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2013-01-17 08:33:04 AM
Today on Mixed Metaphor Theatre:

CSU Chancellor Tim White, who was also in San Jose on Tuesday, called the San Jose State deal with Udacity "one of the arrows in our quiver. It's not a silver bullet. But wildlife figured out a long time ago that you need biodiversity."
 
2013-01-17 08:57:49 AM
Fark you, subby. Proud SJSU Spartan '88.

It ain't Harvard but I parlayed my BA into a comfortable 25+ year run in IT, still in touch with the greatest group of friends a man could ever have...
 
2013-01-17 09:10:41 AM
still in touch with the greatest group of friends a man could ever have...

Kool & the Gang?

/sorry, I'm at fark on my phone while trying to get a uncooperative 1-year-old to eat her breakfast. My brain's gone weird.
 
2013-01-17 09:18:46 AM
If you have an overcrowding problem in your remedial classes, it might be time to critique your admission standards.
 
2013-01-17 10:38:10 AM
More universities need to offer classes online. My wife took two years to get into two courses she needed to get into graduate school. Full-time students got priority and the classes filled up within hours of registration opening. Both times, she got the class because of cancellations.
 
2013-01-17 10:43:27 AM

natazha: More universities need to offer classes online. My wife took two years to get into two courses she needed to get into graduate school.


I got my BA out of state. I was itching to move home, so I worked it out with my councilor that I could finish my last semester online. FYI, I'd already been overloading my schedule with at least one online class every semester. The last 3 courses I needed to take were a simple course I knew was offered online, and just two departmental gen eds. No sweat.

First semester back home, I knock out the one required course. It then took me 2 years for them to offer a couple of courses that met the gen ed requirements. Glad to be done.
 
2013-01-17 11:17:46 AM
Not a SJSU alum, but I know a few, and don't see why you're disparaging it.
 
2013-01-17 11:52:38 AM

Son of Thunder: Today on Mixed Metaphor Theatre:

CSU Chancellor Tim White, who was also in San Jose on Tuesday, called the San Jose State deal with Udacity "one of the arrows in our quiver. It's not a silver bullet. But wildlife figured out a long time ago that you need biodiversity."


The are selling the rope they will shoot themselves in the foot with.
 
2013-01-17 11:56:24 AM
Subby is still butt hurt his credits did not transfer from De Anza. Or Evergreen. Or San Jose City College. Gavilan maybe.

/Got nuthin.
 
2013-01-17 11:59:52 AM
I went there. It was inexpensive and I got a decent education. Really not sure what there is to mock about SJSU -- it's mostly a commuter school for a lot of hard-working people. The lack of 200K in crushing, soul-killing student loans afterward also helped.
 
2013-01-17 12:07:03 PM
Nothing wrong with Sjsu, I know a lot of people in biotech in the bay area who went there. I am also a csu grad, went to sdsu for my ms.
 
2013-01-17 12:07:28 PM
San Jose State University offers low-cost online courses to local students who are crowded out of basic remedial classes

I see california's liberal education system is working out exactly as we predicted.

With success like this, obviously, teachers deserve huge raises.
 
2013-01-17 12:14:54 PM

davideggy: If you have an overcrowding problem in your remedial classes, it might be time to critique your admission standards.


It's the Cal State system. It's for people who can't get into college.
 
2013-01-17 12:21:43 PM
SJSU alumni here. Good school at a good price. The remedial stuff was hilarious even when I went there. 550 or better on your SAT scores meant you didn't have to take them. Practically everyone I knew had to take them.

I blame it on the feeder schools.
 
2013-01-17 01:21:54 PM
Has anyone else noticed that FARKers get really douchey about what college people went to?

/went to a tech school
 
2013-01-17 01:22:21 PM
I went to SFSU, so I just came here to point out that SJSU sucks.
 
2013-01-17 01:49:03 PM
SJSU alum. Graduated in 2006. Good school and with me and my younger brother both going to college at the same time, probably all my parents could afford. Other than that, I got nothin', except maybe to point out subby is probably some elitist prick.
 
2013-01-17 01:50:35 PM
Went to San Diego State and came here to point out that that those were the best four years I can't remember

/Still ended up working at a fortune 500 company
 
2013-01-17 02:05:18 PM
If you need to take a remedial course, you don't belong at a university.  Prepare yourself at at city college and save a huge pile of money.
 
