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2013-01-16 04:25:52 PM
Emergency trip! Bring me some acid, STAT!
 
2013-01-16 04:26:43 PM

Jument: grinding_journalist: /if you "can't function" without a morning cup of coffee, you're just as much an addict as Molly Methhead or Charlie Crackfiend

Lighten up, Francis.


that and the fact that coffee is actually good for you. so, heaven forbid you be addicted to a beneficial substance.
 
2013-01-16 04:28:06 PM

Oldiron_79: fat boy: Oldiron_79: Many Pilot truck stops have energy drink on tap. You can get a 44 or 64 ozbladder buster full of energy drink for like a buck and change.

Do they have Rockstar?

I know Ive seen Sobe, Amp, and full throttle before, but each stop usually just has 1


grinding_journalist: For all the energy drink lovers: Do you exercise regularly?

Just wondering.


4ts downs 2 Rockstar recoveries (lemon/tea or orange; 20 calories in the 16 ouncer) or similar at 3-4 hour intervals in a typical day, after morning coffee.  And, he must be at the gym in a little under half an hour.  So yes.
 
2013-01-16 04:28:39 PM

DrunkWithImpotence: jshine: Kibbler: The world we live in is more and more like a cross between Outland and The Dukes of Hazzard every day, and that's the reality we'll end up. A cesspool of obese, drugged-out, trigger-happy fiends.

Yet, paradoxically, in the past we had more rights to access all the things you mention. Back around 1920 you could smoke opium or marijuana or use all the cocaine you pleased before unloading your legal full-auto machine-gun at the range.

Yeah, but try getting a beer...


Hah -- yea, I suppose I should have just said "100 years ago." 1920 was a particularly bad year when making a point about personal freedoms...
 
2013-01-16 04:29:51 PM
Not long ago stupid people doing stupid things would die stupid deaths and their stupid genes wouldn't be passed on. Either that, or they were tough sumbiatches and their awesome genes would live on. Now we have nanny assholes like Bloomberg trying to destroy the human race. Jerks.
 
2013-01-16 04:30:58 PM

grinding_journalist: I tried getting into coffee when I went to college. I found institution of a regular exercise regimen did more for my energy levels than 2-3 cups of coffee in the AM. (I adjusted my diet as well, but that's another issue.)



I found this exact same thing when I took my first job out of college.

grinding_journalist: but I cannot be convinced that an adjusted diet and regular exercise won't do more for you, long and short term, than addressing the symptoms (tiredness) with a chemical will



Couldn't agree more.

grinding_journalist: But that's hard, and requires effort.



And time. Not everyone is a fresh out of college kid who works 40 hour work weeks and has no other responsibilities whatsoever. You gotta leave space for the people who simply don't have the time, or prioritize their time elsewhere.
 
2013-01-16 04:31:03 PM

pute kisses like a man: Jument: grinding_journalist: /if you "can't function" without a morning cup of coffee, you're just as much an addict as Molly Methhead or Charlie Crackfiend

Lighten up, Francis.

that and the fact that coffee is actually good for you. so, heaven forbid you be addicted to a beneficial substance.


I thought a big part of addiction was also that the substance use interfered with your job, friends or family and that one of those three had expressed concern about your usage. Not simply a chemical dependance, at whatever level.
 
2013-01-16 04:31:48 PM
A few years back at a race in St Louis a couple of kids were walking around the pits & one was drinking a Monster BFC {32oz.} I asked his buddy if he was gonna finish the whole can. He said it was his third one - at 10:00 am in the morning. I doubt his liver & kidneys made it to legal drinking age.

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2013-01-16 04:38:57 PM

Kipple: We can't let stupid people DIE! Then who would vote for us?!?!


Like being dead ever stopped anybody from voting for a Democrat
 
2013-01-16 04:44:43 PM

Mad Mark: A few years back at a race in St Louis a couple of kids were walking around the pits & one was drinking a Monster BFC {32oz.} I asked his buddy if he was gonna finish the whole can. He said it was his third one - at 10:00 am in the morning. I doubt his liver & kidneys made it to legal drinking age.


? Meh when I gotta do a night run to Atlanta and back I usually drink a 44 oz on the way down and another onway back. I AM THE GREAT CORNHOLIO
 
2013-01-16 04:46:28 PM
Lightweights...
 
2013-01-16 04:47:39 PM
The FDA can't help. Drug analogues in energy drinks are undetectable.
 
