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(Time)   How Dr. Dre convinced the world that you need $300 headphones to listen to your highly compressed MP3s   (business.time.com) divider line 260
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2013-01-16 05:44:34 PM  
it's sad; there's an entire generation that has never heard an uncompressed piece of music.
 
2013-01-16 05:56:32 PM  
I have listened to music through some Beats headphones... and I'll take my Sennheiser 598's, for $100 less, any day of the week.
 
2013-01-16 06:01:40 PM  

FlashHarry: it's sad; there's an entire generation that has never heard an uncompressed piece of music.


Let me guess, on Vinyl? LOL.

Listening to an MP3 on 300 headphones or watching Netflix streaming on your new 60" HDTV. Both are equally pointless.
 
2013-01-16 06:16:30 PM  

FlashHarry: it's sad; there's an entire generation that has never heard an uncompressed piece of music.


Using the volume of sound waves to imprint onto a piece of vinyl is also compressed music.  Speakers uncompress it in a certain way.  To insist that music is only pure if it is provided through a certain medium is as absurd as insisting that you need $500 cables to provide quality.

There's far more damage done by the process of mastering by reducing the range of sound than there could ever be in your choice of compression media.
 
2013-01-16 06:25:34 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: I have listened to music through some Beats headphones... and I'll take my Sennheiser 598's, for $100 less, any day of the week.


i have some JVC ones I paid like $20 for.
 
2013-01-16 06:39:10 PM  

Gwendolyn: cannotsuggestaname: I have listened to music through some Beats headphones... and I'll take my Sennheiser 598's, for $100 less, any day of the week.

i have some JVC ones I paid like $20 for.


My to-go headphones that I've used for better than half a decade aren't in production anymore, which sucks.  I can't stand earbuds, they hurt like a son of a biatch.  I have these that I use at home and are fantastic, but nowhere near carry-able.  I've used these, replacing every couple of years due to eventual damage.  I think I'm on my fourth set now.  The cost of the few left reflects the quality.  Haven't tried their "updated" model it links to yet, but that earpiece doesn't look comfortable.
 
2013-01-16 08:51:20 PM  
With the ability to store more data in smaller vessels, might we be able to start keeping our music in .wav format?
 
2013-01-16 08:55:10 PM  
Fashion over function.
 
2013-01-16 09:01:53 PM  
I listen to my music through two tin cans, because I *can.*
 
2013-01-16 09:16:21 PM  
I don't care if I'm listening to .mp3s, .wavs, .flacs, cassettes, or vinyl.....I'm not paying $300 for headphones.  I don't see how anyone could blow that kind of money on such a frivolous product.
 
2013-01-16 09:17:13 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I don't care if I'm listening to .mp3s, .wavs, .flacs, cassettes, or vinyl.....I'm not paying $300 for headphones.


Also, this.

My money is better wasted elsewhere.
 
2013-01-16 09:38:52 PM  

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: I listen to my music through two tin cans, because I *can.*


YES WE CAN!

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-16 09:39:56 PM  

BronyMedic: YES WE CAN!

24.media.tumblr.com


U-S-A!

U-S-A!

U-S-A!
 
2013-01-16 09:43:16 PM  

FlashHarry: it's sad; there's an entire generation that has never heard an uncompressed piece of music.


Kids don't go to live concerts anymore?


GAT_00: I can't stand earbuds,


Seconded. I don't see how people can use them.
 
2013-01-16 10:03:04 PM  

FlashHarry: it's sad; there's an entire generation that has never heard an uncompressed piece of music.


Yeah, because the RIAA curve required to make something reproducible on vinyl is so pure?  You're fooling yourself.
 
2013-01-16 10:03:43 PM  
Beyerdynamic + USB sound card= still less than the cost of sh*t Beats cans
 
2013-01-16 10:03:54 PM  

GAT_00: There's far more damage done by the process of mastering by reducing the range of sound than there could ever be in your choice of compression media.


the best human ears can only hear from 20 hz to 20k. a decent mastering engineer should be able to reproduce this range. but when you listen to a 256kbps MP3, you're losing a lot more of the information than if you listened to the original, even if it were recorded and not live.
 
2013-01-16 10:04:24 PM  

jaylectricity: With the ability to store more data in smaller vessels, might we be able to start keeping our music in .wav format?


It's not that hard to get something from CD to FLAC/ALAC.  Hell, if you're not bothering to pay for your music it's trivial to find a torrent that has FLAC rips for just about anything.
 
