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(io9)   A scientific look at inter-species banging on Earth and on Star Trek   (io9.com) divider line 63
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2013-01-16 09:52:00 PM  
Do not want.
images3.wikia.nocookie.net
Careful Earthlings, "Ketrasel White" is what they call roofies over there.
 
2013-01-17 12:39:28 AM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Do not want.
[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 363x405]
Careful Earthlings, "Ketrasel White" is what they call roofies over there.


I haven't seen that TNG ep in a long time, so the picture made me do some searching:

img.gawkerassets.com

That's the same actress who played the Founder leader on DS9. Ergo the Ancient Humanoids who seeded the galaxy were Founders!
 
2013-01-17 12:55:53 AM  
i236.photobucket.com

Would hit at warp factor 11.
 
2013-01-17 01:27:13 AM  

fusillade762: I haven't seen that TNG ep in a long time, so the picture made me do some searching:

[img.gawkerassets.com image 300x242]

That's the same actress who played the Founder leader on DS9.


I thought the same thing but didn't bother to check - thought it must just be the makeup.

Ergo the Ancient Humanoids who seeded the galaxy were Founders!

Oh I always knew I was seeded from primordial goo that was both male and female.
 
2013-01-17 01:34:18 AM  
Nobody's said M'Ress yet?
 
2013-01-17 01:39:36 AM  
it gets bigger?
www.nisbetfamily.co.uk
 
2013-01-17 05:52:01 AM  

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-17 05:54:16 AM  
Yes, humans with pointy ears and doughy faces are totally absurd! It's taking away from the realism of mile-long starships travelling faster than the speed of light with artificial gravity, transporters, replicators, made of non-existent materials and dozens of improbable particles....
 
2013-01-17 05:56:14 AM  
dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-01-17 06:31:24 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Yes, humans with pointy ears and doughy faces are totally absurd! It's taking away from the realism of mile-long starships travelling faster than the speed of light with artificial gravity, transporters, replicators, made of non-existent materials and dozens of improbable particles....


You just hate anything remotely resembling space travel or science fiction to the point it makes you bitter as all fark, don't you?
 
2013-01-17 06:41:08 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Yes, humans with pointy ears and doughy faces are totally absurd! It's taking away from the realism of mile-long starships travelling faster than the speed of light with artificial gravity, transporters, replicators, made of non-existent materials and dozens of improbable particles....


Oh, give it a farking rest, asshole.
 
2013-01-17 07:11:05 AM  
Captain Kirk is the only man in history whose little black book is written on a Pantone colour chart.
 
2013-01-17 08:05:40 AM  
It's called Willful suspension of disbelief.

It doesn't need to be 100% scientifically accurate to be enjoyable for the story elements.
 
2013-01-17 08:21:54 AM  
My son asked me the other day, "Who is the better badass, Bond or Kirk?"

I said no contest, it's Kirk. Because scoring with that green skinned girl.. That's badass.
 
2013-01-17 08:26:23 AM  
I never saw that episode and I'm glad. What a stupid, stupid concept.

Good thing Ridley Scott wouldn't crib from a terrible TNG episode eh?
 
2013-01-17 08:37:51 AM  
Mmm...Inter-species banging...

www.farscapecaps.com

/From the Anti-Trek!
 
2013-01-17 08:44:02 AM  

captainktainer: You just hate anything remotely resembling space travel or science fiction to the point it makes you bitter as all fark, don't you?


Ed Grubermann: Oh, give it a farking rest, asshole.


I figured everyone just had him on ignore by now. He never contributes a single positive thing to a thread, ever.
 
2013-01-17 08:49:04 AM  

President Merkin Muffley: It's called Willful suspension of disbelief.

It doesn't need to be 100% scientifically accurate to be enjoyable for the story elements.


It does help to stay within one genre, tho.
What separates science fiction from fantasy is how well it plays with real scientific concepts. Otherwise you end up writing about space wizards who use "inverse quantum tachyon streams" to blast each other instead of simply going with magic.

Star Trek started out as a planet of the hats morality play that was mostly fantasy.
It then devolved into a mess of bad science and techno babble that hurts ones brain.
They should have stuck with fantasy and skipped over the details.
It makes it easier to suspend our disbelieving when we don't have to swallow a poorly written backstory.
 
2013-01-17 09:10:09 AM  
It doesn't take a Betazoid to know what's on my mind.
 
2013-01-17 09:51:45 AM  
FTA: "Other groups may have a common ancestor, like humans and chimps, but they cannot mate."

