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(C|Net)   The low-cost iPhone that was coming this summer, then wasn't coming at all, never, not ever is now again coming this summer   (news.cnet.com) divider line 67
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2013-01-17 06:53:49 PM

theflatline: Samsung Skyrocket  16 gigs, nfc, 4g, expandable memory, removable battery.   The only difference is proc speed, a few pixels, and a slightly newer bluetooth spec.   Apple was only playing catch up, and they did not do that good a job.


16 gigs - same as iPhone 5. And my 4s.

NFC - Wake me when there's a standard.

4g - same as iPhone 5

Expandable Memory: When you have cloud services, why do you need things on your phone?

Removable Battery: Yes, let's waste 20% of our possible battery space and remove the much more efficent power connection by wrapping it in plastic so Billy Bob can swap batteries once in a godsage.

Meanwhile, you downplay processor speed, vital, and screen pixel space, also important.
 
2013-01-17 07:49:37 PM

Edgewood Dirk: Had 3 iphones. Sold my 5 and picked up a galaxy 3 s. Bye apple.


I don't use the word "hero" very often, but you are the greatest hero in American history.
 
2013-01-17 08:00:23 PM
I have 5 Iphones on my family plan. They are ok. But WHY is there no call-blocking app? WTF? Since the days of my POS Blackberry I could block calls from any number I chose to add to my blacklist. Why, Apple, why?
 
2013-01-17 08:04:07 PM

majestic: I have 5 Iphones on my family plan. They are ok. But WHY is there no call-blocking app? WTF? Since the days of my POS Blackberry I could block calls from any number I chose to add to my blacklist. Why, Apple, why?


I've got two words for you: Google Voice.
 
2013-01-17 08:26:48 PM

elchip: Sweet, now I can finally afford a phone with an interface that makes it look 6 years old.


Because Microsoft turning the Windows interface into an all new steaming pile of crap has worked out so well for them?
 
2013-01-17 09:02:22 PM

saintstryfe: theflatline: Samsung Skyrocket  16 gigs, nfc, 4g, expandable memory, removable battery.   The only difference is proc speed, a few pixels, and a slightly newer bluetooth spec.   Apple was only playing catch up, and they did not do that good a job.

16 gigs - same as iPhone 5. And my 4s.


Which you can add a 64 gig chip to for 60 bucks. For a total of 80 gigs, a 64 gig iphone adds a 200 dollar increment to the cost of the iphone.  So, the clear winner is the Skyrocket.

NFC - Wake me when there's a standard.

There are several standards, though some a bit fragmented, NFC is in use for payments in other countries and even in the US, and banks are getting into it.  No reason not to into the phone.   Oddly enough apple has been filing nfc patents for years, including one so homeland security can monitor you via a scanner.  But hey, why add it to a phone, so we can charge you to upgrade later.

4g - same as iPhone 5

A year after the fact.

Expandable Memory: When you have cloud services, why do you need things on your phone?

Until the cloud becomes affordable for the masses, and unlimited data returns, not unlimited capped, then it is nice to have things locally on the phone.  Plus, what if the network is down?  I remember in the late 1990s when companies were pushing APS(application service providers) and it is still not as reliable these days.   And remind me again if I am in a remote area, get no signal, or I need to pull a four gig file, how long is that gonna take?   Again also the premium apples places on memory...

Removable Battery: Yes, let's waste 20% of our possible battery space and remove the much more efficent power connection by wrapping it in plastic so Billy Bob can swap batteries once in a godsage.

Which explains the whole cottage industry of shops and websites that charge a premium to repair iphones, change batteries, when most other phones you can buy a replacement on Amazon for seven bucks, and not need a special tool, a suction cup and steady hands.

Meanwhile, you downplay processor speed, vital, and screen pixel space, also important.

Remember when apple users downplayed processor speed because the ppc was more efficient?  Well, things have become so quick these days a few extra megahertz does not matter.   Your angry birds will still run the same.