2013-01-16 10:04:29 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Yeah, because the RIAA curve required to make something reproducible on vinyl is so pure?  You're fooling yourself.


where did i mention vinyl?
 
2013-01-16 10:06:24 PM  

FlashHarry: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Yeah, because the RIAA curve required to make something reproducible on vinyl is so pure?  You're fooling yourself.

where did i mention vinyl?


Let's put it this way:

Unless you've been to a live concert, everything you've every listened to in terms of reproduced music has not been anywhere near what the studio track started as, so complaining about "compressed music" is pointless.
 
2013-01-16 10:07:28 PM  
I'll peep the article later, but the black street cred marketing to white youth is an old staple, and has worked since the original Jordans.
 
2013-01-16 10:07:39 PM  
I'm curious, what's the point of these head phones? Do they reduce the distortion of modern music that's recorded at such a volume that modern remasters are often useless EXCEPT as lower-quality MP3s? Do they just up the bass?

Or do they make ANYTHING sound better? It sounds like they don't do that...
 
2013-01-16 10:09:53 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: I have listened to music through some Beats headphones... and I'll take my Sennheiser 598's, for $100 less, any day of the week.


I tried a pair on at the store and they're just too heavy on the bass.  It's like they ignored making anything above 150Hz sound decent.

I got a set of these for Christmas last year:

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They're pretty good once they get broken in.  They have fabric wire insulation - until it relaxes every time the cord touches something the noise goes right into your ear.  They're from Brookstone.

Prior to those I used to spend $13 on earbuds from Radio Shack because I'd inevitably break them in a few months anyway.
 
2013-01-16 10:09:58 PM  
It seems like we've been on mp3 for years now. When can I get an mp4?
 
2013-01-16 10:12:14 PM  
they're bass heavy

some guy at my work years ago bought em and let me try.

i'm used to studio quality accurate headphones
or the crappy sony pair that seem to have lasted for years

and given the choice of paying hundreds for the Dre or 20 for my shiatty phones
i'd save my money or buy something much better for the same price.
 
2013-01-16 10:12:48 PM  
What do you mean "how"? Kids are dumb as shiat and have a farkload of disposable income, that's how.
 
2013-01-16 10:13:00 PM  
Yesterday I got a pair of Bluetooth headphones that I bought from onesaleaday. I didn't expect anything too great, but I wanted another pair to use for when I am boxing. I bought a pair from Amazon that was pretty good, but these blow those out of the water. They have beautiful padding and their range even beats that of the [superior] pair that I paid a bit more to purchase.

So $20 for a generic pair that sounds great. I doubt that I could convince myself to spend $300 on a pair, regardless of who endorses them. Then again, I am not an audiophile by any stretch of the imagination. I just want cordless and comfortable with decent sound.
 
2013-01-16 10:14:05 PM  
You pay for qualerty
 
2013-01-16 10:14:16 PM  
I like my $13 a pair KSC75s.
 
2013-01-16 10:15:23 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: I have listened to music through some Beats headphones... and I'll take my Sennheiser 598's, for $100 less, any day of the week.


I've got some Sennheiser HD280Pros.  They're flat response and have some caveats, but for ~$100 they're keen.
 
2013-01-16 10:17:44 PM  

error 303: It seems like we've been on mp3 for years now. When can I get an mp4?


If you buy from iTunes you haven't been getting mp3s for quite some time now.  You're getting 256kbps AACs in m4a containers.
 
2013-01-16 10:18:39 PM  

error 303: It seems like we've been on mp3 for years now. When can I get an mp4?


They already exist.  I have more than a few .mp4 files on my computer.
 
2013-01-16 10:21:05 PM  
Beyond a certain point audiophilia is ridiculous. There is good, and then everything above that is your imagination.

I know, I know, unlike the couple studies where even self-described audiophiles swore they could tell and failed miserably in blind tests, the farkers reading this will insist that THEY have the superb superhuman skills to tell.

/I don't even listen to music, you lose so much by listening instead of reading the notes in their originally written format.
 
2013-01-16 10:22:49 PM  

mrEdude: they're bass heavy

some guy at my work years ago bought em and let me try.

i'm used to studio quality accurate headphones
or the crappy sony pair that seem to have lasted for years

and given the choice of paying hundreds for the Dre or 20 for my shiatty phones
i'd save my money or buy something much better for the same price.


You can get a pair of AKG K-702s, which are the standard for remastering for about that price.

www.proaudiomart.com

$329, and worth every penny (especially when you can write them off as a business expense.
Flat from 10HZ-38HZ, but they require a 200 break-in time.
The most accurate cans I have.
 
