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2013-01-16 12:54:51 PM
Shenannigans.

4.bp.blogspot.com
The vette gets em wet.
 
2013-01-16 01:04:37 PM
That's a good looking rig.

/and I hate Fords.
 
2013-01-16 01:04:43 PM
Found On Road Dead

/I just came up with that.
 
2013-01-16 01:15:16 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Found On Road Dead

NO, it's Fix It Again Tony.

/sheesh, get it right
 
2013-01-16 01:26:56 PM

alywa: Pray 4 Mojo: Found On Road Dead

NO, it's Fix It Again Tony.

/sheesh, get it right


That the Fiat, Dale.
 
2013-01-16 01:29:32 PM
First On Road Disaster

I drive a 2001 F-150. 116000 or something miles. I can't tell because the odometer doesn't usually light up in the dashboard.
 
2013-01-16 01:31:52 PM
When did full sized trucks start getting so big?

I have a 98 full sized Chevy and that thing looks to be a foot taller and several feet longer. I know someone with a fancy F150 that has automatic step bars that just about break your legs if you get too close to them. My truck doesn't need them.

I'm not talking about a low rider, but a reasonable ride height and vehicle size would have to be lighter and get better gas mileage. Plus you wouldn't need a tow hitch with a drop in it.
 
2013-01-16 01:33:51 PM

TheGreatGazoo: When did full sized trucks start getting so big?

I have a 98 full sized Chevy and that thing looks to be a foot taller and several feet longer. I know someone with a fancy F150 that has automatic step bars that just about break your legs if you get too close to them. My truck doesn't need them.

I'm not talking about a low rider, but a reasonable ride height and vehicle size would have to be lighter and get better gas mileage. Plus you wouldn't need a tow hitch with a drop in it.



2004
 
2013-01-16 01:34:29 PM
That's a beautiful truck.

TheGreatGazoo: When did full sized trucks start getting so big?

I have a 98 full sized Chevy and that thing looks to be a foot taller and several feet longer. I know someone with a fancy F150 that has automatic step bars that just about break your legs if you get too close to them. My truck doesn't need them.

I'm not talking about a low rider, but a reasonable ride height and vehicle size would have to be lighter and get better gas mileage. Plus you wouldn't need a tow hitch with a drop in it.


I am not sure. I know Toyota ruined the Tundra somewhere around 2005 when it became overly huge for all the suburbanites hauling 1500lb rolls of hay.
 
2013-01-16 01:41:46 PM
Love my F-150 Supercrew. Great family trip vehicle. On the last trip I was averaging over 18 MPG. Looking forward to see how well it works out when I eventually get a travel trailer.
 
2013-01-16 01:42:57 PM

alywa: Pray 4 Mojo: Found On Road Dead

NO, it's Fix It Again Tony.

/sheesh, get it right


I was told it was  Poor Old Newb Thinks It's A Cadillac.

/RIP Fiero
 
2013-01-16 01:44:38 PM

alywa: Pray 4 Mojo: Found On Road Dead

NO, it's Fix It Again Tony.

/sheesh, get it right


That's the Fiat.  You should have said Fix Or Repair Daily.

/now who's getting it wrong?
 
2013-01-16 01:45:56 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: Found On Road Dead

/I just came up with that.


Fixed on race day

/or farked on race day

//RIP Ranger
 
2013-01-16 01:46:14 PM

TheGreatGazoo: When did full sized trucks start getting so big?


When the cab got longer than the bed.

/98 F-150
//No real complaints; lousy brakes though
 
2013-01-16 01:46:39 PM
Because people actually drive their F150 instead of leaving it in the garage 9 months out of the year?
 
2013-01-16 01:48:00 PM
Here's why it's more important. Adding 4 doors to a Corvette makes it look ridiculous. Adding 4 doors to a pickup truck makes it bigger. And bigger is better, damnit. Especially when you're a soccer mom or middle-aged accountant living in suburbia and you need to be inside of that tiny shaded area of the Venn diagram created at the intersection of "I'm still young and cool", "I can fit the entire family in it to get to the movies" and "I can haul 20 packs of bounty home from Costco." There's no other vehicle that will allow you to accomplish all these things while still being able to lean up against it on a sunny, summer afternoon, pop a beer, and complain that the price of gas is ridiculous and those damn gubmint bureaucrats need to fix shiat, I'll-tell-you-what.
 
