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(ESPN)   LeBron James becomes youngest player in NBA history to reach 20,000 career points. In upcoming news, LeBron James becomes youngest player to reach 21,000 points, 22,000 points, 23,000 points   (espn.go.com) divider line 55
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2013-01-17 07:56:29 AM
Gate 8... Gate 9... Gate 10... Gate 11... Gate 12...
 
2013-01-17 08:14:49 AM
Well when you forego college and give yourself a 4 year head start, with his talents, yes it's pretty reachable
 
2013-01-17 08:15:02 AM
He scored 3000 points last night?
 
2013-01-17 08:30:22 AM
LeBron James should have a special on ESPN where he announces he's taking his talents to Hell.
 
2013-01-17 08:41:26 AM

natural316: Well when you forego college and give yourself a 4 year head start, with his talents, yes it's pretty reachable


THIS

/Also applies to most of the other "youngest player"records he holds
 
2013-01-17 08:48:18 AM
He also recorded his 5,000th assist last night. It's taken a while for me to accept this, but he is a god among men. He's also has 5,000 rebounds. He's the 11th 20,000-5,000-5,000 player.

natural316: Well when you forego college and give yourself a 4 year head start, with his talents, yes it's pretty reachable


He beat the next youngest, Kobe, also a high-school draftee, by well over a year.
 
2013-01-17 08:57:49 AM
Also playing in a time where the NBA has no defense. Do this in the 1980's, and I would be impressed. He also is allowed 4 steps in the lane. Screw your stats, it's all smoke and mirrors.
 
2013-01-17 09:12:23 AM

JohnnyRebel88: Also playing in a time where the NBA has no defense. Do this in the 1980's, and I would be impressed. He also is allowed 4 steps in the lane. Screw your stats, it's all smoke and mirrors.


So that 88 in your handle... High school graduation or birth?
 
2013-01-17 09:13:28 AM

natural316: Well when you forego college and give yourself a 4 year head start, with his talents, yes it's pretty reachable


You do realize his is not the only basketball player to do this?
 
2013-01-17 09:19:33 AM

JohnnyRebel88: Also playing in a time where the NBA has no defense. Do this in the 1980's, and I would be impressed. He also is allowed 4 steps in the lane. Screw your stats, it's all smoke and mirrors.


Defense is better than the 80s and the game is slower. Scoring buckets of points is harder now. Also, do you really think of all people a giant athletic freak like LeBron would have had trouble with a more physical league?
 
2013-01-17 09:28:41 AM
I don't care about the age thing, I want to know how many games it took him. I'm glad the article pointed out that information.
 
2013-01-17 09:43:22 AM
Done in one.
 
2013-01-17 09:48:10 AM

LucklessWonder: natural316: Well when you forego college and give yourself a 4 year head start, with his talents, yes it's pretty reachable



10/10. you are troll king for the day
 
2013-01-17 09:48:36 AM

natural316: Well when you forego college and give yourself a 4 year head start, with his talents, yes it's pretty reachable


There haven't been many people in the NBA doing four years of college in quite a while. Hell, Jordan didn't go for four years.
 
2013-01-17 10:03:03 AM
Current career rankings:

Points: 42nd (20,007; next to get passed is Tom Chambers with 20,049.)
Rebounds: 218th (5,244; next is Jeff Foster with 5,248. Next inactive is Byron Beck and Cedric Maxwell with 5,261. Shawn Bradley is on alert with 5,268!)
Assists: 56th (5,008; next is Tony Parker with 5,027. Next inactive is Walt Frazier, with 5,040.)
Steals: 71st (1,255; next is Kenny Anderson with 1,258.)
Blocks: 175th (616; next is James Worthy with 624. Hey, Darko's 177th! The No. 2 overall pick that year approached LeBron's numbers in a category! He's only three blocks behind him.)
 
2013-01-17 10:40:02 AM

wildstarr: natural316: Well when you forego college and give yourself a 4 year head start, with his talents, yes it's pretty reachable

You do realize his is not the only basketball player to do this?


Yes, my comment applies to all the high school entrants who have a "youngest player to" record
 
2013-01-17 10:41:42 AM

natural316: Yes, my comment applies to all the high school entrants who have a "youngest player to" record


Well, no it doesn't, because like I said, most players haven't gone to 4 years of school in decades.
 
2013-01-17 10:53:01 AM

IAmRight: Well, no it doesn't, because like I said, most players haven't gone to 4 years of school in decades.