2013-01-16 10:24:34 PM  
The Sony MDR-V700DJ headphones are half as much and they blow the beats out of the water. Not to mention they have some of the largest frequency range of most an headphone out there
 
2013-01-16 10:27:58 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com

He's just taking it back.
 
2013-01-16 10:29:26 PM  
I also have a $20 pair of Sonys that aren't bad at all.

If I ever walked into the studio with a pair of Beats, they would laugh as hard as if I were wearing a pair of Hello Kittys.
Besides, who wants phones that need batteries?
They are the most counterfeited audio component in the world right now, because the people that buy them can't tell the difference anyway.
 
2013-01-16 10:31:37 PM  
A co-worker in radio bought Beats. Impressive, not near worth the $ for work, but he's young and plugs them into his iPhone, etc. I find them to be claustrophobic they're so tight.
 
2013-01-16 10:34:13 PM  
Sony makes ear sofas that deliver nearly as much bass for a lot less.

www.ybsales.net

They do break up before I reach the volume I like though, but it seems people enjoy listening to noise these days.
 
2013-01-16 10:36:55 PM  
Beats are overpriced and mediocre.

I've got a set of Vmoda Crossfades with partial metal construction on the cans and band attachment. Great sound and they're built like a tank, the cable is wrapped in kevlar for durability. Excellent sound reproduction at all frequencies, and they can produce enough volume that I could use them as desktop speakers, without any audible distortion (I run my soundcard output at just 15% with them plugged in and it's plenty loud).

And those only cost me a hundred bucks. If I was going to spend the kind of money for Beats, I'd buy some of those Audio-Technica ones with the wooden cans.
 
2013-01-16 10:37:50 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: I have listened to music through some Beats headphones... and I'll take my Sennheiser 598's, for $100 less, any day of the week.


Nice. Few months ago I bought the 558s and have been quite happy with them. Been a Sennheiser buyer since the 70s and never been disappointed.
 
2013-01-16 10:38:04 PM  

TommyymmoT: I also have a $20 pair of Sonys that aren't bad at all.


That's me Tommy. I have MDR-ZX100. I guess that's the model Wal-Mart went to. I had been through 2-3 pair of the MDR-V150 prior to that. 20 bucks. I have nice boards at work, so they do the trick just fine. I thought the cord was too long on the 150's, too short on the new ones, but they swivel and seem tougher. And they fit about the same.

But while we're on the subject, I wish the industry as a whole would settle on 1/8" jacks. I hate having to keep up with the adapter so I can use them at work. iPod, PC, whatever else, 1/8" Broadcast stuff, 1/4". Why?
 
2013-01-16 10:39:33 PM  
hip-hop group N.W.A

I literally face-palmed.
 
2013-01-16 10:39:43 PM  

TommyymmoT: mrEdude: they're bass heavy

some guy at my work years ago bought em and let me try.

i'm used to studio quality accurate headphones
or the crappy sony pair that seem to have lasted for years

and given the choice of paying hundreds for the Dre or 20 for my shiatty phones
i'd save my money or buy something much better for the same price.

You can get a pair of AKG K-702s, which are the standard for remastering for about that price.

[www.proaudiomart.com image 404x382]

$329, and worth every penny (especially when you can write them off as a business expense.
Flat from 10HZ-38HZ, but they require a 200 break-in time.
The most accurate cans I have.


Do those come with a little button thingy to click when you hear the tones in your left or right ear?
 
2013-01-16 10:39:44 PM  
I listen to either a pair of earbuds whose name i've forgotten, or some hand me down mediocre logitech headphones

/wouldn't mind getting a pair of Sennheiser, i just have a hard time spending $100+ dollars on things like that
 
2013-01-16 10:41:19 PM  

GAT_00: I've used these, replacing every couple of years due to eventual damage. I think I'm on my fourth set now.


I too have four sets of those with the foam falling apart. For $20 they are (were) great. Should have stocked up.
 
2013-01-16 10:43:06 PM  
Every time I see someone with a pair of Beats on, I instantly know to not take them seriously. Every time.
 
2013-01-16 10:50:52 PM  
 
2013-01-16 10:57:20 PM  
reading stories and these threads make me glad I'm not an audiophile.
 
2013-01-16 10:58:18 PM  
What makes me lol is people with high end stereo equipment who blast satellite radio through it.  I'm amazed every day people willingly pay real money to listen to that tinny  underwater sound with absolutely no dynamic range or stereo separation at all.
 
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