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2013-01-16 02:21:06 PM
You're wrong, subby. It's plain as day why these proposals are unconstitutional:

-Obama proposed them
-Obama is an illegitimate Kenyanesian soshulist userper president
-Therfore they are unconstitutional.

Q.E.D.
 
2013-01-16 02:21:10 PM
Now a lot of Dem Senators need to decide if they want to risk losing their jobs. This will be interesting.
 
2013-01-16 02:21:16 PM

Callous: Grand_Moff_Joseph: bradknaus:  Fair point.  So, would you object to the extra steps I outlined above?  IMO, it would ensure that the rest of the folks who have ARs are handling them responsibly, as you seem to be.

No it wouldn't.  It would insure they had been through training to properly handle them but it doesn't mean they will abide by it.  And it still won't stop someone who snaps and shoots up a theater   And it won't stop someone who kills the lawful owner, steals her guns, and shoots up a school.

I have all my guns and ammo in a safe that weighs about 500lbs.  It's bolted to the floor joists and the studs in the wall.  Still with a crowbar mine would take less than 15 minutes to open, likely less than 10.  There are three crowbars, various grinders and saws in my basement capable of prying or cutting that safe open in a few minutes.  You can take steps to mitigate risk but you cannot ensure anything.


So we should do nothing. Got it.
 
2013-01-16 02:21:22 PM

Aarontology: I can't wait for a brave patriot to fight back against this and blow up a Federal building and murder hundreds of people like they did last time.


Blowing up a day care center is what Jefferson and Washington were all about, get with it man.
 
2013-01-16 02:21:28 PM
Has anyone considered what the next "reasonable and Constitutional expansions to regulation authority" will be?

It will not be long before some other horrendous soul searing outrage against humanity is perpetrated.
Counting; 10, 9,
Whatch gonna do?
 
2013-01-16 02:21:42 PM

Pocket Ninja: Actually, I've learned recently of how many road signs in the US are actually marked on the back with secret signals designed to communicate high-value strike targets and directions to an invading UN army, and on a recent trip into town noticed no less than FOUR new road signs along my regular route. I don't know if all of them had secret signals on the back, because it did not occur to me then to stop and check, but that sudden proliferation along with his new and unprecedented move against the Constitution makes me wonder if perhaps we are approaching some tipping point. I'm going to study it out a little more and see what else I can find; I earnestly suggest that everyone else does likewise.


That's why I've been sabotaging the invasion by moving road signs around. There have been a few fatal accidents from people blowing through intersections missing stop signs at 45 mph, but that is a small price to pay for freedom.
 
2013-01-16 02:21:48 PM
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

Because gun violence is inherently worse than every other type of violence...
 
2013-01-16 02:21:50 PM

Endive Wombat: Grand_Moff_Joseph: That's pretty much the point.  Yeah, it'll be a little more annoying for the 95% of folks like you who play it straight, but it standardizes the entire system, and (hopefully) makes a dent in keeping wholly unqualified people away from the guns.  The upshot, like you said, is that it's not a ban.  It's a bit more headache for a lot more safety, imo.

How does this address the millions of guns that are on the black market/in the hands of criminals who are not allowed to own a gun?


It's better to do nothing at all if you can't stop every gun crime, right?

Link
 
2013-01-16 02:21:58 PM
but my right-wing fb friends all tell me obama used kids a probs like hitler did, so he must be comin after my 2nd penis!!!!
 
2013-01-16 02:22:01 PM

vpb: So there is nothing there that would prevent a new assault weapons ban.  Not even in Scalia's opinion.


Except for the fact that they are very popular arms. They are "the sorts of lawful weapons that they [the people] possessed at home".
 
2013-01-16 02:22:10 PM

Weaver95: CapeFearCadaver: Weaver95: huh.  Rush Limbaugh just implied he's pro-choice now.

How?

oh he's saying that it's wrong for government to push people around and tell them how they live their lives.  that government CAN NOT under any circumstances ever be used to push 'hard working 'muricans' around.

basically, Limbaugh is saying he's now pro-choice.


He has an out, those women who are pro-choice are sluts, not hard working 'muricans.
 
2013-01-16 02:22:35 PM

LasersHurt: Endive Wombat: Grand_Moff_Joseph: That's pretty much the point.  Yeah, it'll be a little more annoying for the 95% of folks like you who play it straight, but it standardizes the entire system, and (hopefully) makes a dent in keeping wholly unqualified people away from the guns.  The upshot, like you said, is that it's not a ban.  It's a bit more headache for a lot more safety, imo.