Even the year of college changes things. Durant would be pretty close to all of LeBron's "youngest to ___ points" records if he hadn't spent a year in college. I don't know if he'd beat him there, because he wasn't quite as NBA ready out of HS as LeBron was (and I don't know how old he is relative to his graduation year) but as it is he doesn't really have much of a shot.
 
2013-01-17 11:07:05 AM

you have pee hands: IAmRight: Well, no it doesn't, because like I said, most players haven't gone to 4 years of school in decades.

Even the year of college changes things. Durant would be pretty close to all of LeBron's "youngest to ___ points" records if he hadn't spent a year in college. I don't know if he'd beat him there, because he wasn't quite as NBA ready out of HS as LeBron was (and I don't know how old he is relative to his graduation year) but as it is he doesn't really have much of a shot.


I know it sucks, but Lebron is probably going to end his career as the GoAT in the NBA

May as well get over it now
 
2013-01-17 11:08:03 AM

Wolsey: Gate 8... Gate 9... Gate 10... Gate 11... Gate 12...


Surely, you can't be serious.
 
2013-01-17 11:09:36 AM

you have pee hands: JohnnyRebel88: Also playing in a time where the NBA has no defense. Do this in the 1980's, and I would be impressed. He also is allowed 4 steps in the lane. Screw your stats, it's all smoke and mirrors.

Defense is better than the 80s and the game is slower. Scoring buckets of points is harder now. Also, do you really think of all people a giant athletic freak like LeBron would have had trouble with a more physical league?


It's amazing how little people remember about the 80s. Defense was not that decade's strong suit, and the number of shots attempted then was far greater than it is today. From 1984-1990, only 3 teams TOTAL scored less than 100 ppg in any given season. The 1990-91 season was the first year since 82-83 that multiple teams scored fewer than 100 ppg.
 
2013-01-17 11:10:59 AM

you have pee hands: IAmRight: Well, no it doesn't, because like I said, most players haven't gone to 4 years of school in decades.

Even the year of college changes things. Durant would be pretty close to all of LeBron's "youngest to ___ points" records if he hadn't spent a year in college. I don't know if he'd beat him there, because he wasn't quite as NBA ready out of HS as LeBron was (and I don't know how old he is relative to his graduation year) but as it is he doesn't really have much of a shot.


Both came into the league at age 19. Durant, born Sept 29, 1988, started his first season in 2007. LeBron, born Dec. 30, 1984, started his first season in 2003. So LeBron has three months on him. Though there was nowhere near the hype about Durant until after his season at Texas. Durant has a decent chance to beat the record, however, because he scores more than anyone (three consecutive scoring titles). He's not going to be approaching 5000 assists at anywhere near the same rate, however.
 
2013-01-17 11:20:56 AM
It's much easier to put up numbers like that when you go to the free throw line any time an opposing player gives you a dirty look, when you are not required to dribble the ball anywhere inside the three point line, and when you never, ever have to worry about fouling out of a game.

Just ask Jordan.
 
2013-01-17 11:22:39 AM

Yanks_RSJ: It's amazing how little people remember about the 80s. Defense was not that decade's strong suit, and the number of shots attempted then was far greater than it is today. From 1984-1990, only 3 teams TOTAL scored less than 100 ppg in any given season. The 1990-91 season was the first year since 82-83 that multiple teams scored fewer than 100 ppg.


Also, I'd like to point out that the entirety of the illegal defense rules were stricken from the books in 2000, replaced simply by "no defensive three in the key unless you're guarding someone." Defenses can do a hell of a lot more now than they could before.
 
2013-01-17 11:27:57 AM

IAmRight: Yanks_RSJ: It's amazing how little people remember about the 80s. Defense was not that decade's strong suit, and the number of shots attempted then was far greater than it is today. From 1984-1990, only 3 teams TOTAL scored less than 100 ppg in any given season. The 1990-91 season was the first year since 82-83 that multiple teams scored fewer than 100 ppg.

Also, I'd like to point out that the entirety of the illegal defense rules were stricken from the books in 2000, replaced simply by "no defensive three in the key unless you're guarding someone." Defenses can do a hell of a lot more now than they could before.


Add to that detailed use of video, that has helped defenses far more than offenses. I remember a clip during the 1987 Finals when James Brown (then their sideline reporter) had to venture into the rat-infested bowels of Boston Garden to find the Lakers video guy with a notepad and VCR - apparently cutting edge in the NBA back then.
 
2013-01-17 11:30:20 AM
He is still 18,000 + points behind Kareem... and he has the luxury of not dragging Walton and Lanier up and down the court for 48 minutes.
 
