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2013-01-17 11:13:07 AM

Pincy: The obscene videos included a video approximately two hours in length of a female engaging in sex acts involving human bodily waste and a video one hour and 37 minutes in length of a female engaged in sex acts with animals.

Animals can't consent. Fark this guy if he thinks that's art.


It is well know that dolphins will make sexual advances toward humans.
 
2013-01-17 11:14:16 AM

Evil Mackerel: Tyrone Slothrop: So are they going to ban Salò now?

I thought it was.


not yet
 
2013-01-17 11:16:32 AM

pdee: We should remember at one time a majority of people in the country would have just as offended by the suggestion that interracial marriage should be allowed as people are today by his videos.

Just because some people are offended by something does not mean it should be prohibited.


You can argue that there should be no bans on obscenity.  Or, you can argue that nothing is truly obscene.

What you can't argue is that some things are obscene but that the stuff this guy does isn't.
 
2013-01-17 11:16:48 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Animals can't consent. Fark this guy if he thinks that's art.

It is well know that dolphins will make sexual advances toward humans.


So do frat boys, but it still doesn't mean they understand what humans do.
 
2013-01-17 11:20:39 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: Pincy: The obscene videos included a video approximately two hours in length of a female engaging in sex acts involving human bodily waste and a video one hour and 37 minutes in length of a female engaged in sex acts with animals.

Animals can't consent. Fark this guy if he thinks that's art.

It is well know that dolphins will make sexual advances toward humans.


So do 14 year olds, sometimes. That doesn't make it alright to take them up on it.
 
2013-01-17 11:47:16 AM

spman: I disagree, and I'm a big first amendment supporter. To me, this is up there with something like Bum Fights, there has to be SOME limit somewhere, even if it's at the most extreme like this stuff is. When the activity goes beyond free speech, and borders on being dangerous to the participants, it has to be stopped.


Motor racing.
Boxing.
Football.
Soccer.
Skiing.
Heck... let's just outlaw all sports.
 
2013-01-17 12:05:18 PM

DrPainMD: spman: I disagree, and I'm a big first amendment supporter. To me, this is up there with something like Bum Fights, there has to be SOME limit somewhere, even if it's at the most extreme like this stuff is. When the activity goes beyond free speech, and borders on being dangerous to the participants, it has to be stopped.

Motor racing.
Boxing.
Football.
Soccer.
Skiing.
Heck... let's just outlaw all sports.


We've covered this. In all of those activities the participants take precautionary measure to ensure their safety. You can't ingest feces in an uncontrolled environment without landing in the hospital where my taxpayer dollars are going to pay treat your uninsured ass for salmonella. When people get injured or die doing those things, it's as a result of an unforeseen accident which often times could not be prevented. When you get hepatitis and die from ingesting feces, it's not an accident, it's the natural result that comes about from eating feces!
 
2013-01-17 12:12:04 PM
Have these people even heard of the internet?
 
2013-01-17 12:12:16 PM

Bob Falfa: Looks like Grumpy Tommy Lee Jones to me.


From "Men in Black" to "Men Up Back", amirite?

/you'd be grumpy, too.
 
2013-01-17 12:22:14 PM
What he filmed may have been disgusting, to me & to most, but it harmed no one, why should it be illegal?
 
2013-01-17 12:25:57 PM

log_jammin: you know....in a way...you basically just said as long as we have capital punishment then pedophilia is ok.


Just as long as we don't have men and women dancing in the same room.

pkellmey: So do frat boys, but it still doesn't mean they understand what humans do.


You're implying fratboys know what they are doing? No wait, I need coffee.
 
2013-01-17 12:33:50 PM

spman: I can't even fathom a way in which scat porn would actually be legit, how a person could even tolerate the smell, much less perform any sort of activity with it is beyond my ability to comprehend. The fact that you never read about these Brazilian women getting salmonella and hepatitis and dying leads me to believe most of it is fake. I think the government even tried to prosecute the US distributor for the 2 Girls 1 Cup movie, and even he admitted that it was all fake, since they couldn't find women who would actually agree to do it.