How does this address the millions of guns that are on the black market/in the hands of criminals who are not allowed to own a gun?

It helps to slow the supply of guns through buyers TO the black market. After all, they start somewhere.


No it doesn't.  There are an estimated 300M guns in the US.  All a determined criminal needs to do is to simply break into someones house and take them.  Which is how a lot of guns get into the black market to begin with.  So this does nothing to address current supply.
 
2013-01-16 02:22:50 PM
Ermahgerd! My Gerns
 
2013-01-16 02:22:51 PM

LasersHurt: Endive Wombat: Grand_Moff_Joseph: That's pretty much the point.  Yeah, it'll be a little more annoying for the 95% of folks like you who play it straight, but it standardizes the entire system, and (hopefully) makes a dent in keeping wholly unqualified people away from the guns.  The upshot, like you said, is that it's not a ban.  It's a bit more headache for a lot more safety, imo.

How does this address the millions of guns that are on the black market/in the hands of criminals who are not allowed to own a gun?

It helps to slow the supply of guns through buyers TO the black market. After all, they start somewhere.


Oh, you mean like the ATF?
 
2013-01-16 02:23:00 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: And since there is no magic crystal ball that tells us when a law abiding gun owner will go bugshiat crazy,


we have ways of telling if someone may be at risk of misusing a firearm, like if they have a previous history of violence (i.e., Final Restraining Order or criminal conviction for a violent felony), or if they've ever been in a mental institution.
 
2013-01-16 02:23:09 PM

bradkanus: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Callous: I have read the 23 executive orders and nothing jumped out at me as bad.  I will have to look them over again when I have time to really think about them and see if my opinion changes.  My only concern would be abuse of the mental health system where people are too easily labeled unsuitable.

No to an AWB.   Could live with background checks for private sales if dealers aren't allowed to gouge us for making a phone call.  Or better yet make the NICSaccessible to everyone.  No to magazine bans.

/NRA Life Member

I just don't get the huge hang up about AWs and overly large mags.  Even in the hands of a sane and well trained person, I can't think of a single legitimate need to have either of those. (and "just because" doesn't pass muster, imo)

Still, how about this instead of an AWB:

1.  Each AW and large mag has to be serialized and registered to their specific owner
2.  Said owner must complete extra training and evaluations to obtain a license to own these items.  License includes demonstrating proper use and care, as well as a background check and mental health eval.
3.  License must be renewed every year, with proficiency retests every two years
4.  Fees for #2-3 will be subsidized to lower your out of pocket cost.  Subsidy will be paid for with increased fines on those who do not get licenses, and a 0.2% tax on all ammo sales (up to a max per transaction)
5.  If either the AWs or the mags are used in the commission of a crime, the penalties are doubled.  If this occurs because the items were stolen from you, you are not liable, unless you obviously left them unsecured.

I need want an AR-15 with a 30 magazine because I know there's someone out there who has one.  I'd hate to bring a revolver to a rifle fight.  I also purchased my "assault rife" because I hunt along the border with Mexico (In new mexico and texas) and had some encounters where my Browning Hi Power was useless.  I literally bought mine for protection while out hunting ...


Damn, I'd hate to be in the middle of the war zone you apparently live in.
 
2013-01-16 02:23:30 PM
Add me to the group surprised by lack 'outrageable' EOs. I get to save my outrage for Congress. Good.
 
2013-01-16 02:23:42 PM
Obama low information crime fighting plan?

Hassle law abiding people as much as possible.

It certainly will affect gangs in the streets of wherever big city shooting at each other, to see to it that Joe Whoever in Anytown USA has to comply with some left wing crazy wish list.

Yeah. Great plan.
 
2013-01-16 02:23:55 PM

Callous: Grand_Moff_Joseph: bradknaus:  Fair point.  So, would you object to the extra steps I outlined above?  IMO, it would ensure that the rest of the folks who have ARs are handling them responsibly, as you seem to be.

No it wouldn't.  It would insure they had been through training to properly handle them but it doesn't mean they will abide by it.  And it still won't stop someone who snaps and shoots up a theater   And it won't stop someone who kills the lawful owner, steals her guns, and shoots up a school.

