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(CBS New York)   Arizona Cardinals fullback Reagan Mauia says he met Manti Te'o's fake dead girlfriend, Lennay Kekua, in person in 2011 - before she started allegedly dating Te'o - and that Mauia and Kekua became friends and Mauia was close to Kekua's family   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 500
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2013-01-17 08:51:00 AM
This is gonna be a hilarious 30 For 30 some day.
 
2013-01-17 08:54:57 AM
Did they eat kukui nuts and drink kona coffee? Celebrate a melekilikimaka?
 
2013-01-17 08:55:59 AM
Yeah, but she's from Canada. You wouldn't know her.
 
2013-01-17 08:56:23 AM
What kind of a name is Reagan?
 
2013-01-17 08:57:27 AM

DamnYankees: This is gonna be a hilarious 30 For 30 some day.


I wonder if there will be a part about how ESPN spiked the story so as not to upset their hero-worshiping viewers.
 
2013-01-17 08:58:26 AM

God-is-a-Taco: What kind of a name is Reagan?


A sainted one, at least on the Politics tab.
 
2013-01-17 08:58:34 AM

Cybernetic: Yeah, but she's from Canada. You wouldn't know her.


Damn it! Beat me by 2 minutes...
 
2013-01-17 08:58:44 AM
Tim Tebow talks to his imaginary father all the time and no one says a word but Manti Te'o has one imaginary dead girlfriend and everyone flips their shiat.
 
2013-01-17 08:58:49 AM
Pa pa ooo mau mau pa pa ooo...
 
GBB
2013-01-17 08:58:56 AM
Where's the Language Selection drop-down for Fark? I can't find it.
 
2013-01-17 08:59:39 AM
Poi is thicker than water.
 
2013-01-17 09:00:08 AM
I think this is sweet and inevitable. It only took 20, 25 years of internet usage within the general population before the media publically shammed a celebrity for being scammed by a fake boyfriend/fake girlfriend. Of course, money is involved.

Dude's a dupe, a victim.

So what should the legal punishment be for faking an online persona in order to fake a relationship with a dupe? or faking an online persona in order to get cash and gifts? or faking an online persona in order to scam charity money from others?
 
2013-01-17 09:00:09 AM

DamnYankees: This is gonna be a hilarious 30 For 30 some day.


What if I told you that "Weekend At Rudy's" was based on a true story?
 
2013-01-17 09:00:40 AM
i.imgur.com

Already tired of this story.
 
2013-01-17 09:01:14 AM
Can he just come out and tell us he's gay? We are far more accepting of that than someone having a creepy fake dead girlfriend. It's ok to be gay, Manti. We won't love you any less. You dont have to double down
 
2013-01-17 09:03:41 AM
I like to think of this whole Manti Te'o story as Sleepless in Seattle meets Fight Club.
 
2013-01-17 09:04:45 AM

LDM90: Pa pa ooo mau mau pa pa ooo...


Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

I must fight this...  must...  fight...  it...
 
2013-01-17 09:04:52 AM
So was it a lie, or am I watching Catfish?
 
2013-01-17 09:04:54 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: I think this is sweet and inevitable. It only took 20, 25 years of internet usage within the general population before the media publically shammed a celebrity for being scammed by a fake boyfriend/fake girlfriend. Of course, money is involved.

Dude's a dupe, a victim.And he isn't very good at defense either based on what 'Bama did to him.

/FTFY

 
2013-01-17 09:04:58 AM

Swoop1809: Can he just come out and tell us he's gay? We are far more accepting of that than someone having a creepy fake dead girlfriend. It's ok to be gay, Manti. We won't love you any less. You dont have to double down


Hell, I'd argue that he'd be better off admitting this. Cut the lies, the bullshiat, etc. Just come out already. Yeah, you'll have problems with some of the more ignorant fools on whatever team drafts you, but fark 'em. Be a trailblazer...and be HONEST most of all.
 
2013-01-17 09:05:27 AM

Swoop1809: Can he just come out and tell us he's gay? We are far more accepting of that than someone having a creepy fake dead girlfriend. It's ok to be gay, Manti. We won't love you any less. You dont have to double down


If he were gay, there are plenty of rent-a-beards out there. Why fall in love with a fake persona, and establish a long distance relationship with them? Why not fall for any of the fake (and real) gay personas out there instead?

Dude established a new millenium relationship online. Media only gives a fark because a charity and the heisman competition are involved. I still say he got duped, just like a lot of people.
 
2013-01-17 09:05:30 AM
If nothing else, these Manti Te'o threads will be good for playing "spot the Notre Dame alums."
 
2013-01-17 09:05:56 AM
Sounds like a job for Diamond Head. We could call it: Code Name: Diamond Head.
 
2013-01-17 09:06:40 AM

sigdiamond2000: If nothing else, these Manti Te'o threads will be good for playing "spot the Notre Dame alums."


About 1/5000th of Notre Dame fans have actually earned a credit from there.
 
2013-01-17 09:08:11 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Dude's a dupe, a victim.


Only problem with this is that Manti, his father, and the university all claimed more than once and on separate occasions that Manti and his "girlfriend" had frequently met each other and spent time together in person. It's pretty clear that he was in on the whole sham on some level.

Check out the Deadspin article for more info: Link
 
2013-01-17 09:08:30 AM

JerseyTim: sigdiamond2000: If nothing else, these Manti Te'o threads will be good for playing "spot the Notre Dame alums."

About 1/5000th of Notre Dame fans have actually earned a credit from there.


Good point.
 
2013-01-17 09:09:07 AM

FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Dude's a dupe, a victim.


Only problem with this is that Manti, his father, and the university all claimed more than once and on separate occasions that Manti and his "girlfriend" had frequently met each other and spent time together in person. It's pretty clear that he was in on the whole sham on some level.

Check out the Deadspin article for more info: Link


Also, the idea he's a dupe is just not plausible. We live in the age of Skype and Facetime. He never did a video chat with this person? Please.
 
2013-01-17 09:11:23 AM
Look, IF he was catfished for 4 years....IT WAS 4 FARKING YEARS.

If he is lying to cover up something, he'll be the butt of jokes for a long time.  If he legitimately was hoaxed...he'll be the butt of jokes for a long time.

He's either a conman or just epically stupid.
 
2013-01-17 09:11:39 AM
The girlfriend, much like ND's football prowess, is fake?
 
2013-01-17 09:13:02 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Dude's a dupe, a victim.


Yeah, hes gonna be victiming right to the bank. This dude is gonna be able to demand millions for an interview at this point. This probably wont even hurt his draft chances. At the very least he ran with what might have started out as a hoax on him. At the point he went with it, he became implicit in it.
 
2013-01-17 09:13:03 AM

sigdiamond2000: If nothing else, these Manti Te'o threads will be good for playing "spot the Notre Dame alums."


Does ND have alums? I thought all ND fans were just mouth breathing assholes who happen to be Catholic, Irish or both.

/Irish Catholic herritage
 
2013-01-17 09:14:48 AM

TheDumbBlonde: The girlfriend, much like ND's football prowess, is fake?


and both ended as a joke this month
 
2013-01-17 09:15:06 AM

thecpt: So was it a lie, or am I watching Catfish?


Remember this biatch?

24.media.tumblr.com

Maybe not. Fark doesn't do Black Twitterverse stories (see also, the suicide of Freddie E two weeks ago after he was allegedly slipped some molly on his birthday). Anyway, the Jasmine and Mike story was fked up -- and completely normal, in this day and age. Mhissy is a sociopath.
 
2013-01-17 09:16:37 AM

Swoop1809: Can he just come out and tell us he's gay? We are far more accepting of that than someone having a creepy fake dead girlfriend. It's ok to be gay, Manti. We won't love you any less. You dont have to double down


He's going all in on this one.  Forget doubling down, Te'o is betting the entire stack.  (as well as his position in the draft order this year)
 
2013-01-17 09:18:30 AM

LucklessWonder: God-is-a-Taco: What kind of a name is Reagan?

A sainted one, at least on the Politics tab.


a sainted one for purveyors of redheaded pron.
 
2013-01-17 09:19:40 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: thecpt: So was it a lie, or am I watching Catfish?

Remember this biatch?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]

Maybe not. Fark doesn't do Black Twitterverse stories (see also, the suicide of Freddie E two weeks ago after he was allegedly slipped some molly on his birthday). Anyway, the Jasmine and Mike story was fked up -- and completely normal, in this day and age. Mhissy is a sociopath.


Oh was that one of the episodes? I heard there was a batshiat crazy one and haven't seen it. Roommate watches them so I have only seen around 3 in passing. Its fun to bet on what the Catfish actually looks like.
 
2013-01-17 09:20:50 AM
Over the years I have had to take off work to attend the funerals of seventeen grandmothers.

/They were real to me.
 
2013-01-17 09:21:16 AM
At least Johnny Manziel won the Heisman. Imagine the voting if this bullshiat wasn't always in the air.

Hell, since it's obvious he was compliant in this, he should be vacated from the list of eligible recipients.
 
2013-01-17 09:22:31 AM
Next stop for Te'o: Oprah.
 
2013-01-17 09:23:11 AM

TheDumbBlonde: Next stop for Te'o: Oprah.


This sure makes that Lance story coming out today pretty irrelevant.
 
2013-01-17 09:23:16 AM
Arizona Cardinals fullback Reagan Mauia said he met Lennay Kekua in person during an outreach trip with Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers and others in June 2011.

I am curious if Polamalu was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua.
 
2013-01-17 09:25:07 AM
If this lasted a month, maybe 2 months, I could see him just being duped. But several years? No way in hell
 
2013-01-17 09:25:56 AM
FTFA : I am close to her family.

Yeah? There is a big pile of reporters who would pay that family for an interview. Assuming the family actually exists. There seems to be no evidence that they do.

FinFangFark: He's either a conman or just epically stupid.


It's not necessarily an either/or situation. I suspect it's both.
 
2013-01-17 09:26:00 AM

FinFangFark: TheDumbBlonde: Next stop for Te'o: Oprah.

This sure makes that Lance story coming out today pretty irrelevant.


That's why he didn't stay with Sheryl Crow
 
2013-01-17 09:27:25 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: I think this is sweet and inevitable. It only took 20, 25 years of internet usage within the general population before the media publically shammed a celebrity for being scammed by a fake boyfriend/fake girlfriend. Of course, money is involved.

Dude's a dupe, a victim.

So what should the legal punishment be for faking an online persona in order to fake a relationship with a dupe? or faking an online persona in order to get cash and gifts? or faking an online persona in order to scam charity money from others?


Your point operates on the premise that he was the most naive and stupid person on the planet. Four years and he never met her in person (Wait, he claimed that he did)? Skyped? "Duped" his father and former teammates into believing that she was real? If he knew her for four years, why didn't he go to her funeral, talk to her family, etc.?

I agree with the person in the last thread that cited Occam's Razor. He's gay, and this gave him a convenient excuse to ignore everything that was thrown his way (and garner sympathy votes in the process). The media seems to be trying their damnedest to turn Te'O into a victim of some nasty prankster (again, for FOUR FARKING YEARS), but I don't buy it.
 
2013-01-17 09:28:11 AM

Lost Thought 00: If this lasted a month, maybe 2 months, I could see him just being duped. But several years? No way in hell


Exactly.

Let's say Mauia is right, and there is some woman out there scamming these Samoan football players...or even the Tuiososopa kid is involved in it.  This went on for 4 years.  At some point, you have to wonder where the "relationship" was heading, right?  So either Te'o knew at some point it was a hoax, and ran with it, or he was just flat out dubbed for 4 years...which makes him the meme of all memes.

But I still stick with my initial thought, the gay guy creating an online beard for his family, and it gets out of control.
 
2013-01-17 09:28:25 AM

NaziKamikaze: At least Johnny Manziel won the Heisman. Imagine the voting if this bullshiat wasn't always in the air.

Hell, since it's obvious he was compliant in this, he should be vacated from the list of eligible recipients.


That is one reason why I think this was a marketing scheme setup by either ND, an agent or a booster to raise Teo's Heisman stock. Also if this was just Teo doing this himself without the school's knowledge, I don't think they would be sticking with him through all of this especially with this thing getting sillier and sillier by the minute. ND is part of this hoax and they are trying to keep it from coming out.
 
2013-01-17 09:28:29 AM

DamnYankees: Also, the idea he's a dupe is just not plausible. We live in the age of Skype and Facetime. He never did a video chat with this person? Please.


We know many football players aren't that bright, but I wonder what his grades were at Notre Dame.  For non-football players, the academics there are rigorous.  Like, can the kid get a 3.0 at Notre Dame, but not figure out his g/f isn't real?  That doesn't compute with me.
 
2013-01-17 09:32:08 AM

SlothB77: DamnYankees: Also, the idea he's a dupe is just not plausible. We live in the age of Skype and Facetime. He never did a video chat with this person? Please.

We know many football players aren't that bright, but I wonder what his grades were at Notre Dame.  For non-football players, the academics there are rigorous.  Like, can the kid get a 3.0 at Notre Dame, but not figure out his g/f isn't real?  That doesn't compute with me.


There are plenty of smart people that get taken like this. I'm not saying he is one of them, but it isn't that uncommon. Getting taken like this often has more to do with naivety than with smarts.
 
2013-01-17 09:32:41 AM
Also, for people saying that he was a naive victim, what do you think is going to happen from people competing with him for draft stock when he gets to the combine? What's going to happen when he steps onto an NFL field for the first time? Coming out (and, granted, as a hetero guy, I can't pretend to empathize with the pressures of doing that) might actually be easier than doubling down and denying it like this.
 
2013-01-17 09:34:22 AM

ongbok: SlothB77: DamnYankees: Also, the idea he's a dupe is just not plausible. We live in the age of Skype and Facetime. He never did a video chat with this person? Please.

We know many football players aren't that bright, but I wonder what his grades were at Notre Dame.  For non-football players, the academics there are rigorous.  Like, can the kid get a 3.0 at Notre Dame, but not figure out his g/f isn't real?  That doesn't compute with me.

There are plenty of smart people that get taken like this. I'm not saying he is one of them, but it isn't that uncommon. Getting taken like this often has more to do with naivety than with smarts.


He'll fall for the play action fake every single time if he's that naive.
 
2013-01-17 09:34:56 AM
So some b/tards owned a college footbal player? Why is this such big news?
 
2013-01-17 09:35:04 AM
huh ?
 
2013-01-17 09:35:08 AM
It is possible he was duped at first, I suppose, but if he wasn't in on it at the start he got in at some point for the publicity.

Some of the details (look up all the crap about him calling her in the hospital and her reacting to his voice when she was in her coma) extend far beyond what some asshole hoaxer would do for...what? There hasn't been any indication they were duping him to extort him. So why perpetrate this multi year complex fraud against him?

I don't believe someone perpetrates a 4 year hoax just for the lulz. The only motivations that exists for this are all Teo's, he's the one that benefits from it with sympathetic soft lighted worshipping interviews from ESPN, and with media attention for his school and his Heisman campaign (he was 2nd! Really? He was the second best player in college football this year? Looked like Alabama had about 10 better players than him....)

As for his NFL payoff, I honestly don't see this affecting it. Even if it turns out he was in on it the whole time, some teams might adjust his draft value out of character concerns, but if he is good enough he'll still get drafted and paid. If he's as good as ESPN has anointed him, he'll go in the first round, regardless of what happens with his fake dead girlfriend.
 
2013-01-17 09:35:38 AM

abhorrent1: So some b/tards owned a college footbal player? Why is this such big news?


That isn't the news.
 
2013-01-17 09:36:02 AM
Obligatory Nosuch Dame pun.
 
2013-01-17 09:36:16 AM
OK here's my problem. This morning on Sportscenter they talked to the reporter who wrote the story. He admitted he couldn't find a story about her dying, couldn't find a death notice, couldn't find an obituary, Te'o wouldn't let him see a photo of her, and wouldn't let him contact her family - and he went with the story anyway. Why isn't anyone calling him out for being a bad farking journalist?
 
2013-01-17 09:36:54 AM
At this point, I'm pretty much going to have to see a corpse to believe these clowns.
 
2013-01-17 09:38:20 AM
man, they should run this drama during the day, i bet a lot of detergent products could be sold with it.
 
2013-01-17 09:38:33 AM

God-is-a-Taco: What kind of a name is Reagan?


Is it because it's a past prez that you bring this up? It's not even that weird o uncommon, especially compared to other NFL names.
Have you not heard of Plaxico Burress? Knowshon Moreno? Tshimanga Biakabutuka? There's hundreds of much weirder ones than "reagan". Had he been named Carter I'm sure it wouldn't even be worth mentioning, eh?
 
2013-01-17 09:38:40 AM

Crewmannumber6: OK here's my problem. This morning on Sportscenter they talked to the reporter who wrote the story. He admitted he couldn't find a story about her dying, couldn't find a death notice, couldn't find an obituary, Te'o wouldn't let him see a photo of her, and wouldn't let him contact her family - and he went with the story anyway. Why isn't anyone calling him out for being a bad farking journalist?


Plenty of blame (and if it still existed, shame) to go around. You are right, though. That guy should get sh*t canned, ASAP.
 
2013-01-17 09:38:59 AM

ongbok: NaziKamikaze: At least Johnny Manziel won the Heisman. Imagine the voting if this bullshiat wasn't always in the air.

Hell, since it's obvious he was compliant in this, he should be vacated from the list of eligible recipients.

That is one reason why I think this was a marketing scheme setup by either ND, an agent or a booster to raise Teo's Heisman stock. Also if this was just Teo doing this himself without the school's knowledge, I don't think they would be sticking with him through all of this especially with this thing getting sillier and sillier by the minute. ND is part of this hoax and they are trying to keep it from coming out.


I too don't understand ND's motivation to support Teo. If he is a fraud, throw him under the bus and protect the institution. I however don't think the school is "in on it." What would they have to gain from such a scheme? Maybe publicity from the Heisman campaign but that only happened in year 4 of this charade.

I think Teo had convinced the administration that he is a victim. Pathological liars will spin any situation to suit their needs. They are very good at convincing people. Just my theory though.

/this while thing is hilarious
//Catfish and Lance Armstrong are doing backflips with joy today
 
2013-01-17 09:39:54 AM

FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Dude's a dupe, a victim.


Only problem with this is that Manti, his father, and the university all claimed more than once and on separate occasions that Manti and his "girlfriend" had frequently met each other and spent time together in person. It's pretty clear that he was in on the whole sham on some level.

Check out the Deadspin article for more info: Link


Thanks for the link. Lot of interesting info. Still doesn't mean he wasn't duped at some point. I had a lot to say, until I got to this part of the story:

"That photo hadn't appeared on the internet-at least, not to Reba's knowledge. She had taken it in December 2012 and sent it directly to an old high school acquaintance. The two hadn't talked since graduation, but the classmate, whom Reba remembered fondly, contacted her on Facebook with a somewhat convoluted request: His cousin had been in a serious car accident, and he had seen her photos before and thought she was pretty. Would she be so kind as to take a picture of herself holding up a sign reading "MSMK," to put in a slideshow to support the cousin's recovery? (He didn't explain what MSMK meant, and Reba still doesn't know.) Baffled but trusting, Reba made the sign and sent along the photo.

And now here it was on a dead girl's Twitter profile. After googling Lennay Kekua's name, Reba began to piece things together. She called up the classmate. He expressed alarm, Reba told us later, and "immediately began acting weird." "Don't worry about it," he told her. Moments after the phone call, Reba's picture was removed from the @LoveMSMK Twitter profile. Then, in a series of lengthy phone calls, Reba told us everything she knew about the classmate, a star high school quarterback turned religious musician named Ronaiah Tuiasosopo."


So if you tell a biatch she's pretty, she'll do anything without questioning it? Sounds about right. So we come to this:

FTFA: "And there was something else: Tuiasosopo had been in a car accident a month before Lennay's supposed accident."

Is this why folks up above are saying that Manti is gay? If Tuiasosopo is getting pictures from female acquaintances and off the internet to send to his best bro, and setting up women in real life to stand in for the fake Lennay (allegedly), ...... doesn't mean Manti is in on it. Just may mean that, like Jasmine above, Manti got 'Mike'd' by Tuiasosopo.

Until more evidence (especially since Manti's father and mother had also communicated with Lennay), I'm still edging towards Manti being the dupe here. This dupe was elaborate, but so was the one that got that dude from the Eagles and a bunch of rich writer hippies caught up several years ago.

Why would Tuiasosopo do that to his best bro, though? Gay shiat, or Mhissy style trolling?
 
2013-01-17 09:39:58 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: Four years and he never met her in person (Wait, he claimed that he did)?


Well, it's possible he met SOMEone who was supposedly the person behind the accounts.

/seriously, wtf is "Catfish" and why the hell have so many people heard of it?
//I mean, I looked it up...I just want to know why anyone who knows anything about football would also have a connection with that
 
2013-01-17 09:40:33 AM

Crewmannumber6: OK here's my problem. This morning on Sportscenter they talked to the reporter who wrote the story. He admitted he couldn't find a story about her dying, couldn't find a death notice, couldn't find an obituary, Te'o wouldn't let him see a photo of her, and wouldn't let him contact her family - and he went with the story anyway. Why isn't anyone calling him out for being a bad farking journalist?


Because he's not wrong?

Try RTFA next time.
 
2013-01-17 09:40:42 AM

SlothB77: Arizona Cardinals fullback Reagan Mauia said he met Lennay Kekua in person during an outreach trip with Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers and others in June 2011.

I am curious if Polamalu was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua.


Word on Pittsburgh radio was that Polamau was somehow involved, but it's not clear if he was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua. There might be some sort of relationship between Polamalu and Te'o, but that does not mean that Polamalu had any information about Maiua or Kekua. It's unfortunate that we cannot ask Seau about the relationships between Polamua, Te'o, Mauai and Kekua, so we may have to ask Manu Tuiasosopo or Tui Alailefaleula.
 
2013-01-17 09:41:55 AM
The biggest loser in this story? Oprah. No one cares about Lance Armstrong now.
 
2013-01-17 09:42:03 AM

Lost Thought 00: If this lasted a month, maybe 2 months, I could see him just being duped. But several years? No way in hell


How many people here were duped by ... a certain poster here who fled to Reddit when the well went dry .. for several years?
 
2013-01-17 09:42:37 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-17 09:42:46 AM

Bartleby the Scrivener: Word on Pittsburgh radio was that Polamau was somehow involved, but it's not clear if he was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua. There might be some sort of relationship between Polamalu and Te'o, but that does not mean that Polamalu had any information about Maiua or Kekua. It's unfortunate that we cannot ask Seau about the relationships between Polamua, Te'o, Mauai and Kekua, so we may have to ask Manu Tuiasosopo or Tui Alailefaleula.


Thanks for consonant-overload headache.
 
2013-01-17 09:43:39 AM

TheDumbBlonde: Bartleby the Scrivener: Word on Pittsburgh radio was that Polamau was somehow involved, but it's not clear if he was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua. There might be some sort of relationship between Polamalu and Te'o, but that does not mean that Polamalu had any information about Maiua or Kekua. It's unfortunate that we cannot ask Seau about the relationships between Polamua, Te'o, Mauai and Kekua, so we may have to ask Manu Tuiasosopo or Tui Alailefaleula.

Thanks for consonant-overload headache.


Vowel. Vowel overload.
 
2013-01-17 09:43:41 AM

Frozboz: The biggest loser in this story? Oprah. No one cares about Lance Armstrong now.


Excellent point. I bet Lance is actually sad he won't be getting the attention, too.
 
2013-01-17 09:43:55 AM

TheDumbBlonde: Thanks for consonant-overload headache.


Ummm there's usually too many vowels in Polynesian names (compared to "normal" names).
 
2013-01-17 09:44:30 AM
Bah you fixed yourself first.
 
2013-01-17 09:46:01 AM

JuggleGeek: FTFA : I am close to her family.

Yeah? There is a big pile of reporters who would pay that family for an interview. Assuming the family actually exists. There seems to be no evidence that they do.


Sure there is: Mauia said he was introduced to Kekua by Tuiasosopo

It's clear that Ronaiah Tuiasosopo is a central figure in all of this. It's not just a coincidence that he knows Manti and this guy as well. And he's already been tied to the Twitter account of this "woman" and the person of facebook account he got the fake pictures from.

So there are a ton of questions revolving around this guy:

- Was this just a hoax he perpetrated with a female friend - an actress to fool Teo over the phone and Mauia in person?
- What was their end game with the hoax? If it's financial, why did the Notre Dame AD come out and say that there was no extortion attempt and why didn't he report it to the authorities?
- Is he just some troubled kid that wanted access to great football players so he could live out his failed football career vicariously through them?

That's if you take this at face value that the whole thing is a hoax that he created himself and everyone is just a victim of it. As has been stated numerous times, the Te'o family has talked about meetings in person going back to 2009 at a Stanford game, so that's obviously BS. Is it just a bullshiat story made up by Te'o to hide the fact that he only had some ridiculous online relationship going on and wanted to make it sound real to his family? Or is there something more he's trying to cover up there? I'd say the latter.

And I don't buy into the whole doing it for publicity bit at all. Te'o was the #1 linebacker coming out of college, he'd been a very good NFL player, and he had plenty of NFL buzz last year. Notre Dame going 12-0 would've automatically boosted his profile anyways since he was the best player and leader of the defense.
 
2013-01-17 09:46:07 AM

js34603: It is possible he was duped at first, I suppose, but if he wasn't in on it at the start he got in at some point for the publicity.

Some of the details (look up all the crap about him calling her in the hospital and her reacting to his voice when she was in her coma) extend far beyond what some asshole hoaxer would do for...what? There hasn't been any indication they were duping him to extort him. So why perpetrate this multi year complex fraud against him?