As for the bestiality stuff, that I don't even want to know. All I can say is you must have one HELL of a drug habit to agree to participate in that stuff.


Some people willingly participate in these things. They are strange. Such things are disturbing, but people are like this.

What about disgusting things like anal sex and cunnilingus? That stuff is nasty and stomach churning to think about, should we ban that too?
 
2013-01-17 12:34:12 PM
Well, there are limits to anything.
 
2013-01-17 12:40:15 PM
spman: I'm saying it should be illegal because it's a dangerous activity that can't be done safely. If you eat, or hell just come in contact with human waste, at least in the sort of manner that you would in a porno, you WILL get sick, possibly fatally so. .

Mock26: [citation needed]


E. coli, which can cause death.
 
2013-01-17 12:40:45 PM

Manfred J. Hattan: publicly endorsed


Citizens United is about secret endorsements. No one has a problem with public endorsements and reasonable donations. We have a problem with completely unlimited donations and the secrecy of said donations.
 
2013-01-17 12:46:16 PM

borg: "Federal prosecutors had to try Isaacs three times before winning a conviction." WTF is this bullshiat ?. two hung (sic) juries before they found 12 self-righteous prudes.


This. Must be nice to have unlimited resources when you want to destroy someone just because they've offended your sensibilities.
 
2013-01-17 12:48:52 PM

bluefoxicy: cunnilingus? That stuff is nasty and stomach churning


Ummm..............
 
2013-01-17 12:55:35 PM

Tat'dGreaser: xanadian: Neither can I, to a point, but it seems to me that what's "obscene" enough to get a guilty verdict can vary from time to time. I'm not comfortable with the fact that moving the goal posts can result in someone becoming a felon. What becomes "obscene" tomorrow? Gay porn? Regular porn? Guys holding hands in the streets? All it takes is time to move public opinion one way or another. Fortunately, those goal posts have been moved in a more liberal direction over the past several years.

All I can think is what does this say about our society where in order to defend freedom of speech, we have to defend this guy?


I don't disagree with you on that point. :/
 
2013-01-17 12:58:46 PM

Loadmaster: Well, there are limits to anything.


Snuff films will still get you some jail time also
 
2013-01-17 01:12:02 PM

spman: DrPainMD: spman: I disagree, and I'm a big first amendment supporter. To me, this is up there with something like Bum Fights, there has to be SOME limit somewhere, even if it's at the most extreme like this stuff is. When the activity goes beyond free speech, and borders on being dangerous to the participants, it has to be stopped.

Motor racing.
Boxing.
Football.
Soccer.
Skiing.
Heck... let's just outlaw all sports.

We've covered this. In all of those activities the participants take precautionary measure to ensure their safety. You can't ingest feces in an uncontrolled environment without landing in the hospital where my taxpayer dollars are going to pay treat your uninsured ass for salmonella. When people get injured or die doing those things, it's as a result of an unforeseen accident which often times could not be prevented. When you get hepatitis and die from ingesting feces, it's not an accident, it's the natural result that comes about from eating feces!


So, you retract your earlier statement?

PS. How do you know they're not using pasteurized feces?
 
2013-01-17 01:24:24 PM

DrPainMD: spman: DrPainMD: spman: I disagree, and I'm a big first amendment supporter. To me, this is up there with something like Bum Fights, there has to be SOME limit somewhere, even if it's at the most extreme like this stuff is. When the activity goes beyond free speech, and borders on being dangerous to the participants, it has to be stopped.

Motor racing.
Boxing.
Football.
Soccer.
Skiing.
Heck... let's just outlaw all sports.

We've covered this. In all of those activities the participants take precautionary measure to ensure their safety. You can't ingest feces in an uncontrolled environment without landing in the hospital where my taxpayer dollars are going to pay treat your uninsured ass for salmonella. When people get injured or die doing those things, it's as a result of an unforeseen accident which often times could not be prevented. When you get hepatitis and die from ingesting feces, it's not an accident, it's the natural result that comes about from eating feces!

So, you retract your earlier statement?

PS. How do you know they're not using pasteurized feces?