I have all my guns and ammo in a safe that weighs about 500lbs.  It's bolted to the floor joists and the studs in the wall.  Still with a crowbar mine would take less than 15 minutes to open, likely less than 10.  There are three crowbars, various grinders and saws in my basement capable of prying or cutting that safe open in a few minutes.  You can take steps to mitigate risk but you cannot ensure anything.


You said the key word here - mitigation.  You are right, one can be assured of just about nothing in this world, regardless of subject.  but, if we can take steps to mitigate bad outcomes (without putting insurmountable barriers in front of the mostly civil and law-abiding populace), then we should at least try.
 
2013-01-16 02:23:58 PM

ItchyMcDoogle: Hey the gun rights people let these loudmouthed lunatics do the talking...You get what you pay for


LOL, ain't that the truth. One of the other threads here today links to a Huffpo article which cites Alex Jones and James "I'm going to start killing people" Yeager as the opposing viewpoints. Wonderful ambassadors there.

I can't stop LOL'ing.

/loves guns
//hates the right more
 
2013-01-16 02:23:59 PM

Endive Wombat: 2. "Universal Background Checks" - I have no idea what that means or how it differs from the current system. I do fear that like many things the federal government works on, it will become convoluted, bloated and inefficient


You can already go to an FFL and have them do a transfer for a person to person sale. They charge for it, since they have to enter the firearm into their bound book and may also be passing on any fees that the states who have their own dial in numbers charge.

Depending on the FFL, where I live these cost anywhere from 20 to 40 dollars.

In PA if you're selling a privately owned handgun you have to do this. In every state if you're buying a gun online it has to be shipped to the FFL and go through the check. And if you're buying across state lines - yup, FFL. In the buyer's state for a handgun, any FFL in any state for a long gun.
 
2013-01-16 02:24:01 PM
So far the consensus among the gun owners I know (myself included) is that a new AWB is unlikely to make it through Congress, and the rest of the stuff is entirely reasonable. Shrugs all around.
 
2013-01-16 02:24:11 PM

Pocket Ninja: Actually, I've learned recently of how many road signs in the US are actually marked on the back with secret signals designed to communicate high-value strike targets and directions to an invading UN army, and on a recent trip into town noticed no less than FOUR new road signs along my regular route. I don't know if all of them had secret signals on the back, because it did not occur to me then to stop and check, but that sudden proliferation along with his new and unprecedented move against the Constitution makes me wonder if perhaps we are approaching some tipping point. I'm going to study it out a little more and see what else I can find; I earnestly suggest that everyone else does likewise.


This is useless without research able links
 
2013-01-16 02:24:13 PM
expand background checks on gun buyers to include private sales and is using his executive authority to increase the information available in data banks in the background check system.

Fair enough, this is one of those "everyone agrees it's a good plan" things. Well, except the people exploiting the loopholes to avoid background checks, and the rest of us agree they can fark right off.

Obama is also ordering federal agencies to make "relevant data" available to the federal background check system and to remove barriers that might prevent states from providing information, particularly mental health data, for background checks.

Yeah, much as I'm in favor of HIPAA in general, if you've been ruled mentally incapable of self-control by a licensed physician, that needs to come up if you're buying a firearm, or explosives, or anything else that triggers the automatic background check.

Endive Wombat: How does this address the millions of guns that are on the black market/in the hands of criminals who are not allowed to own a gun?


Um... it doesn't. It just prevents them from being resold to other criminals legally. I guess it would increase the number of charges you'd face as a black-market dealer.

But you do realize that "black market" and "criminal" means the things you're talking about are already illegal, right? How exactly is a change in law or policy going to do anything there? Make them double-secret-illegal? At some point, it's an enforcement issue and you need to stop looking at the high end of the executive and the legislative and start looking at the ATF and the local cops.
 
2013-01-16 02:24:16 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Sounds reasonable, except the fact that criminals don't generally worry about getting a guy legally, they just steal them


Liar.
 
2013-01-16 02:24:20 PM
This is asinine and won't pass the Congress. Nice try, Fascist twit.
 
2013-01-16 02:24:32 PM

Frank N Stein: Weaver95: oh you should hear Limbaugh today.  He's already said that President Obama's kids shouldn't have guards, and I swear to f*cking god, I thought he was going to actually CRY at one point...the left is mocking the NRA you see.  and these things Obama is proposing have made Limbaugh very angry.