Wait. This has been tested and verified? Some one went out there and tried to knock up a chimp? Was it peer reviewed? Did other scientists verify that scientist's claims by trying to do it too? That's disgusting!

Now if you will excuse me, I need to go and do a google video search.
 
2013-01-17 10:41:50 AM  

cgraves67: FTA: "Other groups may have a common ancestor, like humans and chimps, but they cannot mate."

Wait. This has been tested and verified? Some one went out there and tried to knock up a chimp? Was it peer reviewed? Did other scientists verify that scientist's claims by trying to do it too? That's disgusting!

Now if you will excuse me, I need to go and do a google video search.


How else do you think AIDS for started?
 
2013-01-17 10:42:31 AM  
GOT started. Damn autocorrect.
 
2013-01-17 11:00:19 AM  

slapmastered: Mmm...Inter-species banging...

[www.farscapecaps.com image 768x576]

/From the Anti-Trek!


Farscape FTW!
 
2013-01-17 11:01:03 AM  

slapmastered: Mmm...Inter-species banging...

[www.farscapecaps.com image 768x576]

/From the Anti-Trek!


But did you watch the PeaceKeeper Wars? Common ancestors there again.

// It doesn't have to be a choice between sci-fi or anti-anything
///star trek good
///star wars good
///Farscape good
///Firefly good
///Babylon 5 good
////Slashies awesome
 
2013-01-17 11:11:33 AM  
Interesting. I have apparently been living under a rock. I didn't realize that everyone hates that particular Trek episode. I rather liked that one.
 
2013-01-17 11:14:00 AM  

Ika7734: slapmastered: Mmm...Inter-species banging...

[www.farscapecaps.com image 768x576]

/From the Anti-Trek!

But did you watch the PeaceKeeper Wars? Common ancestors there again.

// It doesn't have to be a choice between sci-fi or anti-anything
///star trek good
///star wars good
///Farscape good
///Firefly good
///Babylon 5 good
////Slashies awesome


*mutters* Did I watch PKW...what kind of Scaper would I be if I didn't watch PKW? Hell, I even suffered through the damn comics (though I don't happen to consider them part of my personal canon)

Really, I was just using the thread as an excuse to post Farscape pics...particularly those involving a certain scrumptious Raven-Haired Goddess.

/Also, my comment regarding the "Anti-Trek" was mostly because Farscape styled itself that way; they took most of the common Sci-Fi tropes and turned them on their ears, and took a perverse sort of glee in doing so.
//"Out of Their Minds" is one of the finest examples of the "body-swap" trope that has ever been seen.
///Unnecessary triple-slashie!
 
2013-01-17 11:17:51 AM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Yes, humans with pointy ears and doughy faces are totally absurd! It's taking away from the realism of mile-long starships travelling faster than the speed of light with artificial gravity, transporters, replicators, made of non-existent materials and dozens of improbable particles....


All of those are possible if what we know about physics is wrong.

The biology in "The Chase", etc. is still not possible no matter how wrong our modern biology is. It does not even reach the standard of wrong.

Of course we can get even even worse by pointing out that all of those aliens also speak English. And the excuses for this such as universal translators, the TARDIS somehow translates it, etc. are just as nonsensical. Though they do make storytelling much easier. Spending the first 90% of each story trying to understand the language would get boring after awhile.
 
2013-01-17 11:21:25 AM  

slapmastered: Ika7734: slapmastered: Mmm...Inter-species banging...

[www.farscapecaps.com image 768x576]

/From the Anti-Trek!

But did you watch the PeaceKeeper Wars? Common ancestors there again.

// It doesn't have to be a choice between sci-fi or anti-anything
///star trek good
///star wars good
///Farscape good
///Firefly good
///Babylon 5 good
////Slashies awesome

*mutters* Did I watch PKW...what kind of Scaper would I be if I didn't watch PKW? Hell, I even suffered through the damn comics (though I don't happen to consider them part of my personal canon)

Really, I was just using the thread as an excuse to post Farscape pics...particularly those involving a certain scrumptious Raven-Haired Goddess.

/Also, my comment regarding the "Anti-Trek" was mostly because Farscape styled itself that way; they took most of the common Sci-Fi tropes and turned them on their ears, and took a perverse sort of glee in doing so.
//"Out of Their Minds" is one of the finest examples of the "body-swap" trope that has ever been seen.
///Unnecessary triple-slashie!


By all means continue with the image posting.

/Oh and do you have some chocolate... Sparky, short little buddy over here is running out.
 
