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2013-01-17 08:17:12 AM

Tat'dGreaser: xanadian: Neither can I, to a point, but it seems to me that what's "obscene" enough to get a guilty verdict can vary from time to time. I'm not comfortable with the fact that moving the goal posts can result in someone becoming a felon. What becomes "obscene" tomorrow? Gay porn? Regular porn? Guys holding hands in the streets? All it takes is time to move public opinion one way or another. Fortunately, those goal posts have been moved in a more liberal direction over the past several years.

All I can think is what does this say about our society where in order to defend freedom of speech, we have to defend this guy?


In the past we had to defend free speech the rights of the Klan. Currently we have to defend the free speech rights of the Westborro Church. It sucks and it turns my stomach, but in order to enjoy free speech and expression, sometimes we have to defend some of the most disgusting forms of it.
 
2013-01-17 08:17:13 AM

ariosto: Meh. Everyone knows swap.avi was better.


horsegag.avi

with sound up full
 
2013-01-17 08:17:40 AM
media.reason.com

Leaving that woman unexploited is making that Native American cry!
 
2013-01-17 08:24:32 AM

xanadian: Tat'dGreaser: I just can't seem to muster any sympathy for him.

Neither can I, to a point, but it seems to me that what's "obscene" enough to get a guilty verdict can vary from time to time. I'm not comfortable with the fact that moving the goal posts can result in someone becoming a felon. What becomes "obscene" tomorrow? Gay porn? Regular porn? Guys holding hands in the streets? All it takes is time to move public opinion one way or another. Fortunately, those goal posts have been moved in a more liberal direction over the past several years.


FTA:

In practice, you find out whether you committed it only after you have been arrested and prosecuted

That's the biggest, scariest part of the article for me right here. I didn't read all of Miller v. California but the test:

- The average person, applying local community standards, looking at the work in its entirety, appeals to the prurient interest.
- The work must describe or depict, in an obviously offensive way, sexual conduct or excretory functions.
- The work as a whole must lack "serious literary, artistic, political, or scientific values".

doesn't meet what I would consider a tandard for objectivity and consistency. There's no way a filmmaker in some backroom in LA can predict what a Mormon enclave in Utah (the "local community") would think of his work. It could be argued that anyone who was so profoundly offended by this work couldn't honestly swear that it "appeals to the prurient interest" because what makes it offensive (namely the poo) precludes their finding it arousing.

Also, wouldn't this be an ex post facto charge? Could the filmmaker not argue that an average person in his local community at that time would not have found the work offensive?
 
2013-01-17 08:27:30 AM
Subby should have used the hero tag for this selfless man fighting on all our behalves for the freedom of genuine artistic expression.
 
2013-01-17 08:27:38 AM
I admit that I had forgotten that obscenity charges were even a thing anymore. It is like when you hear of someone being charged with adultery or sodomy. It seems like a throw-back to the 50s.
 
2013-01-17 08:30:16 AM

pkellmey: Uchiha_Cycliste: I absolutely can not accept that someone on the other side of the world could lead a completely selfless life, entirely filled with love for their common man; essentially followed in Jesus's footsteps exactly, but since that person has never ever heard of Jesus they are damned. That's bullshiat.

Considering that is not a Catholic teaching, you pretty much left because you were uninformed. It happens.


Well shiat, I guess the priest I talked too was uninformed too.You want to elaborate? It's the core Christian doctrine that the only way into Heaven is through Jesus. Specifically, an adult must receive the sacraments, especially communion. That's what we were taught and the priests I spoke with reinforced.
 
2013-01-17 08:32:28 AM
i266.photobucket.com

Missing the teardrop.
 
2013-01-17 08:36:41 AM
thehomestarmy.com

now in 3D!!!!!
 
2013-01-17 08:39:47 AM

ongbok: In the past we had to defend free speech the rights of the Klan. Currently we have to defend the free speech rights of the Westborro Church. It sucks and it turns my stomach, but in order to enjoy free speech and expression, sometimes we have to defend some of the most disgusting forms of it.