I don't believe someone perpetrates a 4 year hoax just for the lulz. The only motivations that exists for this are all Teo's, he's the one that benefits from it with sympathetic soft lighted worshipping interviews from ESPN, and with media attention for his school and his Heisman campaign (he was 2nd! Really? He was the second best player in college football this year? Looked like Alabama had about 10 better players than him....)

As for his NFL payoff, I honestly don't see this affecting it. Even if it turns out he was in on it the whole time, some teams might adjust his draft value out of character concerns, but if he is good enough he'll still get drafted and paid. If he's as good as ESPN has anointed him, he'll go in the first round, regardless of what happens with his fake dead girlfriend.


either way the guy is a habitual liar

either he was dumb as hell for 4 years, realized he got hoaxed by his best friend and THEN lied to a ridiculous degree to get sympathy

or he was in on it

there's not really any good way to spin the story for the guy
 
2013-01-17 09:46:59 AM
My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Lennay die at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2013-01-17 09:46:59 AM

DamnYankees: FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Dude's a dupe, a victim.


Only problem with this is that Manti, his father, and the university all claimed more than once and on separate occasions that Manti and his "girlfriend" had frequently met each other and spent time together in person. It's pretty clear that he was in on the whole sham on some level.

Check out the Deadspin article for more info: Link

Also, the idea he's a dupe is just not plausible. We live in the age of Skype and Facetime. He never did a video chat with this person? Please.


Hell 14 or so years ago I was using the little videoconferencing program that came with windows. I think it was called netmeeting. Anyway, that technology has been usable by anyone with a webcam almost as long as this kid has been alive.

Definitely not plausible unless they had a real girl on the other end playing Lennay. I doubt that happened because the guy was sent pics of another girl who wasnt in on it.
 
2013-01-17 09:47:30 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: ExperianScaresCthulhu: I think this is sweet and inevitable. It only took 20, 25 years of internet usage within the general population before the media publically shammed a celebrity for being scammed by a fake boyfriend/fake girlfriend. Of course, money is involved.

Dude's a dupe, a victim.

So what should the legal punishment be for faking an online persona in order to fake a relationship with a dupe? or faking an online persona in order to get cash and gifts? or faking an online persona in order to scam charity money from others?

Your point operates on the premise that he was the most naive and stupid person on the planet. Four years and he never met her in person (Wait, he claimed that he did)? Skyped? "Duped" his father and former teammates into believing that she was real? If he knew her for four years, why didn't he go to her funeral, talk to her family, etc.?

I agree with the person in the last thread that cited Occam's Razor. He's gay, and this gave him a convenient excuse to ignore everything that was thrown his way (and garner sympathy votes in the process). The media seems to be trying their damnedest to turn Te'O into a victim of some nasty prankster (again, for FOUR FARKING YEARS), but I don't buy it.


It's because it happens. And the media is treating it unsympathetically because money and a charity are involved. But yes, it is possible to be duped for years. If women can be duped into thinking they're marrying a man (the wooden toilet roll story that was posted here a couple months back people still reference, or the Brandon Teena story with the dildo), then somebody else can dupe an entire family that they're real and that there's a perfectly plausible reason why no one should go to their funeral.
 
2013-01-17 09:48:36 AM
Wow - TIL Somoa is not in the Caribbean, but is out in the middle of f***ing nowhere.

Somoa

/geography fail
 
2013-01-17 09:48:48 AM
stuffpoint.com
 
2013-01-17 09:48:51 AM
In other news, there are still fullbacks in the NFL.
 
2013-01-17 09:50:57 AM

IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: Four years and he never met her in person (Wait, he claimed that he did)?

Well, it's possible he met SOMEone who was supposedly the person behind the accounts.

/seriously, wtf is "Catfish" and why the hell have so many people heard of it?
//I mean, I looked it up...I just want to know why anyone who knows anything about football would also have a connection with that


Well the movie was decent, but now it's popular due to MTV and it's a perfect label for an emerging and alarming trend.

Really, I don't think that show is scripted. They found one of the best ways to find the crazy in the world on the cheap.
 
2013-01-17 09:51:35 AM

thecpt: ExperianScaresCthulhu: thecpt: So was it a lie, or am I watching Catfish?

Remember this biatch?

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]

Maybe not. Fark doesn't do Black Twitterverse stories (see also, the suicide of Freddie E two weeks ago after he was allegedly slipped some molly on his birthday). Anyway, the Jasmine and Mike story was fked up -- and completely normal, in this day and age. Mhissy is a sociopath.

Oh was that one of the episodes? I heard there was a batshiat crazy one and haven't seen it. Roommate watches them so I have only seen around 3 in passing. Its fun to bet on what the Catfish actually looks like.


Yeah, man. Mhissy got mad that Jasmine liked her man and her man returned the feeling, so Mhissy invented an entirely different dude for Jasmine to fall in love with so that she would be less likely to get close to her man. With the fked up thing being that (of course) Mhissy's man was rather worthless, but she was willing to hold onto him by any means necessary because....
 
2013-01-17 09:57:06 AM

IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: Four years and he never met her in person (Wait, he claimed that he did)?

Well, it's possible he met SOMEone who was supposedly the person behind the accounts.

/seriously, wtf is "Catfish" and why the hell have so many people heard of it?
//I mean, I looked it up...I just want to know why anyone who knows anything about football would also have a connection with that


Its called Netflix and there are only so many movies with Tom Cruise or Matt Damon running around doing the most unrealistic and absurd stunts one can watch before they get tired of that shiat and want to watch something else.  The concept of Catfish was original in that no other movie had centered the plot on a relationship formed solely via social media and how that could develop over time.
 
2013-01-17 09:57:16 AM
Lackanookie
 
2013-01-17 09:57:56 AM

Igor Jakovsky: DamnYankees: FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Dude's a dupe, a victim.


Only problem with this is that Manti, his father, and the university all claimed more than once and on separate occasions that Manti and his "girlfriend" had frequently met each other and spent time together in person. It's pretty clear that he was in on the whole sham on some level.

Check out the Deadspin article for more info: Link

Also, the idea he's a dupe is just not plausible. We live in the age of Skype and Facetime. He never did a video chat with this person? Please.

Hell 14 or so years ago I was using the little videoconferencing program that came with windows. I think it was called netmeeting. Anyway, that technology has been usable by anyone with a webcam almost as long as this kid has been alive. Definitely not plausible unless they had a real girl on the other end playing Lennay. I doubt that happened because the guy was sent pics of another girl who wasnt in on it.


Picture Ims/Netmeetings/Skype video conferencing can be faked in real time. Adult Chat Hos have been using (and perfecting) the technology for like 15 years, man. A phone call don't mean shiat. Meetings don't have to mean shiat. A skype meeting doesn't mean shiat either.
 
2013-01-17 09:58:32 AM

thecpt: Well the movie was decent, but now it's popular due to MTV and it's a perfect label for an emerging and alarming trend.

Really, I don't think that show is scripted. They found one of the best ways to find the crazy in the world on the cheap.


i don't watch MTV anymore.  They have a show that is basically a reality version of Catfish now?
 
2013-01-17 09:59:29 AM
It is possible that they met several times and it still be a scam.
 
2013-01-17 09:59:38 AM

FinFangFark: Lost Thought 00: If this lasted a month, maybe 2 months, I could see him just being duped. But several years? No way in hell

Exactly.

Let's say Mauia is right, and there is some woman out there scamming these Samoan football players...or even the Tuiososopa kid is involved in it.  This went on for 4 years.  At some point, you have to wonder where the "relationship" was heading, right?  So either Te'o knew at some point it was a hoax, and ran with it, or he was just flat out dubbed for 4 years...which makes him the meme of all memes.

But I still stick with my initial thought, the gay guy creating an online beard for his family, and it gets out of control.


I dont get why he have to make a fake beard. As someone upthread said, there a shiat ton of women on campus that would go out with him just because he's johnny football hero. Hes supposed to be a devout mormon so he can play the celibacy card and doesnt even have to fake the actual romance part of it. He may have to kiss the icky girl every now and then but that would be about it I think. This would work out much better because everyone would see him with the girl. It would be a lot harder to fake her death for sympathy though. That could be problematic.
 
2013-01-17 10:02:22 AM
I don't think they were "boyfriend and girlfriend" for four years.

So what starts as a setup by a hanger on(er) intensifies in his senior year with a money grab planned after the draft.

Plans to meet - expressions of love.

But as the "missed" dates and meetups pile up - the mark loses interest.

the "prankster" looks to string him along with car accidents and cancer as reasons for not being able to meet and when even that's doesn't work - well cut and run "she's dead".

I grew up around some of these insulated religious islanders. If anyone would call someone they have only communicated with on the phone or online - it's these guys - and farkers.
 
2013-01-17 10:02:46 AM
Why would this unrelated guy come out and bolster this obviously fake story? HE'S THE BOYFRIEND. There's no other explanation.

/I don't really believe this.
 
2013-01-17 10:03:56 AM
Cybernetic: "Yeah, but she's from Canada. You wouldn't know her."

a winner is you!
 
2013-01-17 10:04:48 AM
bitchujusmad.com

got nuthin'
 
2013-01-17 10:05:18 AM
I met Lennay Kekua while on vacation one summer in Wyoming. We hit it off right from the start. She was totally hot and all, but she had another side to her...

She was a very kinky girl. The kind you don't take home to mother. She was into anal, but ONLY if her pet chicken, Waldo, could watch. Then there was the time we got kicked off the Seattle Space Needle for porking in the elevator. And I don't think I can post the details here about the three-way between me, her, and her roommate, Velma from Scooby-Doo, except to say that, yes, waffles were indeed involved.

Eventually, I had to go home, and we went our separate ways. I will never forget Lennay and that awesome week we had together in Colorado Springs. That summer in '69 made me the man I am today. :-)
 
2013-01-17 10:06:01 AM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-17 10:06:03 AM

SlothB77: thecpt: Well the movie was decent, but now it's popular due to MTV and it's a perfect label for an emerging and alarming trend.

Really, I don't think that show is scripted. They found one of the best ways to find the crazy in the world on the cheap.

i don't watch MTV anymore.  They have a show that is basically a reality version of Catfish now?


Yes. Same format as the movie only condensed to an hour. Same guy doing it but he finds someone else who may or may not be duped. Pretty good for latenight/guilty pleasure kind of stuff. I don't recommend watching it normally.
 
2013-01-17 10:06:58 AM
If...

Te'o was complicit in the story for promotional purposes, then teams will wonder about his mental stability and/or selfishness. His draft stock will drop.

Teams believe that Te'o was led on by a girl for three years without ever wondering why he could never see her, they will think he's incredibly gullible and ... well, stupid. His draft stock will drop.

Te'o is gay, and used the story for coverage ("oh, I have a girlfriend, but you can't talk about her. She's in Hawaii. And dying."), his draft stock will drop. That's just the way homophobia in sports works.

I just can't see how this can come out positive for the guy. Besides, who is in the market for a slightly undersized Samoan linebacker?
 
2013-01-17 10:09:42 AM
For those wondering why he doesn't just come out, he's an Hawaiian mormon, who are (at least generally) very sheltered and conservative, and is going to the school that hasn't let a LGBT group form for 20 years, and now they are letting it form, they are forcing the group to promote chastity.

Add in to the fact that his dad probably didn't want to believe his star football son was gay, I can understand why he created the girlfriend (though the car accident/cancer part was not smart)
 
2013-01-17 10:09:43 AM

coolio mack:
And I don't buy into the whole doing it for publicity bit at all. Te'o was the #1 linebacker coming out of college, he'd been a very good NFL player, and he had plenty of NFL buzz last year. Notre Dame going 12-0 would've automatically boosted his profile anyways since he was the best player and leader of the defense.


It's not Manti who's the issue here. Like you pointed out above who the real central figure is... just gotta figure out his angle.
- Troll job? (any number of dudes at who put the lulz before anything else)
- Revenge plot? (Mhissy)
- Just bored and it was interesting to keep it going? (any number of women who use their daughter's high school photos to trawl horny men on adult dating sites)
- Money, gifts, notoriety and feeling loved/important? (the Total Farker who fled to Reddit)

A dude scamming another dude doesn't mean that the second dude is gay. Just means the second dude got duped. It was real to Manti, dammit. And yeah, this started out as Manti being duped and being completely innocent.

I hope he didn't run with it, though.
 
2013-01-17 10:10:02 AM
This is a really slow news day.
 
2013-01-17 10:10:22 AM

SlothB77: Arizona Cardinals fullback Reagan Mauia said he met Lennay Kekua in person during an outreach trip with Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers and others in June 2011.

I am curious if Polamalu was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua.


Shaka, when the walls fell.
 
2013-01-17 10:11:05 AM

Bartleby the Scrivener: so we may have to ask Manu Tuiasosopo or Tui Alailefaleula.


hahaha.  Maybe Marques Tuiasosopo.  Don't forget about him.Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala might know something.


crazytrain: Wow - TIL Somoa is not in the Caribbean, but is out in the middle of f***ing nowhere.

Somoa

/geography fail


Also spelling fail: Samoa.
 
2013-01-17 10:12:16 AM
So this guy also had a few dates with Te'o? The gay football mafia is outing itself.
 
2013-01-17 10:14:15 AM
There are some pictures that corroborate Mauia's claims that he met her in Samoa:

www.puretravel.com
 
2013-01-17 10:14:33 AM

RAWISRADFORD: I don't think they were "boyfriend and girlfriend" for four years.

So what starts as a setup by a hanger on(er) intensifies in his senior year with a money grab planned after the draft.

Plans to meet - expressions of love.

But as the "missed" dates and meetups pile up - the mark loses interest.

the "prankster" looks to string him along with car accidents and cancer as reasons for not being able to meet and when even that's doesn't work - well cut and run "she's dead".

I grew up around some of these insulated religious islanders. If anyone would call someone they have only communicated with on the phone or online - it's these guys - and farkers.


Should read

If anyone would call someone they have only communicated with on the phone or online - GIRLFRIEND - it's these guys - and farkers
 
2013-01-17 10:14:48 AM

abhorrent1: So some b/tards owned a college footbal player? Why is this such big news?


Because the evidence suggests he was in on it, and the were monetary donations made in the fake dead girls name.
 
2013-01-17 10:16:06 AM

SlothB77: Bartleby the Scrivener: so we may have to ask Manu Tuiasosopo or Tui Alailefaleula.

hahaha.  Maybe Marques Tuiasosopo.  Don't forget about him.Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala might know something.


crazytrain: Wow - TIL Somoa is not in the Caribbean, but is out in the middle of f***ing nowhere.

Somoa

/geography fail

Also spelling fail: Samoa.


Tuiasosopo is Marques's nephew or cousin our something. It's in the dead spin article linked earlier.

One of his relations died recently and is a former Cardinal. Is that the connection between Mauia and this imaginary person?
 
2013-01-17 10:16:55 AM

ATRDCI: For those wondering why he doesn't just come out, he's an Hawaiian mormon, who are (at least generally) very sheltered and conservative, and is going to the school that hasn't let a LGBT group form for 20 years, and now they are letting it form, they are forcing the group to promote chastity.

Add in to the fact that his dad probably didn't want to believe his star football son was gay, I can understand why he created the girlfriend (though the car accident/cancer part was not smart)


That's why I believe that this is not only the most likely scenario, but the one that puts Te'o in the most sympathetic light. If he comes out, he's upsetting every institution that raised him, not to mention the great unknown of being the first openly gay active athlete in an NFL locker room.
 
2013-01-17 10:17:25 AM

Frozboz: The biggest loser in this story? Oprah. No one cares about Lance Armstrong now.


Lance Armstrong is known around the world and clips from Oprah's interview with him will be shown on lots of foreign news and sports broadcasts.
Who is this Teo guy again?
 
2013-01-17 10:20:18 AM

Dansker: Frozboz: The biggest loser in this story? Oprah. No one cares about Lance Armstrong now.

Lance Armstrong is known around the world and clips from Oprah's interview with him will be shown on lots of foreign news and sports broadcasts.
Who is this Teo guy again?


But Lance doing PEDs is old news. That fight has been going on for decades. Also, nobody outside France gives a shiat about cycling.

/same thing with football and America
//America is much larger than France
 
2013-01-17 10:20:33 AM
My newest theory:

MTV hired Manti Te'o several years ago. And this is all one big viral publicity stunt for the TV show Catfish.

Or he's gay.
 
2013-01-17 10:21:14 AM
This is only really a news story because the sports media did a shiat-ass job of journalism, and blindly let this story drive their coverage of the sport.

Now that it has been revealed as fake, no matter why it's fake, the media is angry that they've been embarassed.

The media with egg on its face is the only reason this is big news.
 
2013-01-17 10:21:26 AM

SlothB77: Arizona Cardinals fullback Reagan Mauia said he met Lennay Kekua in person during an outreach trip with Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers and others in June 2011.

I am curious if Polamalu was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua.


idunno.
 
2013-01-17 10:22:07 AM

RAWISRADFORD: I grew up around some of these insulated religious islanders. If anyone would call someone they have only communicated with on the phone or online

their girlfriend - it's these guys - and farkers.

ftfy
 
2013-01-17 10:22:50 AM
Lennay Kekua sounds like a good name for a Polynesian-style Luscious Jackson tribute band
 
2013-01-17 10:23:31 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Igor Jakovsky: DamnYankees: FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Dude's a dupe, a victim.


Only problem with this is that Manti, his father, and the university all claimed more than once and on separate occasions that Manti and his "girlfriend" had frequently met each other and spent time together in person. It's pretty clear that he was in on the whole sham on some level.

Check out the Deadspin article for more info: Link

Also, the idea he's a dupe is just not plausible. We live in the age of Skype and Facetime. He never did a video chat with this person? Please.

Hell 14 or so years ago I was using the little videoconferencing program that came with windows. I think it was called netmeeting. Anyway, that technology has been usable by anyone with a webcam almost as long as this kid has been alive. Definitely not plausible unless they had a real girl on the other end playing Lennay. I doubt that happened because the guy was sent pics of another girl who wasnt in on it.

Picture Ims/Netmeetings/Skype video conferencing can be faked in real time. Adult Chat Hos have been using (and perfecting) the technology for like 15 years, man. A phone call don't mean shiat. Meetings don't have to mean shiat. A skype meeting doesn't mean shiat either.


You really want to believe.
 
2013-01-17 10:23:53 AM
Ok I've been on fark a good while and I'm a huge ND fan that can't wait to find out what happened with this bs, but what's the Tf, reddit story?
 
2013-01-17 10:23:54 AM
Is this kid mentally retarded? How does a grown-ass man - who's attending college (the would suggest a light is at least on up stairs) - claim he is in a relationship with a person he's never met in real life?


He needs to be in those annoying Subway commercials where the dick tease co-workers always steal that desk jockey's sandwich.
 
2013-01-17 10:23:58 AM
Did he really not know how to end a fake internet relationship?
You don't kill them off. You break up with them, amicably, due to growing apart over time.

I'm loving Gene Wojciechowski's spin on how he half-assed the research on the girlfriend, and basically said "oh well" when he couldn't find out any information about her.
 
2013-01-17 10:24:20 AM
A.J. McCarron +1
Monti Te'o -1
 
2013-01-17 10:24:36 AM

Lando Lincoln: This is a really slow news day.


the sad part is, actually it isn't.  there is some hostage crisis in algeria.
 
2013-01-17 10:26:11 AM
i152.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-17 10:26:23 AM

RAWISRADFORD: I don't think they were "boyfriend and girlfriend" for four years.

So what starts as a setup by a hanger on(er) intensifies in his senior year with a money grab planned after the draft.

Plans to meet - expressions of love.

But as the "missed" dates and meetups pile up - the mark loses interest.

the "prankster" looks to string him along with car accidents and cancer as reasons for not being able to meet and when even that's doesn't work - well cut and run "she's dead".

I grew up around some of these insulated religious islanders. If anyone would call someone they have only communicated with on the phone or online - it's these guys - and farkers.


Again the problem with that is that Mani claimed to have met her. What reason would he have to lie about meeting her if he truly believed she was real and was duped?
 
2013-01-17 10:26:41 AM

KingsleyZisou: Also, nobody outside France gives a shiat about cycling.


This is what you really believe.
 
2013-01-17 10:26:51 AM

SlothB77: Lando Lincoln: This is a really slow news day.

the sad part is, actually it isn't.  there is some hostage crisis in algeria.


Sure there is. I bet Te'o made that stuff up to try to deflect attention.
 
2013-01-17 10:27:16 AM
Except Te'o said he met her in person in 2009. So 2011 is not "before Manti."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/print/865564585/Manti-Teo-A-caree r- that-has-come-full-circle.html
 
2013-01-17 10:27:42 AM
As someone who just went on a date with a girl I met online, I'm getting a kick...
 
2013-01-17 10:31:24 AM
I just posted the Deseret News link in the comments on the CBS story and it was moderated and posted--and then deleted. WTF.
 
2013-01-17 10:32:08 AM

Moopy Mac:
You really want to believe.


Saw it happen in real time. More than one occasion. I'm always more likely to give the benefit of the doubt to the dupes, when shiat like this comes down the pike. Unlike others, I never find that shiat funny or say that the dupe deserved it.
 
2013-01-17 10:32:31 AM
I'm not dumb, but I can't understand,
Why she tweets like a woman but talks like a man,
Oh my Lennay. La-La-La-La-Lennay.
 
2013-01-17 10:34:14 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: [25.media.tumblr.com image 455x382]


I laughed way too hard at this.
 
2013-01-17 10:35:15 AM

FraggleStickCar: RAWISRADFORD: I don't think they were "boyfriend and girlfriend" for four years.

So what starts as a setup by a hanger on(er) intensifies in his senior year with a money grab planned after the draft.

Plans to meet - expressions of love.

But as the "missed" dates and meetups pile up - the mark loses interest.

the "prankster" looks to string him along with car accidents and cancer as reasons for not being able to meet and when even that's doesn't work - well cut and run "she's dead".

I grew up around some of these insulated religious islanders. If anyone would call someone they have only communicated with on the phone or online - it's these guys - and farkers.

Again the problem with that is that Mani claimed to have met her. What reason would he have to lie about meeting her if he truly believed she was real and was duped?


Tuiasosopo got an old school acquaintance who barely remembered him to send a picture to a friend in the hospital by telling her he thought she was pretty. Not that big of a step to convince another chick to pretend to be someone else for a meeting in order to lighten up his bro's day, you know?
 
2013-01-17 10:35:30 AM
This is getting SO hilarious.

None of this changes the fact that Notre Dame covered up the story in December, whilst continuing to enjoy the resulting story line and associated jersey sales. Sanctions are a-comin'.
 
2013-01-17 10:37:22 AM
According to Deadspin and ND, Manti and his family reported his victimness to the administration, and they launched a full investigation on Dec 26th.

Then on Jan 3rd Manti talked to a reporter about her and how much he missed her. Why would you do that when you know she's not real? It's because he made her up all along. He's no vicitm, and I can't understand why most of the media reporting on this is missing this obvious detail.
 
2013-01-17 10:37:24 AM

FinFangFark: He's either a conman or just epically stupid.


That's the beauty of this. Te'o is:

1. The dumbest farking person on the planet (sup Notre Dame admission standards)
2. A soulless con man.
3. Covering up the fact he's gay.

I'm going with #3 considering how Samoan culture, Mormonism, the NFL, and the Catholic Church view homosexuality. Plus if that was the case, his boyfriend was a pastor.

/also if it is #3, Te'o has to be farked up in the head
 
2013-01-17 10:39:34 AM
all this discussion of Samoa has reminded me to buy girl scout cookies.
 
2013-01-17 10:40:27 AM

wiwille: According to Deadspin and ND, Manti and his family reported his victimness to the administration, and they launched a full investigation on Dec 26th.

Then on Jan 3rd Manti talked to a reporter about her and how much he missed her. Why would you do that when you know she's not real? It's because he made her up all along. He's no vicitm, and I can't understand why most of the media reporting on this is missing this obvious detail.


Keep in mind that ND has tremendous PR resources and controls the media out of South Bend. So a lot of derp is radiating from the source of all this. And the national media is lazy as sh*t.
 
2013-01-17 10:41:16 AM
I had a stroke trying to read that title.
 
2013-01-17 10:41:27 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: I just can't see how this can come out positive for the guy. Besides, who is in the market for a slightly undersized Samoan linebacker?


www.kayfabenews.com

you rang?
 
2013-01-17 10:41:34 AM

wiwille: According to Deadspin and ND, Manti and his family reported his victimness to the administration, and they launched a full investigation on Dec 26th.

Then on Jan 3rd Manti talked to a reporter about her and how much he missed her. Why would you do that when you know she's not real? It's because he made her up all along. He's no vicitm, and I can't understand why most of the media reporting on this is missing this obvious detail.


Did Manti start the investigation, or did his family? If he still believes, in spite of his family.... Or was he advised to pretend that everything was okay by someone else? December 26 to January 3rd, is that a lot of time for an investigation, or would it still be ongoing by the time of the interview?
 
2013-01-17 10:42:11 AM

wiwille: According to Deadspin and ND, Manti and his family reported his victimness to the administration, and they launched a full investigation on Dec 26th.

Then on Jan 3rd Manti talked to a reporter about her and how much he missed her. Why would you do that when you know she's not real? It's because he made her up all along. He's no vicitm, and I can't understand why most of the media reporting on this is missing this obvious detail.


The Catholic Church has a lot of experience in lying like a whore.
 
2013-01-17 10:42:31 AM
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2013-01-17 10:43:01 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Did Manti start the investigation, or did his family? If he still believes, in spite of his family.... Or was he advised to pretend that everything was okay by someone else? December 26 to January 3rd, is that a lot of time for an investigation, or would it still be ongoing by the time of the interview?


So you think it was reported to ND that she wasn't real on 12/26, but Manti didn't believe that, and in fact he believed she was real so much he was still doing public interviews about her a week later despite knowing this investigation was happening?
 