2013-01-17 11:30:40 AM  
Gordon Bennett: Captain Kirk is the only man in history whose little black book is written on a Pantone colour chart.

Approves
t3.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-17 11:44:47 AM  

Ika7734: /Oh and do you have some chocolate... Sparky, short little buddy over here is running out.


Relevant to his interests...

Also, since we're on that episode...Just because I like you farkers...

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-17 11:57:24 AM  
StrangeQ:

captainktainer: You just hate anything remotely resembling space travel or science fiction to the point it makes you bitter as all fark, don't you?

Ed Grubermann: Oh, give it a farking rest, asshole.

I figured everyone just had him on ignore by now. He never contributes a single positive thing to a thread, ever.


Take his whining with a grain of salt... He's the one who posted on Fark how he plans to take a pill that will fix his failing eyesight, and says known engineering issues are impossible but fully expects to live hundreds of years through magic.

He didn't find an immortality pill under the tree this xmas (again,) and since then he's gone from amusing troll to full-on AW.

/ is not interested in banging 99.9999999999% of the things that evolved on *this* planet, doubt I'd want to bang something from a completely different evolution.
 
2013-01-17 11:57:29 AM  

slapmastered: Ika7734: /Oh and do you have some chocolate... Sparky, short little buddy over here is running out.

Relevant to his interests...

Also, since we're on that episode...Just because I like you farkers...

[25.media.tumblr.com image 489x750]


I always did like that episode, for multiple reasons. Too bad we don't see much of her anymore, she was quite the hotty back then.

/"You been stealing candy Mr. Burroughs?"
 
2013-01-17 12:02:09 PM  

captainktainer: Quantum Apostrophe: Yes, humans with pointy ears and doughy faces are totally absurd! It's taking away from the realism of mile-long starships travelling faster than the speed of light with artificial gravity, transporters, replicators, made of non-existent materials and dozens of improbable particles....

You just hate anything remotely resembling space travel or science fiction to the point it makes you bitter as all fark, don't you?


Not if it involves living forever.

/nttawwt
 
2013-01-17 12:18:37 PM  

Dingleberry Dickwad: slapmastered: Ika7734: /Oh and do you have some chocolate... Sparky, short little buddy over here is running out.

Relevant to his interests...

Also, since we're on that episode...Just because I like you farkers...

[25.media.tumblr.com image 489x750]

I always did like that episode, for multiple reasons. Too bad we don't see much of her anymore, she was quite the hotty back then.

/"You been stealing candy Mr. Burroughs?"


2 kids (and the desire to actually, you know, be a parent) will definitely cut into the time you have available to commit to a long-running project.

She's taking guest roles here and there, and IMO, she looks just as fantastic as she ever did. Her 2-ep run on Haven recently was a nice recent sighting. The makeup and wardrobe tried to hide it, but she was just as fantastic as ever. Most of her work since leaving SG-1 has been voice-work. Notables include Morrigan (Dragon Age: Origins), Chloe Frazer (Uncharted series), and a couple parts in the Mass Effect series (Matriarch Aethyta and Admiral Daro'Xen vas Moreh)

She still does a couple con appearances now and then, as well. More recent photos!

25.media.tumblr.com24.media.tumblr.com

/Obsessed? Who, me?
 
2013-01-17 12:48:41 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: [i236.photobucket.com image 550x302]
Would hit at warp factor 11.


I think she looks better after she washed the paint off.

i88.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-17 12:51:24 PM  

slapmastered: Ika7734: slapmastered: Mmm...Inter-species banging...

[www.farscapecaps.com image 768x576]

/From the Anti-Trek!

But did you watch the PeaceKeeper Wars? Common ancestors there again.

// It doesn't have to be a choice between sci-fi or anti-anything
///star trek good
///star wars good
///Farscape good
///Firefly good
///Babylon 5 good
////Slashies awesome

*mutters* Did I watch PKW...what kind of Scaper would I be if I didn't watch PKW? Hell, I even suffered through the damn comics (though I don't happen to consider them part of my personal canon)

Really, I was just using the thread as an excuse to post Farscape pics...particularly those involving a certain scrumptious Raven-Haired Goddess.

/Also, my comment regarding the "Anti-Trek" was mostly because Farscape styled itself that way; they took most of the common Sci-Fi tropes and turned them on their ears, and took a perverse sort of glee in doing so.
//"Out of Their Minds" is one of the finest examples of the "body-swap" trope that has ever been seen.
///Unnecessary triple-slashie!