Yea I know, just my opinion and all that. The f*cked up thing? I can actually understand the racists and the hate mongers but the people eating poop? Nope, can't figure it out.
 
2013-01-17 08:42:13 AM
kim jong-un
Carth: liam76:


Goes beyond free speech? Unless it directly incites violence it isn't beyond free speech. As long as they are willing participants, govt should be hands off.

How do you determine if someone is a willing participant? If they are coerced, mislead, under mental distress, or under the influence of any drugs does that negate consent?

Holy shiat, how does anyone determine if anyone is a willing participant?

How the fark do I know if the bus driver driving my bus isn't being coerced, misled, under mental distress (duress I think you mean?)


Awesome point! I'm being coerced by the power company, the water company and several banks to show up for work. Hey, as long as the boss hears the keyboard clacking, she thinks I'm building damn LiveCycle form. Truth is, I already built the damn forms but I post one every couple of days. Plus, I have web pages compiling! You know web pages don't compile and I know that web pages don't compile. But the boss doesn't know. And knowledge is power.

I have to go and pay tribute to one of my many evil oppressors, the Credit Union, this afternoon. If I don't they'll take away the wife's car and put a hurt on me called a 'lien'. Because the car isn't worth what is owed. I'd love to be free and sit in the middle of a big green field and shoot flare guns at passing jet liners but I can't I have to sit here and act busy. Well, back to the grind. Julie from Accounting should be walking in from the parking lot and I don't want to miss those legs.
I'm just takin' what they're givin' cause I'm working for a living.
 
2013-01-17 08:59:06 AM
www.gramlingville.com
 
2013-01-17 09:01:58 AM

LemSkroob: Its funny, you are only allowed one chance to defend yourself, but you can be dragged into a courtroom over and over again. All the prosecutor needs is to win one game, and they have the series, but the defense needs to have a perfect record and win every game.


Yes, isnt' this technically double jeapordy?
 
2013-01-17 09:03:28 AM
I used to think I'd never FARK note someone in red 5 as "Beastialty Apologist".

Clearly those days are over. Sighs of the Apocalypse, man.
 
2013-01-17 09:04:28 AM
Lookup Hitler reacts to 2 girls 1 cup on you tube, its rather funny.
 
2013-01-17 09:05:31 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: pkellmey: Uchiha_Cycliste: I absolutely can not accept that someone on the other side of the world could lead a completely selfless life, entirely filled with love for their common man; essentially followed in Jesus's footsteps exactly, but since that person has never ever heard of Jesus they are damned. That's bullshiat.

Considering that is not a Catholic teaching, you pretty much left because you were uninformed. It happens.

Well shiat, I guess the priest I talked too was uninformed too.You want to elaborate? It's the core Christian doctrine that the only way into Heaven is through Jesus. Specifically, an adult must receive the sacraments, especially communion. That's what we were taught and the priests I spoke with reinforced.


You must have talked to a pre-vatican II priest, because that's not Catholic Teaching. Not at all. Last Easter Mass we had someone who converted from Islam to Catholicism. She said she was worried about whether her mother would enter heaven, and Father told her that "yes, of course she is in heaven". Good works are more important than faith in many cases. You do not need to be religious to enter heaven, according to Church Doctrine.
 
2013-01-17 09:06:35 AM

GungFu: What I'm getting from this thread:

1. Urgh, poop. Gross. But it's not harming anyone, so...
2. Doggy Sex. Urgh, sentient being. Not consensual. Kill the bastard.

Well, about the doggy not being cogniscent of choice:

[www.howpilgrim.com image 320x304][v025o.popscreen.com image 480x360]
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 198x300] [t2.gstatic.com image 286x176]

Dogs will fark humans if given the chance. Fact. Some let it. And Die:

Woman Dies of Allergic Reaction to the Dog She Had Sex With [Image of a woman and a dog that did not have sex via Shutterstock]


My damn co-worker came to my desk just as I'm scrolling past a collage of dogs humping legs. Lol.

/Smh
 
2013-01-17 09:08:31 AM

casual disregard:

No, fark your limits. I refuse to accept that answer.

