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(Complex)   Restin' your players during a regular season NBA game? That's a suin'   (complex.com) divider line 41
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2013-01-16 01:59:24 PM  
The restaurant comparison is stupid.

Here is what you get when you decide to buy a ticket for the "Spurs vs. Heat".... a seat in an arena to watch 12 guys with jerseys that say "Spurs" on it, and 12 guys with jerseys that say "Heat" on it, play a basketball game against each other.

There are no other "guarantees".... all of the starters for a team could have gotten injured the game before.... a flu bug takes out James & Wade..... or in this case, we just need to rest our best, old guys because the NBA can't schedule worth a damn.

If you don't like the "steak", just like at the steak house, you can complain, maybe you get your money back, but otherwise, you just don't go back to the establishment.
 
2013-01-16 02:45:29 PM  

dletter: Here is what you get when you decide to buy a ticket for the "Spurs vs. Heat".... a seat in an arena to watch 12 guys with jerseys that say "Spurs" on it, and 12 guys with jerseys that say "Heat" on it, play a basketball game against each other.

There are no other "guarantees".... all of the starters for a team could have gotten injured the game before.... a flu bug takes out James & Wade..... or in this case, we just need to rest our best, old guys because the NBA can't schedule worth a damn.


Agreed.  However, I do think Miami owes it to the NBA to play LeBron for at least a little bit each game (unless he's hurt).  Not *legally* obligated, and I hope this gets thrown out.

The Bulls rarely rested Jordan.  It wouldn't be fair to the fans, IMHO.
 
2013-01-16 03:06:23 PM  
What a whiny biatch. The only obligation Popovich has is to try to win an NBA title. If he felt resting his guys when the schedule sucked was the best move, that's his decision to make. Stern had no right to issue a fine, and this douche has no case.
 
2013-01-16 03:15:17 PM  
Awesome, now fans can throw frivolous lawsuits when a coach benches a player.. hell, why stop there, sue the player for getting injured and not being able to play... hey, even if you dont like the offense the coach runs...
 
2013-01-16 03:19:40 PM  
I'd be curious to hear if this really is someone who bet large and lost because a spread was suspiciously large or small, maybe a coach could be mailing his scheduled rests for players to specific groups who then gain a gambling advantage.

about 25% of the nba season is irrelevant anyways
 
2013-01-16 03:20:31 PM  
I clicked on this thinking someone would blame lawyers and I was going to post a reply that you can't blame attorneys for filing cases on behalf of clients, and that everyone has a right to have their grievances heard by a court.

Then I read TFA and saw it's an attorney filing a class action suit (he's part of the class, but still). Someone has too much time on their hands.

It was actually a pretty good game, with San Antonio about even going into the final minute of play.
 
2013-01-16 03:25:59 PM  
My first in-the-flesh NFL game was a preseason '49ers vs Seattle Seahawks tilt when the '9ers still had Joe Montana and Steve Young. Neither played.

We were seated as far from the field as possible, down the left-field line behind where the temporary bleachers would be set up for baseball, up near the rim of the toilet seat. Bob Uecker kept turning around and pointing at our seats and laughing.

The most entertaining thing we saw the entire game, was some trench-coat fool challenging another guy to fight, and the guy kept refusing. Finally the challengee pulled Trench-coat's trench-coat over his head hockey style, and proceeded to beat the shiat out of him. We got to participate when security tried to haul off the wrong guy.

Did I sue? No, I just didn't attend another NFL game for 15 years.
 
2013-01-16 03:44:05 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: My first in-the-flesh NFL game was a preseason '49ers vs Seattle Seahawks tilt when the '9ers still had Joe Montana and Steve Young. Neither played.

We were seated as far from the field as possible, down the left-field line behind where the temporary bleachers would be set up for baseball, up near the rim of the toilet seat. Bob Uecker kept turning around and pointing at our seats and laughing.

The most entertaining thing we saw the entire game, was some trench-coat fool challenging another guy to fight, and the guy kept refusing. Finally the challengee pulled Trench-coat's trench-coat over his head hockey style, and proceeded to beat the shiat out of him. We got to participate when security tried to haul off the wrong guy.

Did I sue? No, I just didn't attend another NFL game for 15 years.


Your first problem was thinking you'd get anything entertaining from a Preseason NFL game.   There is a reason why they want to whack most of the Preseason games.
 
2013-01-16 03:52:22 PM  
I've always thought that relegation (and obviously a second tier) to American professional sports would make things interesting.