2013-01-16 04:59:31 PM

lennavan: But if he had a weak heart or suffered from coronary disease and didn't know it, this could have precipitated very bad things

42 percent of the cases involved energy drinks in combination with alcohol or drugs

So if I follow, if you are doing drugs or have heart disease, then drink an energy drink and die, the reason is the energy drink and not the drugs or heart disease. Seems legit.


Well, you can't regulate heart disease directly and the pharmaceutical industry would have none of that bullshiat. So there's that.
 
2013-01-16 05:00:48 PM
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/if you "can't function" without a morning cup of coffee, you're just as much an addict as Molly Methhead or Charlie Crackfiend
//have dealt with more than one addiction


Oh I can function most days. As an example. I don't drink one a day regularly. Addiction. probably. Caffeine has addictive properties.

But let's put my comments in perspective.

1) A cup of coffee won't wake me up anymore. A can of Code Red has more caffeine than a cup of coffee. I used to drink 3 of those cans spread out in a day. In addition it had sugar, which resulted in a crash causing me to drink more.


2)The online purchase/only energy drinks I buy, the caffeine is only 1 cup of coffee equivalent. The B-vitamins bring the additional punch that 1 cup of caffeine cannot cause for me anymore. It was reaching the point I needed 2 Code Reds for the morning wake up.

The vitamins, whatever isn't used for energy goes into the toilet. They're not designed to stay.

There is zero sugar in any of the energy drinks.

6 of them have 1 gram of protein. The highest calorie content in 1 flavor is 15 total calories.

In addition to this I take vitamins which I actually do feel an effect within an hour. One of them is the fact that I have body aches that don't exist with these vitamins or are reduced to a mild twinge in heavy winter conditions. It's not arthritis. but it is there. And they provide a steady boost throughout the day as well as giving me what I lack in what I eat since I have a few food allergies.
 
2013-01-16 05:02:32 PM
And I confirmed the vitamins with my doctor when I got put on blood pressure meds initially. He didn't see anything in them that I shouldn't take.
 
2013-01-16 05:26:34 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: I thought a big part of addiction was also that the substance use interfered with your job, friends or family and that one of those three had expressed concern about your usage. Not simply a chemical dependance, at whatever level.


Maybe I'm getting pedantic here, but you can be addicted to something and not have it affect much of your outside life.  See: functioning alcoholics.  They are "addicted".  They cannot stop.   But it doesn't affect anything besides their health.
 
2013-01-16 05:36:03 PM

downstairs: Uchiha_Cycliste: I thought a big part of addiction was also that the substance use interfered with your job, friends or family and that one of those three had expressed concern about your usage. Not simply a chemical dependance, at whatever level.

Maybe I'm getting pedantic here, but you can be addicted to something and not have it affect much of your outside life.  See: functioning alcoholics.  They are "addicted".  They cannot stop.   But it doesn't affect anything besides their health.


Yes, agree, but all addictions are not equal. It's stupid IMHO to say that someone addicted to meth is on the same level as a functioning alcoholic or someone addicted to caffeine via morning coffee. A mild coffee habit doesn't even have any negative health consequences.
 
2013-01-16 05:52:36 PM
I'll drink a 4pak of the 16oz Monsters in day. I usually do a 24oz can every other day or so. Granted, I only drink the Lo-Carb, Absolute Zero, or one of the ReHab variants, as I find the regular stuff to be WAY to sweet for me. Except for the ReHab, I don't get much of an effect from the energy stuff.

I try to exercise regularly, usually 2-3 times a week.

I also work a night shift, so I find I drink it more during the day when my schedule shifts between semesters or on breaks.
 
2013-01-16 06:01:25 PM
I must be rare. I drink energy drinks for the taste. I love me some Monster Assault. But for the most part I drink Monster Lo-Carb. I drink 1 each workday morning. The other guys sit around the shop table with their coffee and I drink my energy drink. Because coffee is farking vile. Yes, even your special brew that you ground yourself and is only available in an obscure corner market on a street which doesn't show up on maps and is flavored with 100% organic cream and sugar. Coffee is disgusting.

Anyway, I don't get an energy boost from them. At all. I can drink two cans of Monster, which is 4 doses according to the can, and then take a nap. I've never had the jitters from anything. There was 1 night when I had to move apartments solo using a hatchback. I was drinking a can every couple of hours and was still falling asleep.