2013-01-17 10:44:22 AM
 
2013-01-17 10:44:40 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: coolio mack:
And I don't buy into the whole doing it for publicity bit at all. Te'o was the #1 linebacker coming out of college, he'd been a very good NFL player, and he had plenty of NFL buzz last year. Notre Dame going 12-0 would've automatically boosted his profile anyways since he was the best player and leader of the defense.

It's not Manti who's the issue here. Like you pointed out above who the real central figure is... just gotta figure out his angle.
- Troll job? (any number of dudes at who put the lulz before anything else)
- Revenge plot? (Mhissy)
- Just bored and it was interesting to keep it going? (any number of women who use their daughter's high school photos to trawl horny men on adult dating sites)
- Money, gifts, notoriety and feeling loved/important? (the Total Farker who fled to Reddit)

A dude scamming another dude doesn't mean that the second dude is gay. Just means the second dude got duped. It was real to Manti, dammit. And yeah, this started out as Manti being duped and being completely innocent.

I hope he didn't run with it, though.


I don't really want to run to the whole gay angle yet either, but the thing that just doesn't look good for Manti was the ESPN interview when he said he talked to her everyday for four months straight until he falls asleep, only to wake up and find they had an eight hour call and he could hear her breathing on the other end. I mean, I could see the long con troll angle of this if they talked like once a week or something and it wasn't this intimate type relationship Te'o made it out to be in the media. But that's just way too much effort in trolling this guy with no end game (again, no extortion attempt claimed by the AD).

So at the very least for this to make sense as Te'o as the complete victim with no knowledge of this, Tuiasosopo had to hire or bring in a female to play Manti's girlfriend for 30-50 hours a week, he had to manage a cell phone to text other family members of the Te'o family along with Manti, and he had to bring in other people to play the different roles of brother and mother of the girl.

Additionally, Manti had to lie to his family in saying that he met her at a Stanford game and on visits to Hawaii when he alone would be there to greet her (in order to cover up falling for this girl online and seeming more normal?). But that already disputes some of the info that the Notre Dame AD said in his presser yesterday. He said Manti confirmed to him that they had met online sometime back in 2009, but that it was online.

My conspiracy theory take from it - Manti makes up a girlfriend his freshman year in college, gets people off his back (family, teammates, students) for whatever reason. Really easy to say your girlfriend is out of the state. The social media stuff is all for show with help from Tuiasosopo, and there's a third party girl involved to talk to teammates and keep the thing going for Te'o. Rides the whole thing through Notre Dame, pressure rises that the family has to meet her eventually (the family stated Senior Day was the initial plan), he knows he has to kill off the story. Car accident/Leukemia gets baked up. Manti has to play along in the media as the story starts spreading. In return for his help, Tuiasosopo gets support for his fledgling music career, and some cash and connections once Manti gets to the NFL.
 
2013-01-17 10:44:47 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: This is getting SO hilarious.

None of this changes the fact that Notre Dame covered up the story in December, whilst continuing to enjoy the resulting story line and associated jersey sales. Sanctions are a-comin'.


Maybe. Maybe not.

d3fjksicjrdxgn.cloudfront.net

/hot like JoePa's final resting place
 
2013-01-17 10:44:50 AM

wiwille: I can't understand why most of the media reporting on this is missing this obvious detail.


The answer is simple. Notre Dame has told the various outlets, including ESPN, that if they don't go along with their official explanation, they will cut them off from all access to the university and their students and employees. This is why Te'o is giving an interview today only to ESPN, so they can control the message and not open this up to general questioning
 
2013-01-17 10:45:09 AM

ha-ha-guy: FinFangFark: He's either a conman or just epically stupid.

That's the beauty of this. Te'o is:

1. The dumbest farking person on the planet (sup Notre Dame admission standards)
2. A soulless con man.
3. Covering up the fact he's gay.

I'm going with #3 considering how Samoan culture, Mormonism, the NFL, and the Catholic Church view homosexuality. Plus if that was the case, his boyfriend was a pastor.

/also if it is #3, Te'o has to be farked up in the head


Those were my same thoughts when I first heard about it too.

That and the story was probably fed from all the bullshiat human interest stuff they feel the need to now throw at us with all the game breaks. No Todd I really don't give a shiat about what you had for dinner last night or if Joe Paterno is older than scotch tape. Dumb as shiat sideline token female reporters asking a coach "So Coach your team is sucking out there. What do you think you'll do differently in the next half?" "Uh, not suck?" I now know more about a player's wife's cancer or eri son's autism than I know about his sacks for the year. STFU and just show us football please?
 
2013-01-17 10:45:18 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Moopy Mac:
You really want to believe.

Saw it happen in real time. More than one occasion. I'm always more likely to give the benefit of the doubt to the dupes, when shiat like this comes down the pike. Unlike others, I never find that shiat funny or say that the dupe deserved it.


Despite his comments about him meeting this person (along with all of the other evidence), you still want to believe. You have a good heart.
 
2013-01-17 10:45:37 AM
I think that it's very important that we get to the bottom of a random football player's potential love life. Let's continue to make conjecture based on no knowledge whatsoever and interpret it to be what we want to believe.

I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).
 
2013-01-17 10:45:57 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: This is getting SO hilarious.

None of this changes the fact that Notre Dame covered up the story in December, whilst continuing to enjoy the resulting story line and associated jersey sales. Sanctions are a-comin'.


Don't forget the ESPN machine, that was beat to the story by Deadspin, has to get the last say, and state "We had the story 10 days ago, we just didn't report it yet"

Right.  So either ESPN did shoddy news reporting, or they did shoddy news reporting.
 
2013-01-17 10:47:47 AM

Lando Lincoln: This is a really slow news day.


It's winter. Remember Golden Voice Ted Williams? Or the obsession with Betty White? This shiat always happens in the winter. Because people have nothing to do.
 
2013-01-17 10:47:54 AM

KingsleyZisou: ongbok: NaziKamikaze: At least Johnny Manziel won the Heisman. Imagine the voting if this bullshiat wasn't always in the air.

Hell, since it's obvious he was compliant in this, he should be vacated from the list of eligible recipients.

That is one reason why I think this was a marketing scheme setup by either ND, an agent or a booster to raise Teo's Heisman stock. Also if this was just Teo doing this himself without the school's knowledge, I don't think they would be sticking with him through all of this especially with this thing getting sillier and sillier by the minute. ND is part of this hoax and they are trying to keep it from coming out.

I too don't understand ND's motivation to support Teo. If he is a fraud, throw him under the bus and protect the institution. I however don't think the school is "in on it." What would they have to gain from such a scheme? Maybe publicity from the Heisman campaign but that only happened in year 4 of this charade.

I think Teo had convinced the administration that he is a victim. Pathological liars will spin any situation to suit their needs. They are very good at convincing people. Just my theory though.

/this while thing is hilarious
//Catfish and Lance Armstrong are doing backflips with joy today


Or he may have been really scammed by someone. And if he was it probably involved him sending them money. It could have been somebody that befriended him on Facebook or whatever and used his naivety to lead him on and con him into sending them money over the years.Then decided to go for the big score and threatened to expose the whole thing if he didn't pat up. This has been known to happen.
 
2013-01-17 10:47:59 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: coolio mack:
And I don't buy into the whole doing it for publicity bit at all. Te'o was the #1 linebacker coming out of college, he'd been a very good NFL player, and he had plenty of NFL buzz last year. Notre Dame going 12-0 would've automatically boosted his profile anyways since he was the best player and leader of the defense.

It's not Manti who's the issue here. Like you pointed out above who the real central figure is... just gotta figure out his angle.
- Troll job? (any number of dudes at who put the lulz before anything else)
- Revenge plot? (Mhissy)
- Just bored and it was interesting to keep it going? (any number of women who use their daughter's high school photos to trawl horny men on adult dating sites)
- Money, gifts, notoriety and feeling loved/important? (the Total Farker who fled to Reddit)

A dude scamming another dude doesn't mean that the second dude is gay. Just means the second dude got duped. It was real to Manti, dammit. And yeah, this started out as Manti being duped and being completely innocent.

I hope he didn't run with it, though.


The total darker who fled to reddit... What did I miss? Was it GD, by chance?
 
2013-01-17 10:49:42 AM
Whatever the outcome of this story and whatever the reason behind the hoax, can we all finally agree that ESPN is an absolute joke that should never be taken seriously as a legitimate source for sports news ever again?
 
2013-01-17 10:50:02 AM
Isn't it kind of weird that Lennay Kekua is like... kind of close to being an anagram of leukemia? Possibly if it was spelled by a poor speller?

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2013-01-17 10:50:05 AM

Lost Thought 00: wiwille: I can't understand why most of the media reporting on this is missing this obvious detail.

The answer is simple. Notre Dame has told the various outlets, including ESPN, that if they don't go along with their official explanation, they will cut them off from all access to the university and their students and employees. This is why Te'o is giving an interview today only to ESPN, so they can control the message and not open this up to general questioning


urbanflyventures.com
 
2013-01-17 10:50:38 AM

IAmRight: I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).


Have you met people who hate football? All they do is talk about how "homoerotic" the sport is, like its supposed to strike a nerve or something.
 
2013-01-17 10:50:39 AM
Also, if he figured it out at some point, man, that's a pretty embarrassing admission to make. But yeah, always go with the "we broke up" instead of "she's dead."

/it's disturbing that anyone cares enough to actually go digging through to look for this information
 
2013-01-17 10:51:48 AM

wiwille: Lost Thought 00: wiwille: I can't understand why most of the media reporting on this is missing this obvious detail.

The answer is simple. Notre Dame has told the various outlets, including ESPN, that if they don't go along with their official explanation, they will cut them off from all access to the university and their students and employees. This is why Te'o is giving an interview today only to ESPN, so they can control the message and not open this up to general questioning

[urbanflyventures.com image 400x300]


well that was close
 
2013-01-17 10:51:54 AM
Mahu
 
2013-01-17 10:52:44 AM

sigdiamond2000: Whatever the outcome of this story and whatever the reason behind the hoax, can we all finally agree that ESPN is an absolute joke that should never be taken seriously as a legitimate source for sports news ever again?


This is not a repeat from last year, or the year before that, or....

They are "entertainment" and not news. They often get the breaking news and make it a narrative.
 
2013-01-17 10:53:49 AM
I want it to be known that I farked Lennay Kekua before and after she became famous.
 
2013-01-17 10:55:51 AM

IAmRight: Also, if he figured it out at some point, man, that's a pretty embarrassing admission to make. But yeah, always go with the "we broke up" instead of "she's dead."

/it's disturbing that anyone cares enough to actually go digging through to look for this information


Good to hear your take. Here in SEC territory we get all the real, live girls we want. We just lie about the steroids.

Dude was covering for gay and it got out of hand. Lesson for the kids, If you are gay, just be gay. You don't need to cover.
 
2013-01-17 10:56:45 AM
What's really blowing my mind is TFA says Kekua's mom was controlling the Kekua Twitter account. Regardless of Te'o's involvement or non-involvement, this has all the makings of a bad made-for-TV movie where a mom and her beautiful daughter are in on a ruse together.
 
2013-01-17 10:57:22 AM

DamnYankees: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Did Manti start the investigation, or did his family? If he still believes, in spite of his family.... Or was he advised to pretend that everything was okay by someone else? December 26 to January 3rd, is that a lot of time for an investigation, or would it still be ongoing by the time of the interview?

So you think it was reported to ND that she wasn't real on 12/26, but Manti didn't believe that, and in fact he believed she was real so much he was still doing public interviews about her a week later despite knowing this investigation was happening?



Exactly, why not just say nothing about her and talk about the upcoming game. He blew any credibility out of the water by claiming they had met. No way he wasn't in on this.
 
2013-01-17 10:57:53 AM
Manti is gay. The girlfriend was invented so he and his boyfriend could be cute in public on Twitter without actually being public. The death was their breakup. ESPN saw a game coming up in California where his girlfriend would attend and they wanted to put her on TV for Musburger to make creepy comments. Fearing the truth would come out, she had to die.
 
2013-01-17 10:59:19 AM
Mecca lecca hi, mecca hiney ho

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-17 11:01:43 AM

IAmRight: I think that it's very important that we get to the bottom of a random football player's potential love life. Let's continue to make conjecture based on no knowledge whatsoever and interpret it to be what we want to believe.

I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).


It's almost like this story is confined to the sports tab, and the player in question used is love life as a sob story to up his votes for the most famous college football award. The reason I believe he is in the closet, along with that the facts support it, is that the alternative is he lied about the entire relationship with the purpose of getting those Heisman votes, which is just terribly scummy. Plus, they've claimed in the past that Teo met his GF, so its hardly conjecture to say there is some BS here.


wiwille: Lost Thought 00: wiwille: I can't understand why most of the media reporting on this is missing this obvious detail.

The answer is simple. Notre Dame has told the various outlets, including ESPN, that if they don't go along with their official explanation, they will cut them off from all access to the university and their students and employees. This is why Te'o is giving an interview today only to ESPN, so they can control the message and not open this up to general questioning

[urbanflyventures.com image 400x300]


You really think its coincidence that the AD's interview was with CSN, aka NBC, who has a hell of alot of money to lose if the ND football program blows up

/good job by the reporters to not ask softball questions but still
 
2013-01-17 11:04:10 AM
soonerpsycho.com
 
2013-01-17 11:04:11 AM

IAmRight: I think that it's very important that we get to the bottom of a random football player's potential love life. Let's continue to make conjecture based on no knowledge whatsoever and interpret it to be what we want to believe.

I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).


The deadspin article has a lot more than conjecture. However, him possibly being gay is, and irrelevant.
 
2013-01-17 11:05:19 AM

IAmRight: I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).


In this case, we want to believe that because its the most charitable reading of events.
 
2013-01-17 11:05:42 AM

Wellon Dowd: Mecca lecca hi, mecca hiney ho


I love you
 
2013-01-17 11:05:43 AM

Cybernetic: Yeah, but she's from Canada twitter. You wouldn't know her.

 
2013-01-17 11:06:40 AM

Moopy Mac: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Moopy Mac:
You really want to believe.

Saw it happen in real time. More than one occasion. I'm always more likely to give the benefit of the doubt to the dupes, when shiat like this comes down the pike. Unlike others, I never find that shiat funny or say that the dupe deserved it.

Despite his comments about him meeting this person (along with all of the other evidence), you still want to believe.


Folks on this thread acting like it's outside the realm of possibility, have lived in the nice parts of the internet. Must be nice. Like I said, I usually give the benefit of the doubt to the duped.

If he was that invested in what turned out to be a male acquaintance fking with him, then his saying that he missed the phone calls isn't a lie. What he is implying about those phone calls is a lie, but his saying that he missed the phone calls is not.

While the investigation was ongoing, was he given ANY guidance about how to deal with the public, and how to answer questions? If he wasn't the one who started the investigation, then his heart is going to rebel against any 'proof' unless its showstopping. If he was the one who asked for the investigation, not his family, then something else was happening. It's the difference between a woman being forced by her family to disavow her fiance, and a woman walking in on her fiance screwing her best friend.

The Tuiasosopo angle is the key. I likecoolio mack's conspiracy theory. But (because I remember the stories of the ladies who are duped by other women in real life and in bed who pretend to be men) I also say it's possible for Manti to be completely innocent this whole time, and not knowing how to deal with a quickly falling apart world.

I haven't heard Tuiasosopo's voice. Is it kinda high for a guy?
 
2013-01-17 11:08:32 AM

DamnYankees: IAmRight: I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).

In this case, we want to believe that because its the most charitable reading of events.


Good point. But like others have said, wouldn't just finding a "fake" girlfriend on campus be a lot easier?
 
2013-01-17 11:09:41 AM

Bartleby the Scrivener: It's unfortunate that we cannot ask Seau about the relationships between Polamua, Te'o, Mauai and Kekua, so we may have to ask Manu Tuiasosopo or Tui Alailefaleula.


that may be the best sentence I have ever read.
 
2013-01-17 11:11:08 AM

Solid State Vittles: I want it to be known that I farked Lennay Kekua before and after she became famous died.


FTFY
 
2013-01-17 11:12:42 AM
Of teh million things Ive heard about this since last night all I can say this is some weird shiat. And when/if the truth comes out it wont be as weird as the story around it.
 
2013-01-17 11:13:07 AM
I have a theory now. Tuisasopo (sic, fark that spelling shiat) and Teo had some girl meet Mauia so it would look plausible that Teo had a girlfriend. its an elaborate con to protect Teo from coming out as gay.
 
2013-01-17 11:13:18 AM

CADMonkey79: DamnYankees: IAmRight: I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).

In this case, we want to believe that because its the most charitable reading of events.

Good point. But like others have said, wouldn't just finding a "fake" girlfriend on campus be a lot easier?


Then she has to be at every home game and put on TV for Musburger comments.
 
2013-01-17 11:14:25 AM
The guy has never had a cup of coffee, or a Coca Cola. Think about that.

He's a Hawaiian Mormon, to the extent his parents let him have a girlfriend, they were thrilled it was a computer girlfriend.

I Vote "Completely Duped" due to vigorously controlling family and religious community.
 
2013-01-17 11:15:02 AM

coolio mack: he said he talked to her everyday for four months straight until he falls asleep, only to wake up and find they had an eight hour call and he could hear her breathing on the other end.


There's something about this detail that bothers me. My phone lines automatically disconnect after four hours, whether landline, VoIP or cellular. I assume this is because the system wants to free up the circuit, and there is a timeout built in. (I work from home mostly, and occasionally I am on conference calls that literally go all day.)

Is that just me, or does somebody else out have a phone line that will stay connected all night with nothing happening?
 
2013-01-17 11:15:24 AM

CADMonkey79: DamnYankees: IAmRight: I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).

In this case, we want to believe that because its the most charitable reading of events.

Good point. But like others have said, wouldn't just finding a "fake" girlfriend on campus be a lot easier?


If the Ronnie guy was his BF though, this lets them flirt on Twitter and all that crap since Ronne controlled the Lennie account.
 
2013-01-17 11:15:48 AM

IAmRight: Also, if he figured it out at some point, man, that's a pretty embarrassing admission to make. But yeah, always go with the "we broke up" instead of "she's dead."

/it's disturbing that anyone cares enough to actually go digging through to look for this information


If that was the entire story, you'd be right. This is either about a guy either systematically lying to every news outlet that he could find for years (and being happy to ride the wave of sympathy that came with it), a naive top-10 NFL pick being duped by a third party for four years, or (without rehashing what I've said above) the pressures of presenting yourself as one way when you're something different. Who knew? Who went along with what? Who lied about what to protect who?

Also, as a guy with a journalism degree that's seen newspapers die a slow, painful death and stories get compromised because of the interest of a parent company (ESPN supposedly sitting on the story until Deadspin forced their hand, CNET removing a product from its Best of CES awards because CBS told them to, etc.), it's interesting that this is where the "real journalism" is coming from.
 
2013-01-17 11:17:54 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Moopy Mac: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Moopy Mac:
You really want to believe.

Saw it happen in real time. More than one occasion. I'm always more likely to give the benefit of the doubt to the dupes, when shiat like this comes down the pike. Unlike others, I never find that shiat funny or say that the dupe deserved it.

Despite his comments about him meeting this person (along with all of the other evidence), you still want to believe.

Folks on this thread acting like it's outside the realm of possibility, have lived in the nice parts of the internet. Must be nice. Like I said, I usually give the benefit of the doubt to the duped.

If he was that invested in what turned out to be a male acquaintance fking with him, then his saying that he missed the phone calls isn't a lie. What he is implying about those phone calls is a lie, but his saying that he missed the phone calls is not.

While the investigation was ongoing, was he given ANY guidance about how to deal with the public, and how to answer questions? If he wasn't the one who started the investigation, then his heart is going to rebel against any 'proof' unless its showstopping. If he was the one who asked for the investigation, not his family, then something else was happening. It's the difference between a woman being forced by her family to disavow her fiance, and a woman walking in on her fiance screwing her best friend.

The Tuiasosopo angle is the key. I likecoolio mack's conspiracy theory. But (because I remember the stories of the ladies who are duped by other women in real life and in bed who pretend to be men) I also say it's possible for Manti to be completely innocent this whole time, and not knowing how to deal with a quickly falling apart world.

I haven't heard Tuiasosopo's voice. Is it kinda high for a guy?


No, the lie was that he made up an entire backstory about how they met and then about the multiple times they met in person during their relationship. These stories were presented well before any investigation began (and actually assisted in proving that that whole thing was a sham to start with).

I have no idea what your comment has to do with that part of the picture. There was no implication. There were statements of fact that were fabricated.
 
2013-01-17 11:18:25 AM
He's either gay and this was how he was constructing a beard so he didn't have to live up to the expectation of being a football stud that bangs a dozen co-eds a week, or the (dumb footbal player) + (naive, believe-anything mormon) combination just created the ultimate sucker.
 
2013-01-17 11:19:34 AM

ha-ha-guy: CADMonkey79: DamnYankees: IAmRight: I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).

In this case, we want to believe that because its the most charitable reading of events.

Good point. But like others have said, wouldn't just finding a "fake" girlfriend on campus be a lot easier?

If the Ronnie guy was his BF though, this lets them flirt on Twitter and all that crap since Ronne controlled the Lennie account.


True, but that is a lot of risk to take just to flirt in public.
 
2013-01-17 11:21:46 AM

halfof33: The guy has never had a cup of coffee, or a Coca Cola. Think about that.

He's a Hawaiian Mormon, to the extent his parents let him have a girlfriend, they were thrilled it was a computer girlfriend.

I Vote "Completely Duped" due to vigorously controlling family and religious community.


If he is so naive and innocent then why lie about meeting her in person?
 
2013-01-17 11:22:11 AM

CADMonkey79: ha-ha-guy: CADMonkey79: DamnYankees: IAmRight: I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).

In this case, we want to believe that because its the most charitable reading of events.

Good point. But like others have said, wouldn't just finding a "fake" girlfriend on campus be a lot easier?

If the Ronnie guy was his BF though, this lets them flirt on Twitter and all that crap since Ronne controlled the Lennie account.

True, but that is a lot of risk to take just to flirt in public.


It also gives him a cover story for stopping off in Cali on his way to and from Hawaii (or even just over break). I agree it isn't the most foolproof way to do this, but isn't way out of left field given some of the benefits you get from it. This might have been the best a pair of semi intelligent Mormons could come up with or they had enough hubris to think they could make it work, without thinking of long term issues like when ESPN wants to do a puff piece on his GF.
 
2013-01-17 11:23:38 AM

ha-ha-guy: CADMonkey79: ha-ha-guy: CADMonkey79: DamnYankees: IAmRight: I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).

In this case, we want to believe that because its the most charitable reading of events.

Good point. But like others have said, wouldn't just finding a "fake" girlfriend on campus be a lot easier?

If the Ronnie guy was his BF though, this lets them flirt on Twitter and all that crap since Ronne controlled the Lennie account.

True, but that is a lot of risk to take just to flirt in public.

It also gives him a cover story for stopping off in Cali on his way to and from Hawaii (or even just over break). I agree it isn't the most foolproof way to do this, but isn't way out of left field given some of the benefits you get from it. This might have been the best a pair of semi intelligent Mormons could come up with or they had enough hubris to think they could make it work, without thinking of long term issues like when ESPN wants to do a puff piece on his GF.


The other thing is lets him use some of the details from his gay relationship. Like he can say he went to some beach in Cali or whatever, he just has to remember to say he took Lenny not Ronnie. Or the whole thing started as a knee jerk because some girl hit on Te'o, the first thing that came to mind was "I have a SO in California" and then he was stuck with the lie, etc.
 
2013-01-17 11:24:10 AM
The call is coming from inside the house!
 
2013-01-17 11:24:38 AM
ND canceled the interview with Te'o for today. I guess they still need more time to flesh out their cover story
 
2013-01-17 11:24:45 AM

CADMonkey79: halfof33: The guy has never had a cup of coffee, or a Coca Cola. Think about that.

He's a Hawaiian Mormon, to the extent his parents let him have a girlfriend, they were thrilled it was a computer girlfriend.

I Vote "Completely Duped" due to vigorously controlling family and religious community.

If he is so naive and innocent then why lie about meeting her in person?


Would you admit to being involved with someone you've never met?
 
2013-01-17 11:25:06 AM
i406.photobucket.com

She is both real and really fake, Papa Moai has spoken from every where at every time.
 
2013-01-17 11:25:12 AM

halfof33: The guy has never had a cup of coffee, or a Coca Cola. Think about that.

He's a Hawaiian Mormon, to the extent his parents let him have a girlfriend, they were thrilled it was a computer girlfriend.

I Vote "Completely Duped" due to vigorously controlling family and religious community.


So why did he continue to lie about it after he and his family allegedly told ND that it was a hoax?
 
2013-01-17 11:26:56 AM

Gwendolyn: CADMonkey79: halfof33: The guy has never had a cup of coffee, or a Coca Cola. Think about that.

He's a Hawaiian Mormon, to the extent his parents let him have a girlfriend, they were thrilled it was a computer girlfriend.

I Vote "Completely Duped" due to vigorously controlling family and religious community.

If he is so naive and innocent then why lie about meeting her in person?

Would you admit to being involved with someone you've never met?


I guess I would admit we never actually met.
 
2013-01-17 11:27:25 AM
This all must be a coverup for his involvement in smuggling drugs from Hawaii. Thai Stick...yeah, that's it.
 
2013-01-17 11:28:05 AM

sigdiamond2000: halfof33: The guy has never had a cup of coffee, or a Coca Cola. Think about that.

He's a Hawaiian Mormon, to the extent his parents let him have a girlfriend, they were thrilled it was a computer girlfriend.

I Vote "Completely Duped" due to vigorously controlling family and religious community.

