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(FilmDrunk)   Everything wrong with Looper in three minutes: "Whatever this guy's name is, it should be Discount Shia LaBeouf." (spoilers, not-safe-for-work)   (filmdrunk.uproxx.com) divider line 102
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2013-01-16 02:34:07 PM
Looper is one of those movies that you really enjoy on the first sitting, but the second you start thinking about it, the whole thing falls apart (which is the main reason Bruce Willis said STFU and stop thinking about it in the diner).

I enjoyed Looper, but I think all the hype I heard before I saw it rose it well above what my expectations should've been.
 
2013-01-16 02:51:17 PM
How could ANYONE be a "Discount Shia LaBeouf???"


I don't think it's logically possible. You would go into NEGATIVE suckitude territory. It would be like getting colder than absolute zero.
 
2013-01-16 02:52:05 PM
Looper is awesome. Jealous haters gon hate
 
2013-01-16 02:55:47 PM

scottydoesntknow: I enjoyed Looper, but I think all the hype I heard before I saw it rose it well above what my expectations should've been.


I felt the same way about Inception.
 
2013-01-16 02:56:08 PM
Everything wrong with Looper: I shut it off after 30 minutes. it has a running time of about 2 hours.
 
2013-01-16 02:56:13 PM
Is he callin JGL a discount laboeuf? Fark fanbois/closet homos will be pissed
 
2013-01-16 02:56:30 PM
Meh, it was ok. The whole TK thing didn't really fly with me, they should have just focused on time travel and dispensed with the TK.

Besides, that kid was annoying.
 
2013-01-16 02:58:55 PM
What Looper lacks in logical plot it makes up for with clever cinematography and enjoyable actor performances. Is it flawed, yes. Is the film still enjoyable, yes.
 
2013-01-16 02:59:38 PM

scottydoesntknow: Looper is one of those movies that you really enjoy on the first sitting


Only if your brain is on auto-pilot. The causality didn't make a damn bit of sense on the first viewing. And yeah, I got the "don't think about it" line. It had some cool elements, but the plot's not coherent enough to even think of the problems as plot holes.
 
2013-01-16 03:00:34 PM

thisiszombocom: Is he callin JGL a discount laboeuf? Fark fanbois/closet homos will be pissed


No the bumbling moron with the six-shooter who insists on finding JGL even after routinely screwing up (hammer-hand guy).
 
2013-01-16 03:01:18 PM
It's my thought that the TK is in the movie in order to make the Rainmaker a more threatening villain.
It's a poor excuse and I agree it should have been left out of the film. Too many "magic beans" to swallow.
 
2013-01-16 03:05:18 PM

thisiszombocom: Is he callin JGL a discount laboeuf? Fark fanbois/closet homos will be pissed


No, he said that about that other guy. The really stupid friend of JGL in the movie.
 
2013-01-16 03:05:55 PM
and..... that's what happens when you don't reload the comments before commenting after wandering off for 5 minutes.
 
2013-01-16 03:10:00 PM
People say they want original movies and then they biatch when they get original movies.
 
2013-01-16 03:12:20 PM

Lego_Addict: Meh, it was ok. The whole TK thing didn't really fly with me, they should have just focused on time travel and dispensed with the TK.

Besides, that kid was annoying.


Seriously? I don't know how old he is but that kid is a fantastic actor.
 
2013-01-16 03:15:41 PM
I had looked forward to Looper, and really enjoyed it as it started out. But it got worse as it went on, so that by the time it was over I was pretty disappointed. A large reason for that was the kid and the powers. It felt like overreach, which was a shame, as they had a good premise long before the TK angle came into play.

Also, that make-up. At one point I actually thought Mark Wahlberg was on-screen. I couldn't figure out why the character kept looking so fake. Was it really an attempt to make GL look more like Willis? Bad idea.

As for the inconsistencies brought up in the video - much of that I can ignore, depending on the movie. And if you're watching a film featuring time-travel, you pretty much have to expect a lot of things that make no sense of you give them more than a few seconds' consideration. I'm willing to overlook some of that, so long as the movie doesn't insult me too much elsewhere.
 
2013-01-16 03:17:05 PM
ahhh yes movie sins... aka tiny gripes that often have logical explanations.
 
2013-01-16 03:20:55 PM

thisiszombocom: Is he callin JGL a discount laboeuf? Fark fanbois/closet homos will be pissed


him or bruce willis, whoever that is
 
2013-01-16 03:32:03 PM
No one ever erected a statue for a critic.

