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2013-01-16 06:26:07 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Sofa King Smart: BHShaman: I liked the Tacoma and Frontier as they were still smaller trucks.
They are getting American Bloat now as well.

ford recently killed off the ranger/mazda b2000 series... which leaves exactly nothing in the way of a small pickup... which I suspect there is a bit of market demand for... 4 cyl, manual tranny, lil pickup... why won't they make something I'd like to buy?

because why sell a $6000 basic pick up when you can sell a $15-30,000 full sized in whatever configuration you may desire, you want a compact pick up? here is a $12,000 base model F-150


$12K base model!!!! the ford website starts the base model at $23K!!!! v6, manual, reg cab...
saw a 2012 base model on cars.com for $18k... that still doesn't compare to the small pickup I'd like to buy and drive...
http://bp3.ford.com/2013-Ford-F-150?branding=1&lang=en#/Models/
 
2013-01-16 06:34:51 PM
Sofa King Smart
Cerebral Knievel: Sofa King Smart: BHShaman: I liked the Tacoma and Frontier as they were still smaller trucks.
They are getting American Bloat now as well.
ford recently killed off the ranger/mazda b2000 series... which leaves exactly nothing in the way of a small pickup... which I suspect there is a bit of market demand for... 4 cyl, manual tranny, lil pickup... why won't they make something I'd like to buy?
because why sell a $6000 basic pick up when you can sell a $15-30,000 full sized in whatever configuration you may desire, you want a compact pick up? here is a $12,000 base model F-150
$12K base model!!!! the ford website starts the base model at $23K!!!! v6, manual, reg cab...
saw a 2012 base model on cars.com for $18k... that still doesn't compare to the small pickup I'd like to buy and drive...
http://bp3.ford.com/2013-Ford-F-150?branding=1&lang=en#/Models/


Bring in some Ute's. I believe GM owns Holden. And they could be anything from a fun sports car to something basic and functional.  Something you could drive like a car but still move a big screen or a washing machine in on the weekend.
 
2013-01-16 06:47:21 PM

Enemabag Jones: Sofa King Smart
Cerebral Knievel: Sofa King Smart: BHShaman: I liked the Tacoma and Frontier as they were still smaller trucks.
They are getting American Bloat now as well.
ford recently killed off the ranger/mazda b2000 series... which leaves exactly nothing in the way of a small pickup... which I suspect there is a bit of market demand for... 4 cyl, manual tranny, lil pickup... why won't they make something I'd like to buy?
because why sell a $6000 basic pick up when you can sell a $15-30,000 full sized in whatever configuration you may desire, you want a compact pick up? here is a $12,000 base model F-150
$12K base model!!!! the ford website starts the base model at $23K!!!! v6, manual, reg cab...
saw a 2012 base model on cars.com for $18k... that still doesn't compare to the small pickup I'd like to buy and drive...
http://bp3.ford.com/2013-Ford-F-150?branding=1&lang=en#/Models/

Bring in some Ute's. I believe GM owns Holden. And they could be anything from a fun sports car to something basic and functional.  Something you could drive like a car but still move a big screen or a washing machine in on the weekend.


dang, sorrry, last time I looked was 15 years ago... sorry I didn't adjust for inflation and junk.
 
2013-01-16 06:57:29 PM

Cerebral Knievel: hoots_toot_ochaye: alywa:

for all that, go ahead and get an older truck, hell, swing by the county auctions and pick one up for a couple grand Don't spend a lot of money, but keep in mind that trucks usually hold their value pretty well. Stay away from older model Dodge's. they tend to have transmission problems.

trust me on this.


What he said. My daily driver is a Fusion, but I have a 96 Sonoma which I paid $300 for that I use for big or dirty stuff. It has 160,000 miles, it pops out of fifth on occasion, the steering is looser than a 65 year old $1 dollar whore, the reclining action on the seat is broken so it's held in place with a bucket, and every single body panel is dented, rusted, or scavenged from another vehicle.

However, it starts every time, has a trailer hitch, and can hold the various lumber and whatnot I need for projects.
 
2013-01-16 08:26:46 PM

Sofa King Smart: BHShaman: I liked the Tacoma and Frontier as they were still smaller trucks.
They are getting American Bloat now as well.

ford recently killed off the ranger/mazda b2000 series... which leaves exactly nothing in the way of a small pickup... which I suspect there is a bit of market demand for... 4 cyl, manual tranny, lil pickup... why won't they make something I'd like to buy?


Because they are too small to comply with fuel efficiency standards. Because some passenger cars like the PT Cruiser were being classified as light trucks they changed the fuel efficiency standards to go by the footprint size of the vehicle.

Because the Ranger has a smaller footprint it has much tougher fuel standards than a full size. Someone above thread linked to a great article explaining why Ford killed the still popular Ranger due to law changes.
 
2013-01-16 08:27:46 PM

Almet: Cerebral Knievel: hoots_toot_ochaye: alywa:

for all that, go ahead and get an older truck, hell, swing by the county auctions and pick one up for a couple grand Don't spend a lot of money, but keep in mind that trucks usually hold their value pretty well. Stay away from older model Dodge's. they tend to have transmission problems.

trust me on this.

What he said. My daily driver is a Fusion, but I have a 96 Sonoma which I paid $300 for that I use for big or dirty stuff. It has 160,000 miles, it pops out of fifth on occasion, the steering is looser than a 65 year old $1 dollar whore, the reclining action on the seat is broken so it's held in place with a bucket, and every single body panel is dented, rusted, or scavenged from another vehicle.