So why did he continue to lie about it after he and his family allegedly told ND that it was a hoax?


Not to mention all of the stories before they knew it was a hoax.
 
2013-01-17 11:28:51 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: it's interesting that this is where the "real journalism" is coming from.


And as a PR person I find it funny that BOTH of the top Heisman finalists were helped dramatically by complete bullsh*t stories that had nothing to do with their production on the field.

I'm not saying that neither deserved to be there, I'd just remind people that Manziel wasn't allowed to talk to the press while A&M created a whole image for him that also seems to be BS. Te'o was allowed to talk to the press apparently with a made-up story.

/also, never even heard of Te'o's story before this either
//it's amazing how much bullsh*t you escape when you don't watch ESPN or other crap sports programming that gives you zero information about sports and 100% fabricated crap to "humanize" the athletes
 
2013-01-17 11:29:19 AM

Gwendolyn: CADMonkey79: halfof33: The guy has never had a cup of coffee, or a Coca Cola. Think about that.

He's a Hawaiian Mormon, to the extent his parents let him have a girlfriend, they were thrilled it was a computer girlfriend.

I Vote "Completely Duped" due to vigorously controlling family and religious community.

If he is so naive and innocent then why lie about meeting her in person?

Would you admit to being involved with someone you've never met?


Not just being involved with, but being "the love of my life".
 
2013-01-17 11:29:26 AM

ha-ha-guy: ha-ha-guy: CADMonkey79: ha-ha-guy: CADMonkey79: DamnYankees: IAmRight: I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).

In this case, we want to believe that because its the most charitable reading of events.

Good point. But like others have said, wouldn't just finding a "fake" girlfriend on campus be a lot easier?

If the Ronnie guy was his BF though, this lets them flirt on Twitter and all that crap since Ronne controlled the Lennie account.

True, but that is a lot of risk to take just to flirt in public.

It also gives him a cover story for stopping off in Cali on his way to and from Hawaii (or even just over break). I agree it isn't the most foolproof way to do this, but isn't way out of left field given some of the benefits you get from it. This might have been the best a pair of semi intelligent Mormons could come up with or they had enough hubris to think they could make it work, without thinking of long term issues like when ESPN wants to do a puff piece on his GF.

The other thing is lets him use some of the details from his gay relationship. Like he can say he went to some beach in Cali or whatever, he just has to remember to say he took Lenny not Ronnie. Or the whole thing started as a knee jerk because some girl hit on Te'o, the first thing that came to mind was "I have a SO in California" and then he was stuck with the lie, etc.


Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?
 
2013-01-17 11:30:01 AM
It's also funny if he is gay, because coming out would've gotten him a hell of a lot more Heisman votes and popularity than the dead girlfriend story.
 
2013-01-17 11:30:13 AM
One scenario that seems possible is a combination of his being duped by a fake girlfriend online (for whatever reason), together with fictional elaborations made up by himself about real meetings and phone calls.

The latter might be to curtail increasing questions about why nobody else ever saw or heard from her; or might be pure fantasizing on his part -- fabulation, as it's sometimes called. I've known people who have fabulated elaborate stories that they stubbornly cling to even in the face of self-contradictory claims. And like Te'o, their stories often have a romantic, Hollywood air to them, not the messiness of real life (on one occasion I pointed out to somebody that she wasn't recounting her courtship, she was recycling the plot of West Side Story). All of the details that Te'o has shared -- eyes meeting across a crowded room, long late night calls, a tragic ending right out of Love Story -- are pure Hollywood. And if he is fabulating, it's not merely Making Stuff Up on the level of a Canadian girlfriend; he sincerely believes his own fiction.
 
2013-01-17 11:31:07 AM
Subby's just making up names.
 
2013-01-17 11:31:31 AM

CADMonkey79: Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?


Obvious, he's gay with this college kid.
 
2013-01-17 11:31:57 AM

IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: it's interesting that this is where the "real journalism" is coming from.

And as a PR person I find it funny that BOTH of the top Heisman finalists were helped dramatically by complete bullsh*t stories that had nothing to do with their production on the field.

I'm not saying that neither deserved to be there, I'd just remind people that Manziel wasn't allowed to talk to the press while A&M created a whole image for him that also seems to be BS. Te'o was allowed to talk to the press apparently with a made-up story.

/also, never even heard of Te'o's story before this either
//it's amazing how much bullsh*t you escape when you don't watch ESPN or other crap sports programming that gives you zero information about sports and 100% fabricated crap to "humanize" the athletes


The only time I heard the story about the dead girlfriend was during the national title game.
 
2013-01-17 11:32:33 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: - Money, gifts, notoriety and feeling loved/important? (the Total Farker who fled to Reddit)


You keep bringing this up. Who the hell are you referencing?
 
2013-01-17 11:32:34 AM

IAmRight: It's also funny if he is gay, because coming out would've gotten him a hell of a lot more Heisman votes and popularity than the dead girlfriend story.


That's the only thing that could repair his image....if he comes out and say he's gay, and this was all drummed up to hide it for fear while playing a sport that's unaccepting of it, and also because of his religion, and where he played college football.   But the cover up took a life of its own, and got out of hand...and he's sorry.

People will sympathize, and will forgive.

But if he comes out at sticks with being a victim of a 4 year fraud...his image will always suffer from that.
 
2013-01-17 11:32:44 AM
Clint Eastwood met her too!
www.poynter.org
 
2013-01-17 11:34:37 AM

CADMonkey79: The only time I heard the story about the dead girlfriend was during the national title game.


Ah. I peeped a few minutes of it, saw Alabama was ahead by a ton, and found better things to do. Plus I had the volume down anyway because I know I would've murdered people if I had to hear the riptide of fellatic currents coming from the desperate need to praise Notre Dame and the desperate need to promote anything and everything SEC.
 
2013-01-17 11:36:07 AM

czetie: One scenario that seems possible is a combination of his being duped by a fake girlfriend online (for whatever reason), together with fictional elaborations made up by himself about real meetings and phone calls.


I'm leaning in this direction. My first impression was that Te'o was totally full of crap and had to be in on it. But, I can't help but notice that ND appears 100% convinced that he was duped. There was absolutely no reason for ND to unequivocally support Te'o. It would have been very easy to say that their "preliminary investigation suggests that Te'o may have been a victim of an elaborate hoax" or something along those lines. Maintain deniability. But ND's very clear statement really makes me think that they are convinced that Te'o was duped. Particularly because it's not going to be terribly difficult to prove if Te'o was involved. I also note that during the press conference, ND's AD deferred questions about the inconsistencies to Te'o -- he knows Te'o lied, and he's going to let Te'o address those questions.
 
2013-01-17 11:36:15 AM

IAmRight: It's also funny if he is gay, because coming out would've gotten him a hell of a lot more Heisman votes and popularity than the dead girlfriend story.


That might be the case, but would you want to live with that in the hyper-masculine culture of an NFL locker room, let alone being the first in history to do so? Hell, Esera Tuaolo took girls home from bars to protect his secret.
 
2013-01-17 11:36:33 AM

WhiskeySticks: CADMonkey79: Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?

Obvious, he's gay with this college kid.


Gay Samoan football club?
 
2013-01-17 11:36:34 AM

thecpt: IAmRight: I just find it really odd that everyone always wants to believe the star football player is gay (prior to this, it was Tebow).

Have you met people who hate football? All they do is talk about how "homoerotic" the sport is, like its supposed to strike a nerve or something.


I always giggle, twirl my hair, look dreamy, and sigh "I know" when they pull that shiat, shuts 'em up every time.
 
2013-01-17 11:37:10 AM

IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: it's interesting that this is where the "real journalism" is coming from.

And as a PR person I find it funny that BOTH of the top Heisman finalists were helped dramatically by complete bullsh*t stories that had nothing to do with their production on the field.

I'm not saying that neither deserved to be there, I'd just remind people that Manziel wasn't allowed to talk to the press while A&M created a whole image for him that also seems to be BS. Te'o was allowed to talk to the press apparently with a made-up story.

/also, never even heard of Te'o's story before this either
//it's amazing how much bullsh*t you escape when you don't watch ESPN or other crap sports programming that gives you zero information about sports and 100% fabricated crap to "humanize" the athletes


The only really misleading thing about Manziel was that announcers kept calling him a redshirt freshman, while hours-wise he is actually a junior

/hell the family had to take control of the "story" so that there wouldn't be NCAA violations because somebody sold Johnny Football Tshirts or something like that
 
2013-01-17 11:38:09 AM

IAmRight: It's also funny if he is gay, because coming out would've gotten him a hell of a lot more Heisman votes and popularity than the dead girlfriend story.


From most non-believers, but if he's as Mormon as he's marketed to be, that might get him a shunnin'.

Not that I have much emotional investment in this outside of the initial "huh?" and instant intrigue factor, but if he is gay and this story was meant to be his cover...gracious, this is a lot of effort and attention drummed over a f*cking beard.
 
2013-01-17 11:39:32 AM
A lot of you are missing the point here. Whether he "was duped" or not isn't the question.

The question is why he continued to act like the relationship was real even after he and his family allegedly told ND it was a hoax.

My guess is it's because he didn't tell ND it was a hoax, and there was no investigation. But now they can tell people that he was instructed to play along as if the hoax was still happening on the advice of these fictional "investigators." And the NCAA and the police were never told, so I believe ND believes they've closed the loop. That's why they're going all in with Te'o.
 
2013-01-17 11:39:35 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: That might be the case, but would you want to live with that in the hyper-masculine culture of an NFL locker room


I think NFL players care about it a lot less than people think they do. Most already are aware that they probably have gay teammates.
 
2013-01-17 11:39:37 AM

CADMonkey79: WhiskeySticks: CADMonkey79: Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?

Obvious, he's gay with this college kid.

Gay Samoan football club?


Sounds like an excellent fark handle...or a band name.
 
2013-01-17 11:41:36 AM

IAmRight: I think NFL players care about it a lot less than people think they do. Most already are aware that they probably have gay teammates.


Like Randall Gay?
 
2013-01-17 11:42:20 AM

sigdiamond2000: So why did he continue to lie about it after he and his family allegedly told ND that it was a hoax?


I have NOT seen this. I saw one question about it after December 26, and I believe that he gave a complete non-answer and talked about his team. I would be happy to look at something more concrete and review my position.

As far as the questions about meeting her in public, it appears that there is a woman who has publicly identified herself as the girl, as noted in the linked article. I assume that he met her.
 
2013-01-17 11:44:12 AM

sigdiamond2000: The question is why he continued to act like the relationship was real even after he and his family allegedly told ND it was a hoax.


if he was in on it, also having her die on the same day as his grandmother is pretty despicable.
 
2013-01-17 11:44:59 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-17 11:45:39 AM

CADMonkey79: WhiskeySticks: CADMonkey79: Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?

Obvious, he's gay with this college kid.

Gay Samoan football club?


Great name for a band.
 
2013-01-17 11:46:21 AM

CADMonkey79: Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?


That's definitely one issue. I heard one theory about the Ronnie boy being a jock sniffer and he might have used a faux girl on the NFL guy or something (maybe he actually was able to get a girl to act for him there). That said, personally I lean in the direction of gay coverup, but I see why others could lean in other ways. I assume sooner or later Deadspin or someone will dig up enough details to connect all the dots and explain the question marks like that NFL guy and we'll know the whole truth.
 
2013-01-17 11:47:45 AM
Personally I could give to shiats and a fark abut this kid's personal life, but this story is bizarro so I have to follow it. I'm dead certain that the poor kid is gay, and that the entire family has been trying to cover it up. I just kind of feel bad for him, really.
 
2013-01-17 11:48:57 AM
Holy Christ. Has anyone read this Pat Forde article on this yet?

Laughter LOL out loud.
 
2013-01-17 11:49:24 AM

IAmRight: It's also funny if he is gay, because coming out would've gotten him a hell of a lot more Heisman votes and popularity than the dead girlfriend story.


Maybe in the general press, but among the Heisman voters?
 
2013-01-17 11:50:04 AM

CADMonkey79: Gay Samoan football club


And now I have my 2013 fantasy football team name
 
2013-01-17 11:51:12 AM
To be fair: if it turns out the fake girlfriend was either of these two

www.buddytv.com


blogs.sundaymercury.net


then I'd believe him
 
2013-01-17 11:51:16 AM

sigdiamond2000: Holy Christ. Has anyone read this Pat Forde article on this yet?

Laughter LOL out loud.


He's trying to blame Deadspin for part of this?

Holy crap!
 
2013-01-17 11:51:19 AM

Soonerpsycho: [soonerpsycho.com image 474x350]


You win one internet
 
2013-01-17 11:51:35 AM

IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: That might be the case, but would you want to live with that in the hyper-masculine culture of an NFL locker room

I think NFL players care about it a lot less than people think they do. Most already are aware that they probably have gay teammates.


Than why hasn't it happened yet?

I don't mean to be the white knight brigade of that movement on Fark- I'm just putting pieces together between a lot of contradictory statements, and this makes too much sense for it not to be brought up as a talking point. I hope that it comes down to "he was naive," but there are far more things contradicting that. Maybe he had a girlfriend that somebody didn't approve of, then broke up with her, and his friends are covering for him. To tie this back to the sports world, how will this affect the guy's draft status?

/...and with that, it's (thankfully) time for me to get to work.
 
2013-01-17 11:52:57 AM

ATRDCI: IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: it's interesting that this is where the "real journalism" is coming from.

And as a PR person I find it funny that BOTH of the top Heisman finalists were helped dramatically by complete bullsh*t stories that had nothing to do with their production on the field.

I'm not saying that neither deserved to be there, I'd just remind people that Manziel wasn't allowed to talk to the press while A&M created a whole image for him that also seems to be BS. Te'o was allowed to talk to the press apparently with a made-up story.

/also, never even heard of Te'o's story before this either
//it's amazing how much bullsh*t you escape when you don't watch ESPN or other crap sports programming that gives you zero information about sports and 100% fabricated crap to "humanize" the athletes

The only really misleading thing about Manziel was that announcers kept calling him a redshirt freshman, while hours-wise he is actually a junior

/hell the family had to take control of the "story" so that there wouldn't be NCAA violations because somebody sold Johnny Football Tshirts or something like that


Redshirt freshman refers to the fact that he redshirted during his first year of college. Manziel this year played during his first year of eligibility (his second year in college). Next year he'll be a redshirt sophomore, which means he's been with the program for three years but will be playing in just his sophomore year of eligibility. Two years from now, assuming he doesn't go to the NFL, he'll be a fifth-year senior and will exhaust his eligibility.
 
2013-01-17 11:53:20 AM

sigdiamond2000: Holy Christ. Has anyone read this Pat Forde article on this yet?

Laughter LOL out loud.


The traditional media has to astro turf this. They got suckered into this when all bought the dead gf story hook, line, and sinker. They also want to stay in ND's good graces for future program access, which means downplaying this and making everyone look like a victim of some nebulous entity not connected with ND.
 
2013-01-17 11:53:25 AM

IAmRight: /seriously, wtf is "Catfish" and why the hell have so many people heard of it?
//I mean, I looked it up...I just want to know why anyone who knows anything about football would also have a connection with that


Lol?

STOP LIKKNOWING THINGS I DON'T LIKEKNOW
 
2013-01-17 11:53:58 AM

ha-ha-guy: CADMonkey79: Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?

That's definitely one issue. I heard one theory about the Ronnie boy being a jock sniffer and he might have used a faux girl on the NFL guy or something (maybe he actually was able to get a girl to act for him there). That said, personally I lean in the direction of gay coverup, but I see why others could lean in other ways. I assume sooner or later Deadspin or someone will dig up enough details to connect all the dots and explain the question marks like that NFL guy and we'll know the whole truth.


I guess that lends a little credibility to him just being duped if there are other victims from the same fake girl.
 
2013-01-17 11:54:31 AM

czetie: And if he is fabulating, it's not merely Making Stuff Up on the level of a Canadian girlfriend; he sincerely believes his own fiction.


Baron von Mantihausen?

muwaryer: There was absolutely no reason for ND to unequivocally support Te'o.


The Catholic school that earned its following flaunting the legends of 'winning one for the Gipper' and 'Rudy' certainly wouldn't double down on claiming the new legend of their star linebacker's dead girlfriend was just a cruel internet hoax and not anything that could be further damaging to the university football program. Nope, they're completely trustworthy here, cross their hearts and swear on Touchdown Jesus(tm).
 
2013-01-17 11:54:33 AM
I was just talking to my girlfriend about this!!!
images.hollywoodpix.net
 
2013-01-17 11:54:54 AM
One more-

Peter King @SI_PeterKing
RT @slacker_mike: Why did major outlets like SI, ESPN not identify this with fact checking? ... Some clarifying facts will be out soon.
 
2013-01-17 11:56:08 AM

ha-ha-guy: sigdiamond2000: Holy Christ. Has anyone read this Pat Forde article on this yet?

Laughter LOL out loud.

The traditional media has to astro turf this. They got suckered into this when all bought the dead gf story hook, line, and sinker. They also want to stay in ND's good graces for future program access, which means downplaying this and making everyone look like a victim of some nebulous entity not connected with ND.


Yep, you nailed it.

But, my God, the sheer shamelessness it takes to write an article like that. Wow.
 
2013-01-17 11:57:04 AM

PowerSlacker: CADMonkey79: Gay Samoan football club

And now I have my 2013 fantasy football team name


If you play for real money I get half.
 
2013-01-17 11:57:30 AM

El Uno Magnifico: ATRDCI: IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: it's interesting that this is where the "real journalism" is coming from.

And as a PR person I find it funny that BOTH of the top Heisman finalists were helped dramatically by complete bullsh*t stories that had nothing to do with their production on the field.

I'm not saying that neither deserved to be there, I'd just remind people that Manziel wasn't allowed to talk to the press while A&M created a whole image for him that also seems to be BS. Te'o was allowed to talk to the press apparently with a made-up story.

/also, never even heard of Te'o's story before this either
//it's amazing how much bullsh*t you escape when you don't watch ESPN or other crap sports programming that gives you zero information about sports and 100% fabricated crap to "humanize" the athletes

The only really misleading thing about Manziel was that announcers kept calling him a redshirt freshman, while hours-wise he is actually a junior

/hell the family had to take control of the "story" so that there wouldn't be NCAA violations because somebody sold Johnny Football Tshirts or something like that

Redshirt freshman refers to the fact that he redshirted during his first year of college. Manziel this year played during his first year of eligibility (his second year in college). Next year he'll be a redshirt sophomore, which means he's been with the program for three years but will be playing in just his sophomore year of eligibility. Two years from now, assuming he doesn't go to the NFL, he'll be a fifth-year senior and will exhaust his eligibility.


Yes, I am aware. My point was that the only "built story" around Manziel, other than the nickname, was slightly misleading terminology when regarding him as a freshman
 
2013-01-17 11:57:35 AM
Most importantly, why hasn't Fark or Reddit or Chan or any of the other internet geek machines found those internet fingerprints that the ND Admin was talking about last night?

That will be the real scoop.

If some fancy corporate firm can find them, more than 9000 internet geeks can find them in a 1/10 of the time.
 
2013-01-17 11:58:58 AM

Incorrigible Astronaut: One more-

Peter King @SI_PeterKing
RT @slacker_mike: Why did major outlets like SI, ESPN not identify this with fact checking?


In fairness, I can probably understand taking people at their word for it if there's a whole family talking about how they knew this person. Most of the time you're not going to assume they're lying and go check for a death certificate. If it were for a book, sure. For a random article or a brief mention on TV? Let's not assume reporters have all f*cking day to work on just one story.
 
2013-01-17 11:59:01 AM

sigdiamond2000: Holy Christ. Has anyone read this Pat Forde article on this yet?

Laughter LOL out loud.


I am shocked that Pat Forde, proud owner of a set of kneepads for every traditional CFB powerhouse, would publicly and vociferously defend Notre Dame.

Its even more hilarious when you read his stuff alongside Dan Wetzel's. Its like having Clarence Darrow and William Jennings Bryan writing your college football stories.
 
2013-01-17 11:59:20 AM

ATRDCI: El Uno Magnifico: ATRDCI: IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: it's interesting that this is where the "real journalism" is coming from.

And as a PR person I find it funny that BOTH of the top Heisman finalists were helped dramatically by complete bullsh*t stories that had nothing to do with their production on the field.

I'm not saying that neither deserved to be there, I'd just remind people that Manziel wasn't allowed to talk to the press while A&M created a whole image for him that also seems to be BS. Te'o was allowed to talk to the press apparently with a made-up story.

/also, never even heard of Te'o's story before this either
//it's amazing how much bullsh*t you escape when you don't watch ESPN or other crap sports programming that gives you zero information about sports and 100% fabricated crap to "humanize" the athletes

The only really misleading thing about Manziel was that announcers kept calling him a redshirt freshman, while hours-wise he is actually a junior

/hell the family had to take control of the "story" so that there wouldn't be NCAA violations because somebody sold Johnny Football Tshirts or something like that

Redshirt freshman refers to the fact that he redshirted during his first year of college. Manziel this year played during his first year of eligibility (his second year in college). Next year he'll be a redshirt sophomore, which means he's been with the program for three years but will be playing in just his sophomore year of eligibility. Two years from now, assuming he doesn't go to the NFL, he'll be a fifth-year senior and will exhaust his eligibility.

Yes, I am aware. My point was that the only "built story" around Manziel, other than the nickname, was slightly misleading terminology when regarding him as a freshman


It's not misleading at all to people who know what the term means. He's a first-year player. He and a true freshman, before this year, had the exact same playing time experience - none. It's the first time a first-year player has won the Heisman in history - that's pretty remarkable.
 
2013-01-17 12:00:03 PM

CADMonkey79: ha-ha-guy: CADMonkey79: Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?

That's definitely one issue. I heard one theory about the Ronnie boy being a jock sniffer and he might have used a faux girl on the NFL guy or something (maybe he actually was able to get a girl to act for him there). That said, personally I lean in the direction of gay coverup, but I see why others could lean in other ways. I assume sooner or later Deadspin or someone will dig up enough details to connect all the dots and explain the question marks like that NFL guy and we'll know the whole truth.

I guess that lends a little credibility to him just being duped if there are other victims from the same fake girl.


Or maybe they are just trying to cover for him.
 
2013-01-17 12:00:14 PM

sigdiamond2000: Yep, you nailed it.

But, my God, the sheer shamelessness it takes to write an article like that. Wow.


Also, attack Deadspin is not a good move. Daulerio is giant farking douchebag, but he's one who digs up dirt and nails people with ease. I'm not sure if I'd want to get into a pissing match with him.
 
2013-01-17 12:01:06 PM
Dafuq did I just read?
 
2013-01-17 12:02:58 PM

CADMonkey79: Or maybe they are just trying to cover for him.


Yeah, the two NFL who met her are Samoan and the claim is they met her way out at American Samoa IIRC, not in Cali. The Arizona guy and the AZ guy says Polamalu also met her. It will be interesting to see if Troy confirms that, denies that, or just stays the hell away from all this.
 
2013-01-17 12:03:18 PM
Some time during his first days on campus, his teammates most likely tried to get him to hook up with some drunk chick overly willing to make it with the star football player, and he quickly came up with the "I can't - I have a girlfriend" cover story, and it just snowballed from there.
 
2013-01-17 12:03:20 PM
"Thirdly, our investigators through their work were able to discover online chatter among the perpetrators that is sort of the ultimate proof of this, the joy they were taking, the sort of casualness with which among themselves they were referring to what they had accomplished and what they had done."

Whoever finds this first is going to be Internet famous.

What happened to the power of Fark?
 
2013-01-17 12:03:45 PM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: czetie: And if he is fabulating, it's not merely Making Stuff Up on the level of a Canadian girlfriend; he sincerely believes his own fiction.

Baron von Mantihausen?

muwaryer: There was absolutely no reason for ND to unequivocally support Te'o.

The Catholic school that earned its following flaunting the legends of 'winning one for the Gipper' and 'Rudy' certainly wouldn't double down on claiming the new legend of their star linebacker's dead girlfriend was just a cruel internet hoax and not anything that could be further damaging to the university football program. Nope, they're completely trustworthy here, cross their hearts and swear on Touchdown Jesus(tm).



I get where you're coming from...but this one is going to be very easy to prove/disprove. It would be a colossal mistake for ND to double down on this one unless they are 100% sure. I'm not saying that they're right -- Te'o may have duped them too -- but I do think they're convinced that they're right.
 
2013-01-17 12:06:18 PM

halfof33: "Thirdly, our investigators through their work were able to discover online chatter among the perpetrators that is sort of the ultimate proof of this, the joy they were taking, the sort of casualness with which among themselves they were referring to what they had accomplished and what they had done."

Whoever finds this first is going to be Internet famous.

What happened to the power of Fark?


Yeah, how come you haven't found that chatter yet man?
 
2013-01-17 12:06:58 PM

IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: One more-

Peter King @SI_PeterKing
RT @slacker_mike: Why did major outlets like SI, ESPN not identify this with fact checking?

In fairness, I can probably understand taking people at their word for it if there's a whole family talking about how they knew this person. Most of the time you're not going to assume they're lying and go check for a death certificate. If it were for a book, sure. For a random article or a brief mention on TV? Let's not assume reporters have all f*cking day to work on just one story.


Pete Thamel was in South Bend for four days working on that story. Notre Dame limited access to Manti Te'o to the last of those four days.

/ pass the tinfoil
 
2013-01-17 12:07:42 PM

IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: One more-

Peter King @SI_PeterKing
RT @slacker_mike: Why did major outlets like SI, ESPN not identify this with fact checking?

In fairness, I can probably understand taking people at their word for it if there's a whole family talking about how they knew this person. Most of the time you're not going to assume they're lying and go check for a death certificate. If it were for a book, sure. For a random article or a brief mention on TV? Let's not assume reporters have all f*cking day to work on just one story.