2013-01-16 01:49:22 PM
Holy hell batman, why did I have to read all the way down to the end of the article to finally get an answer to that nagging question raised in the headline?

For those curious:
"It will be more aerodynamic, carry an evolved EcoBoost engine, and will weigh as much as 700 pounds less than the current truck."
 
2013-01-16 01:51:34 PM

hoots_toot_ochaye: alywa: Pray 4 Mojo: Found On Road Dead

NO, it's Fix It Again Tony.

/sheesh, get it right

That's the Fiat.  You should have said Fix Or Repair Daily.

/now who's getting it wrong?


The point is I'd rather push my Ford than drive your Chevy. And by that, I mean I'd like to have sexual relations with my Ford while your Chevy watches.
 
2013-01-16 01:53:19 PM

TheGreatGazoo: When did full sized trucks start getting so big?

I have a 98 full sized Chevy and that thing looks to be a foot taller and several feet longer. I know someone with a fancy F150 that has automatic step bars that just about break your legs if you get too close to them. My truck doesn't need them.

I'm not talking about a low rider, but a reasonable ride height and vehicle size would have to be lighter and get better gas mileage. Plus you wouldn't need a tow hitch with a drop in it.


They aren't actually bigger in most cases. The shape has just been contoured to make it appear bigger. Plus the roof pillars have been chunked out for safety reasons and the wheels are bigger. The big-ness is an optical illusion. My 2007 F-150 isn't any bigger than the 1989 Chevy 1500 I started with as a teen.

I like the Atlas a lot except one thing. The grill and front end treatment just seems too busy. I hope they simplify it a bit for production. Keep the tail lights and interior though. They rock.
 
2013-01-16 01:54:16 PM
I liked the Tacoma and Frontier as they were still smaller trucks.
They are getting American Bloat now as well.
 
2013-01-16 01:59:41 PM

TheGreatGazoo: When did full sized trucks start getting so big?

I have a 98 full sized Chevy and that thing looks to be a foot taller and several feet longer. I know someone with a fancy F150 that has automatic step bars that just about break your legs if you get too close to them. My truck doesn't need them.

I'm not talking about a low rider, but a reasonable ride height and vehicle size would have to be lighter and get better gas mileage. Plus you wouldn't need a tow hitch with a drop in it.


It comes from wheel size. My 1975 F150 has 15" wheels, my 2001 F150 has 16". Now they are standard with 17" or 18" and you can get them with larger of course.
 
hej
2013-01-16 02:00:54 PM
While we're at it,
Fraternity Of Redneck Drivers
 
2013-01-16 02:01:27 PM
The author of that article should become a politician. He can talk and talk and not say a farking thing.
 
2013-01-16 02:05:13 PM

alywa: The point is I'd rather push my Ford than drive your Chevy. And by that, I mean I'd like to have sexual relations with my Ford while your Chevy watches.


I've never owned a Chevy.  I have owned a Ford though - a candy apple red Pinto station wagon, with the fake woodgrain sides.  It was a fun thing to drive, and no, it didn't asplode.
 
2013-01-16 02:06:24 PM

jchic: alywa: Pray 4 Mojo: Found On Road Dead

NO, it's Fix It Again Tony.

/sheesh, get it right

That the Fiat, Dale.


I thought that was Feeble Italian Attempt at Transportation....
 
2013-01-16 02:14:47 PM
Other notable cars:

VW's plug-in hybrid diesel SUV - 36 mpg. Combined horsepower 306 with 516 pound-feet of torque. Too bad it's just a concept. Link

The all-electric 2013 Nissan LEAF. Looks to have 20% more range, for 20% less cost. Starts at $21k after rebates/incentives. Link

And of course the Tesla X Link

Those are the one's I'm most interested in.
 
2013-01-16 02:19:42 PM
The truck is nice and all... but let's deal with the real issue here...

When the FARK is somebody gonna make a 3/4 ton SUV with a diesel again?!?!

I'm looking at YOU... GM. Get on that shiat.
 
2013-01-16 02:23:49 PM
Unless I can stomp the gas pedal, burn out the rear tires, step out of the car, make a staccato self-satisfied sniff and say "Mericuh" in the F-150, this headline is false.
 