Certainly would make that Wednesday night in Toronto just as important as a Friday night in Los Angeles.
 
2013-01-16 04:10:20 PM  

dletter: Your first problem was thinking you'd get anything entertaining from a Preseason NFL game.


Oh, we got entertainment. After the game, we ran out of gas in Hunters Point. THAT's entertainment.
 
2013-01-16 04:12:33 PM  
He claims that they suffered "economic damages" when they paid large sums of money to see the Spurs and Heat and were deprived of the full experience of a Spurs/Heat game by Popovich's decision.

Did his ticket say "Spurs vs. Heat" on them, or did it say "Tim Duncan vs. Lebron James"? Because only one of those things means he has a case.


/Knicks should sit Stat and Anthony for the London game
//Because fark England
 
2013-01-16 04:14:05 PM  
The NBA allows teams 15 roster spots. That means the coach can use those 15 players any way he sees fit. If he wants to sign Lebron and Kobe and then bench them for 82 games, he should be allowed to.
 
2013-01-16 04:24:17 PM  
Hells fire, they all look the same anyways.
 
2013-01-16 04:29:26 PM  
I think the lawsuit is frivolous, but at the same time I don't think you can say that the fan got exactly what he paid for. While it's true they pay for a Spurs/Heat game, most teams advertise by showing pictures of their star players. If someone sees a bus with a giant-ass picture of Tony Parker on it and it says "Buy Spurs Tickets" and you buy tickets and Tony Parker doesn't even play, then you're not exactly getting what the ad said.

Think of it like any other form of entertainment. If you saw a billboard for a circus, and it had an elephant balancing on a ball in a ring of fire. You might say, "Wow! I want to go see that!" so you buy a ticket to the circus and it's just clowns pretending to throw water on each other and a guy walking llamas in a circle. You'd say, "But your ad shows an elephant standing on a ball in a ring of fire" and you'd be disappointed if they said, "oh, we have one, he's just in the back. Resting."

Now, you can't legislate injuries or require any team to play people based on what they sold tickets for. But the consumer has some reason to be upset.
 
2013-01-16 04:35:34 PM  

Treygreen13: If someone sees a bus with a giant-ass picture of Tony Parker on it and it says "Buy Spurs Tickets" and you buy tickets and Tony Parker doesn't even play, then you're not exactly getting what the ad said.

Think of it like any other form of entertainment. If you saw a billboard for a circus, and it had an elephant balancing on a ball in a ring of fire. You might say, "Wow! I want to go see that!" so you buy a ticket to the circus and it's just clowns pretending to throw water on each other and a guy walking llamas in a circle. You'd say, "But your ad shows an elephant standing on a ball in a ring of fire" and you'd be disappointed if they said, "oh, we have one, he's just in the back. Resting."

Now, you can't legislate injuries or require any team to play people based on what they sold tickets for. But the consumer has some reason to be upset.


This seems legit. Or perhaps announce the planned rest ahead of time.
 
2013-01-16 04:42:21 PM  

Treygreen13: I think the lawsuit is frivolous, but at the same time I don't think you can say that the fan got exactly what he paid for. While it's true they pay for a Spurs/Heat game, most teams advertise by showing pictures of their star players. If someone sees a bus with a giant-ass picture of Tony Parker on it and it says "Buy Spurs Tickets" and you buy tickets and Tony Parker doesn't even play, then you're not exactly getting what the ad said.


But this was a home game in Miami. I'm sure there aren't buses in Miami with Spurs players on them.This would have more teeth if they were Spurs fans and it was a Spurs home game and two of the player sitting out that night weren't at the later part of their career. 35/36 is a bit old for a pro athlete
 
2013-01-16 04:49:26 PM  

This Looks Fun: This seems legit. Or perhaps announce the planned rest ahead of time.


I don't think it's possible to announce rest far enough in advance for any ticket purchase.

I understand players missing time due to injury, and sometimes a team will have a commanding lead and begin resting players late in seasons. But just sitting 4 starters with no injury early in the season seems unfair to the consumer. Imagine if, in week 2, the Packers said, "Let's just give the backups some time because the team is tired from flying in from California".

I just don't think you can sue for it. Their punishment was already handed down by the league and anyone affected by it negatively can choose to not purchase tickets again.
 
2013-01-16 04:50:55 PM  

Krab: Treygreen13: I think the lawsuit is frivolous, but at the same time I don't think you can say that the fan got exactly what he paid for. While it's true they pay for a Spurs/Heat game, most teams advertise by showing pictures of their star players. If someone sees a bus with a giant-ass picture of Tony Parker on it and it says "Buy Spurs Tickets" and you buy tickets and Tony Parker doesn't even play, then you're not exactly getting what the ad said.