The scandal isn't going to be why they didn't fact check the story before the hoax was revealed. The scandal is going to be why they didn't report on it until their hand was forced by a blog.

It's pretty obvious, if not a factual certainty at this point, that this story was deliberately spiked by some members of the media

halfof33: "Thirdly, our investigators through their work were able to discover online chatter among the perpetrators that is sort of the ultimate proof of this, the joy they were taking, the sort of casualness with which among themselves they were referring to what they had accomplished and what they had done."

Whoever finds this first is going to be Internet famous.

What happened to the power of Fark?


More likely that this "online chatter" doesn't exist. ND has already said that they aren't going to release the "internal findings." Like I said above, it sounds to me like they believe they've closed the loop.
Of course, I could be wrong about this. I'm certainly engaging in some conjecture myself.
 
2013-01-17 12:08:47 PM

ATRDCI: Yes, I am aware. My point was that the only "built story" around Manziel, other than the nickname, was slightly misleading terminology when regarding him as a freshman


"After Johnny Manziel's first media appearance, Joe Posnanski wrote a gushing essay on the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner, dripping with the nostalgia evoked by a nickname like "Johnny Football." After he talked about how refreshing it was that Manziel's long media silence spared him from overexposure, you couldn't tell if Posnanski was talking about Manziel or Mickey Mantle. He lamented how they don't make 'em like they used to -- even placing scrambling quarterbacks in that category, as if no one's told him about MACtion -- before becoming enthralled by the "aww shucks" aesthetic accompanied by things like Manziel's modest statement that he didn't "see [himself] as Johnny Football."

Well, here's the other thing about that media silence -- it allowed people like Posnanski to create the "Johnny Football" of their dreams. Truth is, the real Johnny Manziel is out here flashing the money he won at a casino on Twitter. He might sip champagne here and there. He sits courtside at NBA games, and when people have a problem with any of it, he either tells them to keep hating or stop. He doesn't seem to give a damn either way, but he's not stopping because they don't like it. Johnny Manziel wants to ball. Not just on the field, but in his life. He retweets 50 Cent lyrics to reinforce this. Oh, and he goes back and forth with Larry Fitzgerald, Bubba Watson and some guys I'm told I should be aware of." Full article with links here.
 
2013-01-17 12:09:07 PM
So this guy met her in person but Manti is no claiming he never met her in person even though he told many stories about in person meetings?

Manti ran with a lie at some point.

The only question now is was he a player in the lie or was he duped and then ran with it after the fact?
 
rka
2013-01-17 12:09:10 PM

ha-ha-guy: sigdiamond2000: Yep, you nailed it.

But, my God, the sheer shamelessness it takes to write an article like that. Wow.

Also, attack Deadspin is not a good move. Daulerio is giant farking douchebag, but he's one who digs up dirt and nails people with ease. I'm not sure if I'd want to get into a pissing match with him.


AJ moved to be the Editor at Gawker a while back and just recently stepped down from that position as well.
 
2013-01-17 12:09:26 PM

LucklessWonder: DamnYankees: This is gonna be a hilarious 30 For 30 some day.

What if I told you that "Weekend At Rudy's" was based on a true story?


"Te' It Ain't So", directed by Henry Joost and Ariel Schulman.
 
2013-01-17 12:09:31 PM

El Uno Magnifico: ATRDCI: El Uno Magnifico: ATRDCI: IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: it's interesting that this is where the "real journalism" is coming from.

And as a PR person I find it funny that BOTH of the top Heisman finalists were helped dramatically by complete bullsh*t stories that had nothing to do with their production on the field.

I'm not saying that neither deserved to be there, I'd just remind people that Manziel wasn't allowed to talk to the press while A&M created a whole image for him that also seems to be BS. Te'o was allowed to talk to the press apparently with a made-up story.

/also, never even heard of Te'o's story before this either
//it's amazing how much bullsh*t you escape when you don't watch ESPN or other crap sports programming that gives you zero information about sports and 100% fabricated crap to "humanize" the athletes

The only really misleading thing about Manziel was that announcers kept calling him a redshirt freshman, while hours-wise he is actually a junior

/hell the family had to take control of the "story" so that there wouldn't be NCAA violations because somebody sold Johnny Football Tshirts or something like that

Redshirt freshman refers to the fact that he redshirted during his first year of college. Manziel this year played during his first year of eligibility (his second year in college). Next year he'll be a redshirt sophomore, which means he's been with the program for three years but will be playing in just his sophomore year of eligibility. Two years from now, assuming he doesn't go to the NFL, he'll be a fifth-year senior and will exhaust his eligibility.

Yes, I am aware. My point was that the only "built story" around Manziel, other than the nickname, was slightly misleading terminology when regarding him as a freshman

It's not misleading at all to people who know what the term means. He's a first-year player. He and a true freshman, before this year, had the exact same playing time experience - none. It's the first time a f ...


Yeah, I understand that, and its more a personal hang up than anything that's actually significant. Its just to me, even though he doesn't have the experience, he still had the workouts/body development, that a junior has. I mean, take the Europeans drafted in the NBA. You'd expect a 25 year old whose been playing in Euro leagues for say 5 years to do better than a 21 year old from St John's even though they are both rookes because the european has had more time to develop his body

/tbh, not that big a deal, the reason I brought it up is that while he wasn't allowed to talk to the media, there really has been zero story building by the university in regards to him
//I'll try to stop thread jacking
 
2013-01-17 12:10:07 PM
Can we just kill off the damn Heisman Trophy already? It's been the worst award in sports for decades.
 
2013-01-17 12:12:19 PM

muwaryer: I get where you're coming from...but this one is going to be very easy to prove/disprove. It would be a colossal mistake for ND to double down on this one unless they are 100% sure. I'm not saying that they're right -- Te'o may have duped them too -- but I do think they're convinced that they're right.


Maybe. I've just seen enough unforced errors from people and institutions in the sport that should have known better. After Sandusky, nothing really surprises me any more.
 
2013-01-17 12:12:27 PM

ha-ha-guy: CADMonkey79: Or maybe they are just trying to cover for him.

Yeah, the two NFL who met her are Samoan and the claim is they met her way out at American Samoa IIRC, not in Cali. The Arizona guy and the AZ guy says Polamalu also met her. It will be interesting to see if Troy confirms that, denies that, or just stays the hell away from all this.


All too strange. This is more complex than the Petraeus scandal.
 
2013-01-17 12:12:53 PM

ha-ha-guy: Yeah, how come you haven't found that chatter yet man?


I've been looking for it, seriously. But I suck at the internet.

I notice Deadspin is being a smart ass in a defensive way about the internet chatter.

If I ran an internet consulting/security firm, I would have ten people busting their asses to track this down. That would knock Deadspin right out of the headlines, and be worth millions in publicity.

I can't even look at pictures on the Facebook.
 
2013-01-17 12:12:57 PM

ATRDCI: /tbh, not that big a deal, the reason I brought it up is that while he wasn't allowed to talk to the media, there really has been zero story building by the university in regards to him


The story building is done by the media, which is helped by not having the QB act like a typical dumbsh*t 20-year-old. So everyone runs with the "Johnny Football" crap and all the old-school imagery it evokes while never hearing the dumbsh*t stuff he does on Twitter and how he's going to NBA games courtside, going to casinos and flashing money all over the place, etc. (All of which is legal, BTW, but it's nowhere near the image they made of the guy).
 
2013-01-17 12:15:04 PM
As someone pointed out in the last thread, Manti said he would talk to her over the phone all frickin' night and would sometimes wake up hearing her snore on the other end of the line.

Either:

(A) That's one dedicated group of pranksters
(B) Manti is in on it

/the answer is (B)
 
2013-01-17 12:15:09 PM
www.pratermedia.com
 
2013-01-17 12:15:37 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: I was just talking to my girlfriend about this!!!
[images.hollywoodpix.net image 449x600]


Yeah! That's the ticket.
 
2013-01-17 12:17:14 PM

AliceBToklasLives: As someone pointed out in the last thread, Manti said he would talk to her over the phone all frickin' night and would sometimes wake up hearing her snore on the other end of the line.

Either:

(A) That's one dedicated group of pranksters
(B) Manti is in on it

/the answer is (B)


Also, that's a pretty good phone plan if someone not making illegal money on the side while in college can do that.

/or a really good cell phone battery
 
2013-01-17 12:17:26 PM
Wow, that is a WHOLE STACK of nonsense names right there
 
2013-01-17 12:18:15 PM
Off in the distance, teammates heard rhythmic hash tagging coming from the shower.
 
2013-01-17 12:18:47 PM

sigdiamond2000: More likely that this "online chatter" doesn't exist.


Well, I saw some of it on Twitter last night. I assume it is what they speak of.

Link

Take from that what you want.
 
2013-01-17 12:19:29 PM

AliceBToklasLives: As someone pointed out in the last thread, Manti said he would talk to her over the phone all frickin' night and would sometimes wake up hearing her snore on the other end of the line.

Either:

(A) That's one dedicated group of pranksters
(B) Manti is in on it

/the answer is (B)


Especially when you consider the hoaxter was a guy and would have had to convinced some girl to be that dedicated.
 
2013-01-17 12:22:53 PM

srhp29: sigdiamond2000: More likely that this "online chatter" doesn't exist.

Well, I saw some of it on Twitter last night. I assume it is what they speak of.

Link

Take from that what you want.


Well that's interesting.
 
2013-01-17 12:24:03 PM
I just overheard this part of a conversation at lunch from some mouthbreather: "You know, Troy Polamalu sounds kinda gay when he talks. I wonder if they're all gay together and he's just helping to cover it all up? It will be interesting to see what he has to say about this."

I'll admit, I laughed.
 
2013-01-17 12:24:39 PM
Manti kinda reminds mw of this guy.

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
I can't wait to lose my virginity.
 
2013-01-17 12:25:30 PM

WhiskeySticks: Off in the distance, teammates heard rhythmic hash tagging coming from the shower.


Nice.
 
2013-01-17 12:26:01 PM

sigdiamond2000: srhp29: sigdiamond2000: More likely that this "online chatter" doesn't exist.

Well, I saw some of it on Twitter last night. I assume it is what they speak of.

Link

Take from that what you want.

Well that's interesting.


Now there is this...

Link

person behind LennayKay acct claims they are going to release a statement around 11AM...they do not mention a time zone.
 
2013-01-17 12:28:22 PM

srhp29: sigdiamond2000: srhp29: sigdiamond2000: More likely that this "online chatter" doesn't exist.

Well, I saw some of it on Twitter last night. I assume it is what they speak of.

Link

Take from that what you want.

Well that's interesting.

Now there is this...

Link

person behind LennayKay acct claims they are going to release a statement around 11AM...they do not mention a time zone.


OMG she is back from the dead.
 
2013-01-17 12:28:59 PM

srhp29: sigdiamond2000: srhp29: sigdiamond2000: More likely that this "online chatter" doesn't exist.

Well, I saw some of it on Twitter last night. I assume it is what they speak of.

Link

Take from that what you want.

Well that's interesting.

Now there is this...

Link

person behind LennayKay acct claims they are going to release a statement around 11AM...they do not mention a time zone.


I'd assume Pacific since the controller of that account likely lives in Cali. Hopefully not Hawaiian time.
 
2013-01-17 12:29:33 PM
Well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt... but it looks like a lie that Lance Armstrong would approve of.
 
2013-01-17 12:31:29 PM

WhiskeySticks: CADMonkey79: WhiskeySticks: CADMonkey79: Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?

Obvious, he's gay with this college kid.

Gay Samoan football club?

Sounds like an excellent fark handle...or a band name.


Hey, HEY...what's the first rule of the Gay Samoan Football Club??
 
2013-01-17 12:31:42 PM

PsyLord: Well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt... but it looks like a lie that Lance Armstrong would approve of.


There is no doubt in my mind that he lied at some point. Just not sure at which point.

There is also the possibility that many were involved in this ruse and that the "chatter" was part of the cover up.
 
2013-01-17 12:31:54 PM

ha-ha-guy: srhp29: sigdiamond2000: srhp29: sigdiamond2000: More likely that this "online chatter" doesn't exist.

Well, I saw some of it on Twitter last night. I assume it is what they speak of.

Link

Take from that what you want.

Well that's interesting.

Now there is this...

Link

person behind LennayKay acct claims they are going to release a statement around 11AM...they do not mention a time zone.

I'd assume Pacific since the controller of that account likely lives in Cali. Hopefully not Hawaiian time.


That puts it sometime between 2EST and 5EST depending on whether its 11-12 PST or whatever Hawaii is. (5h difference from EST).
 
2013-01-17 12:32:14 PM
question, is Ronaiah Tuiasosopo alive or dead?  I am being told by a credible person he is dead.  I haven't found anything to confirm that.
 
2013-01-17 12:32:29 PM

CADMonkey79: srhp29: sigdiamond2000: srhp29: sigdiamond2000: More likely that this "online chatter" doesn't exist.

Well, I saw some of it on Twitter last night. I assume it is what they speak of.

Link

Take from that what you want.

Well that's interesting.

Now there is this...

Link

person behind LennayKay acct claims they are going to release a statement around 11AM...they do not mention a time zone.

OMG she is back from the dead.


Nah. I'm sure there is Twitter in the afterlife.
 
2013-01-17 12:32:40 PM

cleveoh: WhiskeySticks: CADMonkey79: WhiskeySticks: CADMonkey79: Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?

Obvious, he's gay with this college kid.

Gay Samoan football club?

Sounds like an excellent fark handle...or a band name.

Hey, HEY...what's the first rule of the Gay Samoan Football Club??


Never go in dry?
 
2013-01-17 12:35:16 PM

srhp29: PsyLord: Well, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt... but it looks like a lie that Lance Armstrong would approve of.

There is no doubt in my mind that he lied at some point. Just not sure at which point.

There is also the possibility that many were involved in this ruse and that the "chatter" was part of the cover up.


Seems like this lie was also pretty unnecessary unless he was trying to score some sympathy points for the Heisman or something. But then again, if he did win any awards, the truth would come out later to tarnish it. So I'm not sure what the thinking was behind this whole thing if it was a lie to begin with.
 
2013-01-17 12:36:56 PM

Lost Thought 00: ND canceled the interview with Te'o for today. I guess they still need more time to flesh out their cover story


All of you need to get lives.
 
2013-01-17 12:37:13 PM

sigdiamond2000: Holy Christ. Has anyone read this Pat Forde article on this yet?

Laughter LOL out loud.


FTFA: "Physical interaction might not have been at the top of his relationship wish list."
Really? I thought physical interaction was at the top of every young man's wish list, straight or gay.
 
2013-01-17 12:38:07 PM

srhp29: Nah. I'm sure there is Twitter in the afterlife.


Google wired up heaven with fiber? Cool.
 
2013-01-17 12:38:27 PM

srhp29: CADMonkey79: srhp29: sigdiamond2000: srhp29: sigdiamond2000: More likely that this "online chatter" doesn't exist.

Well, I saw some of it on Twitter last night. I assume it is what they speak of.

Link

Take from that what you want.

Well that's interesting.

Now there is this...

Link

person behind LennayKay acct claims they are going to release a statement around 11AM...they do not mention a time zone.

OMG she is back from the dead.

Nah. I'm sure there is Twitter in the afterlife.


#YOLF(orever)
 
2013-01-17 12:40:17 PM
Deadspin Update

The Deadspin article seems to kill off the gay theory, assuming the second block quote is accurate. Rather it goes more for trying to play the media for personal benefit.
 
2013-01-17 12:43:56 PM
Former Stanford defensive tackle Matthew Masifilo thinks Manti Te'o was truly duped by his fake girlfriend.

Masifilo, who played at Stanford from 2007-2011 and signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in November, claims Te'o was always asking Stanford players if they knew his mystery girlfriend.
 
2013-01-17 12:43:57 PM
Never trust a Tuiasosopo...

It is clear that Ronaiah Tuiasosop was in on this if not the leader of this hoax.

Since it has been reported he and Manti are connected in some way, it starts to look like maybe Manti knew the whole time?

Link
 
2013-01-17 12:45:25 PM

halfof33: Former Stanford defensive tackle Matthew Masifilo thinks Manti Te'o was truly duped by his fake girlfriend.

Masifilo, who played at Stanford from 2007-2011 and signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in November, claims Te'o was always asking Stanford players if they knew his mystery girlfriend.


That could just as easily be Te'o's way of keeping up the ruse.
 
2013-01-17 12:45:26 PM

Lando Lincoln: Lost Thought 00: ND canceled the interview with Te'o for today. I guess they still need more time to flesh out their cover story

All of you need to get lives.


Says the Total Fark guy.

Anyways, still unanswered: Why is this an official Notre Dame matter?
 
2013-01-17 12:46:45 PM

sigdiamond2000: If nothing else, these Manti Te'o threads will be good for playing "spot the Notre Dame alums."


Lando Lincoln: Lost Thought 00: ND canceled the interview with Te'o for today. I guess they still need more time to flesh out their cover story

All of you need to get lives.

 
2013-01-17 12:48:23 PM

halfof33: Former Stanford defensive tackle Matthew Masifilo thinks Manti Te'o was truly duped by his fake girlfriend.

Masifilo, who played at Stanford from 2007-2011 and signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in November, claims Te'o was always asking Stanford players if they knew his mystery girlfriend.


I think he was duped. I also think he did a lot of lying for some reason. He claimed to have met her multiple times which we now know he did not. He also pretty much admitted he never met her, yesterday.
 
2013-01-17 12:48:59 PM

DamnYankees: halfof33: Former Stanford defensive tackle Matthew Masifilo thinks Manti Te'o was truly duped by his fake girlfriend.

Masifilo, who played at Stanford from 2007-2011 and signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in November, claims Te'o was always asking Stanford players if they knew his mystery girlfriend.

That could just as easily be Te'o's way of keeping up the ruse.


That takes dedication.
 
2013-01-17 12:49:06 PM

srhp29: Never trust a Tuiasosopo...

It is clear that Ronaiah Tuiasosop was in on this if not the leader of this hoax.

Since it has been reported he and Manti are connected in some way, it starts to look like maybe Manti knew the whole time?

Link


For your enjoyment, you can find Ronaiah Tuiasosopo's twitter history by searching for the user iWorship on topsy.com.
 
2013-01-17 12:50:05 PM

halfof33: DamnYankees: halfof33: Former Stanford defensive tackle Matthew Masifilo thinks Manti Te'o was truly duped by his fake girlfriend.

Masifilo, who played at Stanford from 2007-2011 and signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in November, claims Te'o was always asking Stanford players if they knew his mystery girlfriend.

That could just as easily be Te'o's way of keeping up the ruse.

That takes dedication.


This clearly took dedication from someone on an epic scale. If it wasn't Te'o, it was somebody else. Might as well attribute it to Te'o.
 
2013-01-17 12:50:38 PM
Two things.

1. This story was better back when I thought his first name rhymed with panty.
2. My favorite thing to come out of this generous and hilarious story so far is the Twitter exchange between Trump and Deadspin. Twitter Link
 
2013-01-17 12:53:07 PM

halfof33: Former Stanford defensive tackle Matthew Masifilo thinks Manti Te'o was truly duped by his fake girlfriend.

Masifilo, who played at Stanford from 2007-2011 and signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in November, claims Te'o was always asking Stanford players if they knew his mystery girlfriend.


Was he asking this on the field? Say after a play?

Guy gets tackled, gets up and asks players if they know his girlfriend and if they've seen his baseball.

Puts a new spin on "special" teams.
 
2013-01-17 12:53:56 PM

ongbok: KingsleyZisou: ongbok: NaziKamikaze: At least Johnny Manziel won the Heisman. Imagine the voting if this bullshiat wasn't always in the air.

Hell, since it's obvious he was compliant in this, he should be vacated from the list of eligible recipients.

That is one reason why I think this was a marketing scheme setup by either ND, an agent or a booster to raise Teo's Heisman stock. Also if this was just Teo doing this himself without the school's knowledge, I don't think they would be sticking with him through all of this especially with this thing getting sillier and sillier by the minute. ND is part of this hoax and they are trying to keep it from coming out.

I too don't understand ND's motivation to support Teo. If he is a fraud, throw him under the bus and protect the institution. I however don't think the school is "in on it." What would they have to gain from such a scheme? Maybe publicity from the Heisman campaign but that only happened in year 4 of this charade.

I think Teo had convinced the administration that he is a victim. Pathological liars will spin any situation to suit their needs. They are very good at convincing people. Just my theory though.

/this while thing is hilarious
//Catfish and Lance Armstrong are doing backflips with joy today

Or he may have been really scammed by someone. And if he was it probably involved him sending them money. It could have been somebody that befriended him on Facebook or whatever and used his naivety to lead him on and con him into sending them money over the years.Then decided to go for the big score and threatened to expose the whole thing if he didn't pat up. This has been known to happen.


Sorry but I don't buy the Te'o is a victim angle. He goes to great length to keep this scam going. If he's a victim why would he do that? Once the jig is up on the scam, he can get help. What incentive does he have to perpetuate it other than the original extortion? Hell he should be sabotaging it. Instead, he helps keep it rolling along.

He has a preexisting relationship with the perp. Does that mean Manti was an easy mark? That's possible. It's also possible they corroborated.

Who blackmails a college student? Even a future pro athlete is currently poor. A scam with less effort on a better target would yield more immediate results.

Sorry but too much of this sorry points to Manti for him to be a victim.
 
2013-01-17 12:55:15 PM
For those wondering why he doesn't just come out, he's an Hawaiian mormon, who are (at least generally) very sheltered and conservative, and is going to the school that hasn't let a LGBT group form for 20 years, and now they are letting it form, they are forcing the group to promote chastity.

Add in to the fact that his dad probably didn't want to believe his star football son was gay, I can understand why he created the girlfriend (though the car accident/cancer part was not smart)

----------

I'm an agnostic, so this is no defense of the Mormon or Catholic faith, but your entire premise here is, well, to be nice, "off base".

Mormons and Catholics promote chastity for heterosexuals, as well. The statement that they are "forcing" the LGBT group to "promote chastity" is in line with their religious beliefs for all of their members/students, not just teh ghey ones. As a matter of fact, it just so happens to be a tenet of MANY religions. No sex before marriage. They ask the LGBT group to adhere to those same tenets if they wish to attend the same school? The horror! Why do you have a problem with this? Do you believe LGBT have some promiscuity gene that unfairly disadvantages them from adhering to the same tenets? LGBTers are less capable of being chaste than a heterosexual person? That sounds a little prejudiced! Do you have something against LGBTers?

I don't agree with the whole chastity notion, myself, but I sure don't see a problem with "forcing" (sounds so evil) the LGBT group to follow the same rules as the rest of the school population, with regard to the religious doctrine. When they graduate and move to California or some other state that allows same-sex marriages, they can get married and have teh sex, or promote "non-chastity" in any forms they wish. But, the horror that you are implying? Meh.

Is it a shame that LGBTers can't get married in ANY state? Or, that it took 20 years for the group to be allowed to form? Sure. I could grant you those. But that they are now being persecuted because they have to follow the same tenets as the rest of the school population? Um. No. They're not kicking them out of the school because they are LGBT, mind you, but you can't go to Notre Dame and then have a gay pride soft-core porn parade out on the square, or otherwise promote promiscuity. Not what you signed up for. That is allowed other places, go there and promote "non-chastity" there. There are many places where it is tolerated and even welcomed. Notre Dame isn't one. Notre Dame doesn't allow promotion of "non-chastity" anywhere on campus by any heterosexual group.

Now that I explain your argument, you probably realize how silly it sounds. You probably didn't mean to say that, right? Probably should have left that part out of the argument, right?

Now, that that is out of the way, I would be VERY surprised if this was done at all because Manti is gay. It looks, though, entirely as he was "in on it". Someone attempted to use Occam's Razor to justify that he is gay, but for that to be true, for Occam, this would have to be the most likely excuse, which it is not.

Serial dating - none ever getting "serious", using the chastity cloak of his religion, a Hollywood Beard etc. Those are FAR more likely methods for concealing one's homosexuality. A complex internet ruse that draws a lot of attention to your sexuality is probably not the simplest explanation.

Now, attention, hmm...why would someone want a lot of attention?
 
2013-01-17 12:56:00 PM

WhiskeySticks: Was he asking this on the field? Say after a play?

Guy gets tackled, gets up and asks players if they know his girlfriend and if they've seen his baseball.

Puts a new spin on "special" teams.


After the game when they are all shaking hands, usually the Hawaii/Samoans guys get together and say hi, the bible thumpers get together, the hip hopsters say holla holla holla, and the Jew is usually passing out business cards.
 
2013-01-17 12:56:51 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Lando Lincoln: Lost Thought 00: ND canceled the interview with Te'o for today. I guess they still need more time to flesh out their cover story

All of you need to get lives.

Says the Total Fark guy.

Anyways, still unanswered: Why is this an official Notre Dame matter?


I'm assuming because Notre Dame's athletic department bought into the story, and was partly responsible for gearing up the media blitz that sold that story. After all, winning the Heisman has become just as much about the campaign as the on-field performance. It's absolutely idiotic that the award has reached that level of lobbying, but that's how things are now.
 
2013-01-17 12:58:11 PM

srhp29: I think he was duped. I also think he did a lot of lying for some reason. He claimed to have met her multiple times which we now know he did not. He also pretty much admitted he never met her, yesterday.


Well, the lying part may have been out of mild embarrassment; it might be hard for a big bad football player to admit to people he has a super goddamn "i wanna marry this girl" crush on a glorified pen pal.
 
2013-01-17 12:59:17 PM

halfof33: "Thirdly, our investigators through their work were able to discover online chatter among the perpetrators that is sort of the ultimate proof of this, the joy they were taking, the sort of casualness with which among themselves they were referring to what they had accomplished and what they had done."

Whoever finds this first is going to be Internet famous.