I cannot state this more strongly. My government has no place in regulating speech. You have no place in regulating freedom.


Animal abuse is not covered under the 1st Amendment, there's no rights for that. Poop....have at it.
 
2013-01-17 09:10:04 AM

Snatch Bandergrip: Activity between two consenting human adults, however obscene, should not be illegal.


Obscenity is considered illegal under US law
 
2013-01-17 09:11:40 AM

Rockstone: Uchiha_Cycliste: pkellmey: Uchiha_Cycliste: I absolutely can not accept that someone on the other side of the world could lead a completely selfless life, entirely filled with love for their common man; essentially followed in Jesus's footsteps exactly, but since that person has never ever heard of Jesus they are damned. That's bullshiat.

Considering that is not a Catholic teaching, you pretty much left because you were uninformed. It happens.

Well shiat, I guess the priest I talked too was uninformed too.You want to elaborate? It's the core Christian doctrine that the only way into Heaven is through Jesus. Specifically, an adult must receive the sacraments, especially communion. That's what we were taught and the priests I spoke with reinforced.

You must have talked to a pre-vatican II priest, because that's not Catholic Teaching. Not at all. Last Easter Mass we had someone who converted from Islam to Catholicism. She said she was worried about whether her mother would enter heaven, and Father told her that "yes, of course she is in heaven". Good works are more important than faith in many cases. You do not need to be religious to enter heaven, according to Church Doctrine.


That's pretty awesome. And not to be a prick, but can you provide some citation? I've always been told (as I said) that the sacraments were necessary for salvation.
Thank you for correcting my misconceptions, on an unrelated not I really wish the church had dealt with the sexual abuse issues differently. Even considering my waning belief in a higher power, sometimes I miss being part of the Church, but I can't in good conscience support that organization.
 
2013-01-17 09:12:11 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: spman: When the activity goes beyond free speech, and borders on being dangerous to the participants, it has to be stopped.


You guys are talking about shooting AWs, right?
 
2013-01-17 09:12:46 AM

zekeburger: I hope the jurors don't ever see Hot Kinky Jo. I've seen a few of her videos and am still trying to figure out how she does it.


Her butthole is a Tardis.
 
2013-01-17 09:14:00 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Well shiat, I guess the priest I talked too was uninformed too.You want to elaborate? It's the core Christian doctrine that the only way into Heaven is through Jesus. Specifically, an adult must receive the sacraments, especially communion. That's what we were taught and the priests I spoke with reinforced.


It's not unusual for people to make stuff up when they don't know the real teaching, even if you are part of the religious life. This was especially true for many of the older generations. Per the Catechism: 848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

You can read around that quote in the source to figure out how they get there, but the Church believes that they are required to spread the teachings and faith in order to more easily give people the graces to get to heaven. However, if you don't believe for some reason on your own, due to past negative experiences with religion, or you were simply ignorant of Jesus, you can still attain heaven through special graces that God may give outside the Church. So, it is the easier versus more difficult path to heaven. They are being specific that it is not that you simply reject the teachings, but that through ignorance or being misled is what causes the issue.
 
2013-01-17 09:14:44 AM

GavinTheAlmighty: zekeburger: I hope the jurors don't ever see Hot Kinky Jo. I've seen a few of her videos and am still trying to figure out how she does it.

Her butthole is a Tardis.


SO THAT'S HOW OBAMA CHANGES THINGS SO MUCH!
 
2013-01-17 09:18:55 AM

pkellmey: Uchiha_Cycliste: Well shiat, I guess the priest I talked too was uninformed too.You want to elaborate? It's the core Christian doctrine that the only way into Heaven is through Jesus. Specifically, an adult must receive the sacraments, especially communion. That's what we were taught and the priests I spoke with reinforced.


Sorry, source link problems.
 
2013-01-17 09:23:06 AM

pkellmey: Uchiha_Cycliste: Well shiat, I guess the priest I talked too was uninformed too.You want to elaborate? It's the core Christian doctrine that the only way into Heaven is through Jesus. Specifically, an adult must receive the sacraments, especially communion. That's what we were taught and the priests I spoke with reinforced.