But this was a home game in Miami. I'm sure there aren't buses in Miami with Spurs players on them.This would have more teeth if they were Spurs fans and it was a Spurs home game and two of the player sitting out that night weren't at the later part of their career. 35/36 is a bit old for a pro athlete


You make a good point there. Since it was in Miami, there are no Spurs players on buses.

/unless one of the Spurs players really needs to get somewhere but also wants to be environmentally conscious
 
2013-01-16 04:50:59 PM  
I once read that the Chicago Bears had to refund tickets when Red Grange was unable to play once.
 
2013-01-16 04:52:44 PM  

Treygreen13: I think the lawsuit is frivolous, but at the same time I don't think you can say that the fan got exactly what he paid for. While it's true they pay for a Spurs/Heat game, most teams advertise by showing pictures of their star players. If someone sees a bus with a giant-ass picture of Tony Parker on it and it says "Buy Spurs Tickets" and you buy tickets and Tony Parker doesn't even play, then you're not exactly getting what the ad said.

Think of it like any other form of entertainment. If you saw a billboard for a circus, and it had an elephant balancing on a ball in a ring of fire. You might say, "Wow! I want to go see that!" so you buy a ticket to the circus and it's just clowns pretending to throw water on each other and a guy walking llamas in a circle. You'd say, "But your ad shows an elephant standing on a ball in a ring of fire" and you'd be disappointed if they said, "oh, we have one, he's just in the back. Resting."

Now, you can't legislate injuries or require any team to play people based on what they sold tickets for. But the consumer has some reason to be upset.


Really? The Miami Heat advertise by using their opponents? I've only seen that 1 time when Vanderbilt was trying to sell season tickets to home games long before James Franklin was coach. "Come see Notre Dame, Florida AND Tennessee" (before they sucked)
 
2013-01-16 04:56:16 PM  

PluckYew: Treygreen13: I think the lawsuit is frivolous, but at the same time I don't think you can say that the fan got exactly what he paid for. While it's true they pay for a Spurs/Heat game, most teams advertise by showing pictures of their star players. If someone sees a bus with a giant-ass picture of Tony Parker on it and it says "Buy Spurs Tickets" and you buy tickets and Tony Parker doesn't even play, then you're not exactly getting what the ad said.

Think of it like any other form of entertainment. If you saw a billboard for a circus, and it had an elephant balancing on a ball in a ring of fire. You might say, "Wow! I want to go see that!" so you buy a ticket to the circus and it's just clowns pretending to throw water on each other and a guy walking llamas in a circle. You'd say, "But your ad shows an elephant standing on a ball in a ring of fire" and you'd be disappointed if they said, "oh, we have one, he's just in the back. Resting."

Now, you can't legislate injuries or require any team to play people based on what they sold tickets for. But the consumer has some reason to be upset.

Really? The Miami Heat advertise by using their opponents? I've only seen that 1 time when Vanderbilt was trying to sell season tickets to home games long before James Franklin was coach. "Come see Notre Dame, Florida AND Tennessee" (before they sucked)


I know for sure the NBA, or whoever is carrying the game, advertises with players. Go look at the TV ads for high-profile matchups. They promote players, not logos.
 
2013-01-16 05:03:56 PM  
I went to a Nationals game last season after they shut down Stephen Strasburg. I guess I should look into getting a lawyer also.

Or I should just let the goddam manager/coach look out for the best interests of his team, but whatever.
 
2013-01-16 05:08:22 PM  
I demand the Knicks have a chinaman as pg
 
2013-01-16 05:11:22 PM  

Treygreen13: This Looks Fun: This seems legit. Or perhaps announce the planned rest ahead of time.

I don't think it's possible to announce rest far enough in advance for any ticket purchase.

I understand players missing time due to injury, and sometimes a team will have a commanding lead and begin resting players late in seasons. But just sitting 4 starters with no injury early in the season seems unfair to the consumer. Imagine if, in week 2, the Packers said, "Let's just give the backups some time because the team is tired from flying in from California".

I just don't think you can sue for it. Their punishment was already handed down by the league and anyone affected by it negatively can choose to not purchase tickets again.


Yeah, I dunno. On the one had, I say the coach is charged to make the best decisions for his team, and mechanically, this was a goo done, I think. OTOH, my girl and I bought Wiz/Clips tickets last season and if the Clippers rested a healthy Blake Griffin, I would have been pretty disappointed and probably left in the first quarter.
 