Why do you continue to listen to Limbaugh. Don't you have anything better to do than bate yourself into being outraged?


'outraged'?  more like 'amused'.  I know it's mean of me to say it but...I like watching Limbaugh disintegrate   that's one of the reasons I occasionally tune into his show.  listening to him paint himself into a corner day after day, then watching when he realizes he f*cked up just never gets old, at least not for me anyways.
 
2013-01-16 02:24:33 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: As a legal gun owner not one of these proposals has any impact on me at all.

Could somebody explain why I'm supposed to be outraged? I was promised jack-booted thugs stealin' mah gerns. This is what I get?

Sheesh. Worst. Tyrant. EVER.


The 2012 NDAA that destroyed the 5th, 6th, and 7th amendments are pretty tyranty.
 
2013-01-16 02:24:44 PM

Callous: How 'bout no. What you just described would turn a right into a privilege for the rich only. You really think that if the government institutes a tax on ammo to pay for mental health screenings and gun safety courses it will be used for that? Just look at the anti smoking campaigns as an example. They raise taxes on cigarettes to pay for it, put up a couple billboards and the rest goes into the general fund.


Citation requested for the anti-smoking funding allocation bit.
 
2013-01-16 02:24:48 PM
What is Obama doing?!?!? He was supposed to propose banning and confiscating all guns, while having all gun owners report promptly to forced labor camps.

Come on Obama, you're making a really lame run at becoming the next Hitler.
 
2013-01-16 02:24:53 PM

Fubini: Supporting a renewal of the AWB is silly, but otherwise I liked what I heard. I'm truly impressed that he seems to have targeted actions and reforms that get to the bulk of gun violence rather than focusing just on high-profile shootings like Sandy Hook or Aurora.


themindiswatching: I'm a bit concerned that this may make it less likely for people to get help from therapists, but other than that...


Pretty much these.

Other than the utterly idiotic retreading of the "VIOLENT VIDEOGAEMZ!!!" ground that he's got Biden marching, and the typical "IT'S TEH ASSALT WEPOWNZ!" squawking from the irresponsible crowd, I'm actually pretty pleased with Obama's handling of this issue.  Other than the expansion of the ATF anyway...

The ATF is essentially the TSA, but with tanks.  G-Men are garbage.  Reform that entire bureau and then we'll talk.  Until then, they need to be kept far, far away from everybody.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:03 PM
Gun ownership should be limited to the types of weapons available when the 2nd amendment was written.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:08 PM
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.

Will do nothing unless inner city unemployment, single parenthood and high drug/crime areas is addressed; which will not happen...just video games and violent movies.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:10 PM

bradkanus: Actually - the president could have declared assualt weapons a threat to national security and done away with them right then and there.  He didn't.  I can't speculate as to why, but that option was/is on the table. Past presidents have had no problem suspending our rights in the name of "national security."


This is a hell of a political football. I wouldn't want to be the one that fumbles it right now.

I'm glad his response appears to be reasonable. While I only have bolt action rifles and revolvers, I've had no problem with semi autos.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:19 PM

Endive Wombat: Grand_Moff_Joseph: That's pretty much the point.  Yeah, it'll be a little more annoying for the 95% of folks like you who play it straight, but it standardizes the entire system, and (hopefully) makes a dent in keeping wholly unqualified people away from the guns.  The upshot, like you said, is that it's not a ban.  It's a bit more headache for a lot more safety, imo.

How does this address the millions of guns that are on the black market/in the hands of criminals who are not allowed to own a gun?


I said in a different thread that there should be a reduction in the 4th amendment protections for violent felons. Basically from the point that you are release from jail for a violent crime the term "unreasonable" no longer legally applies to you. You forfeited that right when you killed/raped/etc someone.

They can be stopped, detained, and searched at any time. This would take a considerable amount of drugs and guns off the street.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:20 PM

Endive Wombat: How does this address the millions of guns that are on the black market/in the hands of criminals who are not allowed to own a gun?


Why don't you ask the NRA how they'd like to address it? After all, they're the self-proclaimed experts on guns. They're the guys who've ensured, all these years, that criminals have easy access to whatever kinds of weapons they want.

Instead, we get complaints about how the government makes it way too hard for us to shoot the President.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:23 PM

Fubini: Supporting a renewal of the AWB is silly, but otherwise I liked what I heard. I'm truly impressed that he seems to have targeted actions and reforms that get to the bulk of gun violence rather than focusing just on high-profile shootings like Sandy Hook or Aurora.