Besides looper is a love story. The idea about how love can turn a monster into a human has been around since the Gilgamesh epic and looper did it in a new way.

Also Shia would have ruined there will be blood and little miss sunshine. Paul plays a good wimp
 
2013-01-16 03:32:58 PM
Also starving children = Ethiopian joke. fark these guys. Seriously.
 
2013-01-16 03:35:53 PM

doczoidberg: How could ANYONE be a "Discount Shia LaBeouf???"

I don't think it's logically possible. You would go into NEGATIVE suckitude territory. It would be like getting colder than absolute zero.


Clearly some people don't keep abreast of the latest in science.
 
2013-01-16 03:43:36 PM
I just sat through Les Miserables. I'll take Looper over Crowe and Jackman singing Ev-Er-Y TIME.
 
2013-01-16 03:44:02 PM

doczoidberg: How could ANYONE be a "Discount Shia LaBeouf???"


I don't think it's logically possible. You would go into NEGATIVE suckitude territory. It would be like getting colder than absolute zero.


Negative one has a square root, right?
 
2013-01-16 03:50:05 PM

Fano: doczoidberg: How could ANYONE be a "Discount Shia LaBeouf???"


I don't think it's logically possible. You would go into NEGATIVE suckitude territory. It would be like getting colder than absolute zero.

Negative one has a square root, right?


imaginary suckitude? I'd biatch too if someone drank my milkshake.
 
2013-01-16 03:50:30 PM

AntonChigger: Lego_Addict: Meh, it was ok. The whole TK thing didn't really fly with me, they should have just focused on time travel and dispensed with the TK.

Besides, that kid was annoying.

Seriously? I don't know how old he is but that kid is a fantastic actor.


I wasn't referring to the actor, only to the character on screen.
 
2013-01-16 03:52:46 PM
overall i enjoyed it
was kinda painful slow at times

the cg they did on that kid to make him kinda look like bruce willis was strange, but i thought he did just fine

& i liked the end - not the typical happy ending & left the brain a little twisted when considering the effects we have on everything around us & the apparent inability to change it (short of eating a blunderbuss)
 
2013-01-16 03:58:56 PM

Mentat: People say they want original movies and then they biatch when they get original movies.


I want original movies that make sense.

Just watched this the other night and wasn't impressed. If you're going to make a time travel movie, at least attempt to avoid paradoxes, or have a valid or somewhat interesting explanation as to how it all works out.

Also... the kid grew up to be the rainmaker in the first place without Joe's interference, so why would we assume that he didn't become the rainmaker again after Joe kills himself? Was there some point where we learned that it was Joe in his "retirement" who killed the kid's mom? If not, then as far as we know, she's still going to die, and he still becomes the rainmaker.
 
2013-01-16 04:01:36 PM
He could have just blown his pistol-holding hand off.
 
2013-01-16 04:06:05 PM
It would have been a better movie if they had left out the TK stuff, but it was still quite enjoyable.

However, if you're looking for a tightly plotted time travel film, watch Primer or Timecrimes.
 
2013-01-16 04:08:55 PM
Anyone see Continuum?
It was better than I expected but I was expecting awful.
 
2013-01-16 04:09:01 PM
The most annoying part of this movie is the squandering of Paul Dano's talents. The second most annoying is the rather clumsily inserted "love" scene.

I liked this movie, but I kind of lost a sense of what it was about in the transition from 2nd to 3rd act. This isn't exactly a thinking person's time travel movie.
 
2013-01-16 04:11:00 PM

miscreant: Just watched this the other night and wasn't impressed. If you're going to make a time travel movie, at least attempt to avoid paradoxes, or have a valid or somewhat interesting explanation as to how it all works out.


Everything happens at once, things from multiple time lines are now on the same timeline.

miscreant: Also... the kid grew up to be the rainmaker in the first place without Joe's interference, so why would we assume that he didn't become the rainmaker again after Joe kills himself? Was there some point where we learned that it was Joe in his "retirement" who killed the kid's mom? If not, then as far as we know, she's still going to die, and he still becomes the rainmaker.

bs reason, Joe was a father figure and had influence. REALLY GOOD REASON, tons of farking gold is now on their farm.
 