I think you are grossly overestimating the Internet's interest in this.
 
2013-01-17 01:04:19 PM

Dansker: I think you are grossly overestimating the Internet's interest in this.


I am certain that you are wrong, because this is going off internet to Mass Media.

"The website "fark.com" today found all this fancy stuff, and its own Drew Curtis said "blah blah blah." Next on ABC NEWs, 157 Dead Syrians, good start or great start?"
 
2013-01-17 01:07:17 PM

Killer Cars: srhp29: I think he was duped. I also think he did a lot of lying for some reason. He claimed to have met her multiple times which we now know he did not. He also pretty much admitted he never met her, yesterday.

Well, the lying part may have been out of mild embarrassment; it might be hard for a big bad football player to admit to people he has a super goddamn "i wanna marry this girl" crush on a glorified pen pal.


Yeah, that was a thought I have had too. He didn't want to go around saying he never met this girl he is in love with after three years.
 
2013-01-17 01:08:13 PM

UNC_Samurai: AliceBToklasLives: Lando Lincoln: Lost Thought 00: ND canceled the interview with Te'o for today. I guess they still need more time to flesh out their cover story

All of you need to get lives.

Says the Total Fark guy.

Anyways, still unanswered: Why is this an official Notre Dame matter?

I'm assuming because Notre Dame's athletic department bought into the story, and was partly responsible for gearing up the media blitz that sold that story. After all, winning the Heisman has become just as much about the campaign as the on-field performance. It's absolutely idiotic that the award has reached that level of lobbying, but that's how things are now.


Yeah, I forget that they lobby like their players are up for an Academy Award. And it's been going on a long time. Back in the early 70s, Notre Dame's PR department actually changed the pronunciation of Joe Theismann's name so it rhymed with Heisman.
 
2013-01-17 01:08:19 PM
So looking at "her" twit account, they went to the trouble to come up with names for her fake grandpa's.
 
2013-01-17 01:11:23 PM

Bartleby the Scrivener: SlothB77: Arizona Cardinals fullback Reagan Mauia said he met Lennay Kekua in person during an outreach trip with Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers and others in June 2011.

I am curious if Polamalu was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua.

Word on Pittsburgh radio was that Polamau was somehow involved, but it's not clear if he was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua. There might be some sort of relationship between Polamalu and Te'o, but that does not mean that Polamalu had any information about Maiua or Kekua. It's unfortunate that we cannot ask Seau about the relationships between Polamua, Te'o, Mauai and Kekua, so we may have to ask Manu Tuiasosopo or Tui Alailefaleula.


whatthefarkamireading.jpg
 
2013-01-17 01:12:42 PM

srhp29: sigdiamond2000: srhp29: sigdiamond2000: More likely that this "online chatter" doesn't exist.

Well, I saw some of it on Twitter last night. I assume it is what they speak of.

Link

Take from that what you want.

Well that's interesting.

Now there is this...

Link

person behind LennayKay acct claims they are going to release a statement around 11AM...they do not mention a time zone.


Okay, this is my tinfoil hat prediction.... Tuiasosopo and Teo were in on it the whole time. Now that they've been exposed, the fake Lennay (Tuiasosopo) will say that Te'o was innocent and a victim of the hoax in order to protect Te'o.

Takes tinfoil hat off..

/what a farked-up story
 
2013-01-17 01:15:22 PM
What we're gonna find out is that there were a series of near misses.

Plans to meet, but then changes and excuses from the girl at the last minute.

Tragedy after tragedy, incremental and encroaching suspension of disbelief, incident after incident.

Oh, and look. There's a 'twin brother' who spent time talking with Te'o's family. Why yes, we sound alike on the phone, sorry about that.

I'll bet we'll find out that the 'twin brother' is the one who told Te'o's parents that Te'o and the girlfriend had actually met a few times.

And the reason the media is now trying to portray Te'o as a perpetrator of the hoax is because some of them added their own spin without checking their facts and they're interested in covering their own rear ends at the expense of this young man.
 
2013-01-17 01:16:35 PM

blarkseymark: For those wondering why he doesn't just come out, he's an Hawaiian mormon, who are (at least generally) very sheltered and conservative, and is going to the school that hasn't let a LGBT group form for 20 years, and now they are letting it form, they are forcing the group to promote chastity.

Add in to the fact that his dad probably didn't want to believe his star football son was gay, I can understand why he created the girlfriend (though the car accident/cancer part was not smart)

----------

I'm an agnostic, so this is no defense of the Mormon or Catholic faith, but your entire premise here is, well, to be nice, "off base".

Mormons and Catholics promote chastity for heterosexuals, as well. The statement that they are "forcing" the LGBT group to "promote chastity" is in line with their religious beliefs for all of their members/students, not just teh ghey ones. As a matter of fact, it just so happens to be a tenet of MANY religions. No sex before marriage. They ask the LGBT group to adhere to those same tenets if they wish to attend the same school? The horror! Why do you have a problem with this? Do you believe LGBT have some promiscuity gene that unfairly disadvantages them from adhering to the same tenets? LGBTers are less capable of being chaste than a heterosexual person? That sounds a little prejudiced! Do you have something against LGBTers?

I don't agree with the whole chastity notion, myself, but I sure don't see a problem with "forcing" (sounds so evil) the LGBT group to follow the same rules as the rest of the school population, with regard to the religious doctrine. When they graduate and move to California or some other state that allows same-sex marriages, they can get married and have teh sex, or promote "non-chastity" in any forms they wish. But, the horror that you are implying? Meh.

Is it a shame that LGBTers can't get married in ANY state? Or, that it took 20 years for the group to be allowed to form? Sure. I could grant you those. But that ...


You know what, I apologize. i was not aware of ND's general chasitity policy. I mistakenly though that it was only for this LGBT group. I do believe that the point still stands that (presuming he's gay, yes we don't know this, its just the alternative is that he's a complete scumbag) he's been in a culture that has at best told him to hold in and ignore his sexual urges for the rest of his life. At worst, you're getting into him being an abomination before God and needing to be "cured". I'm not going to presume where on the scale his life was since I don't know him. Creating a fake girlfriend would not be all that unreasonable.

/it still feels a bit wrong to me since the same people who came up with the chastity policy almost certainly against gay marriage, allowing them to say they treat everyone equal while the reality is different
 
2013-01-17 01:17:07 PM
So, here's an angle....

Anyone else look at Tuiososopo's pic in the earlier Deadspin article and think he looks rather slender and effeminate? Neither Te'o or Mauia have claimed to check 'Lennay' under the hood, so to speak. Could be that the guy dressed up as a woman and fooled both of them, wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.
 
2013-01-17 01:19:13 PM

PowerSlacker: Can we just kill off the damn Heisman Trophy already? It's been the worst award in sports for decades.


I've vote for the yellow Jersey as worst award. At least people have actually won the Heisman.

/1 vacated award
 
2013-01-17 01:23:59 PM

RoyFokker'sGhost: So, here's an angle....

Anyone else look at Tuiososopo's pic in the earlier Deadspin article and think he looks rather slender and effeminate? Neither Te'o or Mauia have claimed to check 'Lennay' under the hood, so to speak. Could be that the guy dressed up as a woman and fooled both of them, wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.


And the pictures of some other chick the person likely didn't look like?
 
2013-01-17 01:31:49 PM
So either the media is really sloppy when it comes to fact checking or Te'o was really sloppy with keeping his "facts" straight. Fresh from Deadspin.
 
2013-01-17 01:32:32 PM
1) He's a Morman
2) He plays for a Catholic university
3) He want to play in the "manly" NFL
4) He's gay

Sad that he felt he had to do it this way.
 
2013-01-17 01:32:39 PM

srhp29: Never trust a Tuiasosopo...

It is clear that Ronaiah Tuiasosop was in on this if not the leader of this hoax.

Since it has been reported he and Manti are connected in some way, it starts to look like maybe Manti knew the whole time?

Link


These people use too many vowels. They should marry Russians, then the stuff, we might read the stuff.
 
2013-01-17 01:35:11 PM
www.cubbytees.com
 
2013-01-17 01:36:09 PM

KingsleyZisou: ongbok: KingsleyZisou: ongbok: NaziKamikaze: At least Johnny Manziel won the Heisman. Imagine the voting if this bullshiat wasn't always in the air.

Hell, since it's obvious he was compliant in this, he should be vacated from the list of eligible recipients.

That is one reason why I think this was a marketing scheme setup by either ND, an agent or a booster to raise Teo's Heisman stock. Also if this was just Teo doing this himself without the school's knowledge, I don't think they would be sticking with him through all of this especially with this thing getting sillier and sillier by the minute. ND is part of this hoax and they are trying to keep it from coming out.

I too don't understand ND's motivation to support Teo. If he is a fraud, throw him under the bus and protect the institution. I however don't think the school is "in on it." What would they have to gain from such a scheme? Maybe publicity from the Heisman campaign but that only happened in year 4 of this charade.

I think Teo had convinced the administration that he is a victim. Pathological liars will spin any situation to suit their needs. They are very good at convincing people. Just my theory though.

/this while thing is hilarious
//Catfish and Lance Armstrong are doing backflips with joy today

Or he may have been really scammed by someone. And if he was it probably involved him sending them money. It could have been somebody that befriended him on Facebook or whatever and used his naivety to lead him on and con him into sending them money over the years.Then decided to go for the big score and threatened to expose the whole thing if he didn't pat up. This has been known to happen.

Sorry but I don't buy the Te'o is a victim angle. He goes to great length to keep this scam going. If he's a victim why would he do that? Once the jig is up on the scam, he can get help. What incentive does he have to perpetuate it other than the original extortion? Hell he should be sabotaging it. Instead, he helps keep it rolling along.

He has a preexisting relationship with the perp. Does that mean Manti was an easy mark? That's possible. It's also possible they corroborated.

Who blackmails a college student? Even a future pro athlete is currently poor. A scam with less effort on a better target would yield more immediate results.

Sorry but too much of this sorry points to Manti for him to be a victim.


You scam whoever is willing to send you money. People will run scams and extortion schemes on welfare recipients. If he did get scammed, whoever did it could have tried to contact dozens of different pro and college football players, Teo was just the one that responded and got caught in the web.

And why would he keep it going? Maybe because he wanted to believe it was true and that someday she would really be his girlfriend. You ever see those Nigerian scams where they get people to continuously send them money, even though the person hasn't seen any money in return and have been told by their bank that they are getting scammed, all because the person wants to believe that the lie they were told will become true? People can build up a fantasy when they are getting scammed and it can be hard for them to let that go even though they know it is a scam.

Also the reason why he kept it going after he and ND claims to have known it was a scam could be if any type of extortion was involved, the police may have gotten involved and they wanted him to keep it going.

This is if it was a scam. Personally I think it may have been some type of real correspondence between him and some girl that didn't amount to much and fizzled out, that he, and probably either ND or an agent, decided to use to create a whole fake story for PR reasons.
 
2013-01-17 01:37:57 PM

Bartleby the Scrivener: SlothB77: Arizona Cardinals fullback Reagan Mauia said he met Lennay Kekua in person during an outreach trip with Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers and others in June 2011.

I am curious if Polamalu was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua.

Word on Pittsburgh radio was that Polamau was somehow involved, but it's not clear if he was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua. There might be some sort of relationship between Polamalu and Te'o, but that does not mean that Polamalu had any information about Maiua or Kekua. It's unfortunate that we cannot ask Seau about the relationships between Polamua, Te'o, Mauai and Kekua, so we may have to ask Manu Tuiasosopo or Tui Alailefaleula.


I'm still waiting for Malauga and the Kemoeatu brothers to weigh in before I make up my mind
 
2013-01-17 01:38:02 PM
This is the dumbest story ever. College football is always a farking soap opera.
 
2013-01-17 01:42:19 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: This is the dumbest story ever.


Oh yeah? Well your face is a dumb story.
 
2013-01-17 01:42:58 PM

sigdiamond2000: If nothing else, these Manti Te'o threads will be good for playing "spot the Notre Dame alums."


It's also good for playing "spot the basement dwellers"

The story is farked up and we'll probably never really know what happened. Manti, Tuiasosopo, and whoever played Kekua in person can all give press conferences under the influence of sodium pentothal and there still going to be unanswered questions. Yet, as soon as the Deadspin story came out, there's people who now suddenly have clairvoyant insight about what really happened -- Manti was in on it, Manti is gay, the true motives were X or Y.
 
2013-01-17 01:44:44 PM

The Slush: Tui Alailefaleula.


media.sdreader.com

The whole thing is O-TAY!
 
2013-01-17 01:44:48 PM
This story is probably only the least bit interesting because super shoddy journalism pushed stories with different facts and didn't bother to actual check any of them.

Either different details were given to them and they didn't check anything, or they made assumptions and got things wrong.
 
2013-01-17 01:48:02 PM

ATRDCI: blarkseymark: For those wondering why he doesn't just come out, he's an Hawaiian mormon, who are (at least generally) very sheltered and conservative, and is going to the school that hasn't let a LGBT group form for 20 years, and now they are letting it form, they are forcing the group to promote chastity.

Add in to the fact that his dad probably didn't want to believe his star football son was gay, I can understand why he created the girlfriend (though the car accident/cancer part was not smart)

----------

I'm an agnostic, so this is no defense of the Mormon or Catholic faith, but your entire premise here is, well, to be nice, "off base".

Mormons and Catholics promote chastity for heterosexuals, as well. The statement that they are "forcing" the LGBT group to "promote chastity" is in line with their religious beliefs for all of their members/students, not just teh ghey ones. As a matter of fact, it just so happens to be a tenet of MANY religions. No sex before marriage. They ask the LGBT group to adhere to those same tenets if they wish to attend the same school? The horror! Why do you have a problem with this? Do you believe LGBT have some promiscuity gene that unfairly disadvantages them from adhering to the same tenets? LGBTers are less capable of being chaste than a heterosexual person? That sounds a little prejudiced! Do you have something against LGBTers?

I don't agree with the whole chastity notion, myself, but I sure don't see a problem with "forcing" (sounds so evil) the LGBT group to follow the same rules as the rest of the school population, with regard to the religious doctrine. When they graduate and move to California or some other state that allows same-sex marriages, they can get married and have teh sex, or promote "non-chastity" in any forms they wish. But, the horror that you are implying? Meh.

Is it a shame that LGBTers can't get married in ANY state? Or, that it took 20 years for the group to be allowed to form? Sure. I could grant you th ...


The chastity thing is different when it's LGBT students than with straight students. The LGBT students aren't allowed to consider the possibility of ever getting in a committed relationship some day--chastity, as taught to LGBT students means never having any kind of sexual or even romantic contact with someone they're attracted to, not for their entire life. For straight students, chastity is a temporary thing until marriage, and marriage is the goal. Gay kids are expected to live like monks their entire lives.

I went to a religious college where pre-marital sex was a student conduct violation. It's a completely different ball of wax for gay students than straight students. Straight students get the message that sex is great, just not yet, Gay students get the message that sex is bad and should not happen ever.
 
2013-01-17 01:48:55 PM
Is this the college football fan's version of Guiding Light or As The World Turns?
 
2013-01-17 01:49:29 PM
images.sportsline.com
"I know Manti's girlfriend...She was OC at Georgia Tech with me." - George O'Leary
 
2013-01-17 01:50:05 PM
 
2013-01-17 01:50:55 PM
"They started out as just friends," Brian Te'o said. "Every once in a while, she would travel to Hawaii, and that happened to be the time Manti was home, so he would meet with her there. But within the last year, they became a couple. "And we came to the realization that she could be our daughter-in-law. Sadly, it won't happen now."

This quote from the father points to Manti (family) being in on it or his father just making sh*t up. Someone suggested maybe one of the other people told the father she had been to hawaii and somehow Manti never confirmed or denied that to his father? really?
 
2013-01-17 01:53:57 PM

Killer Cars: Ow! That was my feelings!: This is the dumbest story ever.

Oh yeah? Well your face is a dumb story.


Oh, so you've seen me with a 'tache, huh?
 
2013-01-17 01:54:19 PM

babysealclubber: ExperianScaresCthulhu: - Money, gifts, notoriety and feeling loved/important? (the Total Farker who fled to Reddit)

You keep bringing this up. Who the hell are you referencing?


I'm guessing LittleRedJug or GrablesDaughter, but that's pure speculation.
 
2013-01-17 01:54:47 PM

rynthetyn: I went to a religious college where pre-marital sex was a student conduct violation. It's a completely different ball of wax for gay students than straight students. Straight students get the message that sex is great, just not yet, Gay students get the message that sex is bad and should not happen ever.


Well, Colleges with sex clauses as part of their "student conduct" provisions are not known for being party schools. I assume that there was a damn good reason why no one could transfer out, was this like a college that you were sentenced to?
 
2013-01-17 01:54:57 PM

LucklessWonder: babysealclubber: ExperianScaresCthulhu: - Money, gifts, notoriety and feeling loved/important? (the Total Farker who fled to Reddit)

You keep bringing this up. Who the hell are you referencing?

I'm guessing LittleRedJug or GrablesDaughter, but that's pure speculation.


Pancake run?
 
2013-01-17 01:55:41 PM

Donnchadha: sigdiamond2000: If nothing else, these Manti Te'o threads will be good for playing "spot the Notre Dame alums."

It's also good for playing "spot the basement dwellers"

The story is farked up and we'll probably never really know what happened. Manti, Tuiasosopo, and whoever played Kekua in person can all give press conferences under the influence of sodium pentothal and there still going to be unanswered questions. Yet, as soon as the Deadspin story came out, there's people who now suddenly have clairvoyant insight about what really happened -- Manti was in on it, Manti is gay, the true motives were X or Y.


Yay everybody, its the guy who likes to shame everyone for having a fun discussion speculating on the circumstances of a really bizarre story.
 
2013-01-17 01:56:27 PM

rynthetyn: The chastity thing is different when it's LGBT students than with straight students. The LGBT students aren't allowed to consider the possibility of ever getting in a committed relationship some day--chastity, as taught to LGBT students means never having any kind of sexual or even romantic contact with someone they're attracted to, not for their entire life. For straight students, chastity is a temporary thing until marriage, and marriage is the goal. Gay kids are expected to live like monks their entire lives.

I went to a religious college where pre-marital sex was a student conduct violation. It's a completely different ball of wax for gay students than straight students. Straight students get the message that sex is great, just not yet, Gay students get the message that sex is bad and should not happen ever.


From a Catholic standpoint, chastity is not temporary until marriage. There are still rules dictating chastity within marriage which is where you get all the weird rules about Catholic sex. You do not get carte blanche to all sexual relations just because you're married -- no contraceptives, husband must "finish" inside the wife (in the right hole too), no masturbation or other forms of fornication, etc.. Chastity is not about "not having sex" but "not having immoral sex". For single people or gay people there is no moral sex, so chastity = no sex at all.
 
2013-01-17 01:57:23 PM
Maybe the chick whose pictures were used, including one she mailed to Tuiososopa herself with a handwritten sign is the picture) was in on it. She did concede T. was an old friend she knew from high school years. If she hung out with T. she could have been in on it. On the other hand, this "sighting" might have been more just that instead of a meeting, with T. making up a new backstory for her all by himself.
 
2013-01-17 01:58:06 PM

srhp29: RoyFokker'sGhost: So, here's an angle....

Anyone else look at Tuiososopo's pic in the earlier Deadspin article and think he looks rather slender and effeminate? Neither Te'o or Mauia have claimed to check 'Lennay' under the hood, so to speak. Could be that the guy dressed up as a woman and fooled both of them, wouldn't be the first time something like that has happened.

And the pictures of some other chick the person likely didn't look like?


Haven't seen the pictures of the girl, since most of them have been taken down now. I came late to this party.

It all depends on what pictures were used and how similar/dissimilar the faces are. After all, how many pictures of yourself have you looked at (Driver's License photos included) and said 'That doesn't quite look like me...'

I'm not saying that the guy pulled a Mrs. Doubtfire, just that it's a possible scenario.
 
2013-01-17 02:00:48 PM

Deneb81: super shoddy journalism


Also known as sports journalism, which incidentally tends to have even less of a budget for investigative reporting than other kinds of journalism.
 
2013-01-17 02:01:30 PM

LucklessWonder: I'm guessing LittleRedJug or GrablesDaughter, but that's pure speculation.


Really?
I have not heard those
Characters' names is a
Hen's Age.
I used to
Enjoy those two. However, I think her name was
Little Blond Jug.
Anyway, easy mistake to make
When you are posting on the internet.
 
2013-01-17 02:02:52 PM

CADMonkey79: Yay everybody, its the guy who likes to shame everyone for having a fun discussion speculating on the circumstances of a really bizarre story.


I'm not saying you can't hypothesize, but just make sure that your hypothesis actually fits the data instead of coming up with a conclusion, cherry picking reports that support your idea and then claiming that contrary reports are inaccurate journalism or ESPN trying to squelch the story and you know the REAL truth that the media isn't reporting.
 
2013-01-17 02:04:11 PM

cleveoh: WhiskeySticks: CADMonkey79: WhiskeySticks: CADMonkey79: Plausible, but how would the NFL guys claiming to know her fit?

Obvious, he's gay with this college kid.

Gay Samoan football club?

Sounds like an excellent fark handle...or a band name.

Hey, HEY...what's the first rule of the Gay Samoan Football Club??


No pooftahs?
 
2013-01-17 02:04:56 PM

Cybernetic: Yeah, but she's from Canada. You wouldn't know her.


I might...what part of Canada is she from? Down town?
 
2013-01-17 02:04:56 PM

The Slush: Bartleby the Scrivener: SlothB77: Arizona Cardinals fullback Reagan Mauia said he met Lennay Kekua in person during an outreach trip with Troy Polamalu of the Pittsburgh Steelers and others in June 2011.

I am curious if Polamalu was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua.

Word on Pittsburgh radio was that Polamau was somehow involved, but it's not clear if he was with Mauia when Mauia met Kekua. There might be some sort of relationship between Polamalu and Te'o, but that does not mean that Polamalu had any information about Maiua or Kekua. It's unfortunate that we cannot ask Seau about the relationships between Polamua, Te'o, Mauai and Kekua, so we may have to ask Manu Tuiasosopo or Tui Alailefaleula.

I'm still waiting for Malauga and the Kemoeatu brothers to weigh in before I make up my mind


I wish Duke Paoa Kahanamoku were around to get all these guys acting in line. It's sad, like that Israel Kaʻanoʻi Kamakawiwoʻole cover of Armstrong.
 
2013-01-17 02:06:39 PM
Stay posted...

@LennayKay - I will be releasing a statement, via twitter, between 11am and noon today.

Their previous post stated noon pst.

Yet another twist is coming...
 
2013-01-17 02:08:56 PM

Donnchadha: CADMonkey79: Yay everybody, its the guy who likes to shame everyone for having a fun discussion speculating on the circumstances of a really bizarre story.

I'm not saying you can't hypothesize, but just make sure that your hypothesis actually fits the data instead of coming up with a conclusion, cherry picking reports that support your idea and then claiming that contrary reports are inaccurate journalism or ESPN trying to squelch the story and you know the REAL truth that the media isn't reporting.


Well some of the truths we know are:

1.  The University knew about this since at least Dec. 26 according to the AD
2.  ESPN sat on this news since the 6th, according to ESPN.  Which coincidentally is the day before the national championship game, which they broadcast.
3.  Cake is delicious.
 
2013-01-17 02:09:59 PM

FinFangFark: LucklessWonder: babysealclubber: ExperianScaresCthulhu: - Money, gifts, notoriety and feeling loved/important? (the Total Farker who fled to Reddit)

You keep bringing this up. Who the hell are you referencing?

I'm guessing LittleRedJug or GrablesDaughter, but that's pure speculation.

Pancake run?


Extra syrup!
 
2013-01-17 02:10:41 PM
SVP on ESPNradio is giving credit to this on his show right now to Bubbaprog - a Farker. Pretty cool.
 
2013-01-17 02:11:14 PM

FinFangFark: Donnchadha: CADMonkey79: Yay everybody, its the guy who likes to shame everyone for having a fun discussion speculating on the circumstances of a really bizarre story.

I'm not saying you can't hypothesize, but just make sure that your hypothesis actually fits the data instead of coming up with a conclusion, cherry picking reports that support your idea and then claiming that contrary reports are inaccurate journalism or ESPN trying to squelch the story and you know the REAL truth that the media isn't reporting.

Well some of the truths we know are:

1.  The University knew about this since at least Dec. 26 according to the AD
2.  ESPN sat on this news since the 6th, according to ESPN.  Which coincidentally is the day before the national championship game, which they broadcast.
3.  Cake is delicious.


ESPN really knew since the 6th? Where did they admit to that. fark ESPN
 
2013-01-17 02:11:40 PM
 
2013-01-17 02:11:58 PM

legendary: [i.imgur.com image 400x400]

Already tired of this story.


Yes, you're so tired of it you have to post a JPG of how tired you are of it every time it comes up.
 
2013-01-17 02:13:53 PM

wiwille: Lost Thought 00: wiwille: I can't understand why most of the media reporting on this is missing this obvious detail.

The answer is simple. Notre Dame has told the various outlets, including ESPN, that if they don't go along with their official explanation, they will cut them off from all access to the university and their students and employees. This is why Te'o is giving an interview today only to ESPN, so they can control the message and not open this up to general questioning

[it's a conspiracy image]


Well yeah, it IS a conspiracy. Conspiracy in fact, not theory. You're stupid if you don't see it.
 
2013-01-17 02:14:14 PM

Frozboz: SVP on ESPNradio is giving credit to this on his show right now to Bubbaprog - a Farker. Pretty cool.


Why?
 
2013-01-17 02:15:28 PM

mjones73: Stay posted...

@LennayKay - I will be releasing a statement, via twitter, between 11am and noon today.

Their previous post stated noon pst.