You might enjoy SF Debris' review of "Out of Their Minds."

http://sfdebris.com/videos/farscape/fa rscapes2e09.asp

Very funny and insightful. Also, he set the scene where Crichton is having fun with Aeryn's chest to the Farscape theme.
 
2013-01-17 01:10:09 PM  

Polish Hussar: You might enjoy SF Debris' review of "Out of Their Minds."

http://sfdebris.com/videos/farscape/fa rscapes2e09.asp

Very funny and insightful. Also, he set the scene where Crichton is having fun with Aeryn's chest to the Farscape theme.


Yeah, that made the rounds on Terra Firma a few days ago. It was a great review.
 
2013-01-17 01:33:16 PM  
Makes me love "Serenity" all the more. The only people in it were .... people.
 
2013-01-17 02:51:26 PM  

way south: It does help to stay within one genre, tho.
What separates science fiction from fantasy is how well it plays with real scientific concepts. Otherwise you end up writing about space wizards who use "inverse quantum tachyon streams" to blast each other instead of simply going with magic.


And yet, there are several franchises/universes that do combine both (like it or not, "science fiction" is still just magical fairy tales) and are quite successful...
 
2013-01-17 02:54:53 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: Makes me love "Serenity" all the more. The only people in it were .... people.


That's a gutsy call saying the Alliance are people.
 
2013-01-17 03:11:43 PM  
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Approves
 
2013-01-17 03:14:32 PM  

Ed Grubermann: Quantum Apostrophe: Yes, humans with pointy ears and doughy faces are totally absurd! It's taking away from the realism of mile-long starships travelling faster than the speed of light with artificial gravity, transporters, replicators, made of non-existent materials and dozens of improbable particles....

Oh, give it a farking rest, asshole.


No no, it's fun. It's like listening to your great-grandfather. "Flying machine?! Don't be a damn fool! Steam locomotives?! THAT'LL be the day, never gonna happen! nossir."

Plus, each new step forward just pisses him off more! Good times.
 
2013-01-17 03:17:39 PM  
Some say that life here began out there...
 
2013-01-17 03:52:28 PM  

GranoblasticMan: way south: It does help to stay within one genre, tho.
What separates science fiction from fantasy is how well it plays with real scientific concepts. Otherwise you end up writing about space wizards who use "inverse quantum tachyon streams" to blast each other instead of simply going with magic.

And yet, there are several franchises/universes that do combine both (like it or not, "science fiction" is still just magical fairy tales) and are quite successful...


Successful until you try to explain the magic (one word, just one word: midichlorians). That's when writers start to harsh everyone's mellow with too many details that don't matter.
 
2013-01-17 04:48:38 PM  

captainktainer: Quantum Apostrophe: Yes, humans with pointy ears and doughy faces are totally absurd! It's taking away from the realism of mile-long starships travelling faster than the speed of light with artificial gravity, transporters, replicators, made of non-existent materials and dozens of improbable particles....

You just hate anything remotely resembling space travel or science fiction to the point it makes you bitter as all fark, don't you?


I don't think it's that. It's fear.

It's unlikely that we'll ever reach the point where humans are truly immortal, but the life-extension nutters think they've found a way around that: a thing they call the Effective Immortality Threshold. The idea is that as long as life-extension breakthroughs come often enough (and are effective enough), age will never catch up to the people who are alive when it starts. At any given point people would still have finite lifespans, but over time the "deadline" would be pushed back at least as quickly as people age.

The catch is that sustaining this requires massive outlay in research and resources. If it were to happen within our lifetimes, then it would pretty much have to become the primary concern of the human race, and so this is what life-extension nutters want. Their lives, as they see it, literally depend on this, and so things which might take humanity's eyes off the proverbial prize -for example, space travel- become mortal enemies.
 
2013-01-17 04:54:56 PM  

way south: GranoblasticMan: way south: It does help to stay within one genre, tho.
What separates science fiction from fantasy is how well it plays with real scientific concepts. Otherwise you end up writing about space wizards who use "inverse quantum tachyon streams" to blast each other instead of simply going with magic.

And yet, there are several franchises/universes that do combine both (like it or not, "science fiction" is still just magical fairy tales) and are quite successful...

Successful until you try to explain the magic (one word, just one word: midichlorians). That's when writers start to harsh everyone's mellow with too many details that don't matter.


That depends on how it's done. There are franchises that do well even when the magic is fully explained out, and there are franchises that do well even when the magic is left as an unknown, mystical part of the universe. What you can't do is switch types in the middle, and that's where Lucas went wrong. The original trilogy presented a mystical Force, and then the new trilogy tried to change that to an explainable Force, and the results were simply too jarring.
 