2013-01-16 04:18:08 PM

swahnhennessy: Also, that make-up. At one point I actually thought Mark Wahlberg was on-screen. I couldn't figure out why the character kept looking so fake. Was it really an attempt to make GL look more like Willis? Bad idea.


Thank you. It was so freaking distracting. If they cared that much about the two looking alike, they should have made a CGI movie or hired a father-son acting team.
 
2013-01-16 04:20:17 PM

thecpt: Everything happens at once, things from multiple time lines are now on the same timeline.


It's inconsistent in how it treats this. Actions in the past have consequences, like the guy losing his fingers or limbs when they start cutting him up to get him to come be killed, but they don't have consequences when the movie doesn't want them to. Such as if Joe kills himself, everything should essentially reset because old Joe would never have taken any of the actions he takes in the movie.

thecpt: bs reason, Joe was a father figure and had influence. REALLY GOOD REASON, tons of farking gold is now on their farm.


Silver. Regardless though, it shouldn't even be there since it's old Joe escaping that makes that particular set of events transpire, and old Joe never escapes because young Joe kills himself.
 
2013-01-16 04:21:00 PM
I thought it was a good movie. I have to wonder at the attention whore who spent so much time making this video.
 
2013-01-16 04:23:03 PM

1. Put snakes on plane: scottydoesntknow: Looper is one of those movies that you really enjoy on the first sitting

Only if your brain is on auto-pilot. The causality didn't make a damn bit of sense on the first viewing. And yeah, I got the "don't think about it" line. It had some cool elements, but the plot's not coherent enough to even think of the problems as plot holes.


My brain is on auto-pilot for almost all movies the first time through. I'd probably walk out of a lot of movies, otherwise. High schools and colleges need to make more science and logic classes mandatory for screen writers and journalists.
 
2013-01-16 04:24:06 PM

Lego_Addict: Meh, it was ok. The whole TK thing didn't really fly with me, they should have just focused on time travel and dispensed with the TK.

Besides, that kid was annoying.


Ya, the whole time, I wanted the kid to die. But it was consistent with the plot: the kid was on the borderline of being the biggest and most powerful douchebag in the world -- having his mom die would've sealed the deal on that.
 
2013-01-16 04:24:13 PM

miscreant: I want original movies that make sense.


Watch INK if you can find it.

Really good movie.
 
2013-01-16 04:25:07 PM
I do accept a lot of the issues in this movie, but some were just not paying attention/lack of common sense from the average viewer.
Here's three explanations that i don't think anyone's covered yet.

1. The whole "why doesn't he remember losing finger/the scars etc" is only an issue if you've been totally ignoring the flashes Bruce Willis has throughout the movie. For some reason (don't ask me) it takes time for changes in the timeline to catch up with what Brucie recalls and push out the old memories of his future

2. Joe's wife getting gunned down was an unfortunate mistake. The fire was the best cover they had at the time being but Joe's captors would likely be on the run from the law after "advanced future forensics" inevitably implicated them. It isn't a flaw since we never see what could have eventually happened had they safely sent Joe back and lived. Likely they'd either be caught or the Rainmaker would have enough influence to keep the lawmen at bay.

3. "Why are there gold bars on the road?" Did you even watch the movie? Old Joe just killed off almost the whole Looper organization. Why would you not take every gold brick they've collected and retire in style?
 
2013-01-16 04:25:21 PM

inner ted: the cg they did on that kid to make him kinda look like bruce willis was strange, but i thought he did just fine


It was not CG, it was prosthetics. The director/make-up team basically had to scream it from the rooftops because everyone thought they CGed the looks onto JGL and it was pissing them all off.
 
2013-01-16 04:26:03 PM

Big Beef Burrito: He could have just blown his pistol-holding hand off.


So Brucie could change hands.
 
2013-01-16 04:28:59 PM

miscreant: It's inconsistent in how it treats this. Actions in the past have consequences, like the guy losing his fingers or limbs when they start cutting him up to get him to come be killed, but they don't have consequences when the movie doesn't want them to. Such as if Joe kills himself, everything should essentially reset because old Joe would never have taken any of the actions he takes in the movie.


No, thats the thing you have to get past. The past and the future person are forever linked. What happens to the past person is conducted to the future person immediately and without effecting the future's timeline as they are now on the same shared timeline. This movie never went by "reset" rules but operated on "deletion rules."

I'm fine with accepting a rule set up like this because I don't know how time travel actually works, and since Hitler existed I can safely say no one else has experienced it.
 