Yet another twist is coming...


IT WAS FARKING M NIGHT SHAMALYAN!????!?
 
rka
2013-01-17 02:15:33 PM

halfof33: Frozboz: SVP on ESPNradio is giving credit to this on his show right now to Bubbaprog - a Farker. Pretty cool.

Why?


Because he's one of the Deadspin writers who broke the story yesterday.
 
2013-01-17 02:17:48 PM

thecpt: mjones73: Stay posted...

@LennayKay - I will be releasing a statement, via twitter, between 11am and noon today.

Their previous post stated noon pst.

Yet another twist is coming...

IT WAS FARKING M NIGHT SHAMALYAN!????!?


He can see dead people.
 
2013-01-17 02:17:59 PM

FinFangFark: 2. ESPN sat on this news since the 6th, according to ESPN. Which coincidentally is the day before the national championship game, which they broadcast.


I'm not saying it didn't happen, but I haven't seen anybody claiming this. Te'o was at the ESPN award show on December 6th when he got the call from the dead girlfriend -- that's the only connection I can see to this claim so far.

So... [citation needed], if you don't mind.
 
2013-01-17 02:18:19 PM

rka: halfof33: Frozboz: SVP on ESPNradio is giving credit to this on his show right now to Bubbaprog - a Farker. Pretty cool.

Why?

Because he's one of the Deadspin writers who broke the story yesterday.


You see, I didn't know that. Thank you for your response.
 
2013-01-17 02:18:27 PM
blogs.telegraph.co.uk
I am Lennay Kekua!
 
2013-01-17 02:18:53 PM

mjones73: thecpt: mjones73: Stay posted...

@LennayKay - I will be releasing a statement, via twitter, between 11am and noon today.

Their previous post stated noon pst.

Yet another twist is coming...

IT WAS FARKING M NIGHT SHAMALYAN!????!?

He can see dead people.


He was dead the whole time
 
2013-01-17 02:19:09 PM
Hey, I found all of the missing consonants.

"Chrt zdrhl z Brd. Vtrhl skrz strž v tvrz srn, v čtvrť Krč. Blb! Prskl, zvrhl smrk, strhl drn, mrskl drn v trs chrp. Zhltl čtvrthrst zrn * skrz krk, pln zrn vsrkl hlt z vln. Chrt brkl, mrkl, zmlkl. Zvlhls?"

/it's czech
 
2013-01-17 02:20:14 PM

halfof33: Frozboz: SVP on ESPNradio is giving credit to this on his show right now to Bubbaprog - a Farker. Pretty cool.

Why?


Why is he giving credit? SVP's giving credit (partially, anyway) because Bubbaprog "blew the story wide open" along with the Deadspin writer. Fire up ESPNRadio's live player. Rewind to 2:05:30-2:06:30 or so (EST) if you want to hear it yourself. He also uses his real name too. No, I don't know if he's right or not, just cool hearing about a Farker there.
 
2013-01-17 02:20:43 PM
It's really sad how this story blew up but the Notre Dame rape scandal was more or less back page news.
 
2013-01-17 02:23:31 PM
i63.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-17 02:26:44 PM
This story is delicious. To hell with ND. Put me in the camp who thinks he's gay and this is all cover-up.
 
2013-01-17 02:28:31 PM

Frozboz: halfof33: Frozboz: SVP on ESPNradio is giving credit to this on his show right now to Bubbaprog - a Farker. Pretty cool.

Why?

Why is he giving credit? SVP's giving credit (partially, anyway) because Bubbaprog "blew the story wide open" along with the Deadspin writer. Fire up ESPNRadio's live player. Rewind to 2:05:30-2:06:30 or so (EST) if you want to hear it yourself. He also uses his real name too. No, I don't know if he's right or not, just cool hearing about a Farker there.


bubbaprog IS a Deadspin writer/editor. Read the original link (further down the Sports page here) and bubbaprog's Fark profile, linking to his Twitter.
 
2013-01-17 02:28:35 PM

Donnchadha: mjones73: thecpt: mjones73: Stay posted...

@LennayKay - I will be releasing a statement, via twitter, between 11am and noon today.

Their previous post stated noon pst.

Yet another twist is coming...

IT WAS FARKING M NIGHT SHAMALYAN!????!?

He can see dead people.

He was dead the whole time


spoiler alert!
/got nothing
 
2013-01-17 02:29:49 PM
Wait...what if he is her and he controlled both of the twitter accounts?
 
2013-01-17 02:29:58 PM
www.memecreator.org
 
2013-01-17 02:34:22 PM
Here is the promised statement from the LennayKay Twitter account...

My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is not real.

Link
 
2013-01-17 02:36:57 PM
Oh good grief.
 
2013-01-17 02:37:01 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
/obscure?
 
2013-01-17 02:37:54 PM
L K @LennayKay

My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is not real.
 
2013-01-17 02:38:37 PM

srhp29: Here is the promised statement from the LennayKay Twitter account...

My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is not real.

Link


Maximumtrolling.jpg
/love it
 
2013-01-17 02:39:04 PM

srhp29: Here is the promised statement from the LennayKay Twitter account...

My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is not real.

Link


That's simply awesome.
 
2013-01-17 02:39:28 PM

srhp29: Here is the promised statement from the LennayKay Twitter account...

My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is not real.

Link


My god this is getting surreal.

I mean, I don't care about this story, but...I still...do?
 
2013-01-17 02:41:47 PM
This is a better story than the actual National Championship game.
 
2013-01-17 02:42:07 PM
OH SNAP
 
2013-01-17 02:42:24 PM

desertgeek: bubbaprog IS a Deadspin writer/editor. Read the original link (further down the Sports page here) and bubbaprog's Fark profile, linking to his Twitter.


Yeah, I wasn't sure about that, I was just relaying what SVP said. He made the two sound separate. Thanks for the correction.
 
2013-01-17 02:42:50 PM

FLMountainMan: This is a better story than the actual National Championship game.


uh yeah... that one wasn't hard to top.
 
2013-01-17 02:46:02 PM

FLMountainMan: This is a better story than the actual National Championship game.


Me taking a dump this morning was a better story then the national championship game...
 
2013-01-17 02:46:13 PM
I'm so glad that Notre Dame has its priorities straight:

Notre Dame's real dead woman
 
2013-01-17 02:52:31 PM

KiwDaWabbit: I'm so glad that Notre Dame has its priorities straight:

Notre Dame's real dead woman


That's because suicide is a mortal sin in the eyes of Catholics.
 
2013-01-17 02:52:41 PM
The Twitter account is fake: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/1/17/3885600/lennaykay-t witter-manti-teo
 
2013-01-17 02:55:13 PM
L K @LennayKay: Manti Te'o's boyfriend tastes like Honey Nut Cheerios
 
2013-01-17 02:55:49 PM

Donnchadha: CADMonkey79: Yay everybody, its the guy who likes to shame everyone for having a fun discussion speculating on the circumstances of a really bizarre story.

I'm not saying you can't hypothesize, but just make sure that your hypothesis actually fits the data instead of coming up with a conclusion, cherry picking reports that support your idea and then claiming that contrary reports are inaccurate journalism or ESPN trying to squelch the story and you know the REAL truth that the media isn't reporting.


I don't think anyone is going to take it quite that seriously. We are just losers in a fark thread, not journalists. I think people are so interested because we all got duped as part of the hoax.
 
2013-01-17 02:56:08 PM

bluedevil: srhp29: Here is the promised statement from the LennayKay Twitter account...

My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is not real.

Link

Maximumtrolling.jpg
/love it


It would certainly seem to lean towards the "Manti got fooled" school of thought. I'm pretty sure that's not a face-saving tweet by Manti or a friend...

In fact, it sounds exactly like any of the myriad college aged assholes I've dealt with.
 
2013-01-17 02:59:13 PM

Tsar_Bomba1: I was just talking to my girlfriend about this!!!
[images.hollywoodpix.net image 449x600]


Outstanding! Will LOL again in the future.
 
2013-01-17 03:03:30 PM

ha-ha-guy: The Twitter account is fake: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/1/17/3885600/lennaykay-t witter-manti-teo


uhhhhhh...every Twitter account associated with this person who did not exist has been fake by definition.
 
2013-01-17 03:04:45 PM

ha-ha-guy: The Twitter account is fake: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/1/17/3885600/lennaykay-t witter-manti-teo


That link you posted goes nowhere either.
 
2013-01-17 03:11:55 PM

srhp29: ha-ha-guy: The Twitter account is fake: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/1/17/3885600/lennaykay-t witter-manti-teo

That link you posted goes nowhere either.


Remove the spaces that Fark put in it. The account was created on 16 Jan and then retweeted old tweets to appear to have a history. Thus the controller of this account may not be the controller of the old fake account.
 
2013-01-17 03:11:55 PM

Soonerpsycho: [soonerpsycho.com image 474x350]


That may have been the funniest thing I've seen on Fark in a year.

+eleventy
 
2013-01-17 03:19:07 PM

srhp29: ha-ha-guy: The Twitter account is fake: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/1/17/3885600/lennaykay-t witter-manti-teo

That link you posted goes nowhere either.


Works fine for me
 
2013-01-17 03:20:31 PM
Manti Te'o should talk to Tim Tebow and help him realize his dead boyfriend Jesus was also fake.
 
2013-01-17 03:20:53 PM

srhp29: ha-ha-guy: The Twitter account is fake: http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/1/17/3885600/lennaykay-t witter-manti-teo

That link you posted goes nowhere either.


Fark inserts a space in long links for some reason. Just delete the space in "t witter" and it works.
 
2013-01-17 03:29:11 PM
Most of your other points are valid, I would agree. I would probably join you in making fun of ND for much of their backward thinking if we were having a beer together. (Although, the Catholics are one of the mainstream Christian religions that has finally come on-board with evolution, by Papal decree - so, again, like with this rule for the LGBT group, they're not all bad. Most of the other mainstream Christian religions still can't understand the difference between evolution and abiogenesis, or what the 2nd-Law means, or that you don't use Carbon-14 dating to date rocks (heard this one in person, from someone with an advanced science degree from a California university, no less - But, let's keep those stereotypes going about us conservative Texans!)). That is why I just singled out this one point. Their policy, itself, was not unfair.

While I don't have a copy, and I got this from a third party, I believe it to be from the ND student code of conduct handbook: regarding sex - "genuine and complete expression of love" that requires "a commitment to a total living and sharing together of two persons in marriage." Those found in violation of this policy could be subject to suspension or permanent dismissal.

You don't even have to be involved in an on-campus group for this rule to apply to you, just a student, in general.

So, yes. They are not holding the LGBT group to any higher standard than the general population. This fact is lost in just about every article that pops up about the ND LGBT group you mentioned. When people are so emotionally attached to a cause, they often overlook logic. Everyone knows that ND is "anti-gay", so any policy they have for gays must be "unfair"! But, not the case.

BYU has similar "morality" codes for its general population, as well.

Now, I am sure that the rule would be enforced unfairly, but that is a different discussion, entirely. Sodomy laws come to mind.

Take care.
 
2013-01-17 03:29:51 PM
He couldn't just hire an escort to pass of his girlfriend like most "forever alone"-type dudes do?
 
2013-01-17 03:30:16 PM
I'm not sure I believe the "he's gay" angle.

It's possible, but, as others have pointed out, it would be much easier to have his pick of hotties who would date him while maintaining his moral code.

It's way easier to believe he got scammed, realized it at an early point, then kept the lie going because of all the pub, pressure from ND, and all the sympathy he could reap come awards time.
 
2013-01-17 03:35:13 PM

oh_please: I'm not sure I believe the "he's gay" angle.

It's possible, but, as others have pointed out, it would be much easier to have his pick of hotties who would date him while maintaining his moral code.

It's way easier to believe he got scammed, realized it at an early point, then kept the lie going because of all the pub, pressure from ND, and all the sympathy he could reap come awards time.


I think your scenario is the most likely, however it's not a popular theory because it doesn't make him look like a total idiot or a total scumbag. I still think it's an absolute joke that he won any award over Jarvis Jones
 
2013-01-17 03:52:20 PM
Um, from just about every article about this, including:

Link

Their stares got pleasantly tangled, then Manti Te'o extended his hand to the stranger with a warm smile and soulful eyes. They could have just as easily brushed past each other and into separate sunsets.

Lennay Kekua was a Stanford student and Cardinal football fan when the two exchanged glances, handshakes and phone numbers that fateful weekend three seasons ago.

"They started out as just friends," Brian Te'o said. "Every once in a while, she would travel to Hawaii, and that happened to be the time Manti was home, so he would meet with her there. But within the last year, they became a couple.
 
2013-01-17 03:57:23 PM
www.jimpoz.com

You gonna get Catfished
 
2013-01-17 04:06:16 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Picture Ims/Netmeetings/Skype video conferencing can be faked in real time. Adult Chat Hos have been using (and perfecting) the technology for like 15 years, man. A phone call don't mean shiat. Meetings don't have to mean shiat. A skype meeting doesn't mean shiat either.

I think we found Manti Te'o's Fark handle
 
2013-01-17 04:10:53 PM

FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Picture Ims/Netmeetings/Skype video conferencing can be faked in real time. Adult Chat Hos have been using (and perfecting) the technology for like 15 years, man. A phone call don't mean shiat. Meetings don't have to mean shiat. A skype meeting doesn't mean shiat either.

I think we found Manti Te'o's Fark handle


Your post doesn't mean shiat!
 
2013-01-17 04:13:31 PM

bikerific: Um, from just about every article about this, including:

Link

Their stares got pleasantly tangled, then Manti Te'o extended his hand to the stranger with a warm smile and soulful eyes. They could have just as easily brushed past each other and into separate sunsets.

Lennay Kekua was a Stanford student and Cardinal football fan when the two exchanged glances, handshakes and phone numbers that fateful weekend three seasons ago.

"They started out as just friends," Brian Te'o said. "Every once in a while, she would travel to Hawaii, and that happened to be the time Manti was home, so he would meet with her there. But within the last year, they became a couple.


No father talks that way about some girl his son has only chatted with online. Daddy has got to be in on it too.
 
2013-01-17 04:18:08 PM

CADMonkey79: FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Picture Ims/Netmeetings/Skype video conferencing can be faked in real time. Adult Chat Hos have been using (and perfecting) the technology for like 15 years, man. A phone call don't mean shiat. Meetings don't have to mean shiat. A skype meeting doesn't mean shiat either.

I think we found Manti Te'o's Fark handle

Your post doesn't mean shiat!


This whole system doesn't mean shiat!
 
2013-01-17 04:18:53 PM

robsul82: CADMonkey79: FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Picture Ims/Netmeetings/Skype video conferencing can be faked in real time. Adult Chat Hos have been using (and perfecting) the technology for like 15 years, man. A phone call don't mean shiat. Meetings don't have to mean shiat. A skype meeting doesn't mean shiat either.

I think we found Manti Te'o's Fark handle

Your post doesn't mean shiat!

This whole system doesn't mean shiat!


shiat doesn't mean shiat!
 
2013-01-17 04:19:16 PM
"...LGBT students means never having any kind of sexual or even romantic contact with someone they're attracted to..."

Well, I guess if you said that the two LGBTers wanted to get married while one or both of them were still enrolled at ND, then we would have a problem, and in that regard, there would be a problem with equality of the rule as Indiana doesn't allow gay marriage, I don't believe, nor would ND recognize the marriage as legitimate even if Indiana did, and even if it did acknowledge the marriage, it would not acknowledge the sex. So, for a LGBT student wishing to get married and have the gay hole-filling sex like but unlike the other married heterosexual ND students, we do have a serious discrepancy.

But, for the average student, and as a general policy, they DO promote chastity for the entire student population. The fact that it would be enforced differently I take as a given, and a separate and valid injustice. Again, I'm no ND apologist.

But, you do bring up a good point. There could be some heterosexual ND students that are married, and get to have sexish behaviors under the condoning eye of the college. Nasty. And, then you could have a LGBTer that WANTED to get married but weren't allowed and have some sex that is not allowed. So, from this standpoint, for this fringe venn-subset of the ND population, the promotion of chastity would be unfair as the policy would condone the sexual acts of one student while still punishing the other.

Of course, none of these rules apply after graduation. They don't revoke your diploma. So, you have to promote chastity, like all the other students do, while you're at the campus. Your take on "never" and mine don't mesh. They may have to tounge-in cheek promote the concept for four years, but no longer than that.

And, if you say that they shouldn't have to promote something they don't believe in, well...I guess. But, there are other colleges. And, do you believe that the other 30,000 (just a population guess, don't kill me over that one...) heterosexual students actually believe in the chastity program as depicted by an earlier poster? Or, do you think they sign their code with their fingers crossed, as well? If the LGBTers shouldn't have to promote it, neither should the heteros. If the heteros should not have to either, then we are talking about ND right to even HAVE a code of conduct policy. They are a private school, so I think they get to do that. Even if I or some of their students want to go there, but don't like the policy.

But, for the majority of the population, we're picking nits. No sex until marriage. And, even then, only certain kinds. Thems the rules, man, for EVERYONE.

I will flat out admit that in the venn-diagram mentioned above, the college is clearly still on the wrong side of things, but I will still argue that simply crying that the LGBT have to adhere to a sexual chastity code that the heteros also have to adhere to is discriminatory is, well, at least a little bit disingenuous.

We started off talking about chastity...but that quickly morphs in the the right to "marry" and "sodomy"...and NDs leg it's standing on gets wobbly.

I am going to pull my rip cord on that one and parachute out of this discussion for that reason.

Take care.
 
2013-01-17 04:28:38 PM

robsul82: CADMonkey79: FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Picture Ims/Netmeetings/Skype video conferencing can be faked in real time. Adult Chat Hos have been using (and perfecting) the technology for like 15 years, man. A phone call don't mean shiat. Meetings don't have to mean shiat. A skype meeting doesn't mean shiat either.

I think we found Manti Te'o's Fark handle

Your post doesn't mean shiat!

This whole system doesn't mean shiat!


I'm out of order? YOU'RE out of order! THE WHOLE STORY IS OUT OF ORDER!
 
2013-01-17 04:33:20 PM

oh_please: robsul82: CADMonkey79: FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Picture Ims/Netmeetings/Skype video conferencing can be faked in real time. Adult Chat Hos have been using (and perfecting) the technology for like 15 years, man. A phone call don't mean shiat. Meetings don't have to mean shiat. A skype meeting doesn't mean shiat either.

I think we found Manti Te'o's Fark handle

Your post doesn't mean shiat!

This whole system doesn't mean shiat!

I'm out of order? YOU'RE out of order! THE WHOLE STORY IS OUT OF ORDER!


YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
 
2013-01-17 04:36:23 PM

Bunny Deville: robsul82: CADMonkey79: FraggleStickCar: ExperianScaresCthulhu: ExperianScaresCthulhu:
Picture Ims/Netmeetings/Skype video conferencing can be faked in real time. Adult Chat Hos have been using (and perfecting) the technology for like 15 years, man. A phone call don't mean shiat. Meetings don't have to mean shiat. A skype meeting doesn't mean shiat either.

I think we found Manti Te'o's Fark handle

Your post doesn't mean shiat!

This whole system doesn't mean shiat!

shiat doesn't mean shiat!


blogs.orlandosentinel.com

I take this shiat serious!
 
2013-01-17 04:49:30 PM
I don't get why people think this makes him gay. Why wouldn't he just get a beard? More likely this whole thing started small, got out of hand and he didn't know how to get out of it, so he 'killed' her off.  Weird.
 
2013-01-17 05:00:26 PM
Manti Teo doesn't masturbate. He merely strokes the back of his girlfriend's head.
 
2013-01-17 05:05:44 PM
I don't think it makes him gay, but it's one logical explanation and it serves a purpose, that purpose being self-preservation.

We don't know just yet, as this story will continue to evolve.

Maybe the bigger story (aside from the rape scandal, which I have now posted about three times) is how that it took the sports media over five months to break it and how ESPN is almost to the point where they are to sports what MTV is to music.
 
2013-01-17 05:11:13 PM
I like that the immediate assumption is that he's gay. I thought the hype for this kid was a joke, but my God this is getting weird.

I guess Manti Te'o has been chosen for harvest this year.

Rectus! Hoc honebus!
 
2013-01-17 05:14:53 PM

Ow! That was my feelings!: I don't get why people think this makes him gay. Why wouldn't he just get a beard? More likely this whole thing started small, got out of hand and he didn't know how to get out of it, so he 'killed' her off.  Weird.


His being gay seemed like a reasonable explanation to an unreasonable set of facts (at least, at first). But the more I think about it, the less sense it seems to make. For instance, he could have found a nice, observant Mormon girl who adhered strictly to chastity before marriage, and she needn't even know, thus eliminating the risks from having a beard who might out him as well as questions about the lack of sex. (Of course, he may simply be too nice a guy to deceive a girl like that.)

But frankly, nothing about this story makes much sense, and the more details that come out, the less sense it makes. For example, none of the proposed explanations account for the fact that his imaginary dead girlfriend later developed an imaginary sister. How does that help anything in any of these scenarios?

Maybe Ronaiah Tuiasosopo had a desperate need to be close to college football stars, so he used a female proxy? Maybe he was jealous of Te'o and his football career, and this whole thing was set up to humiliate him? Beats me; but the more details we learn, the more the glib "he's gay" explanation seems to lose its appeal.
 
2013-01-17 05:15:50 PM

puffy999: I like that the immediate assumption is that he's gay. I thought the hype for this kid was a joke, but my God this is getting weird.

I guess Manti Te'o has been chosen for harvest this year.

Rectus! Hoc honebus!


I thought the gay thing was just one of the many theories rather than an immediate assumption.
 
2013-01-17 05:19:26 PM
What this story demonstrates above all is the total gullibility of the media. Whether it be sport, politics, business, economics, or entertainment reporters these days DO NOT investigate or question the source. They simply parrot whatever they are told.

The guy was a jock, the big man on campus. Co-eds were throwing themselves at his feet yet he was content with a girlfriend whom he never met in the flesh. What jock do you know who is satisfied with an online relationship under those circumstances? I'm leaning towards a very closeted Mormon at a homophobic Catholic college. Its a double whammy and he won't come clean today or ever.
 
2013-01-17 05:20:28 PM
So how does he play this:

1-I'm dumber than dead dog shiat.
2-I'm a really bad liar.
3-I'm a delusional loser.
4-I'm desperate gay man.
5-I like cashews.
 
2013-01-17 05:22:10 PM
I have an entirely new theory. Are you ready for it? This is mind blowing. Manti Te'o and the guy who ran the fake girlfriend internet image were gay lovers. To stop people from asking about his lack of a girlfriend at college, they set up the fake person. Then when it started to get noticed, and people started getting interested in her, they had to kill her off. It just got out of hand.
 
2013-01-17 05:22:56 PM
I don't farking get it. I just woke up to this story an hour ago. They're saying she's fake, but people say they know she's real... wtf? Anybody know anything more?
 
2013-01-17 05:23:49 PM

srhp29: I thought the gay thing was just one of the many theories rather than an immediate assumption.


Seems that an awful lot of people have jumped on it.

And I mean, I'd call it much closer to an assumption than a theory, myself, but that's semantics.
 
2013-01-17 05:24:10 PM

T-Boy: I have an entirely new theory. Are you ready for it? This is mind blowing. Manti Te'o and the guy who ran the fake girlfriend internet image were gay lovers. To stop people from asking about his lack of a girlfriend at college, they set up the fake person. Then when it started to get noticed, and people started getting interested in her, they had to kill her off. It just got out of hand.


T-Boy: I have an entirely new theory. Are you ready for it? This is mind blowing. Manti Te'o and the guy who ran the fake girlfriend internet image were gay lovers. To stop people from asking about his lack of a girlfriend at college, they set up the fake person. Then when it started to get noticed, and people started getting interested in her, they had to kill her off. It just got out of hand.


I saw Herbstiert do that piece on ESPN Game Day.
 
2013-01-17 05:25:44 PM
According to the AD, he learns she's a fraud on December 6...but voluntarily brings her up to Chris Fowler on December 8. WTF?
 
2013-01-17 05:27:55 PM
Ok so they need to go back and check out the chick who "provided the photo". She knew them all.
 
2013-01-17 05:32:11 PM
What have I missed?
 
2013-01-17 05:33:38 PM

Lennay Kekua: What have I missed?


Best alt since Koman Coulibaly.
 
2013-01-17 05:35:30 PM

Lennay Kekua: What have I missed?


Your funeral.
 
2013-01-17 05:36:55 PM

Lennay Kekua: What have I missed?


Goddammit I was so worried about you
 
2013-01-17 05:43:01 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: I don't farking get it. I just woke up to this story an hour ago. They're saying she's fake, but people say they know she's real... wtf? Anybody know anything more?


IMHbuttrustingstupidO the friend and this chick conned the naive football player into believing the girlfriend was real. Then faked death to get out if it.

I've seen that crap happen on FARK. By AWs that didn't die but "went to jail" and came back as totally different people just to get ego boosts or cash and prizes. Some of the dudes here totally fell for it and continue to just to get boobies in their email. You can rationalize a lot for boobies.
 
2013-01-17 05:48:25 PM

gambitsgirl: buttrustingstupid


I follow and concur with the rest of your post, but what is buttrusting? That just sounds awful...maybe I don't want to know.
 
2013-01-17 05:51:01 PM

thecpt: gambitsgirl: buttrustingstupid

I follow and concur with the rest of your post, but what is buttrusting? That just sounds awful...maybe I don't want to know.


In my honest but trusting stupid opinion

Squished together it appears there's some butt rusting going on. But there is not. Much.
 
2013-01-17 06:03:05 PM

PowerSlacker: According to the AD, he learns she's a fraud on December 6...but voluntarily brings her up to Chris Fowler on December 8. WTF?