So the Skyrocket had a bigger screen, was 4g, cost less, and was almost on par with the iphone 5, a year before the five was released....
 
2013-01-17 09:26:57 PM

MrEricSir: majestic: I have 5 Iphones on my family plan. They are ok. But WHY is there no call-blocking app? WTF? Since the days of my POS Blackberry I could block calls from any number I chose to add to my blacklist. Why, Apple, why?

I've got two words for you: Google Voice.


Yep, that's the same thing.
 
2013-01-17 09:40:18 PM

majestic: MrEricSir: majestic: I have 5 Iphones on my family plan. They are ok. But WHY is there no call-blocking app? WTF? Since the days of my POS Blackberry I could block calls from any number I chose to add to my blacklist. Why, Apple, why?

I've got two words for you: Google Voice.

Yep, that's the same thing.


Actually it's better, because the call never even makes it to your phone -- so it won't interrupt internet access on CDMA networks. You can have unwanted numbers go straight to voicemail or reject with an invalid number message.

The spam filtering alone makes Google Voice worth it, though. Before I ported my number to Google I got about 2-3 bullshiat calls a day, now I get zero.
 
2013-01-17 10:44:10 PM

styckx: What does Apple consider "Cheap"

You can get a Iphone 4 for $0 on contract, an Phone 4S for $99.

The lol part is they still want to sell you an Iphone 4 for $450 off contract or a 4S for $550 off contract.

That's quite the racket they have going on over there.


Why is that lol? Because you're bad at math (hint: it's much cheaper to do it off contract)?

Let's compare the same network (towers):

Sprint contract iphone 4s: $100 + $80/month x 24 months = $2020 over 2 years
Virgin prepaid iphone 4s: $450 + $40/month x 24 months = $1410 over 2 years

Did I mention you get about 3 times the minutes on the Virgin Mobile plan? Or that if you don't need that many you can drop it down to $30/month and save another $240? If you compare unlimited plans, the savings is $1090.
 
2013-01-17 10:58:15 PM

saintstryfe:
Expandable Memory: When you have cloud services, why do you need things on your phone?


You have GOT to be trolling, right?

Unless you're with Sprint in an LTE area, the amount of data you can transfer over the cloud per month is negligible. How does 2-5GB a month compare to a 64GB (soon to be 128GB, then 256GB) card you can put in your phone? Well, it's the difference between being able to have 10% of my music or 100% of it available to my phone.

Congrats! You fell for Apple's marketing.
 
2013-01-17 11:05:04 PM

Bisu: saintstryfe:
Expandable Memory: When you have cloud services, why do you need things on your phone?


You have GOT to be trolling, right?

Unless you're with Sprint in an LTE area, the amount of data you can transfer over the cloud per month is negligible. How does 2-5GB a month compare to a 64GB (soon to be 128GB, then 256GB) card you can put in your phone? Well, it's the difference between being able to have 10% of my music or 100% of it available to my phone.

Congrats! You fell for Apple's marketing.


Or, maybe, just maybe, he has different needs than you?
 
2013-01-17 11:11:30 PM

LasersHurt: Bisu: saintstryfe:
Expandable Memory: When you have cloud services, why do you need things on your phone?


You have GOT to be trolling, right?

Unless you're with Sprint in an LTE area, the amount of data you can transfer over the cloud per month is negligible. How does 2-5GB a month compare to a 64GB (soon to be 128GB, then 256GB) card you can put in your phone? Well, it's the difference between being able to have 10% of my music or 100% of it available to my phone.

Congrats! You fell for Apple's marketing.

Or, maybe, just maybe, he has different needs than you?


He asked why we needed expandable memory if we have the cloud. I answered his question. What's confusing you?
 
2013-01-17 11:20:15 PM

Bisu: LasersHurt: Bisu: saintstryfe:
Expandable Memory: When you have cloud services, why do you need things on your phone?


You have GOT to be trolling, right?

