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(Slate)   Pop Quiz: Which of President Obama's 23 new executive orders would have prevented the Sandy Hook tragedy?   (slate.com ) divider line
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2013-01-16 01:41:26 PM  
Gun deaths are a MUCH larger issue than just high profile tragedies. Don't be obtuse.
 
2013-01-16 01:48:57 PM  
12, 14, 16, 17, 19, 22, 23 address the general issues with the recent spate of mass shootings over the last several years.

Would it have prevented Sandy Hook massacre specifically? Who knows. You can't solve the problem completely, but any little bit helps.
 
2013-01-16 01:50:36 PM  

make me some tea: 12, 14, 16, 17, 19, 22, 23 address the general issues with the recent spate of mass shootings over the last several years.

Would it have prevented Sandy Hook massacre specifically? Who knows. You can't solve the problem completely, but any little bit helps.


there is one big glaring item missing from this list

"beat the living shiat out of any TV network that continues to cover mass shootings in the same manner." because if you want to create more mass shootings, you cover them in the highly sensationalized manner they do. farking psychiatry - how does that shiat work?
 
2013-01-16 01:51:00 PM  
So, we've found the new talking point: Doing something can't be proven to have changed anything, therefore do nothing.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-16 01:52:32 PM  
The one on magazines would have reduced the body count, but subby has a point.  We need to get rid of the Bushmasters and similar rifles.
 
2013-01-16 01:53:01 PM  
I think the question should be "Will they help prevent future tragedies, while avoiding a full on gun ban and confiscation".  There is a lot of good that can come from most of these measures.
 
2013-01-16 01:53:24 PM  
Clearly the secret one which addresses the true cause of violence: video games.
 
2013-01-16 01:53:41 PM  

vpb: The one on magazines would have reduced the body count, but subby has a point.  We need to get rid of the Bushmasters and similar rifles.


How so?  What if he brought more magazines?
 
2013-01-16 01:53:52 PM  

LasersHurt: Gun deaths are a MUCH larger issue than just high profile tragedies. Don't be obtuse.



So why don't we ban handguns?  After all, they are the main cause of the violence in Chicago....Obama even mentioned that during the town hall debate last year.
 
2013-01-16 01:54:44 PM  

kronicfeld: So, we've found the new talking point: Doing something can't be proven to have changed anything, therefore do nothing.


Don't forget that video games, Hollywood and now TV news are directly complicit in mass shootings. Lax gun laws, not so much
 
2013-01-16 01:54:54 PM  

vpb: The one on magazines would have reduced the body count,



Doubtful.
 
2013-01-16 01:55:47 PM  

vpb: We need to get rid of the Bushmasters and similar rifles.



Child please.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-16 01:55:57 PM  

kronicfeld: So, we've found the new talking point: Doing something can't be proven to have changed anything, therefore do nothing.


How is that new?  That's an old one.


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2013-01-16 01:57:21 PM  
The 10-round magazine limit would have directly affected Jared Lee Loughner's success in Tuscon.  He fired a from a 33-round magazine, killing 6 and injuring 13, and was only tackled once he reloaded.  Of course, only Congress can establish that limit.
 
2013-01-16 01:57:56 PM  

vpb: The one on magazines would have reduced the body count, but subby has a point.  We need to get rid of the Bushmasters and similar rifles.


1) He had time to walk around and ask the teachers where the kids were. He had more than enough time to reload.

2) oh get rid of the scary looking guns! That will work, just how it worked so perfectly last time it was tried.

For the most part I like the action items that Obama put forth. At least half of them are good ideas, to bad we have to trust the government to do them.
 
2013-01-16 01:58:29 PM  
Yeah!  Sandy Hook was the only time guns killed anyone!  And in the highly unlikely event that guns are ever used again against a human being, it will be in an event EXACTLY like Sandy Hook!

Therefore, every American needs to go out and buy a lot of guns and ammo!

I'm Wayne LaPierre and I approve this message.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-16 01:59:08 PM  

queezyweezel: vpb: The one on magazines would have reduced the body count, but subby has a point.  We need to get rid of the Bushmasters and similar rifles.