2013-01-17 11:58:34 AM

Yanks_RSJ: you have pee hands: JohnnyRebel88: Also playing in a time where the NBA has no defense. Do this in the 1980's, and I would be impressed. He also is allowed 4 steps in the lane. Screw your stats, it's all smoke and mirrors.

Defense is better than the 80s and the game is slower. Scoring buckets of points is harder now. Also, do you really think of all people a giant athletic freak like LeBron would have had trouble with a more physical league?

It's amazing how little people remember about the 80s. Defense was not that decade's strong suit, and the number of shots attempted then was far greater than it is today. From 1984-1990, only 3 teams TOTAL scored less than 100 ppg in any given season. The 1990-91 season was the first year since 82-83 that multiple teams scored fewer than 100 ppg.


I figured pee hands must have been trolling, because the 80's were known for the Showtime-style offenses. Just in case my memory was failing me, I even went to pro-basketball-reference.com to run the stats.

Basically, for most of the 80's, until the '88-'89 season, the league-wide field goal percentage was over .480, peaking in the '83-'84 season at .492. Since 2005, the highest field goal percentage was .461 in the '09-'10 season. Points per field goal attempt, however, has remained about the same at 1.23 points per shot, excluding the strike-shortened '11-'12 season which was a clear outlier*. It actually dipped in the early '90s to 1.20, probably because of the tactics of the Bad Boy Pistons and the Ewing-era Knicks, but I guess players became more willing to draw contact and shoot free throws.

*point per shot was between 1.23 and 1.24 every year from '05 - '11, then dropped to 1.18 in '11-'12.
 
2013-01-17 12:00:56 PM

Unlord: It's much easier to put up numbers like that when you go to the free throw line any time an opposing player gives you a dirty look, when you are not required to dribble the ball anywhere inside the three point line, and when you never, ever have to worry about fouling out of a game.

Just ask Jordan.


First i was like this, then I lol'd.jpg

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Well done.
 
2013-01-17 01:25:23 PM

logggur: JohnnyRebel88: Also playing in a time where the NBA has no defense. Do this in the 1980's, and I would be impressed. He also is allowed 4 steps in the lane. Screw your stats, it's all smoke and mirrors.

So that 88 in your handle... High school graduation or birth?


Neither, I was born in 76, and it's my lucky number. My father used to take me to games, races and every other sporting event, even if I didn't want to go. I have unfortunately seen the steady decline of the NBA since the late 90's, and it was my favorite sport. So around the mid 2000's I considered it more of "Streetball" than the NBA which I once loved and enjoyed. I have become more interested as of late in regards to the NBA because of reemergence of coaches like Doug Collins and have such respect for Jerry Sloan type coaching.

I will not get into an argument on who is better, Jordan or Lebron because these are two players that played in a different eras and in my opinion, 2 different games. Like with everything else, things evolve, some for the good of the game, some not. There are no "big men" as there once was, Like Mark Eaton, G-Man etc... These were considered scrubs at the time as well, at least I considered them to be as such, but if they were playing nowadays, they would foul out in the first qtr of a game because all the flopping etc... The game was more physical back then, and hopefully it will regain some of the class it once had. Football is all about throwing downfield and changed as much, and most teams have abandoned the running game all together. Defense wins games and will always be the best offense. The NFL is hilarious, what happened to all the "great" defensive teams that played last week?

I would love to see the 86 Celtics play whatever Heat team you could throw at them. IMO The Celtics would destroy them and most likely hold them to 90pts a game. I also don't believe that Blake Griffin could possibly be a starter in the 80's, he would probably be a pro volleyball player, and a very good one at that.  I believe that the athletes are getting better, however their skills have declined dramatically.
 
2013-01-17 01:32:18 PM
I also remember a Denver Nuggets team that would put up a dump-load of points in the 80's, but they sucked.
 
2013-01-17 01:50:15 PM

Arkanaut: Yanks_RSJ: you have pee hands: JohnnyRebel88: Also playing in a time where the NBA has no defense. Do this in the 1980's, and I would be impressed. He also is allowed 4 steps in the lane. Screw your stats, it's all smoke and mirrors.

Defense is better than the 80s and the game is slower. Scoring buckets of points is harder now. Also, do you really think of all people a giant athletic freak like LeBron would have had trouble with a more physical league?