Your taking my statement out of context. The activities you listed have the potential to be dangerous if you don't take precaution to be safe. Any activity can be dangerous if you don't take precaution to be safe. There are no precautions that can be taken to be safe when it comes to eating poo.
 
2013-01-17 01:28:28 PM
Well, I think we can all agree this guy is no farking Lenny Bruce.

Or can we?
 
2013-01-17 01:29:50 PM

spman: We've covered this. In all of those activities the participants take precautionary measure to ensure their safety. You can't ingest feces in an uncontrolled environment without landing in the hospital where my taxpayer dollars are going to pay treat your uninsured ass for salmonella. When people get injured or die doing those things, it's as a result of an unforeseen accident which often times could not be prevented. When you get hepatitis and die from ingesting feces, it's not an accident, it's the natural result that comes about from eating feces!


Since when does ingesting e. coli guarantee a hospital trip for a healthy adult? And why did you toss in the weasel phrase "uncontrolled environment" as if there aren't multiple safety practices that can be undertaken? And who would think sustaining an injury because you were repeatedly being punched in the head or did flips off a 60 ft. ski ramp at 75mph was "unforseeable"? And why is it okay to arbitrarily assume that none of these people have insurance or the ability to pay for medical care? And since when can't a person be tested for Hepatitis A? Or vaccinated?

For somebody who's so worried about shiat, you sure seem inclined to deal in it.
 
2013-01-17 01:31:39 PM

casual disregard: Nevermind the content, depraved as it is. We just became a non-free society through this decision.


"First they came for the shiat-eating pornos, but I said nothing because I didn't eat shiat in pornos..."
 
2013-01-17 01:53:19 PM

bluefoxicy: What about disgusting things like anal sex and cunnilingus? That stuff is nasty and stomach churning to think about, should we ban that too?


What kind of prude are you?
 
2013-01-17 02:11:31 PM

xanadian: Tat'dGreaser: I just can't seem to muster any sympathy for him.

Neither can I, to a point, but it seems to me that what's "obscene" enough to get a guilty verdict can vary from time to time. I'm not comfortable with the fact that moving the goal posts can result in someone becoming a felon. What becomes "obscene" tomorrow? Gay porn? Regular porn? Guys holding hands in the streets? All it takes is time to move public opinion one way or another. Fortunately, those goal posts have been moved in a more liberal direction over the past several years.


Probably didn't help that the Supreme Court's position on the matter is "I'll know it when I see it."
 
2013-01-17 02:18:35 PM

BronyMedic: bluefoxicy: What about disgusting things like anal sex and cunnilingus? That stuff is nasty and stomach churning to think about, should we ban that too?

What kind of prude are you?


Allie Brosh is on extended leave but there are plenty of other sources of hyperbole on the Internet.
 
2013-01-17 02:20:35 PM

Loren: No, the prosecutor only gets one shot (although you can face both state and federal charges--they're different crimes), taking three tries would mean that two attempts resulted in trials that couldn't complete--presumably hung juries. Once you are declared innocent that's it, they can't try you again no matter what. (Something that I actually disagree with a bit--I would say that if you are later convicted of tampering with your trial the not guilty becomes a mistrial instead and they can try you again.


Hung jury means that there was some doubt as to the guilt of the accused. If you can't be clearly proven to be guilty, then you have to be let go. retrial from hung-jury should not exist.

If the prosecutor was not able to make their case the first time convincingly, why do they keep allowing them to try it again and again. If you are allowed to retry over and over again, eventually getting to a guilty verdict, no matter the case, is inevitable because thats just how juries work ( jury selection is little more than a game of roulette). How is that fair???
 
2013-01-17 02:20:43 PM

BronyMedic: I used to think I'd never FARK note someone in red 5 as "Beastialty Apologist".

Clearly those days are over. Sighs of the Apocalypse, man.