How so?  What if he brought more magazines?


That's what Loughner thought, and he got his ass kicked when he stopped to change it.  But banning removable magazines would be an improvement.  Ten rounds is still more than you need for any legitimate purpose.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-16 01:59:46 PM  

The_Sponge: vpb: We need to get rid of the Bushmasters and similar rifles.


Child please.


Please what?  Let you kill people?
 
2013-01-16 02:00:33 PM  
Clearly, the answer is just to allow crazy people to purchase and own as many weapons and as much ammunition as possible, and we can just pray that the aftermath doesn't contain the phrase "a small child was shot eleven times."

That's what freedom is about, after all. The look on a lifeless child's face. That's what we're fighing for people. So the real victims like Lanza and his gun owning family don't have their second amendment rights "violated" in any way.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-16 02:00:36 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: kronicfeld: So, we've found the new talking point: Doing something can't be proven to have changed anything, therefore do nothing.

Don't forget that video games, Hollywood and now TV news are directly complicit in mass shootings. Lax gun laws, not so much


But not the NRAs video game about shooting things, right?
 
2013-01-16 02:00:38 PM  
25.media.tumblr.com
Yeah, what the eff did he know?
 
2013-01-16 02:02:20 PM  
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

I'm pretty sure that this is the first thing Hitler did.
 
2013-01-16 02:03:10 PM  

DarkJohnson: [25.media.tumblr.com image 749x487]
Yeah, what the eff did he know?


He knew that the Second Amendment had to do with being able to raise a regulated militia in lieu of a standing army (which Americans at the time didn't want), not kill a bunch of kids in a matter of minutes.
 
2013-01-16 02:03:11 PM  

DarkJohnson: [25.media.tumblr.com image 749x487]
Yeah, what the eff did he know?


That an expert rifleman could fire two or three shots per minute.
 
2013-01-16 02:03:20 PM  

The_Sponge: LasersHurt: Gun deaths are a MUCH larger issue than just high profile tragedies. Don't be obtuse.


So why don't we ban handguns?  After all, they are the main cause of the violence in Chicago....Obama even mentioned that during the town hall debate last year.


False dilemma. There are many ways to address the issue of handgun violence that do not require an unpopular blanket ban.
 
2013-01-16 02:03:43 PM  

vpb: queezyweezel: vpb: The one on magazines would have reduced the body count, but subby has a point.  We need to get rid of the Bushmasters and similar rifles.

How so?  What if he brought more magazines?

That's what Loughner thought, and he got his ass kicked when he stopped to change it.  But banning removable magazines would be an improvement.  Ten rounds is still more than you need for any legitimate purpose.


Didn't stop the Aurora guy, or even slow him down.
 
2013-01-16 02:04:52 PM  
The Stealth Hippopotamus:
For the most part I like the action items that Obama put forth. At least half of them are good ideas, to bad we have to trust the government to do them.

The gun manufacturers and their primary lobbyist in Congress certainly aren't doing anything.  Not just nothing, but financially and politically opposing any and all progress for decades.  That's where we (the people) step in and vote for representatives that improve government regulation.
 
2013-01-16 02:05:27 PM  

Aarontology: Clearly, the answer is just to allow crazy people to purchase and own as many weapons and as much ammunition as possible, and we can just pray that the aftermath doesn't contain the phrase "a small child was shot eleven times."

That's what freedom is about, after all. The look on a lifeless child's face. That's what we're fighing for people. So the real victims like Lanza and his gun owning family don't have their second amendment rights "violated" in any way.


Did you just use "think of the children" as your sole posit for that argument?
 
2013-01-16 02:05:28 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: I'm pretty sure that this is the first thing Hitler did.





wow! that was early
 
2013-01-16 02:05:56 PM  

Kazan: make me some tea: 12, 14, 16, 17, 19, 22, 23 address the general issues with the recent spate of mass shootings over the last several years.

Would it have prevented Sandy Hook massacre specifically? Who knows. You can't solve the problem completely, but any little bit helps.

there is one big glaring item missing from this list

"beat the living shiat out of any TV network that continues to cover mass shootings in the same manner." because if you want to create more mass shootings, you cover them in the highly sensationalized manner they do. farking psychiatry - how does that shiat work?