It's amazing how little people remember about the 80s. Defense was not that decade's strong suit, and the number of shots attempted then was far greater than it is today. From 1984-1990, only 3 teams TOTAL scored less than 100 ppg in any given season. The 1990-91 season was the first year since 82-83 that multiple teams scored fewer than 100 ppg.

The only truth you will ever know is the truth you can see for yourself.

I figured pee hands must have been trolling, because the 80's were known for the Showtime-style offenses. Just in case my memory was failing me, I even went to pro-basketball-reference.com to run the stats.

Basically, for most of the 80's, until the '88-'89 season, the league-wide field goal percentage was over .480, peaking in the '83-'84 season at .492. Since 2005, the highest field goal percentage was .461 in the '09-'10 season. Points per field goal attempt, however, has remained about the same at 1.23 points per shot, excluding the strike-shortened '11-'12 season which was a clear outlier*. It actually dipped in the early '90s to 1.20, probably because of the tactics of the Bad Boy Pistons and the Ewing-era Knicks, but I guess players became more willing to draw contact and shoot free throws.

*point per shot was between 1.23 and 1.24 every year from '05 - '11, then dropped to 1.18 in '11-'12.


Never rely on statistics, they show nothing and EVERYTHING can be an outlier. If The Denver Nuggets would allow teams to score 140 pts a game on them, this will certainly skew the findings. Stats make me chuckle.

Does this skew any findings?
The 1990-91 Denver Nuggets were a prolific offensive team. They scored 119.9 PPG and had an astounding eight players average in double-figures, led by Michael Adams (26.5 PPG and 10.5 APG) and Orlando Woolridge (25.1 PPG and 6.8 RPG). For a statistical comparison, the Phoenix Suns were the highest scoring team in the NBA last season; they averaged 110.2 PPG, had "only" five players in double-digits, and Amare Stoudemire was their lone 20-point scorer (20.4).

Just how bad were they? They gave up 130.8 PPG. You read that right: Per game. Just think about that for a minute. Can you imagine putting up almost 120 points every night and still losing by an average of 11 a game? By the way, that 130.8 PPG is, indeed, the most allowed by any team in NBA history. And while it's true that team scoring averages were higher in '91 than they are today -- the league average was 106.3 PPG -- the Nuggets still allowed 24.5 PPG more than the league average. That means they could add Dirk Nowitzki's 2006-07 scoring average and still barely break even.
it is a good read and this Nuggets team never held a team under 100 pts that season. That is awesome, and maybe this team is what started it all. I also hate Stern.
http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2007/07/from-vaults-worst-defensive- t eam-ever.html
 
2013-01-17 02:18:46 PM

JohnnyRebel88: Arkanaut: Yanks_RSJ: you have pee hands: JohnnyRebel88: Also playing in a time where the NBA has no defense. Do this in the 1980's, and I would be impressed. He also is allowed 4 steps in the lane. Screw your stats, it's all smoke and mirrors.

Defense is better than the 80s and the game is slower. Scoring buckets of points is harder now. Also, do you really think of all people a giant athletic freak like LeBron would have had trouble with a more physical league?

It's amazing how little people remember about the 80s. Defense was not that decade's strong suit, and the number of shots attempted then was far greater than it is today. From 1984-1990, only 3 teams TOTAL scored less than 100 ppg in any given season. The 1990-91 season was the first year since 82-83 that multiple teams scored fewer than 100 ppg.

The only truth you will ever know is the truth you can see for yourself.

I figured pee hands must have been trolling, because the 80's were known for the Showtime-style offenses. Just in case my memory was failing me, I even went to pro-basketball-reference.com to run the stats.

Basically, for most of the 80's, until the '88-'89 season, the league-wide field goal percentage was over .480, peaking in the '83-'84 season at .492. Since 2005, the highest field goal percentage was .461 in the '09-'10 season. Points per field goal attempt, however, has remained about the same at 1.23 points per shot, excluding the strike-shortened '11-'12 season which was a clear outlier*. It actually dipped in the early '90s to 1.20, probably because of the tactics of the Bad Boy Pistons and the Ewing-era Knicks, but I guess players became more willing to draw contact and shoot free throws.

*point per shot was between 1.23 and 1.24 every year from '05 - '11, then dropped to 1.18 in '11-'12.

Never rely on statistics, they show nothing and EVERYTHING can be an outlier. If The Denver Nuggets would allow teams to score 140 pts a game on them, this will certainly skew the findings. Sta ...


So this is performance art right? Or are you insane
 
2013-01-17 02:23:45 PM

JohnnyRebel88: Never rely on statistics, they show nothing and EVERYTHING can be an outlier. If The Denver Nuggets would allow teams to score 140 pts a game on them, this will certainly skew the findings. Stats make me chuckle.


