

/I kid, I kid
//I'm sure they already have one there.
 
2013-01-17 09:14:59 PM
Al Jazeera's Paul Brennan, following the hostage situation from London, said Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika has allied himself with the West in the fight against al-Qaeda.

Close enough?
 
2013-01-17 09:56:36 PM
Did you hear that sometimes a Subway "footlong" is only eleven inches?
 
2013-01-17 11:44:27 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-18 03:26:08 AM

lumiere: , now I ask, what should have been done instead?


Wait for international help. All that aside, talking with my coworkers here in France, this was the prediction of what would happen. The Algerian military isn't capable of precision raids. From what I've read in the French press the Algerians had the terrorists surrounded and there was not way out.
 
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