While I agree there, freedom of the press is a biatch sometimes.
 
2013-01-16 02:06:17 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: 7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.

I'm pretty sure that this is the first thing Hitler did.


Hitler did a lot of good things.
 
2013-01-16 02:07:07 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Lionel Mandrake: I'm pretty sure that this is the first thing Hitler did.

wow! that was early


He was very progressive.
 
2013-01-16 02:07:59 PM  

make me some tea: While I agree there, freedom of the press is a biatch sometimes.


i hardly call the pathetic infotainment we have today 'the press'.
 
2013-01-16 02:10:07 PM  
16.  Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.

Looks like Obamacare may have played role in the tragedy.  Too bad Obama didn't clarify this point beforehand.
 
2013-01-16 02:10:14 PM  

vpb: Peter von Nostrand: kronicfeld: So, we've found the new talking point: Doing something can't be proven to have changed anything, therefore do nothing.

Don't forget that video games, Hollywood and now TV news are directly complicit in mass shootings. Lax gun laws, not so much

But not the NRAs video game about shooting things, right?


You mean that little app that has you shooting simulated paper and other inanimate targets at simulated shooting ranges and includes safety tips and the like?  Yeah, that's right up there with "Call of Duty: Black Ops," I tell you.
 
2013-01-16 02:11:06 PM  
Subby asks a stupid question since the guns were stolen from his Mom.
 
2013-01-16 02:11:28 PM  

queezyweezel: Did you just use "think of the children" as your sole posit for that argument?


Which argument? The one that says any attempt to make sure murderous sociopaths like Lanza and Aurora Guy don't face any sort of check or restriction when it comes to firearms because anything at all is an unjustifiable violation of their God given Constitutional rights to own firearms, and therefore we should just pray that someone else doesn't do what is becoming a nearly monthly occurrence?

because I'm on your side on this dude. Everyone should be allowed to purchase any and all weapons they so desire. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? Crazy people have rights too, and we need to respect them. And pray they don't murder a whole bunch of children.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-16 02:11:43 PM  

DarkJohnson: [25.media.tumblr.com image 749x487]
Yeah, what the eff did he know?


What about the crazies who the majority of citizens are afraid to trust with arms?   He doesn't say anything in favor of them being armed does he?
 
2013-01-16 02:12:38 PM  

Nabb1: You mean that little app that has you shooting simulated paper and other inanimate targets at simulated shooting ranges and includes safety tips and the like? Yeah, that's right up there with "Call of Duty: Black Ops," I tell you.


Well, you see, it is right up there. Because video games have fark all to do with murdering someone.
 
2013-01-16 02:13:24 PM  

vpb: The_Sponge: vpb: We need to get rid of the Bushmasters and similar rifles.


Child please.

Please what?  Let you kill people?



Derp.
 
2013-01-16 02:14:42 PM  

Nabb1: vpb: Peter von Nostrand: kronicfeld: So, we've found the new talking point: Doing something can't be proven to have changed anything, therefore do nothing.

Don't forget that video games, Hollywood and now TV news are directly complicit in mass shootings. Lax gun laws, not so much

But not the NRAs video game about shooting things, right?

You mean that little app that has you shooting simulated paper and other inanimate targets at simulated shooting ranges and includes safety tips and the like?  Yeah, that's right up there with "Call of Duty: Black Ops," I tell you.


The NRA is making fools of themselves. Don't get upset because people are rightfully mocking their asshattery
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2013-01-16 02:14:44 PM  

queezyweezel: vpb: queezyweezel: vpb: The one on magazines would have reduced the body count, but subby has a point.  We need to get rid of the Bushmasters and similar rifles.

How so?  What if he brought more magazines?

That's what Loughner thought, and he got his ass kicked when he stopped to change it.  But banning removable magazines would be an improvement.  Ten rounds is still more than you need for any legitimate purpose.

Didn't stop the Aurora guy, or even slow him down.


Oh, well. that makes it totally OK then.