2013-01-16 02:24:28 PM
With a 700lb weight reduction and the EcoBoost engine, I'm wondering what kind of mileage it will get.  I think that if Ford can somehow get these trucks in the mid-20's in fuel economy, that would be huge.
 
2013-01-16 02:26:48 PM

Zembla: Holy hell batman, why did I have to read all the way down to the end of the article to finally get an answer to that nagging question raised in the headline?

For those curious:
"It will be more aerodynamic, carry an evolved EcoBoost engine, and will weigh as much as 700 pounds less than the current truck."


I heard the frame will be built with aluminum.
Pros vs Cons...
 
2013-01-16 02:27:56 PM
This article jumps on the old "people who own truck but don't need them" boloney. Very few people really fall into that category. 6 out of 7 days I don't put anything in the back of my truck that I couldn't have fit into an SUV or small car, but the shiat that goes in the back on the 7th drives demand. Driveway space, lack of a garage space, upkeep and finances usually dictate that a person not own a truck and a car. Having useless 2X year old "adult" children that would just borrow a "spare" vehicle anyway factors in as well. I'd love to be driving a little performance car daily instead, but then I'd b the one constantly asking for help from those around me that thought ahead enough to buy a truck. I'd be just like my sister in law with the Mercedes SUV that is too expensive to Sport Utilize in any way or my friends with the Toyota cars and a Corvette in the garage.

I tend to think the same goes for the proverbial guy in the burbs as well. People who have trouble minding their own business see an empty bed and think the guy doesn't need that vehicle. Being gay, they then think about his penis size and what it would feel like in their mouths, but that's beside the point. That same guy might be picking up a water heat (a cold water heater) on Saturday. Maybe the following weekend he is loading roofing materials for friends. A week after that he might be helping someone move - the same sort of someone who believes they know what kind of vehicles everyone needs.

Love talking the heavy hitting issues of the day...
 
2013-01-16 02:32:55 PM
robocoparchive.com

/More importantly, I'm done reading any further Jalopnik articles.
 
2013-01-16 02:32:57 PM

TheGreatGazoo: When did full sized trucks start getting so big?

I have a 98 full sized Chevy and that thing looks to be a foot taller and several feet longer. I know someone with a fancy F150 that has automatic step bars that just about break your legs if you get too close to them. My truck doesn't need them.

I'm not talking about a low rider, but a reasonable ride height and vehicle size would have to be lighter and get better gas mileage. Plus you wouldn't need a tow hitch with a drop in it.


FTA:

And if the features previewed on the Atlas carry over to the production F-150, then it will be as revolutionary as the Corvette. It will be more aerodynamic, carry an evolved EcoBoost engine, and will weigh as much as 700 pounds less than the current truck.
 
2013-01-16 02:34:39 PM
Ford's engineers beat that truck with the ugly stick. It sure as hell doesn't look more aerodynamic than the current model.
 
2013-01-16 02:42:05 PM
For the first time ever I'm actually thinking of getting a truck. I just bought my first house last year (Sept) and I've needed to borrow a truck from a friend for house work 6 times already. My car is a 05 GTI with low milage (65k) that's paid off and I ride my motorcycle 9 months of the year for daily commute (which gets about 45-50mph). So the truck would be for weekend/family time and commuting the 3 months it's too cold to ride at 6 am.
 
2013-01-16 02:43:40 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: This article jumps on the old "people who own truck but don't need them" boloney. Very few people really fall into that category. 6 out of 7 days I don't put anything in the back of my truck that I couldn't have fit into an SUV or small car, but the shiat that goes in the back on the 7th drives demand. Driveway space, lack of a garage space, upkeep and finances usually dictate that a person not own a truck and a car. Having useless 2X year old "adult" children that would just borrow a "spare" vehicle anyway factors in as well. I'd love to be driving a little performance car daily instead, but then I'd b the one constantly asking for help from those around me that thought ahead enough to buy a truck. I'd be just like my sister in law with the Mercedes SUV that is too expensive to Sport Utilize in any way or my friends with the Toyota cars and a Corvette in the garage.

I tend to think the same goes for the proverbial guy in the burbs as well. People who have trouble minding their own business see an empty bed and think the guy doesn't need that vehicle. Being gay, they then think about his penis size and what it would feel like in their mouths, but that's beside the point. That same guy might be picking up a water heat (a cold water heater) on Saturday. Maybe the following weekend he is loading roofing materials for friends. A week after that he might be helping someone move - the same sort of someone who believes they know what kind of vehicles everyone needs.