Well, you gotta pick the right ones. Point per game could go up or down depending on how the coaches gameplan -- there's the old saw about playoff games being half-court games. But I would think that defense would be reflected in numbers like opponents' field goal percentage and point per shot. And anyway in every era there are going to be the outliers -- the Showtime Lakers on one end and the Charlotte Bobcats on the other. Just because they exist doesn't necessarily indict a whole era.

Just to self-critique -- there were potentially a couple of other stats that I could have looked at, like turnovers and steals, which also reflects on a team's "defense" beyond shooting stats. And since this discussion is all about Lebron, you could have argued that the East Coast competition is weaker, but I'm not going to go do a weighted average of Lebron's opposing teams because I just don't have the time. Also, the lower FG% left me wide open for the accusation that players these days can't shoot anymore, which would be totally borne out by those numbers.
 
2013-01-17 02:24:04 PM

JohnnyRebel88:
I would love to see the 86 Celtics play whatever Heat team you could throw at them. IMO The Celtics would destroy them and most likely hold them to 90pts a game.

Number of times the 86 Celtics allowed more than 90 pts: 95 (playoffs: all games)
Number of times the 86 Celtics allowed less than 90 pts: 5 (playoffs: none)
 
2013-01-17 03:17:58 PM
88 is also the number neo-nazis use to denote their worship of Hitler. H being the eighth letter of the alphabet, HH=Heil Hitler. I'm guessing this is just a troll account whose owner decided to just use it as a regular account instead. Or his dad was a huge racist and the 88 just rubbed on him by osmosis.
 
2013-01-17 03:18:09 PM

JohnnyRebel88: I also don't believe that Blake Griffin could possibly be a starter in the 80's


That's adorable.
 
2013-01-17 04:29:34 PM
What bizzaro world is this where the 80s were known for defense?

And not going to college was a huge boost for Lebron's 'youngest to' records. How can you argue that it's nut? He's only competing with people in a short time frame. Kobe and Garnett are the only two other straight from high school players to make it big. Garnett wasn't a score first player and Kobe's minutes were limited by there already being a very good shooting guard on an already good team.
 
2013-01-17 05:54:42 PM

Champion of the Sun: 88 is also the number neo-nazis use to denote their worship of Hitler. H being the eighth letter of the alphabet, HH=Heil Hitler. I'm guessing this is just a troll account whose owner decided to just use it as a regular account instead. Or his dad was a huge racist and the 88 just rubbed on him by osmosis.


And 7 denotes Jesus Christ, but why is it the most desired number in every slot machine? If you get 3 of them, you win the jackpot. What does Jesus have to do with gambling? You got it genius, that's what 88 means. How would you know that unless you were a nazi yourself?

No, by no means in anyway was trying to be a troll, nor have I ever. I was just trying to point out that you cannot compare things from the past to the way they are today and will be tomorrow. We are in a constant state of evolution (well some of us at least), and if you have not noticed, we are living longer because of knowledge, thus knowledge causes evolution.

As for sports, you must actually see things in person to appreciate talent. I said, and will state again that it is MY Opinion that the 86 Celtics could and would wipe the floor with teams of the now. I just used the 86 Celtics as an example because they were an awesome team and it was probably one of Bird's greatest years as a team player. It's not just how many times you score, assist, or rebound, it is also the screens set, the way someone perfectly executes a play after a TO. There were just so many great players between that period of time (80's to mid 90's) . I could also name the Sixers, Lakers, Pistons, and the Bulls to that list as well. They owned 20 years of basketball. I haven't seen any team do that lately.

You sound like a fool and a troll trying to start a fight because of my screen name... really. I have been on this site for probably over 10 years, and only once has that ever came up. Ok so Heil Hitler and have a nice day. Ever think I might be Jewish? You are such a fool.

Numbers and stats can be thrown in the trash because they reset every second.
I highly doubt you would have the balls to say that to my face about my father if you were in front of me. If you did, I would stick you in an oven.
 
2013-01-17 05:56:57 PM

JohnnyRebel88: Never rely on statistics, they show nothing and EVERYTHING can be an outlier


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2013-01-17 06:57:35 PM

natural316: Well when you forego college and give yourself a 4 year head start, with his talents, yes it's pretty reachable


Yeah, was going to say the same. Extremely talented and he went NBA right out of HS. He was massively hyped and he was able to live up to it.
 