Unless you're with Sprint in an LTE area, the amount of data you can transfer over the cloud per month is negligible. How does 2-5GB a month compare to a 64GB (soon to be 128GB, then 256GB) card you can put in your phone? Well, it's the difference between being able to have 10% of my music or 100% of it available to my phone.

Congrats! You fell for Apple's marketing.

Or, maybe, just maybe, he has different needs than you?

He asked why we needed expandable memory if we have the cloud. I answered his question. What's confusing you?


The part where you get shirty about "falling for Apple's marketing" because the dude had a different opinion on something.
 
2013-01-18 08:45:23 AM

LasersHurt: Bisu: LasersHurt: Bisu: saintstryfe:
Expandable Memory: When you have cloud services, why do you need things on your phone?


You have GOT to be trolling, right?

Unless you're with Sprint in an LTE area, the amount of data you can transfer over the cloud per month is negligible. How does 2-5GB a month compare to a 64GB (soon to be 128GB, then 256GB) card you can put in your phone? Well, it's the difference between being able to have 10% of my music or 100% of it available to my phone.

Congrats! You fell for Apple's marketing.

Or, maybe, just maybe, he has different needs than you?

He asked why we needed expandable memory if we have the cloud. I answered his question. What's confusing you?

The part where you get shirty about "falling for Apple's marketing" because the dude had a different opinion on something.


Perhaps you should work on your reading comprehension. He didn't have a different opinion. He simply couldn't fathom why anyone would need anything other than the cloud, even though it's pretty obvious. That's exactly what Apple's marketing tries to convince you. Anyone who wasn't brainwashed by it would take the 3 seconds to think for themselves and realize it's completely obvious the cloud does very little to replace storage space. If the cloud solved storage for everyone, the iphone would only come in 1 size. 8 GB + 2GB/month > 96GB? If Apple said it, it MUST be true!

Logic > you

/reply if you want; I won't see
//poof!
 
2013-01-18 11:21:51 AM

Mad_Radhu: StoPPeRmobile: Mad_Radhu: Back in the day when they were the only popular smartphone in town

When was that?

2007 to 2009. Before Verizon launched the Droid, there really weren't any smartphones outside of Blackberry/Sidekick that really got the public excited the way the iPhone did. Prior to the iPhone, it was pretty rare for non-business customers to pony up for a premium smartphone, plus a data and texting plan. The iPhone basically moved a big chunk of the non-techie public from cheap Razrs that were just used for phone calls into more profitable plans for the carriers, which is why AT&T wanted it so badly and Verizon, T-Mobile, and Sprint were all trying to come up with iPhone killers. You could probably even argue that it wasn't really until the release of the Galaxy S phones in mid-2010 that the iPhone really had credible competition, so AT&T and Apple pretty much had that lucrative market of new smartphone users to themselves until then.


You hit the nail on the head. I worked for VZW in that tine frame and every three months there was a new iPhone killer. They usually sucked it, hard. The Chocolate, Voyager, a couple of Palms, even a Samsung WinMo or two. I didn't have a retail job bit my office was in a retail building. It was something to see.
 
2013-01-18 03:11:07 PM

MrEricSir: majestic: MrEricSir: majestic: I have 5 Iphones on my family plan. They are ok. But WHY is there no call-blocking app? WTF? Since the days of my POS Blackberry I could block calls from any number I chose to add to my blacklist. Why, Apple, why?

I've got two words for you: Google Voice.

Yep, that's the same thing.

Actually it's better, because the call never even makes it to your phone -- so it won't interrupt internet access on CDMA networks. You can have unwanted numbers go straight to voicemail or reject with an invalid number message.

The spam filtering alone makes Google Voice worth it, though. Before I ported my number to Google I got about 2-3 bullshiat calls a day, now I get zero.


Not available in my area.
 
2013-01-18 04:32:33 PM

BullBearMS: Because Microsoft turning the Windows interface into an all new steaming pile of crap has worked out so well for them?


Sweet Jesus no, that's even worse.
 
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