However, it starts every time, has a trailer hitch, and can hold the various lumber and whatnot I need for projects.



check out mr. fancy pants here with the reclining seats! shall I bring you back a cafecon Leche from the bistro Mr. fancy pants with the reclining, presumably bucket seats?
I suppose you think you are better than us with the all Pleather bench seat where if the driver wants to recline EVERYONE has to recline... huh?

:D

sorry.. just being an ass.. keep on with your bad self
 
2013-01-16 09:02:24 PM

Monkey2: '92 F150 standard cab, long wheelbase. No muffler, passenger side window held up with a stick, have to roll down driver's side window to open door, wipers work if you jiggle the switch just right, steering is a bit iffy, about 19 mpg, just reached 180,000 miles (original engine).

/best truck I've ever owned


Dumpy: 1991 Suburban. 2 confirmed deer kills on the driver door. Don't press any buttons or touch any gauges. 224,000 miles and counting on original engine, rebuilt tranny. The thing lives to spite me.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-16 09:13:45 PM

Cerebral Knievel: dang, sorrry, last time I looked was 15 years ago... sorry I didn't adjust for inflation and junk.


An F350 Crew Cab King Ranch Edition 4X4 can set you back 80K.
 
2013-01-16 11:02:13 PM
The F150 is a decent enough vehicle, but the 2011 model was not the best in the world.
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-16 11:10:10 PM

lunging_man_ass: Someone above thread linked to a great article explaining why Ford killed the still popular Ranger due to law changes.


yeah saw (and read) that after I posted... still long for the days of those tiny little toyota and nissan trucks... nice, cheap, basic transportation...

//currently driving 97 F150 xlt ext cab... 4.6l with 167K on it... as my daily driver. cheapest vehicle to own/maintain I've ever had... I bought it used with about 45K miles on it for $11,500.
 
2013-01-16 11:52:03 PM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I'm really not a fan of the family-friendly SUVs (with a tiny pickup bed). If I had one of those I'd still need to rent a damn truck.


A big helping of THIS. I don't mind a 6.5 bed... But what on earth would you haul in a 4.5?
 
2013-01-17 07:58:07 AM

ddam: For the first time ever I'm actually thinking of getting a truck. I just bought my first house last year (Sept) and I've needed to borrow a truck from a friend for house work 6 times already. My car is a 05 GTI with low milage (65k) that's paid off and I ride my motorcycle 9 months of the year for daily commute (which gets about 45-50mph). So the truck would be for weekend/family time and commuting the 3 months it's too cold to ride at 6 am.


Trailer $500 or $600 instead of a truck?
/Tow your bike?
//Profit?
 
2013-01-17 08:37:14 AM
I don't care much for the looks of this truck. I like the front of the current truck(s) better, but what do I know? I drive a Jeep.
 
2013-01-17 12:13:14 PM

Dinodork: Monkey2: '92 F150 standard cab, long wheelbase. No muffler, passenger side window held up with a stick, have to roll down driver's side window to open door, wipers work if you jiggle the switch just right, steering is a bit iffy, about 19 mpg, just reached 180,000 miles (original engine).

/best truck I've ever owned

Dumpy: 1991 Suburban. 2 confirmed deer kills on the driver door. Don't press any buttons or touch any gauges. 224,000 miles and counting on original engine, rebuilt tranny. The thing lives to spite me.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 850x637]


Heh, I like it. I've never owned a new car or truck. For some reason I just love an old beater. I drive them until they die and then go searching for another one.
 
2013-01-17 03:44:10 PM

Zembla: Holy hell batman, why did I have to read all the way down to the end of the article to finally get an answer to that nagging question raised in the headline?

For those curious:
"It will be more aerodynamic, carry an evolved EcoBoost engine, and will weigh as much as 700 pounds less than the current truck."


You didn't. Well, at least I didn't.
 
2013-01-17 07:36:57 PM

Sofa King Smart: BHShaman: I liked the Tacoma and Frontier as they were still smaller trucks.
They are getting American Bloat now as well.

ford recently killed off the ranger/mazda b2000 series... which leaves exactly nothing in the way of a small pickup... which I suspect there is a bit of market demand for... 4 cyl, manual tranny, lil pickup... why won't they make something I'd like to buy?


Toyota does the base 4cyl/5spd for 19k.. nissan still does the frontier (king cab only) for same; both US made to avoid the chicken tax.
 
2013-01-18 10:44:44 AM

fmcgalaxie500: TheGreatGazoo: When did full sized trucks start getting so big?

I have a 98 full sized Chevy and that thing looks to be a foot taller and several feet longer. I know someone with a fancy F150 that has automatic step bars that just about break your legs if you get too close to them. My truck doesn't need them.

I'm not talking about a low rider, but a reasonable ride height and vehicle size would have to be lighter and get better gas mileage. Plus you wouldn't need a tow hitch with a drop in it.

It comes from wheel size. My 1975 F150 has 15" wheels, my 2001 F150 has 16". Now they are standard with 17" or 18" and you can get them with larger of course.


I had a 73 F-250 that had 16.5" wheels.

That sucker had 300,000 miles on it when I sold it.

/work truck
 
2013-01-18 01:18:44 PM

lokis_mentor: Toyota does the base 4cyl/5spd for 19k.. nissan still does the frontier (king cab only) for same; both US made to avoid the chicken tax.


thanks for the info... I didn't realize either of those were still available... all I see are the big Titans and Tundras (which seem to just keep getting bigger and bigger each year)... $20K is probably still more than I'd like to pay for a small base model 4 cyl, manual tranny 2 wheel drive pickup... but I'll dig around a little more and see what's still available.
 
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