2013-01-17 07:21:44 PM

IAmRight: He's not going to be approaching 5000 assists at anywhere near the same rate, however.


I just want to point out that by the time Westbrook dribbles the shot clock down to 5 seconds, if Durant gets the ball, about all he has time to do is shoot it. It's pretty amazing Durant has any assists at all.
 
2013-01-17 07:44:07 PM

Champion of the Sun: 88 is also the number neo-nazis use to denote their worship of Hitler. H being the eighth letter of the alphabet, HH=Heil Hitler. I'm guessing this is just a troll account whose owner decided to just use it as a regular account instead. Or his dad was a huge racist and the 88 just rubbed on him by osmosis.


There are also 88 keys on a standard piano.

/That is all
 
2013-01-17 08:47:14 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: There are also 88 keys on a standard piano.

/That is all


Metroid Prime 3: Corruption also got an 8.8 out of 10 on GameSpot.

I bet you that's where he got the idea from.
 
2013-01-17 09:46:14 PM

JohnnyRebel88: I said, and will state again that it is MY Opinion that the 86 Celtics could and would wipe the floor with teams of the now.


It's my opinion that my intramural basketball team would destroy the '86 Celtics and every team in the history of basketball. My opinion is about as based in reality as yours, btw.
 
2013-01-17 10:39:55 PM

JerseyTim: He beat the next youngest, Kobe, also a high-school draftee, by well over a year.


It's pretty obvious that LeBron will retire being seen as a good deal better than Kobe, only Laker fans and the most hardcore LeBron haters would deny that.
 
2013-01-17 10:47:00 PM

JohnnyRebel88: Champion of the Sun: 88 is also the number neo-nazis use to denote their worship of Hitler. H being the eighth letter of the alphabet, HH=Heil Hitler. I'm guessing this is just a troll account whose owner decided to just use it as a regular account instead. Or his dad was a huge racist and the 88 just rubbed on him by osmosis.

And 7 denotes Jesus Christ, but why is it the most desired number in every slot machine? If you get 3 of them, you win the jackpot. What does Jesus have to do with gambling? You got it genius, that's what 88 means. How would you know that unless you were a nazi yourself?


Numb ...


When did I ever claim not to be a nazi? I just thought I recognized a brother in arms and wanted to let the rest of the thread know how proud we were of our race. Although I think you tipped everyone off with your love of the '86 celts. I love a monkey ball team that is that white too. I'm a bit wary of Larry bird though, that curly hair makes me wonder about the purity of his blood.
 
2013-01-18 01:24:50 AM

JohnnyRebel88: Football is all about throwing downfield and changed as much, and most teams have abandoned the running game all together.


WUT?


i140.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-18 09:05:47 AM

Mr. Chow: JohnnyRebel88: Football is all about throwing downfield and changed as much, and most teams have abandoned the running game all together.

WUT?


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Agreed, and he is the reason I won my Fantasy team. He defines the term "outlier".
 
2013-01-18 10:32:15 AM

JohnnyRebel88: it is MY Opinion that the 86 Celtics could and would wipe the floor with teams of the now.


I have to agree with IAmRight. (Did I just say that?) There is no way that the 1986 Celtics, or the 4-4-4 Sixers, or the 1996 Bulls would stand a chance against the worst team in the NBA today. The players are bigger, stronger, faster, smarter in the intricacies of the game, and would make them look like fools. That's just a fact. Just like the "Perfect Season" Miami Dolphins would go 0-16 if they played in the NFL today.

Hate him all you want, LBJ is a basketball god amongst men, and I don't even LIKE NBA basketball anymore.
 
2013-01-18 10:56:53 AM

qsblues: There is no way that the 1986 Celtics, or the 4-4-4 Sixers, or the 1996 Bulls would stand a chance against the worst team in the NBA today.


I didn't say they wouldn't stand a chance. I think it could be an entertaining game if they were brought back at their peaks. And I'd give the '86 team the advantage if they got everyone at their peak, got to benefit from current knowledge of the game, training techniques, etc. Of course they would - there were 23 teams then. They'd just instituted the salary cap, so they had a lot of guys that they wouldn't have been able to have later.

It's not because they played harder and/or smarter, it's because the top teams were more easily able to amass talent compared to what they can do today. Look at the Heat and Lakers, who are supposedly the epitome of the star-driven market - the Heat have a hell of a lot of issues with their team. If they didn't have LeBron, who leads the team in virtually everything, offensively and defensively, they're borderline as to whether they make the playoffs or not.
 
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