2013-01-16 04:30:09 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I do accept a lot of the issues in this movie, but some were just not paying attention/lack of common sense from the average viewer.
Here's three explanations that i don't think anyone's covered yet.

3. "Why are there gold bars on the road?" Did you even watch the movie? Old Joe just killed off almost the whole Looper organization. Why would you not take every gold brick they've collected and retire in style?


Actually they're talking about the time loop that they didn't get. If young Joe kills himself, Old Joe disappears, meaning he never could've been there to drive the truck full of silver in the first place. Their line of thinking is that if something happens to a past version, it'll change EVERYTHING about what the future version would've done (like when they also reference the scar on the kid and why it didn't disappear).
 
2013-01-16 04:31:20 PM

Felgraf: miscreant: I want original movies that make sense.

Watch INK if you can find it.

Really good movie.


Farking great movie and I will shout it's name from mountaintops until every one has seen it. It's on Netflix streaming ffs.
 
2013-01-16 04:33:37 PM

thecpt: I'm fine with accepting a rule set up like this because I don't know how time travel actually works, and since Hitler existed I can safely say no one else has experienced it.


You can thank SilverFox316 for that.

/READ BULLETIN 1147, PEOPLE!
 
2013-01-16 04:45:39 PM
"Discount Shia LaBeouf???"

There's no reason to be that mean. I know this is Fark and everything: but throwing the insult of Discount Shia LaBeouf at anyone is the type of insult that just crosses the line far too far.
 
2013-01-16 04:46:03 PM
...and I get on as a looper at a course over in the Himalaya's.
 
2013-01-16 04:51:12 PM

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: Big Beef Burrito: He could have just blown his pistol-holding hand off.

So Brucie could change hands.


It would have bought the Mom and kid time, and is a much better alternative to shooting yourself in the chest.
 
2013-01-16 04:59:51 PM

scottydoesntknow: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I do accept a lot of the issues in this movie, but some were just not paying attention/lack of common sense from the average viewer.
Here's three explanations that i don't think anyone's covered yet.

3. "Why are there gold bars on the road?" Did you even watch the movie? Old Joe just killed off almost the whole Looper organization. Why would you not take every gold brick they've collected and retire in style?

Actually they're talking about the time loop that they didn't get. If young Joe kills himself, Old Joe disappears, meaning he never could've been there to drive the truck full of silver in the first place. Their line of thinking is that if something happens to a past version, it'll change EVERYTHING about what the future version would've done (like when they also reference the scar on the kid and why it didn't disappear).


The movie essentially has a linear timeline with future time travel somehow capable of "breaking into" the past. Since there's no deviation from the timeline that we follow from the time young Joe lets Old Joe escape you would consider that the "true" timeline. Old Joe only remembers his alternate timeline, it is ONLY a memory. Every deviation from the point someone travels back to immediately begins to alter the time ahead of it which is why immediately killing off a target is such a concern, why Abe stays away from the outside world and why he (implied) selects street urchins with no future to become Loopers (who essentially still lead terrible lives with minimal influence on others outside their own group but are now well paid) In this world there is no given precedent for the changes someone can make in the past outside of Abe and Abe is clearly a recluse and given very specific instruction to have no impact on the timeline but to run this small organization. The events of the movie are all caused by a man from a hypothetical future. He enters this "true" timeline as new human existing from that point until....

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Epiphany! You're right, it makes no sense! He can impact the timeline of the movie because he exists solely in it, not the one he remembers. By this logic time-travellers should now be independent beings from their past selves (now just younger, alternate selves) and thus not impacted by any changes made on their past self. Before this the movie establishes that simply isn't the case when Joe's friend is amputated and so is his future self.

The only answer is this: All material changes on the timeline itself caused by time travel are now permanent fixtures in the timeline in a sort of strange loop. The person who physically travelled is subject to a different situation. They are now the chicken to their past self's egg. Without one the other could not exist. Somehow this applies to all material changes to their past/future body but can only be applied to them directly at the point their consciousness exists, the "true" timeline.

Don't anyone use this in an analysis paper. It's nonsense.
 
2013-01-16 05:00:11 PM

thecpt: Felgraf: miscreant: I want original movies that make sense.

Watch INK if you can find it.

Really good movie.

Farking great movie and I will shout it's name from mountaintops until every one has seen it. It's on Netflix streaming ffs.


Thirded. Really well done.
 
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