This.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:25 PM

Fark It: There's really nothing objectionable about these executive orders, and they should have been done a long time ago. Extending background checks to private sales isn't that big of a deal either (using the term 'gun show loophole' demonstrates an extremely under-informed view on the matter).

The congressional proposals are absolute non-starters, though.

/Obama isn't after (most of) our guns
//can't say the same about Cuomo or Feinstein


This^^^^^^^^^^^
 
2013-01-16 02:25:27 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Obama wants universal background checks for guns. Would it work?


Yup.

It's the sane thing to do.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:30 PM
He actually proposed 1,000 more officers for schools and NRA wingnuts are still furious. I don't get it. I heard nothing to be outragey about in his speech.
 
KIA
2013-01-16 02:25:39 PM
From a different site:

24. Ask Eric Holder to stop giving machine guns to drug cartels in Mexico.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:54 PM
The outrage will not be over until Fartbama is impeached, convicted, frogmarched out of the White House in chains, and executed for Crimes Against Humanity, and his entire administration likewise removed from office, all laws passed under his watch repealed, the Democrat Party banned and all Liberals shot. Then and only then, with a Christian Republican at the helm, can the healing of our Nation begin.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:55 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Aarontology: I can't wait for a brave patriot to fight back against this and blow up a Federal building and murder hundreds of people like they did last time.

Blowing up a day care center is what Jefferson and Washington were all about, get with it man.


Recall Patrick Henry's moving speech:

"Give me my narrow version of what I personally consider to be liberty, or I'll give your children death!"
 
2013-01-16 02:26:25 PM

Holocaust Agnostic: Fubini: Supporting a renewal of the AWB is silly, but otherwise I liked what I heard. I'm truly impressed that he seems to have targeted actions and reforms that get to the bulk of gun violence rather than focusing just on high-profile shootings like Sandy Hook or Aurora.

This.


Well, yeah, but if he REALLY wanted to make gun violence drop like a stone he'd have to address out nation's drug laws. But that ain't happening in my lifetime or yours.
 
2013-01-16 02:26:30 PM
Insatiable Jesus
Nice to see you are patiently waiting for more people to die
so you can claim the intellectual high ground
you sir, are a tool

While I can appreciate a knee jerk reaction to an incident
-it's what americans do-
I fail to see how these new edicts would have stopped any of the recent shootings
so
is the president pandering and placating
are we now safer than yesterday
OR
is this one of a chain of political moves designed to eventually remove firearms from the citizenry
 
2013-01-16 02:26:32 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: 1. Each AW and large mag has to be serialized and registered to their specific owner
2. Said owner must complete extra training and evaluations to obtain a license to own these items. License includes demonstrating proper use and care, as well as a background check and mental health eval.
3. License must be renewed every year, with proficiency retests every two years
4. Fees for #2-3 will be subsidized to lower your out of pocket cost. Subsidy will be paid for with increased fines on those who do not get licenses, and a 0.2% tax on all ammo sales (up to a max per transaction)
5. If either the AWs or the mags are used in the commission of a crime, the penalties are doubled. If this occurs because the items were stolen from you, you are not liable, unless you obviously left them unsecured.


or...

1. Recognize that semi-automatic rifles with certain cosmetic features are not, in fact, "assault weapons", and treat them like any other semi-automatic rifle.
 
2013-01-16 02:26:37 PM

aegean: Where are the reasonable limits to the first amendment? Would they include outlawing all liberal retarded lying speech? Hey, maybe that isn't a bad idea!


Yelling fire in a crowded theater, libel, slander, threats, etc. These are pretty well established...
 
2013-01-16 02:26:44 PM
So they want to require all firearms be sold through FFLs. That would be the same as requiring you to sell all cars through dealersships. Im pretty sure it violates the Sherman antitrust act and the interstate commerce clause whether it violates the 2nd ammend or not.
 
2013-01-16 02:26:52 PM
It's fitting these two scumbags are using children as props for their announcement, given how they exploited dead first graders to get to this point in the first place. Absolute scum of the earth here. This is who you are liberals. Take a long look.
 
2013-01-16 02:27:09 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Damn, I'd hate to be in the middle of the war zone you apparently live in.


These people live in their minds more than they do the real world. Minds full of homicidal ideation and creating fantasy Superman scenarios they hope to live out someday.
 
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