Maybe I just have a high tolerance for that kind of thing. After some dentistry work a few years back I was prescribed Valium in order to help me sleep. I took the dose as directed and two hours later I was still wide awake. After those 2 hours I finally went to sleep because it was my normal sleep time.
 
2013-01-16 06:16:32 PM
CtrlAltDestroy: I must be rare. I drink energy drinks for the taste. I love me some Monster Assault. But for the most part I drink Monster Lo-Carb. I drink 1 each workday morning. The other guys sit around the shop table with their coffee and I drink my energy drink. Because coffee is farking vile. Yes, even your special brew that you ground yourself and is only available in an obscure corner market on a street which doesn't show up on maps and is flavored with 100% organic cream and sugar. Coffee is disgusting.

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THIS. I can force my self to drink it if there is nothing else hot and I'm cold or there is nothing else with caffine and I'm tired, but I don't like it.
 
2013-01-16 06:24:28 PM

Jument: downstairs: Uchiha_Cycliste: I thought a big part of addiction was also that the substance use interfered with your job, friends or family and that one of those three had expressed concern about your usage. Not simply a chemical dependance, at whatever level.

Maybe I'm getting pedantic here, but you can be addicted to something and not have it affect much of your outside life.  See: functioning alcoholics.  They are "addicted".  They cannot stop.   But it doesn't affect anything besides their health.

Yes, agree, but all addictions are not equal. It's stupid IMHO to say that someone addicted to meth is on the same level as a functioning alcoholic or someone addicted to caffeine via morning coffee. A mild coffee habit doesn't even have any negative health consequences.


That was kind of my point, I don't think it's fair to place the label of addict upon someone simply because their body has developed a physical dependance on a chemical. By those criteria anyone taking an SSRI is an addict, as ceasing their consumption would wreak havoc on their mental and emotional states.
 
2013-01-16 06:27:18 PM

Jument: downstairs: Uchiha_Cycliste: I thought a big part of addiction was also that the substance use interfered with your job, friends or family and that one of those three had expressed concern about your usage. Not simply a chemical dependance, at whatever level.

Maybe I'm getting pedantic here, but you can be addicted to something and not have it affect much of your outside life.  See: functioning alcoholics.  They are "addicted".  They cannot stop.   But it doesn't affect anything besides their health.

Yes, agree, but all addictions are not equal. It's stupid IMHO to say that someone addicted to meth is on the same level as a functioning alcoholic or someone addicted to caffeine via morning coffee. A mild coffee habit doesn't even have any negative health consequences.


Someone who "needs" coffee isn't on the same level as a weeping-sores meth head- I just mean that they're as much of an addict since they're chemically dependent to function.

To address the previous point in this quote: For the people who need that cup in the morning, take it away completely and see how "little" it interferes with their life. I'd be willing to wager that they'll be irritable and less productive at the very least, and long term that can get you fired, alienate friends and family, and seek alternatives to the substance in question in an effort to duplicate the sensation. The same exact sentence can be applied to anyone who's "functionally" addicted to anything. Remove it, and the demons come out from under the bed.

I don't know if I'd equate an addiction with a mild habit. I'd call my use of cigarettes a "mild habit" in that I'll have one occasionally when I'm drinking. I do it regularly, so it's definitely a "habit" but I don't have one every time I drink. Take them away, and I really wouldn't mind in the slightest; I'd probably appreciate it. I think we all know what happens when you take a "smoker's" cigarettes away.

cwolf20: But let's put my comments in perspective.


You have discovered balance in moderation with an addictive chemical. No snark, that's admirable. Many people are completely incapable of this without outside influence or assistance.

lennavan: And time. Not everyone is a fresh out of college kid who works 40 hour work weeks and has no other responsibilities whatsoever. You gotta leave space for the people who simply don't have the time, or prioritize their time elsewhere.


Totally. Thing is, I usually find that people who claim they don't have time to better themselves physiologically are usually wasting quite a bit of time doing far less useful or productive stuff. I'm as guilty of this as anyone, but it's a hard sell that you can't carve 5 hours or so a week out of the 168 you have. One of the best time management exercises I've ever done was in school- the teacher sat us down and said:

"Ok, so you're taking 15 credit hours. That's 15 hours a week. You should be getting 6-8 hrs of sleep a night, let's call it 8 just to be on the safe side. 90 minutes a day eating? 5-8 hours a week studying. Have a part time job? that's another 20. Add another 3 hours a week transport time to work, as well as an hour a day walking to and from classes (and that's generous.) Granted, most of these activities will actually take you less time than we've indicated, but again we're on the safe side.