2013-01-17 02:14:23 PM
Not subby but I read that headline differently. I don't think it's intended to be a slam on the university. The way I took is that subby was making a point about how a college credential is being watered down so that people are paying money for nothing. Maybe subby did mean it as snark but that is by no means self-evident.
 
2013-01-17 02:22:41 PM
SJSU has way better looking girls than Stanford.

/Just go to the annual Bill Walsh Memorial Football game to verify the accuracy of this statement.

//Bill Walsh is (was) an SJSU Alum, and Stanford football coach/hero.
 
2013-01-17 02:32:53 PM

davideggy: If you have an overcrowding problem in your remedial classes, it might be time to critique your admission standards.


You've got it backwards. You make all the remedial classes online, then you decrease admission standards. A TON of people pay you to take the remedial courses, and the ones who fail or drop out are a never a drain on the resources of the actual classes. It's almost a really roundabout way of sneaking in application fees.

They make more money, cost is minimal, and the people who actually make it to a degree took all the non-remedial coursework in the traditional fashion. The value of the completed degree stays the same, but you make more money by selling hope to kids who came out of high school not being able to math. You don't even need to kick them out when they fail; just keep letting them pay for the same course until they can pass it, then boot them if they fail in the non-remedial ones. I'm not saying that it's ethical, but I think it'll be profitable.
 
2013-01-17 02:41:12 PM

OgreMagi: If you need to take a remedial course, you don't belong at a university.  Prepare yourself at at city college and save a huge pile of money.


Not necessarily. In a university you pay by the semester, but many community colleges charge by the unit. Depending how many classes you cram in, state universities can be cheaper.

Also you generally get more money from the feds for going to a university, so there's that.
 
2013-01-17 03:09:27 PM

chrisr64: Fark you, subby. Proud SJSU Spartan '88.

It ain't Harvard but I parlayed my BA into a comfortable 25+ year run in IT, still in touch with the greatest group of friends a man could ever have...


Also more importantly: no one gives a shiat about the name of the college on your degree, only that it's accredited.

/and even then: probably only if you're going into the field of your degree
 
2013-01-17 03:12:22 PM

Empty Matchbook: Also more importantly: no one gives a shiat about the name of the college on your degree, only that it's accredited.

/and even then: probably only if you're going into the field of your degree


You're trying to tell me that, all other things being equal, the resume with University of Phoenix and the resume with MIT are identical in the eyes of your average hiring manager?
 
2013-01-17 03:16:17 PM

MrEricSir: OgreMagi: If you need to take a remedial course, you don't belong at a university.  Prepare yourself at at city college and save a huge pile of money.

Not necessarily. In a university you pay by the semester, but many community colleges charge by the unit. Depending how many classes you cram in, state universities can be cheaper.

Also you generally get more money from the feds for going to a university, so there's that.


I stand by my primary statement. If you need a remedial course, you do not belong at a university.
 
2013-01-17 03:27:23 PM
More and more Universities are proving they care about nothing but a fast buck. I don't know of any universities that don't offer individual classes online (at full price) but just about all of them have full degrees (often graduate degrees) that you can get 100% online.

And the diploma doesn't mention it.
Your transcript doesn't mention it either.

Degree inflation is just getting warmed up. Sadly.
It won't be long before you'll need a Master's degree to even get an interview.

// Currently an online graduate student
 
2013-01-17 03:41:14 PM

gavsarris: Subby is still butt hurt his credits did not transfer from De Anza. Or Evergreen. Or San Jose City College. Gavilan maybe.

/Got nuthin.


He probably went to West Valley with all the other douche bags.
 
2013-01-17 05:03:25 PM

gander: I went there. It was inexpensive and I got a decent education. Really not sure what there is to mock about SJSU -- it's mostly a commuter school for a lot of hard-working people. The lack of 200K in crushing, soul-killing student loans afterward also helped.


And local engineering companies hire more SJSU grads than Stanford or Berkeley grads.

/fark you subby
 
2013-01-17 05:04:07 PM

gavsarris: Subby is still butt hurt his credits did not transfer from De Anza. Or Evergreen. Or San Jose City College. Gavilan maybe.

/Got nuthin.


/fark you
//went there because I had just left the military
 
2013-01-17 05:07:09 PM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: gavsarris: Subby is still butt hurt his credits did not transfer from De Anza. Or Evergreen. Or San Jose City College. Gavilan maybe.