2013-01-16 05:11:32 PM  

Treygreen13: PluckYew: Treygreen13: I think the lawsuit is frivolous, but at the same time I don't think you can say that the fan got exactly what he paid for. While it's true they pay for a Spurs/Heat game, most teams advertise by showing pictures of their star players. If someone sees a bus with a giant-ass picture of Tony Parker on it and it says "Buy Spurs Tickets" and you buy tickets and Tony Parker doesn't even play, then you're not exactly getting what the ad said.

Think of it like any other form of entertainment. If you saw a billboard for a circus, and it had an elephant balancing on a ball in a ring of fire. You might say, "Wow! I want to go see that!" so you buy a ticket to the circus and it's just clowns pretending to throw water on each other and a guy walking llamas in a circle. You'd say, "But your ad shows an elephant standing on a ball in a ring of fire" and you'd be disappointed if they said, "oh, we have one, he's just in the back. Resting."

Now, you can't legislate injuries or require any team to play people based on what they sold tickets for. But the consumer has some reason to be upset.

Really? The Miami Heat advertise by using their opponents? I've only seen that 1 time when Vanderbilt was trying to sell season tickets to home games long before James Franklin was coach. "Come see Notre Dame, Florida AND Tennessee" (before they sucked)

I know for sure the NBA, or whoever is carrying the game, advertises with players. Go look at the TV ads for high-profile matchups. They promote players, not logos.


keep moving those goalposts. If I had seen this I wouldn't have posted.
 
2013-01-16 05:12:54 PM  

Treygreen13: I know for sure the NBA, or whoever is carrying the game, advertises with players. Go look at the TV ads for high-profile matchups. They promote players, not logos.


This is true.
 
2013-01-16 05:20:02 PM  
I work for a large broadcasting company that airs NBA games. I have helped deal with the promos/commercials for each weeks games. Nothing sucks worse than finding out on Wednesday (or even Thursday morning) before the Thursday night game that a player is sick or injured; they would have to completely re-edit the promos to cut those players out. If the network is given enough heads up, they do everything in their power to NOT promote a player that they know is not going to play.
 
2013-01-16 06:02:50 PM  
I can see the guy's complaint but i can't see the lawsuit going anywhere.
 
2013-01-16 06:14:02 PM  

protectyourlimbs: Awesome, now fans can throw frivolous lawsuits when a coach benches a player.. hell, why stop there, sue the player for getting injured and not being able to play... hey, even if you dont like the offense the coach runs...


Don't give the Tebow sycophants any ideas.
 
2013-01-16 06:16:23 PM  

PluckYew: Treygreen13: PluckYew: Treygreen13: I think the lawsuit is frivolous, but at the same time I don't think you can say that the fan got exactly what he paid for. While it's true they pay for a Spurs/Heat game, most teams advertise by showing pictures of their star players. If someone sees a bus with a giant-ass picture of Tony Parker on it and it says "Buy Spurs Tickets" and you buy tickets and Tony Parker doesn't even play, then you're not exactly getting what the ad said.

Think of it like any other form of entertainment. If you saw a billboard for a circus, and it had an elephant balancing on a ball in a ring of fire. You might say, "Wow! I want to go see that!" so you buy a ticket to the circus and it's just clowns pretending to throw water on each other and a guy walking llamas in a circle. You'd say, "But your ad shows an elephant standing on a ball in a ring of fire" and you'd be disappointed if they said, "oh, we have one, he's just in the back. Resting."

Now, you can't legislate injuries or require any team to play people based on what they sold tickets for. But the consumer has some reason to be upset.

Really? The Miami Heat advertise by using their opponents? I've only seen that 1 time when Vanderbilt was trying to sell season tickets to home games long before James Franklin was coach. "Come see Notre Dame, Florida AND Tennessee" (before they sucked)

I know for sure the NBA, or whoever is carrying the game, advertises with players. Go look at the TV ads for high-profile matchups. They promote players, not logos.

keep moving those goalposts. If I had seen this I wouldn't have posted.


Please. As if I'm emotionally invested in the argument enough to try to move the goalposts. I addressed the fact that it was, in fact, a game in Miami and thus wouldn't have Spurs players heavily advertised locally. It was just an example of how a person might be expecting to see players from advertisements.

The fact is, people who care enough to sue for your roster moves go expecting to see players, not interchangeable dudes in jerseys. And if you're resting your starters for no reason other than "we had a long flight" then people who bought tickets expecting to see your full strength team are going to be disappointed.