If it only saves a few dozen lives a year then what's that against being able to act out Rambo fantasies?
 
2013-01-16 02:14:46 PM  

Aarontology: Lanza and Aurora Guy don't face any sort of check or restriction when it comes to firearms



Lanza STOLE those firearms.
 
2013-01-16 02:15:38 PM  
I'd be good with "May" have prevented.

A simple lack of 100% certainty shouldn't stop the issue from being addressed.

Very few are arguing in favor of a total gun ban.  Many are arguing in favor of something that is sensible and MAY prevent tragedies from occurring.  Do you need an assault weapon with a high capacity magazine?  I'm guessing that most people would have no use for one.  I get the idea of you want to maintain the right to have one.  If giving up a right to have an assault weapon (that you never use) worth the possibility that it could potentially save a child's life?

I concede there is "no right answer", but doing nothing is a wrong answer.  Arming every teacher in the country, not likely to be helpful.

More restrictions won't necessarily lead to an outright ban and random cavity searches.  What restrictions can do, aside from helping preventing those who shouldn't have weapons from having weapons is to introduce a different mindset where guns are treated with greater care and respect.  Right now, I just don't think that's true.

*END BABBLE*
 
2013-01-16 02:16:11 PM  

Aarontology: Nabb1: You mean that little app that has you shooting simulated paper and other inanimate targets at simulated shooting ranges and includes safety tips and the like? Yeah, that's right up there with "Call of Duty: Black Ops," I tell you.

Well, you see, it is right up there. Because video games have fark all to do with murdering someone.


I don't think they take an ordinary, mentally healthy person and turn them into a murderer, no.  Do I think that on some level, really violent first-person shooter games strongly appeal to people already predisposed to violence and other mental health issues thus making those types of people far more likely to play them for hours and hours and hours fantasizing about carrying out similar acts in real life?  Yes, I do.  But that's a mental health issue, not a video game issue.
 
2013-01-16 02:16:31 PM  

vpb: The one on magazines


which one would that be
 
2013-01-16 02:16:41 PM  

Nabb1: You mean that little app that has you shooting simulated paper and other inanimate targets at simulated shooting ranges and includes safety tips and the like? Yeah, that's right up there with "Call of Duty: Black Ops," I tell you.


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Shooting paper can be fun and educational.
 
2013-01-16 02:17:08 PM  

DarkJohnson: Yeah, what the eff did he know?


Yep because everyone is only talking about full bans. Wait, no one is talking about any kind of ban. Go be paranoid somewhere else
 
2013-01-16 02:17:15 PM  

Aarontology: queezyweezel: Did you just use "think of the children" as your sole posit for that argument?

Which argument? The one that says any attempt to make sure murderous sociopaths like Lanza and Aurora Guy don't face any sort of check or restriction when it comes to firearms because anything at all is an unjustifiable violation of their God given Constitutional rights to own firearms, and therefore we should just pray that someone else doesn't do what is becoming a nearly monthly occurrence?

because I'm on your side on this dude. Everyone should be allowed to purchase any and all weapons they so desire. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand? Crazy people have rights too, and we need to respect them. And pray they don't murder a whole bunch of children.


Which side am I on?
 
2013-01-16 02:18:11 PM  

Peter von Nostrand: Nabb1: vpb: Peter von Nostrand: kronicfeld: So, we've found the new talking point: Doing something can't be proven to have changed anything, therefore do nothing.

Don't forget that video games, Hollywood and now TV news are directly complicit in mass shootings. Lax gun laws, not so much

But not the NRAs video game about shooting things, right?

You mean that little app that has you shooting simulated paper and other inanimate targets at simulated shooting ranges and includes safety tips and the like?  Yeah, that's right up there with "Call of Duty: Black Ops," I tell you.

The NRA is making fools of themselves. Don't get upset because people are rightfully mocking their asshattery


The NRA constantly makes fools of themselves and is a shadow of the organization that many of the adults I knew growing up belonged to, and its gone from more of a fraternal organization of responsible hunters and gun-owners into a narrowly-focused interest group.  But, honestly, the flap over the iPhone app is just a tad ridiculous.
 
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