Love talking the heavy hitting issues of the day...


Heh, I agree completely. I love driving my Mustang, especially in the summer when I can cruise around with the top down. You know what I don't like? Not being able to transport anything larger than a toaster oven. Yeah, I may not need to drive around with a bed full of lumber every day, but for those times when I get a project in mind and build a list of things I'll need to pick up at the hardware store, I'm really starting to wish I had a damn truck.
 
2013-01-16 02:53:47 PM
I'm really not a fan of the family-friendly SUVs (with a tiny pickup bed). If I had one of those I'd still need to rent a damn truck.
 
2013-01-16 03:19:51 PM

hoots_toot_ochaye: alywa: The point is I'd rather push my Ford than drive your Chevy. And by that, I mean I'd like to have sexual relations with my Ford while your Chevy watches.

I've never owned a Chevy.  I have owned a Ford though - a candy apple red Pinto station wagon, with the fake woodgrain sides.  It was a fun thing to drive, and no, it didn't asplode.


of course it didn't, the hatchbacks were the asplody ones! and, if I'm recalling correctly, all the asplody business was trumped for the cameras. while they were suseptable to ruptured tanks in rear end collisions, they actually had to ignite them when they filmed it for the expose. I think they did the same thing for the trucks with the side saddle fuel tanks.

ddam: For the first time ever I'm actually thinking of getting a truck. I just bought my first house last year (Sept) and I've needed to borrow a truck from a friend for house work 6 times already. My car is a 05 GTI with low milage (65k) that's paid off and I ride my motorcycle 9 months of the year for daily commute (which gets about 45-50mph). So the truck would be for weekend/family time and commuting the 3 months it's too cold to ride at 6 am.


for all that, go ahead and get an older truck, hell, swing by the county auctions and pick one up for a couple grand Don't spend a lot of money, but keep in mind that trucks usually hold their value pretty well. Stay away from older model Dodge's. they tend to have transmission problems.

trust me on this.


I love my 2002 F-150, love my old beater 93 ram, I would love it even more if i had $1800 to replace the transmission. oh.. but does that engine growl!
 
2013-01-16 03:22:29 PM
'92 F150 standard cab, long wheelbase. No muffler, passenger side window held up with a stick, have to roll down driver's side window to open door, wipers work if you jiggle the switch just right, steering is a bit iffy, about 19 mpg, just reached 180,000 miles (original engine).

/best truck I've ever owned
 
2013-01-16 03:45:45 PM
my brother is the suspension engineering manager for f-150s....whereas i have to work with these slingblade motherfarkers up at G.M.
 
2013-01-16 03:56:04 PM
I miss small trucks. CAFE effectively killed them.
 
2013-01-16 04:14:24 PM

Monkey2: '92 F150 standard cab, long wheelbase. No muffler, passenger side window held up with a stick, have to roll down driver's side window to open door, wipers work if you jiggle the switch just right, steering is a bit iffy, about 19 mpg, just reached 180,000 miles (original engine).

/best truck I've ever owned


sheeeeeee-it.. I got a 92 ESCORT with OVER 400,000 miles, on the original engine!

now.. granted, the drivers side door is a miscolored transplant that hangs a little so it doesn't seal right., the plastic bumper covers are all shot from years, and YEARS of UV exposure and the wife rear ended somebody, tapped them really and shattered the front bumper, leaving the radiator exposed. when I replaced the fuel pump I messed up and caught the floaty thingy under the fill tube so that the gas guage never really reads over a quarter tank full..

also, my little niece found a can of spray paint and the wife let her diddle all over it so there are runny black hearts and smily faces all over it...

but.. OTHER THAN THAT! she runs like a top and always passes inspection!
 
2013-01-16 04:23:33 PM
I miss me 4dr Frontier big time.
Converted to Highlander with 3rd Row as kids got into "take friends too" age.

Now, to do the same stuff weekly I did with my truck I have a hitch carrier and a trailer.
More space taken up in my yard, more expense, more hooking/unhooking.

Did I mention I love my children.
Hence the freakin SUV.
 
2013-01-16 04:23:33 PM

Cerebral Knievel: Monkey2: '92 F150 standard cab, long wheelbase. No muffler, passenger side window held up with a stick, have to roll down driver's side window to open door, wipers work if you jiggle the switch just right, steering is a bit iffy, about 19 mpg, just reached 180,000 miles (original engine).