Unless, of course, they bought it just because they wanted to go to a game. I do that plenty. Sometimes I'll just go catch a Stars game, or a minor league baseball game. The Grand Prairie Air Hogs have a fun little minor league stadium with a pool and the atmosphere is just neat. I couldn't care less who wins or even plays.

But something tells me this person is either A) extremely disappointed he didn't get to see the defending champs versus a perennial contender, B) a litigious douchebag or C) both.
 
2013-01-16 06:28:21 PM  
what a bunch of nonsense. the nba should be required to air ads on television that state that the purpose of teams in the league is NOT to win the championship, but to earn more money for the nba, if they're going to fine teams who are resting players in order to try and maximize their chances of winning the championship. and it should go without saying that the lawyer who filed this suit should have it dismissed, with prejudice, and have to pay the legal fees of the spurs, and probably be disbarred, because let's be honest, do you think that his other cases are beneficial to, or to the detriment of, the country as a whole?
 
2013-01-16 06:42:12 PM  
This is not a frivolous suit, there are perfectly valid legal issues here. The end result will probably sports leagues changing their ticket disclaimers (from simply "no refunds no exchanges") and some sort of tokens settlement involving donating tickets to charity.
 
2013-01-16 08:15:09 PM  

IURyan: I work for a large broadcasting company that airs NBA games. I have helped deal with the promos/commercials for each weeks games. Nothing sucks worse than finding out on Wednesday (or even Thursday morning) before the Thursday night game that a player is sick or injured; they would have to completely re-edit the promos to cut those players out. If the network is given enough heads up, they do everything in their power to NOT promote a player that they know is not going to play.


So, you don't want to tell us if you work for ESPN or TNT?  Oh wait, you are talking about the Thursday night games, so, it must be Turner.   What a sleuth I am.
 
2013-01-16 09:11:35 PM  
This is ENTIRELY David Stern's fault for fining the Spurs.
 
2013-01-16 09:15:53 PM  
Unless the Spurs either a) advertised fake players as real players like Tim Duncan, or b) brought in players that were scabs or some such regardless of name, this ass f*ck doesn't have a case and I hope he's disbarred.

It won't happen because the law protects itself, but it SHOULD happen.
 
2013-01-16 11:06:03 PM  

puffy999: This is ENTIRELY David Stern's fault for fining the Spurs.


Actually, that does bring up a point... does the fine give some credence to the lawsuit, legally?  Can they say "Well, it obviously wasn't proper, the league fined the team/coach!"
 
2013-01-17 04:28:11 AM  
If this works, I'm totally suing the NHL!

Oh wait...I live in Canada, where we can't sue on the grounds of ridiculousness or butthurt. Never mind.
 
2013-01-17 09:08:57 AM  
NBA management is full of terrible farks
 
2013-01-17 12:56:48 PM  

dletter: puffy999: This is ENTIRELY David Stern's fault for fining the Spurs.

Actually, that does bring up a point... does the fine give some credence to the lawsuit, legally?  Can they say "Well, it obviously wasn't proper, the league fined the team/coach!"


Pretty much; Stern opened up a hornets nest. Nothing new coming from him.
 
2013-01-18 03:46:49 AM  
First, why would you spend $63 for a steak?
Second, you got a ticket to watch a game that says spurs vs heat. It does not say who will actually be playing besides players from the heat and spurs.
Third, you are not going to be paid a hourly rate for not joining the entertainment event you attended. I was not paid for having to watch Gigli, you won't be paid for watching a nba game with a few members of the opposing team missing.
 
2013-01-18 05:26:53 AM  

downstairs: dletter: Here is what you get when you decide to buy a ticket for the "Spurs vs. Heat".... a seat in an arena to watch 12 guys with jerseys that say "Spurs" on it, and 12 guys with jerseys that say "Heat" on it, play a basketball game against each other.

There are no other "guarantees".... all of the starters for a team could have gotten injured the game before.... a flu bug takes out James & Wade..... or in this case, we just need to rest our best, old guys because the NBA can't schedule worth a damn.

Agreed.  However, I do think Miami owes it to the NBA to play LeBron for at least a little bit each game (unless he's hurt).  Not *legally* obligated, and I hope this gets thrown out.

The Bulls rarely rested Jordan.  It wouldn't be fair to the fans, IMHO.


That wasnt the bulls choice. michael scored 38 with the flu. you couldnt pull thay guy off the court.
 
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