In his speech this morning I heard 26th but I was half asleep
 
2013-01-17 06:06:31 PM

gambitsgirl: PowerSlacker: According to the AD, he learns she's a fraud on December 6...but voluntarily brings her up to Chris Fowler on December 8. WTF?

In his speech this morning I heard 26th but I was half asleep


That's when ND Administration found out about the fraud, the 26th. Manti "found out" Dec. 6. when the dead chick called him.
 
2013-01-17 06:07:47 PM
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LEAVE MANTI TE'O ALONE
 
2013-01-17 06:10:49 PM
Now a former teammate says Te'o liked the attention.

The teammate portrayed the move as part of the All-American's personality, telling ESPN that Te'o liked attention so much that he would sometimes point himself out to friends when he was on television.

I think that if Te'o was involved (and it would be quite an upset if he wasn't), this may put "being an attention whore" has a slight favorite over "hiding his sexuality" in the motive for this hoax.

/Of course, it could always be C) All of the above
 
2013-01-17 06:11:05 PM

srhp29: gambitsgirl: PowerSlacker: According to the AD, he learns she's a fraud on December 6...but voluntarily brings her up to Chris Fowler on December 8. WTF?

In his speech this morning I heard 26th but I was half asleep

That's when ND Administration found out about the fraud, the 26th. Manti "found out" Dec. 6. when the dead chick called him.


Ok I need to wake up more before listening. I thought he'd called the AD right after she called him. Like I said this shots in at 6am so I'm about 43% brain function then.
 
2013-01-17 06:12:42 PM
^^^^ and I don't make much sense at 6:12 pm either o.O
 
2013-01-17 06:13:22 PM

gambitsgirl: srhp29: gambitsgirl: PowerSlacker: According to the AD, he learns she's a fraud on December 6...but voluntarily brings her up to Chris Fowler on December 8. WTF?

In his speech this morning I heard 26th but I was half asleep

That's when ND Administration found out about the fraud, the 26th. Manti "found out" Dec. 6. when the dead chick called him.

Ok I need to wake up more before listening. I thought he'd called the AD right after she called him. Like I said this shots in at 6am so I'm about 43% brain function then.


That's what I thought too.  It didn't help that Swarbrick sputtered through the entire press conference like someone who couldn't keep a story straight.
 
2013-01-17 06:14:36 PM

The Slush: gambitsgirl: srhp29: gambitsgirl: PowerSlacker: According to the AD, he learns she's a fraud on December 6...but voluntarily brings her up to Chris Fowler on December 8. WTF?

In his speech this morning I heard 26th but I was half asleep

That's when ND Administration found out about the fraud, the 26th. Manti "found out" Dec. 6. when the dead chick called him.

Ok I need to wake up more before listening. I thought he'd called the AD right after she called him. Like I said this shots in at 6am so I'm about 43% brain function then.

That's what I thought too.  It didn't help that Swarbrick sputtered through the entire press conference like someone who couldn't keep a story straight.


This is why I try to consume the news for about 12 hours and then wander away and look again after everyone slugs it out.
 
2013-01-17 06:16:33 PM

gambitsgirl: This is why I try to consume the news for about 12 hours and then wander away and look again after everyone slugs it out.


That's the problem with this story. I stepped away from it for a few hours last night and was more confused by it when I caught up.
 
2013-01-17 06:19:23 PM

desertgeek: Now a former teammate says Te'o liked the attention.

The teammate portrayed the move as part of the All-American's personality, telling ESPN that Te'o liked attention so much that he would sometimes point himself out to friends when he was on television.

I think that if Te'o was involved (and it would be quite an upset if he wasn't), this may put "being an attention whore" has a slight favorite over "hiding his sexuality" in the motive for this hoax.

/Of course, it could always be C) All of the above


That's what I figured as well. Why else would he "kill" his girlfriend right after his grandmother?
 
2013-01-17 06:20:41 PM

desertgeek: gambitsgirl: This is why I try to consume the news for about 12 hours and then wander away and look again after everyone slugs it out.

That's the problem with this story. I stepped away from it for a few hours last night and was more confused by it when I caught up.


It'll be a few days but the NFL people's will work this shiat out
 
2013-01-17 06:21:42 PM
She was real, and all of this is an elaborate ruse to cover the fact he murdered her.
 
2013-01-17 06:29:49 PM

Lost Thought 00: She was real, and all of this is an elaborate ruse to cover the fact he murdered her.


Does Glenn Beck have an alibi? Just asking questions.
 
2013-01-17 06:38:26 PM

Lunchlady: desertgeek: Now a former teammate says Te'o liked the attention.

The teammate portrayed the move as part of the All-American's personality, telling ESPN that Te'o liked attention so much that he would sometimes point himself out to friends when he was on television.

I think that if Te'o was involved (and it would be quite an upset if he wasn't), this may put "being an attention whore" has a slight favorite over "hiding his sexuality" in the motive for this hoax.

/Of course, it could always be C) All of the above

That's what I figured as well. Why else would he "kill" his girlfriend right after his grandmother?


That is EXACTLY why I am prone to believe he was not part of that part of it. I believe at some point he found out and continued to lie about it, but that would be such a disrespect to his grandmother's memory if he decided to throw in a fake dead girl that day too.

Not saying in the end he wasn't involved but that is the one key that leans me to think he found out later and was genuinely duped but then continued to play it up.
 
2013-01-17 06:44:54 PM
I don't think you people really understand how delicious cashews are
 
2013-01-17 07:03:22 PM
This nonsense is getting out of hand.

i624.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-17 07:09:06 PM
25.media.tumblr.com

I'll never forget that one night, when I was preparing my next game, and we surrendered to temptation...and it was pretty good.
 
2013-01-17 07:17:13 PM

ha-ha-guy: FinFangFark: He's either a conman or just epically stupid.

That's the beauty of this. Te'o is:

1. The dumbest farking person on the planet (sup Notre Dame admission standards)
2. A soulless con man.
3. Covering up the fact he's gay.

I'm going with #3 considering how Samoan culture, Mormonism, the NFL, and the Catholic Church view homosexuality. Plus if that was the case, his boyfriend was a pastor.

/also if it is #3, Te'o has to be farked up in the head


He's a linebacker, of COURSE he is farked up in the head. It is part of the job description. See: Ray Lewis, Jovan Belcher, Junior Seau, et al.

/Yeah..I'm trollin'
 
2013-01-17 07:17:55 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: ha-ha-guy: FinFangFark: He's either a conman or just epically stupid.

That's the beauty of this. Te'o is:

1. The dumbest farking person on the planet (sup Notre Dame admission standards)
2. A soulless con man.
3. Covering up the fact he's gay.

I'm going with #3 considering how Samoan culture, Mormonism, the NFL, and the Catholic Church view homosexuality. Plus if that was the case, his boyfriend was a pastor.

/also if it is #3, Te'o has to be farked up in the head

He's a linebacker, of COURSE he is farked up in the head. It is part of the job description. See: Ray Lewis, Jovan Belcher, Junior Seau, et al.

/Yeah..I'm trollin'


'Twas a mighty fine troll if I say so myself.
 
2013-01-17 07:20:22 PM
Ghey!
 
2013-01-17 07:29:47 PM
This is awesome

i637.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-17 07:36:55 PM
boston.3432.voxcdn.com
 
2013-01-17 07:57:35 PM
So now that I've read all 460-some-odd posts on this thread, and seen it mentioned in numerous places with almost no idea what the hell is going on...

What's the cliff's notes version? I mean, what actually happened that kicked this entire bullshiat storyline off in the first place?

As far as I've been able to tell, "nothing".
 
2013-01-17 08:04:11 PM
OK, now that I've read the 'story'....it's that there are some folks involved in college sports, players and coaches alike, and some folks in the 'media'...that are liars.

Bowl me over with a feather.

Sports media would run with a 'less than true' story for *airtime* and clicks? THE HELL YOU SAY.

Crom's bones. How the hell is this even a thing?
 
2013-01-17 08:07:12 PM

xaks: So now that I've read all 460-some-odd posts on this thread, and seen it mentioned in numerous places with almost no idea what the hell is going on...

What's the cliff's notes version? I mean, what actually happened that kicked this entire bullshiat storyline off in the first place?

As far as I've been able to tell, "nothing".


Last week Deadspin received an email from a female saying the Te'o story was a fraud.  They sat on it for a few days, and then after looking in to it, found it out there were no records of the girl, then they compiled a timeline of everything, while researching the Twitter acct.
 
2013-01-17 08:09:21 PM
Stupid polypnesians
 
2013-01-17 08:11:24 PM

xaks: So now that I've read all 460-some-odd posts on this thread, and seen it mentioned in numerous places with almost no idea what the hell is going on...

What's the cliff's notes version? I mean, what actually happened that kicked this entire bullshiat storyline off in the first place?

As far as I've been able to tell, "nothing".


Best synopsis I've read

Link
 
2013-01-17 08:12:26 PM

srhp29: Here is the promised statement from the LennayKay Twitter account...

My statement: This is incredibly embarrassing to talk about, but I have been told by Alabama's offense that Manti Te'o is not real.

Link


That tweet was funnier when Frank Caliendo did it, yesterday.
 
2013-01-17 08:31:29 PM
Everyone needs to read the deadspin article....they broke this story. No way you can come away from that feeling he wasn't involved. A few things I have seen mentioned elsewhere. Even if he didn't go to her funeral because she asked him not to, why would have not talked to her family or gone to her grave site after the game? That was supposedly in September, she was the love of his life. Supposedly he sent white roses to her funeral, does he have a receipt, did the floral company not call him back and says there is no funeral to take this to?
 
2013-01-17 08:36:35 PM
How To Tell If Your Friend's Girlfriend Is Not Real

//If your friend's girlfriend lives through a horrific car crash that leaves her "on the brink of death" and your friend doesn't carve out a day to visit her...

is200.imagesocket.com
 
2013-01-17 08:47:38 PM
Can someone tell me WHY this is news and not an episode of Catfish? Was there a murder? Drug deal? Did I miss something?
 
2013-01-17 08:48:12 PM

roflmaonow: This is awesome

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Holy... that is pretty farkin' awesome. lulz.
 
2013-01-17 09:08:09 PM

Incorrigible Astronaut: [25.media.tumblr.com image 455x382]


Literally loled. Well done.

Sure does make that Lou Holtz speech about "They are living a lie" seem even funnier
 
2013-01-17 09:12:23 PM

CADMonkey79: Everyone needs to read the deadspin article....they broke this story. No way you can come away from that feeling he wasn't involved. A few things I have seen mentioned elsewhere. Even if he didn't go to her funeral because she asked him not to, why would have not talked to her family or gone to her grave site after the game? That was supposedly in September, she was the love of his life. Supposedly he sent white roses to her funeral, does he have a receipt, did the floral company not call him back and says there is no funeral to take this to?


you have to read the sports illustrated article too, blows his official response out of the water

that none of his teammates believed this "person" was his girlfriend, and that he was just using the story because he loves attention and wanted publicity? i mean that's pretty damning by itself, much less the whole fake person
 
2013-01-17 09:37:50 PM

ATRDCI: IAmRight: Incorrigible Astronaut: it's interesting that this is where the "real journalism" is coming from.

And as a PR person I find it funny that BOTH of the top Heisman finalists were helped dramatically by complete bullsh*t stories that had nothing to do with their production on the field.

I'm not saying that neither deserved to be there, I'd just remind people that Manziel wasn't allowed to talk to the press while A&M created a whole image for him that also seems to be BS. Te'o was allowed to talk to the press apparently with a made-up story.

/also, never even heard of Te'o's story before this either
//it's amazing how much bullsh*t you escape when you don't watch ESPN or other crap sports programming that gives you zero information about sports and 100% fabricated crap to "humanize" the athletes

The only really misleading thing about Manziel was that announcers kept calling him a redshirt freshman, while hours-wise he is actually a junior

/hell the family had to take control of the "story" so that there wouldn't be NCAA violations because somebody sold Johnny Football Tshirts or something like that


Manziel graduated High School in 2011, and began at A&M in the fall of that year as a Freshman, he did not play.  In 2012 he played, as a redshirt freshman. He's not "hours wise" a Junior. He's a Sophomore by class, and a Redshirt Freshman by playing eligibility.  He didn't turn 20 until December, so he's actually relatively young for a college Sophomore.

How is A&M's policy of not allowing first year players to speak to the media an issue?  I happen to think it's a wonderful idea not to give 18-19 year old kids a microphone and free license to use it to say whetever dumb thing they want.  They should sit back and watch the 5th year seniors talk to the media and learn.
 
2013-01-17 09:38:06 PM

AdamK: CADMonkey79: Everyone needs to read the deadspin article....they broke this story. No way you can come away from that feeling he wasn't involved. A few things I have seen mentioned elsewhere. Even if he didn't go to her funeral because she asked him not to, why would have not talked to her family or gone to her grave site after the game? That was supposedly in September, she was the love of his life. Supposedly he sent white roses to her funeral, does he have a receipt, did the floral company not call him back and says there is no funeral to take this to?

you have to read the sports illustrated article too, blows his official response out of the water

that none of his teammates believed this "person" was his girlfriend, and that he was just using the story because he loves attention and wanted publicity? i mean that's pretty damning by itself, much less the whole fake person


What should have raised massive red flags for the SI reporter was that he didn't go to her when they "were going to pull the plug" after the car accident. He claimed that he was flying home from South Bend to Hawaii for summer break at the time they were going to pull the plug. That part of the story in and of itself makes so little sense that they should have started questioning what the deal was.

And that part of the story, in and of itself, makes me think he wasn't duped. If it's a person you love that much and you know you have one chance to see her before she dies, you're on the plane to California, not going back to Hawaii for summer break.
 
2013-01-17 09:41:51 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: How is A&M's policy of not allowing first year players to speak to the media an issue?


It's not; it just enabled the media to fabricate a backstory and legend of the guy before ever actually talking to him or seeing him in real life. And that backstory and mystique is as bullsh*t as Te'o's girlfriend. Manziel is a typical dumbass 20-year-old who happens to be really elusive on a football field.
 
2013-01-17 09:47:57 PM
Well, this thread showed me how much weirder this whole deal is than I expected.
 
2013-01-17 09:49:09 PM
so Carson is a real city in Southern California.

i saw somewhere the pictures were of someone else that has now been identified and this girl won't comment without a lawyer. saw a video of her getting into her car.

the girlfriend was known by lennay kekua, went by lala. Melelengei was her real name.

manti thinks she worked for Clark's Construction Company. there is a clark's construction group in costa mesa, ca.
 
2013-01-17 09:50:59 PM
If he is gay, this should serve as a reminder to us all of just how brave Jackie Robinson really was. Not everybody is cut from that same cloth. Just because he's a great athlete who may happen to be gay, doesn't mean he's ready or willing to deal with all the massive amounts of irrelevant bullshiat that the eventual Pioneer Outwardly Gay Star Male Athlete will have to deal with.

Whoever POGSMA is, he will instantly be thrust into a position of having to be a voice of gay America, likely for life. He simply won't have the option of living even a remotely "normal" life. And to take on all that extra baggage while trying to stay on a pro team AND produce at a star level.

Chris Kluwe gets bullshiat from national sportswriters after shanking a couple of punts because he wrote some tweets and emails suggesting that gay people should be able to get married. If he came out as gay, Te'o would get, what, a thousand times more scrutiny? It's certainly enough to make The Closet look a lot more appealing.

Jackie, of course, never had that choice. But went for it anyways. Because he's a hero.
 
2013-01-17 09:51:09 PM

IAmRight: HideAndGoFarkYourself: How is A&M's policy of not allowing first year players to speak to the media an issue?

It's not; it just enabled the media to fabricate a backstory and legend of the guy before ever actually talking to him or seeing him in real life. And that backstory and mystique is as bullsh*t as Te'o's girlfriend. Manziel is a typical dumbass 20-year-old who happens to be really elusive on a football field.


Who also won the Heisman as a red-shirt.
 
2013-01-17 09:57:33 PM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Manziel graduated High School in 2011, and began at A&M in the fall of that year as a Freshman, he did not play.  In 2012 he played, as a redshirt freshman. He's not "hours wise" a Junior. He's a Sophomore by class, and a Redshirt Freshman by playing eligibility.  He didn't turn 20 until December, so he's actually relatively young for a college Sophomore.


How is turning 20 in December of your sophomore year relatively young for a sophomore? I worked a year between high school and college and still didn't turn 20 until I was in my sophomore year. Turning 20 as a sophomore is somewhere between average and old for a sophomore.
 
2013-01-17 09:59:40 PM

IAmRight: HideAndGoFarkYourself: How is A&M's policy of not allowing first year players to speak to the media an issue?

It's not; it just enabled the media to fabricate a backstory and legend of the guy before ever actually talking to him or seeing him in real life. And that backstory and mystique is as bullsh*t as Te'o's girlfriend. Manziel is a typical dumbass 20-year-old who happens to be really elusive on a football field.


Do you have any examples of this myth-making for Manziel? All I really remember about him was that he dressed up as Scooby for Haloween and clearly had an awesome night. And he beat Bama, while being fun as hell to watch.
 
2013-01-17 10:05:49 PM

ShonenBat: Can someone tell me WHY this is news and not an episode of Catfish? Was there a murder? Drug deal? Did I miss something?


Because he was born in the same hospital as Obama. Everyone is just connecting the dots so we can impeach.
 
2013-01-17 10:15:08 PM

roflmaonow: This is awesome

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2013-01-17 10:23:15 PM

LeafyGreens: Who also won the Heisman as a red-shirt.


Which has nothing to do with the point.

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Do you have any examples of this myth-making for Manziel? All I really remember about him was that he dressed up as Scooby for Haloween and clearly had an awesome night. And he beat Bama, while being fun as hell to watch.


Google "Legend of Johnny Football." All of it is probably true, but the reverential tones, as though the kid is a superhero, are laughable when you see dude's twitter where he's flashing cash and saying "stop hatin'" and talking about sitting courtside at NBA games.
 
2013-01-17 11:05:06 PM

IAmRight: HideAndGoFarkYourself: How is A&M's policy of not allowing first year players to speak to the media an issue?

It's not; it just enabled the media to fabricate a backstory and legend of the guy before ever actually talking to him or seeing him in real life. And that backstory and mystique is as bullsh*t as Te'o's girlfriend. Manziel is a typical dumbass 20-year-old who happens to be really elusive on a football field.


Really?  Manziel lied about a person with a horrific disease, who then "died." Causing millions of people to feel sympathy for him, and for him to receive undue national attention and possibly win a few trophies that should have gone to other, more deserving people?  I think you are wrong here.

A&M didn't do anything close to the Te'o thing. So the nickname "Johnny Football" came up.  That's about as "mystique" as his story gets.  Manziel created his own mystique by beating Alabama.  The hype around him was generated by the media after beating Alabama, and forgetting that he'd shiat the field against LSU and Florida early in the year.

The two aren't even close to related, or similar in any way.
 
2013-01-17 11:07:29 PM

rynthetyn: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Manziel graduated High School in 2011, and began at A&M in the fall of that year as a Freshman, he did not play.  In 2012 he played, as a redshirt freshman. He's not "hours wise" a Junior. He's a Sophomore by class, and a Redshirt Freshman by playing eligibility.  He didn't turn 20 until December, so he's actually relatively young for a college Sophomore.

How is turning 20 in December of your sophomore year relatively young for a sophomore? I worked a year between high school and college and still didn't turn 20 until I was in my sophomore year. Turning 20 as a sophomore is somewhere between average and old for a sophomore.


I'm working simply off the sampling of people from my collegiate experience, where sophomores were all turning 20 either over the summer, or early in their sophomore years.  A sampling of the A&M line-up shows that Manziel is one of the younger sophomores on the team as well.
 
2013-01-17 11:10:40 PM

IAmRight: LeafyGreens: Who also won the Heisman as a red-shirt.

Which has nothing to do with the point.

Now That's What I Call a Taco!: Do you have any examples of this myth-making for Manziel? All I really remember about him was that he dressed up as Scooby for Haloween and clearly had an awesome night. And he beat Bama, while being fun as hell to watch.

Google "Legend of Johnny Football." All of it is probably true, but the reverential tones, as though the kid is a superhero, are laughable when you see dude's twitter where he's flashing cash and saying "stop hatin'" and talking about sitting courtside at NBA games.


The kid didn't do anything to promote the "Legend of Johnny Football" by going to the media and saying blatantly false things in an effort to continue a fraud, correct?  Your problem with him seems to be that he's got a pretty sweet life for a 20 year old, one that you and I did not enjoy, and hating on him for scoring some sweet courtside, all while pulling tail we farkers only wank about.
 
2013-01-18 03:54:46 AM
You know why he had to play linebacker?

Well, there was no way he could be a tight end anymore....
 
2013-01-18 09:07:18 AM
HideAndGoFarkYourself: rynthetyn: HideAndGoFarkYourself: Manziel graduated High School in 2011, and began at A&M in the fall of that year as a Freshman, he did not play.  In 2012 he played, as a redshirt freshman. He's not "hours wise" a Junior. He's a Sophomore by class, and a Redshirt Freshman by playing eligibility.  He didn't turn 20 until December, so he's actually relatively young for a college Sophomore.

How is turning 20 in December of your sophomore year relatively young for a sophomore? I worked a year between high school and college and still didn't turn 20 until I was in my sophomore year. Turning 20 as a sophomore is somewhere between average and old for a sophomore.


I'm working simply off the sampling of people from my collegiate experience, where sophomores were all turning 20 either over the summer, or early in their sophomore years.  A sampling of the A&M line-up shows that Manziel is one of the younger sophomores on the team as well.


Fwiw, while I fully understand the implications of redshirt vs. true freshman/sophomore (so no argument there), turning 20 in your sophomore year seems unusual to me. However, it can probably be explained by grade school admittance cut-off dates. I went to school in NB, which drew the line on Dec. 31st, whereas a friend I met in university went to school in NS, where the cutoff was August 31st. So, while neither of us skipped ahead or fell back, our birthdays (1 year + 2 days apart in November), made us 19 and 20, respectively, in sophomore year.

So, that's probably what happened with Johnny Football. Makes sense, too, as most non-freak-of-nature pro athletes are born in the first few months after the cutoff dates, as per Freakonomics (since they end up more physically mature/developed come tryout time, so they get more coaching attention).
 
2013-01-18 10:23:06 AM

HideAndGoFarkYourself: Your problem with him seems to be that he's got a pretty sweet life for a 20 year old, one that you and I did not enjoy, and hating on him for scoring some sweet courtside, all while pulling tail we farkers only wank about.


Keep reading into sh*t. Yeesh. I don't mind that he does all that. I'm just saying that the media ran with whatever they wanted to about his story and made him into something he wasn't. You're making up everything else. When you stop acting as though athletes are different from other people in significant ways, you'll eventually not end up with situations like Te'o's, where everyone buys into the narrative and even gives a sh*t about this dumbass story.
 
2013-01-18 11:12:43 AM
As the warrant officer said in Catch 22, "Who gives a sh*t?"
 
2013-01-18 12:58:21 PM
'Notre Dame is French for 'Our Lady' but here it represents the sorrowful Notre Dame des Douleurs as the pancake Co-Redemptrix is mourned by fabulous Mormon linebacker and Heisman Trophy finalist Manti Te'o. We see in Manti's powerful visualization an understanding that love, once imagined, is not only beyond our grasp but also defies any demanded description or definition, especially when the object of one's affection is meant not for possession but as personalized inspiration. In the classic two pancake stack Manti sees the eternal loss of the unification of the Christian Church, with divergent origins in God/Man Peter/Paul Catholic/Protestant coming to final manifestation in the questions concerning the authenticity of his own faith, sexuality, and lack of straight line speed. For as much as a good breakfast is desired, it sometimes remains an elusive ideal, as overly idealized as the Venus of Willendorf and as geopersonally separated as East versus West. In the death of the professed idol Manti is able to overcome all of these false parallels, but yet the loss is shared by both the creator and the created, the latter shedding butter tears and with syrup mouth rotund in the anguish of assassinated myth.'

www.faithmouse.com
 
2013-01-18 01:56:44 PM

FinFangFark: Look, IF he was catfished for 4 years....IT WAS 4 FARKING YEARS.

If he is lying to cover up something, he'll be the butt of jokes for a long time.  If he legitimately was hoaxed...he'll be the butt of jokes for a long time.

He's either a conman or just epically stupid.


Or he's a gay young man from a very religious familly and area and made up a long distance beard girlfriend with the help of some friends then had to "kill her off" when people started making too many inquiries and got so far in over his head that he didn't know how to get out.

I believe that's what happened, but then again he STILL lied in a very very detailed and personal way hundreds of times.
 
2013-01-18 02:02:31 PM
We need a new Te'o thread. Whar Te'o thread?!
 
2013-01-18 02:29:18 PM

notatrollorami: FinFangFark: Look, IF he was catfished for 4 years....IT WAS 4 FARKING YEARS.

If he is lying to cover up something, he'll be the butt of jokes for a long time.  If he legitimately was hoaxed...he'll be the butt of jokes for a long time.

He's either a conman or just epically stupid.

Or he's a gay young man from a very religious familly and area and made up a long distance beard girlfriend with the help of some friends then had to "kill her off" when people started making too many inquiries and got so far in over his head that he didn't know how to get out.

I believe that's what happened, but then again he STILL lied in a very very detailed and personal way hundreds of times.


Well there's this which suggests he's either obviously involved in the lie, or yeah, he's gay (my initial reaction to the whole story), and his family is going to great lengths to cover for him now.
 
2013-01-18 10:20:05 PM

FinFangFark: Well there's this which suggests he's either obviously involved in the lie, or yeah, he's gay (my initial reaction to the whole story), and his family is going to great lengths to cover for him now.


Thats a shame since he seems to be a likable guy.  If he is gay it's too bad he felt the need to cover it up.
 
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