/best truck I've ever owned

sheeeeeee-it.. I got a 92 ESCORT with OVER 400,000 miles, on the original engine!

now.. granted, the drivers side door is a miscolored transplant that hangs a little so it doesn't seal right., the plastic bumper covers are all shot from years, and YEARS of UV exposure and the wife rear ended somebody, tapped them really and shattered the front bumper, leaving the radiator exposed. when I replaced the fuel pump I messed up and caught the floaty thingy under the fill tube so that the gas guage never really reads over a quarter tank full..

also, my little niece found a can of spray paint and the wife let her diddle all over it so there are runny black hearts and smily faces all over it...

but.. OTHER THAN THAT! she runs like a top and always passes inspection!


If you ever plan on getting rid of it, let me know. Sounds like my kind of car. Gas gauges are overrated anyhow. Only one of them works on the truck. If you know what your approx fuel mileage is then you know when to put gas in the damn thing.
 
2013-01-16 05:38:05 PM

BHShaman: I liked the Tacoma and Frontier as they were still smaller trucks.
They are getting American Bloat now as well.


ford recently killed off the ranger/mazda b2000 series... which leaves exactly nothing in the way of a small pickup... which I suspect there is a bit of market demand for... 4 cyl, manual tranny, lil pickup... why won't they make something I'd like to buy?
 
2013-01-16 05:55:02 PM

Sofa King Smart: BHShaman: I liked the Tacoma and Frontier as they were still smaller trucks.
They are getting American Bloat now as well.

ford recently killed off the ranger/mazda b2000 series... which leaves exactly nothing in the way of a small pickup... which I suspect there is a bit of market demand for... 4 cyl, manual tranny, lil pickup... why won't they make something I'd like to buy?


because why sell a $6000 basic pick up when you can sell a $15-30,000 full sized in whatever configuration you may desire, you want a compact pick up? here is a $12,000 base model F-150
 
2013-01-16 05:59:03 PM

StrangeQ: Big_Fat_Liar: This article jumps on the old "people who own truck but don't need them" boloney. Very few people really fall into that category. 6 out of 7 days I don't put anything in the back of my truck that I couldn't have fit into an SUV or small car, but the shiat that goes in the back on the 7th drives demand. Driveway space, lack of a garage space, upkeep and finances usually dictate that a person not own a truck and a car. Having useless 2X year old "adult" children that would just borrow a "spare" vehicle anyway factors in as well. I'd love to be driving a little performance car daily instead, but then I'd b the one constantly asking for help from those around me that thought ahead enough to buy a truck. I'd be just like my sister in law with the Mercedes SUV that is too expensive to Sport Utilize in any way or my friends with the Toyota cars and a Corvette in the garage.

I tend to think the same goes for the proverbial guy in the burbs as well. People who have trouble minding their own business see an empty bed and think the guy doesn't need that vehicle. Being gay, they then think about his penis size and what it would feel like in their mouths, but that's beside the point. That same guy might be picking up a water heat (a cold water heater) on Saturday. Maybe the following weekend he is loading roofing materials for friends. A week after that he might be helping someone move - the same sort of someone who believes they know what kind of vehicles everyone needs.

Love talking the heavy hitting issues of the day...

Heh, I agree completely. I love driving my Mustang, especially in the summer when I can cruise around with the top down. You know what I don't like? Not being able to transport anything larger than a toaster oven. Yeah, I may not need to drive around with a bed full of lumber every day, but for those times when I get a project in mind and build a list of things I'll need to pick up at the hardware store, I'm really starting to wish I had a ...


A Mustang is defintiely one of my top picks for the daily drive. Loved my old 69. I know a guy who had a reciever installed on his late 90s Camaro. Maybe you could consider doing that....no, don't!
 
2013-01-16 06:01:33 PM
Why did the F-150 ever receive a shiny nose. It is not Rudolph. Make it look like a truck again.
 
2013-01-16 06:15:02 PM
Are we still doing Ford vs Chevy?

/Seems a little silly.
 
2013-01-16 06:20:29 PM
Like the truck, Grille is hideous. Attention ALL truck manufacturers. STOP MAKING HUGE GRILLES OUT OF PLASTICHROME. If you want it plastic, please paint it to match the truck.
 
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