Then you really don't want to know what you're FARK noted as!
/cyan 3
 
2013-01-17 02:46:46 PM
Evidence presented at trial established that beginning in or about 1999 and continuing until at least 2011, Isaacs, doing business under the name LA. Media, operated numerous websites, through which he advertised and sold obscene videos that he acquired from other people. The obscene videos included a video approximately two hours in length of a female engaging in sex acts involving human bodily waste

This is an outrage! How DARE they put him in jail just for doing something they don't like. I don't like scat either, so I don't do it or watch it. But unless he held a gun to someone's head to force them to do it or something jail is completely out of line here, in a free society.

and a video one hour and 37 minutes in length of a female engaged in sex acts with animals.

Oh, well... uhhhhh... That's totally different then. In that case I guess he really *should* be going to jail then. Nevermind.
 
2013-01-17 03:03:21 PM

Loadmaster: spman: I'm saying it should be illegal because it's a dangerous activity that can't be done safely. If you eat, or hell just come in contact with human waste, at least in the sort of manner that you would in a porno, you WILL get sick, possibly fatally so. .

Mock26: [citation needed]

E. coli, which can cause death.


chesus christ, people I already said upthread that it wasnt true. It isn't . I can't speak for a goddamned four course meal, but I know lots of girls that have taken a little spunky A2M lots of times...LOTS of times with no adverse side effects. So...whatever. LOL "just come in contact with human waste..." lmao
 
2013-01-17 03:06:18 PM
Put him in the cell with the Girls Gone Wild guy. I am sure they have a lot to talk about.
 
2013-01-17 03:16:42 PM
More mysterious, vague "crimes" the Fed can charge anybody with.
 
2013-01-17 03:20:51 PM
Of course the First Amendment died long ago, but today I'm embarrassed to call myself an American. It's bad enough that movies have been censored for almost a century, but it's a quantum leap from censorship to prison sentences handed out to filmmakers who produce movies that we find revolting. Since when is it a crime to offend, and since when has there been a right not to be offended?

On the other hand, am I being hypocritical if I still believe in prison sentences for people who make and distribute kiddy-porn?
 
2013-01-17 03:22:58 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC: Take a moment and consider its implications. First thing to consider is that: "Either you own you or somebody else does."


Anyone who thinks that freedom is a binary proposition, and not a spectrum has not in any way shape or form considered any "implications". They just want a bumper sticker slogan. I will direct you back to Socrates, in particular the Gorgias dialog as a starting point for showing that your simplistic definitions were utterly demolished over 2000 years ago.
 
2013-01-17 03:29:09 PM

Madbassist1: Loadmaster: spman: I'm saying it should be illegal because it's a dangerous activity that can't be done safely. If you eat, or hell just come in contact with human waste, at least in the sort of manner that you would in a porno, you WILL get sick, possibly fatally so. .

Mock26: [citation needed]

E. coli, which can cause death.

chesus christ, people I already said upthread that it wasnt true. It isn't . I can't speak for a goddamned four course meal, but I know lots of girls that have taken a little spunky A2M lots of times...LOTS of times with no adverse side effects. So...whatever. LOL "just come in contact with human waste..." lmao


Ingesting the e.coli from your own feces isn't likely to cause you any real problems, since, well, it came out of you to start with, so you're already loaded with it! It's only potentially problematic when you ingest someone else's strain of e.coli, though it probably will only be an issue if they're sick themselves due to being infected with a harmful strain... I think it's more likely to cause harm if it's feces from another species entirely, which may be adjusted to living with strains that are perfectly harmless to them but potentially harmful to us...

I'd think the biggest risk regarding porn activities combined with feces would be possible urinary tract infections...

/What a surreal thread this is...
 
2013-01-17 03:32:16 PM

PirateKing: "I don't want to be Harriet TubMAN... change it to Tubgirl!"


One of many 30 Rock jokes that is funny because of a current Internet meme, but won't work as well in syndication 10 years from now.

/the entire Simpsons family stands up and dances, singing "I feel like Chicken Tonight..."
 
2013-01-17 03:44:44 PM

HMS_Blinkin: Manfred J. Hattan: publicly endorsed

Citizens United is about secret endorsements. No one has a problem with public endorsements and reasonable donations. We have a problem with completely unlimited donations and the secrecy of said donations.