/Got nuthin.

/fark you
//went there because I had just left the military


I'm transferring from De Anza to SJSU this year, nothing to feel bad about, it's the smarter move if you do it right.
 
2013-01-17 05:09:36 PM

TheJoe03: I'm transferring from De Anza to SJSU this year, nothing to feel bad about, it's the smarter move if you do it right.


I'm in EE with a 3.98 GPA and I'm going on to graduate school after a working next year
 
2013-01-17 06:42:28 PM
So you get a degree and a second language?
 
2013-01-17 07:35:03 PM

MrEricSir: OgreMagi: If you need to take a remedial course, you don't belong at a university.  Prepare yourself at at city college and save a huge pile of money.

Not necessarily. In a university you pay by the semester, but many community colleges charge by the unit. Depending how many classes you cram in, state universities can be cheaper.

Also you generally get more money from the feds for going to a university, so there's that.


I am 39 and going back to get a degree (mostly to prove to my kids that I believe it is important). I scored just fine on the English placement tests but because it has been forever since High School I need to take some non-transferable math. My Girlfriend, who works in education, told me about these MOOCs Link

I haven't started yet (starts next week) but I think it will be just the ticket. I will retest after the class and not have to pay for courses that don't count for my degree.
 
2013-01-17 07:53:40 PM

TheJoe03: gavsarris: Subby is still butt hurt his credits did not transfer from De Anza. Or Evergreen. Or San Jose City College. Gavilan maybe.

/Got nuthin.

He probably went to West Valley with all the other douche bags.


I was thinking Stanfurd or Cal.

/with all the other douche bags
//class of '94
///KSJS Sports alumni
 
2013-01-17 09:25:09 PM
As the saying goes, "Berkeley students want to change the world, Stanford students want to rule the world, San Jose State students live in the real world" - don't remember who said it, but I'm pretty sure they went to SJSU
 
2013-01-17 10:00:39 PM
Subby isn't even trying. May as well have added "Duke sucks. Penis" to the headline. If you're going to be making fun of SJSU, the crux is that it's located in San Jose.
 
2013-01-17 10:06:06 PM
Cheap education for anyone who wants it?

I MUST find a way to troll this.
 
2013-01-17 10:23:33 PM

ProfessorOhki: Empty Matchbook: Also more importantly: no one gives a shiat about the name of the college on your degree, only that it's accredited.

/and even then: probably only if you're going into the field of your degree

You're trying to tell me that, all other things being equal, the resume with University of Phoenix and the resume with MIT are identical in the eyes of your average hiring manager?


This. Some people are just delusional. Where you go to college does matter in an overwhelming majority of cases, of course in some fields more than others. Sure, the difference between a degree from Yale and one from Harvard might be minimal, but if you think your SJSU degree will be able to compete with an elite university in most fields then you better have a ton of practical experience.
 
2013-01-17 10:57:06 PM
Top 25 finish in two football polls this year! Go Spartans!!
 
2013-01-18 12:21:05 AM

ProfessorOhki: Empty Matchbook: Also more importantly: no one gives a shiat about the name of the college on your degree, only that it's accredited.

/and even then: probably only if you're going into the field of your degree

You're trying to tell me that, all other things being equal, the resume with University of Phoenix and the resume with MIT are identical in the eyes of your average hiring manager?


ALL other things? If you're NOT trying to get a job in an IT field/whatever field your degree is in: yes.

It's not what you've earned, it's who you know.
 
2013-01-18 03:05:58 AM

natazha: More universities need to offer classes online. My wife took two years to get into two courses she needed to get into graduate school. Full-time students got priority and the classes filled up within hours of registration opening. Both times, she got the class because of cancellations.


Did she try taking the class online as a non-degree seeking student at another university then transferring the credits?
 
2013-01-18 03:08:53 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: More and more Universities are proving they care about nothing but a fast buck. I don't know of any universities that don't offer individual classes online (at full price) but just about all of them have full degrees (often graduate degrees) that you can get 100% online.

And the diploma doesn't mention it.
Your transcript doesn't mention it either.

Degree inflation is just getting warmed up. Sadly.
It won't be long before you'll need a Master's degree to even get an interview.

// Currently an online graduate student


Whoa whoa whoa...you forgot to mention that they charge an extra 'online class fee' for each class even though it provides the same content (ie blackboard) that you get with an on-campus class. I think mine is $111/per.
 
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