It's not unusual for people to make stuff up when they don't know the real teaching, even if you are part of the religious life. This was especially true for many of the older generations. Per the Catechism: 848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."

You can read around that quote in the source to figure out how they get there, but the Church believes that they are required to spread the teachings and faith in order to more easily give people the graces to get to heaven. However, if you don't believe for some reason on your own, due to past negative experiences with religion, or you were simply ignorant of Jesus, you can still attain heaven through special graces that God may give outside the Church. So, it is the easier versus more difficult path to heaven. They are being specific that it is not that you simply reject the teachings, but that through ignorance or being misled is what causes the issue.


That's awesome. And I am guessing that was a Papal Edict. Also, you were right, I had spoken with quite old priests. The kind that shuffle around with their daily parishioners, not the youthful energetic ones that hold Saturday evening r Sunday Mass, I could only really go talk to em on weekdays and I targeted arriving after the daily morning mass. Thanks!
 
2013-01-17 09:36:13 AM
spman:
I'm not saying anything about it being gross. I'm saying it should be illegal because it's a dangerous activity that can't be done safely. If you eat, or hell just come in contact with human waste, at least in the sort of manner that you would in a porno, you WILL get sick, possibly fatally so. Find me a scenario where you are eating human shiat and not getting ill, and I will agree it should be legal.

Actually this isnt true. Its dangerous to eat shiat that came from someone else, but not your own. There's a chance of illness, but not major league disease.

[the more you know.jpg]
 
2013-01-17 09:40:30 AM

casual disregard: Nevermind the content, depraved as it is. We just became a non-free society through this decision.


He's a nasty freak, so I don't give a fark. You can find people depraved or desperate enough to do anything. It still doesn't mean that you aren't preying on them. If he's an "artist" and this free expression of ideas means so much to him, how come he isn't making movies of himself eating shiat and farking animals?

Yeah, freedom, blah blah blah. fark him and fark all you perverts who enjoy looking at stuff like this. There's something wrong with you.
 
2013-01-17 09:41:01 AM
It's a sure sign of how annoying Fark has gotten with all the gun troll threads that one about diarrhea and dog dicks comes as a relief.
 
2013-01-17 09:41:28 AM

SevenizGud: How is it that OSHA doesn't apply? Engaging in sex acts with bodily waste? How can that not be forbidden by OSHA, whether it is "obscene" or not?

And it isn't the day America died. That day was Kelo v. New London.

It was when Obama was elected.

/FTFE
 
2013-01-17 09:42:15 AM

pkellmey: pkellmey: Uchiha_Cycliste: Well shiat, I guess the priest I talked too was uninformed too.You want to elaborate? It's the core Christian doctrine that the only way into Heaven is through Jesus. Specifically, an adult must receive the sacraments, especially communion. That's what we were taught and the priests I spoke with reinforced.

Sorry, source link problems.


It's fantastic, it almost perfectly reflects the conclusions I came to on my own XD. I has a glad.
 
2013-01-17 09:45:30 AM
pkellmey
I also really like that In the tab, to the right of "Catechism of the Catholic Church" Is the Sun* logo

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\\1.bp.blogspot.com
\\\I love(d) Sun
 
2013-01-17 09:46:41 AM
To the left, damnit, to the left... I feel like my sister now.

\Or my GF, but she has an excuse, Eye doctors constantly have to invert their L and R's
 
2013-01-17 09:52:36 AM
So... No Rule 34?
 
2013-01-17 09:53:15 AM
The DOJ: We can't keep out the illegals, prosecute corrupt banks or bankers, or keep track of the guns ....but don't YOU BE LOOKIN AT DA PORNOS or we GIT U!
 
2013-01-17 09:56:06 AM
Federal prosecutors had to try Isaacs three times before winning a conviction. According to Morality in Media, Isaacs' sentence "sends a strong message to the porn industry and to the U.S. Department of Justice that the sexual exploitation of women by pornographers is wrong that if we dont like what your doing morally then we will EVENTUALLY put you prison for something, no matter what the law actually is."