See, you're merely one of the stupid ones, not the anti-freedom ones. The only places where Citizens addressed any disclosure provisions at all, it upheld them. It also left undisturbed the ban on direct contributions by non-natural persons to candidates.
 
2013-01-17 04:13:58 PM
The conservative in me says let degenerates be degenerates.
 
2013-01-17 05:10:00 PM
Federal prosecutors had to try Isaacs three times before winning a conviction.

This is disturbing.

Also: SWAP.avi
 
2013-01-17 05:10:53 PM

BronyMedic: orclover: What they did was disgusting, all of them. First amendment just took a hit to the balls and OH LOOK A GUN THREAD PAY ATTENTIONTOTHATOHGODOHGOD!!

In 10 years when you are asking yourself what the hell happend to your rights, remember this moment, when you were not paying attention.

Two mistrials are a violation of his constitutional rights?


It's possible. I don't have the cash to pay for one trial right now, but I might be able to take a loan.

Second trial, my lawyer would abandon my case since I won't be able to pay. Job is gone due to missed work.

Third trial? I'm certainly bankrupt by this point. Meanwhile the prosecutor is being paid to do this.
 
2013-01-17 05:11:20 PM
Maybe they were doing medical research?

Fecal matter transplant cures diarrhea
 
2013-01-17 05:13:22 PM

casual disregard: Nevermind the content, depraved as it is. We just became a non-free society through this decision.


No, that happened when Max Hardcore went to jail.
 
2013-01-17 05:20:58 PM

BronyMedic: bluefoxicy: What about disgusting things like anal sex and cunnilingus? That stuff is nasty and stomach churning to think about, should we ban that too?

What kind of prude are you?


That's the point. Obscenity is undefined until conviction or acquittal occurs.

Obscenity means if you get a jury of ignorant homophobes, anal sex magically becomes obscene. One guy could cause a hung jury and the prosecutor gets to try again.
 
2013-01-17 05:26:02 PM

thelordofcheese: No, that happened when Max Hardcore went to jail.


If Max Hardcore was in jail, then how did he still make public appearances as "The Reverend Fred Phelps"?
 
2013-01-17 06:12:02 PM
a57.foxnews.com  images.tvrage.com
 
2013-01-17 06:21:47 PM

kim jong-un: BronyMedic: orclover: What they did was disgusting, all of them. First amendment just took a hit to the balls and OH LOOK A GUN THREAD PAY ATTENTIONTOTHATOHGODOHGOD!!

In 10 years when you are asking yourself what the hell happend to your rights, remember this moment, when you were not paying attention.

Two mistrials are a violation of his constitutional rights?

It's possible. I don't have the cash to pay for one trial right now, but I might be able to take a loan.

Second trial, my lawyer would abandon my case since I won't be able to pay. Job is gone due to missed work.

Third trial? I'm certainly bankrupt by this point. Meanwhile the prosecutor is being paid to do this.


Here is an example of what happens when you don't have cash to fight the unlimited resources of the prosecutor:

Lawyer quits Zumba-Prostitute case 1 week before trial because client can't pay.
 
2013-01-17 06:27:14 PM

Tyrone Slothrop: Pincy: The obscene videos included a video approximately two hours in length of a female engaging in sex acts involving human bodily waste and a video one hour and 37 minutes in length of a female engaged in sex acts with animals.

Animals can't consent. Fark this guy if he thinks that's art.

It is well know that dolphins will make sexual advances toward humans.


So you're telling me these videos were filmed underwater?
 
2013-01-17 06:38:07 PM
Lots of animal farkers on Fark, apparently.
 
2013-01-17 06:40:42 PM

kim jong-un: Obscenity means if you get a jury of ignorant homophobes, anal sex magically becomes obscene. One guy could cause a hung jury and the prosecutor gets to try again.


One thing I've noticed is that by the time you're entering the 3rd trial for a single offense/incident, the issue at stake is generally muddy enough that you shouldn't be trying in the first place.

Stuff like this, the gentleman using faked prescriptions to treat a real pain problem(and convicted as a dealer due to the sheer amount!), etc...
 
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