2013-01-17 05:30:53 PM  
TheMysteriousStranger : But what we know about biology is all accurate, but there are all kinds of gaps in physics?
 
2013-01-17 05:31:17 PM  

Millennium: The catch is that sustaining this requires massive outlay in research and resources. If it were to happen within our lifetimes,


They're decently far along on figuring out why cells stop replicating properly after 60 or so years of life- once we crack that, it probably wouldn't be that big a jump to stop it.

So yeah- solving aging is entirely conceivable within our lifetimes. Give 15 years for the first part, 20 for the second, and that gives a lot of people alive today a chance to live for much, much longer.

Now, that just means that we'll all die of cancer as the mutations start piling up, but if we improve treatment or find ways to deal with that, it probably wouldn't be too large a stretch to say we could live centuries without aging much.

And there's a Star Trek reference waiting here for whoever wants to pick it up. TOS, if you're having trouble remembering.
 
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2013-01-17 06:05:17 PM  

Millennium: way south: GranoblasticMan: way south: It does help to stay within one genre, tho.
What separates science fiction from fantasy is how well it plays with real scientific concepts. Otherwise you end up writing about space wizards who use "inverse quantum tachyon streams" to blast each other instead of simply going with magic.

And yet, there are several franchises/universes that do combine both (like it or not, "science fiction" is still just magical fairy tales) and are quite successful...

Successful until you try to explain the magic (one word, just one word: midichlorians). That's when writers start to harsh everyone's mellow with too many details that don't matter.

That depends on how it's done. There are franchises that do well even when the magic is fully explained out, and there are franchises that do well even when the magic is left as an unknown, mystical part of the universe. What you can't do is switch types in the middle, and that's where Lucas went wrong. The original trilogy presented a mystical Force, and then the new trilogy tried to change that to an explainable Force, and the results were simply too jarring.


What sucks about that is if you try to watch Eps. I - VI in numerical order. By the time you reach the real Trilogy, Yoda, Vader and Obi-wan sound like overzealous, semi-morons who become "mystical sky wizards" in their own right after their deaths. The "respected science of the Force" devolves into a "hokey religion."

Which, I suppose, does make a tiny bit of sense as the Republic becomes an Imperial dystopia. Science becomes religious superstition as the "scientists" have been rounded up and shot.

All the Jedi are slain in the movies as they progress, except for Yoda and Obi-Wan, who continue to age to the Alzheimer threshold. Palpy and Vader set themselves up as Satan and Satan's lil' buddy, an image they need to perpetuate in order to keep the ranks in line.

By the time Luke gets there, there are four old fogies there to teach him to believe their own crazy religious world perspective. It's not as much of a fight of good vs. evil as it is a bocci tournament.

Surprisingly, all this is devoid of driving one's landspeeder through a farmer's market and how to play Galactic Bingo at the Country Kitchen Buffet. Maybe that'll come in the next three episodes...
 
2013-01-17 06:12:39 PM  

slapmastered: Dingleberry Dickwad: slapmastered: Ika7734: /Oh and do you have some chocolate... Sparky, short little buddy over here is running out.

Relevant to his interests...

Also, since we're on that episode...Just because I like you farkers...

[25.media.tumblr.com image 489x750]

I always did like that episode, for multiple reasons. Too bad we don't see much of her anymore, she was quite the hotty back then.

/"You been stealing candy Mr. Burroughs?"

2 kids (and the desire to actually, you know, be a parent) will definitely cut into the time you have available to commit to a long-running project.

She's taking guest roles here and there, and IMO, she looks just as fantastic as she ever did. Her 2-ep run on Haven recently was a nice recent sighting. The makeup and wardrobe tried to hide it, but she was just as fantastic as ever. Most of her work since leaving SG-1 has been voice-work. Notables include Morrigan (Dragon Age: Origins), Chloe Frazer (Uncharted series), and a couple parts in the Mass Effect series (Matriarch Aethyta and Admiral Daro'Xen vas Moreh)

She still does a couple con appearances now and then, as well. More recent photos!

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x741][24.media.tumblr.com image 373x594]

/Obsessed? Who, me?


slapmastered: Ika7734: /Oh and do you have some chocolate... Sparky, short little buddy over here is running out.

Relevant to his interests...

Also, since we're on that episode...Just because I like you farkers...

[25.media.tumblr.com image 489x750]


So after seeing the clip I decided to watch some Farscape on Netflix again only to find it's no longer available, as well as SG-1, and Babylon 5. WTF Netflix!
 
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