What they did was disgusting, all of them. First amendment just took a hit to the balls and OH LOOK A GUN THREAD PAY ATTENTIONTOTHATOHGODOHGOD!!

In 10 years when you are asking yourself what the hell happend to your rights, remember this moment, when you were not paying attention.
 
2013-01-17 10:04:42 AM
That film ruined soft serve ice cream and peanut butter pie for me forever.
 
2013-01-17 10:06:34 AM

orclover: Federal prosecutors had to try Isaacs three times before winning a conviction. According to Morality in Media, Isaacs' sentence "sends a strong message to the porn industry and to the U.S. Department of Justice that the sexual exploitation of women by pornographers is wrong that if we dont like what your doing morally then we will EVENTUALLY put you prison for something, no matter what the law actually is."

What they did was disgusting, all of them. First amendment just took a hit to the balls and OH LOOK A GUN THREAD PAY ATTENTIONTOTHATOHGODOHGOD!!

In 10 years when you are asking yourself what the hell happend to your rights, remember this moment, when you were not paying attention.


I think I'll be remembering the Patriot act with more vitriol than this ruling.
 
2013-01-17 10:06:43 AM
encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-17 10:07:15 AM

Evil Mackerel: That film ruined soft serve ice cream and peanut butter pie for me forever.


that's shiatty.
 
2013-01-17 10:21:07 AM
Does anybody know if the Protestants, Baptists, Lex Lutherans or what have you are as lenient as the Catholics in this regard?
 
2013-01-17 10:23:34 AM

Manfred J. Hattan: casual disregard: Nevermind the content, depraved as it is. We just became a non-free society through this decision.

Meh. It'll get overturned on appeal. What will be interesting is to see how many people post in this thread defending this guys rights who also believe that his company should have been prosecuted if it had publicly endorsed someone for president. Those are the people who will make us a non-free society.


So if I invest a million dollars into a company thinking they will use that money to improve the company and make more money but instead they take my money with me having no say and give it to a politician I hate, that is "freedom".


Seems to me you think fraud or stealing is freedom.
 
2013-01-17 10:26:06 AM

1derful: So if an orangutan rapes a woman, it's a case of the woman abusing an orangutan? Or since the woman didn't consent, is it just mutual abuse?


All I know is that we should send a hammer-wielding plumber after that damn ape, in an attempt to rescue the woman!

www.arcade-museum.com
 
2013-01-17 10:31:43 AM
They shouldn't have thrown him in jail, but remember, he is not in trouble for making the videos, owning or watching them. He is in trouble for distributing them. Expressing yourself is one thing, but making a business out of this kind of shiat is another. I don't want to live in a country with shiat-eating animal-farking video empires. That's for places like Brazil, where I intentionally don't live because I like the developed world.
 
2013-01-17 10:36:58 AM

orclover: What they did was disgusting, all of them. First amendment just took a hit to the balls and OH LOOK A GUN THREAD PAY ATTENTIONTOTHATOHGODOHGOD!!

In 10 years when you are asking yourself what the hell happend to your rights, remember this moment, when you were not paying attention.


Two mistrials are a violation of his constitutional rights?
 
2013-01-17 10:39:01 AM

casual disregard: Nevermind the content, depraved as it is. We just became a non-free society through this decision.


The first case that I know of that involved a prison sentence for obscenity was in 1897. There may be some earlier. In any event, if imprisoning someone based on a subjective ruling of obscenity makes us a non-free society, we have been non-free since before the turn of the *previous* century, or longer.
 
2013-01-17 10:47:56 AM
We should remember at one time a majority of people in the country would have just as offended by the suggestion that interracial marriage should be allowed as people are today by his videos.

Just because some people are offended by something does not mean it should be prohibited.
 
2013-01-17 11:07:17 AM
So are they going to ban Salò now?
 
2013-01-17 11:08:34 AM
Am I the only person here that enjoyed 2 Girls 1 Cup? I still fap to it sometimes.
 
2013-01-17 11:12:42 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: So are they going to ban Salò now?


I thought it was.
 
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