By my count, that's just under 105 hours a week. What the hell are you doing with nearly 9 hours of free time every day that you "don't have time" for X?"

I realize there are lots of little "filler" things that do take up time (and more than you'd think) but unless you're a single mom who works full time with two kids, or a CEO that's putting up 90 hour work weeks (or something similar) where you simply don't have the volition to function afterwards, I find it hard to believe you can't fit in a bit of exercise. If it's too hard, integrate it into your day however you can. I'm not the first person to have this viewpoint or idea.

/rant off
//time to run to the bar
 
2013-01-16 06:27:44 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: I must be rare. I drink energy drinks for the taste. I love me some Monster Assault. But for the most part I drink Monster Lo-Carb. I drink 1 each workday morning. The other guys sit around the shop table with their coffee and I drink my energy drink. Because coffee is farking vile. Yes, even your special brew that you ground yourself and is only available in an obscure corner market on a street which doesn't show up on maps and is flavored with 100% organic cream and sugar. Coffee is disgusting.

Anyway, I don't get an energy boost from them. At all. I can drink two cans of Monster, which is 4 doses according to the can, and then take a nap. I've never had the jitters from anything. There was 1 night when I had to move apartments solo using a hatchback. I was drinking a can every couple of hours and was still falling asleep.

Maybe I just have a high tolerance for that kind of thing. After some dentistry work a few years back I was prescribed Valium in order to help me sleep. I took the dose as directed and two hours later I was still wide awake. After those 2 hours I finally went to sleep because it was my normal sleep time.


You sound like you're undiagnosed ADD. The more caffeine you ingest the calmer you get right? Congrats, you're a mutant.
 
2013-01-16 06:36:57 PM

Jument: grinding_journalist: /if you "can't function" without a morning cup of coffee, you're just as much an addict as Molly Methhead or Charlie Crackfiend

Lighten up, Francis.


Sorry if I seem bitter; it's more about the health issues than anything else. I work in a doctor's office where we see patients every day who lose their limbs because they're too stupid to realize that eating half of a chocolate cake won't be particularly good for their overweight, diabetic ass. It's a different problem, but stems from the same line of reasoning:

Everything in moderation. Even (especially, rather) things that can have a detrimental effect on you, such as work.

Uchiha_Cycliste: That was kind of my point, I don't think it's fair to place the label of addict upon someone simply because their body has developed a physical dependance on a chemical. By those criteria anyone taking an SSRI is an addict, as ceasing their consumption would wreak havoc on their mental and emotional states.


Addictions don't have to be recreational in nature. I take a psych med at present, and acknowledge that I'm something of a slave to it. Since it's being monitored and medically administered, I don't worry about its control over me (since I asked for it) but I'm still dependent on it, and in my mind, that's no different from being an addict. So perhaps "being addicted" to psych meds isn't the right phrasing, but all addicts are chemically dependent. If you removed that SSRI, people would have issues that affected their lives and relationships, so it's hard for me to make a distinction between one kind of addiction and another.

It's possible to have "good" addictions too (such as the dopamine rush that you can get from exercise, for example.); it just that there are significant connotations with the word, so no matter what you're dependent on or addicted to, it'll sound bad.
 
2013-01-16 06:52:38 PM

grinding_journalist: For all the energy drink lovers: Do you exercise regularly?

Just wondering.


I personally don't drink energy drinks, but I race amateur motocross and our sport has been taken over by the energy drink companies as title sponsors. Every single professional supercross/motocross race team name starts with Monster Energy, Red Bull or Rockstar. Monster is the biggest. I record all of the races on my DVR and a number of times I have paused them periodically throughout the program and counted the number of energy drink logos on the screen. I calculated that at any given time while watching a professional supercross or motocross race, there are on average 12 energy drink logos on the screen at once, 9 of which are Monster Energy. It's absurd.

But it works. 90% of the people I know in my racing club drink them regularly. Motocross is a very demanding sport so we all watch what we eat and exercise regularly in an effort to stay in racing shape. These guys will stand there and tell you all about their carefully planned diet and exercise regimen to stay in peak health, with an energy drink in hand. And over the course of a practice or race day they'll consume several of them.

Boggles the mind, it does.
 
2013-01-16 06:59:34 PM
I'm just surprised that people can stomach the farking things. I've sampled a couple and they all taste like ass.
 
2013-01-16 07:02:17 PM

grinding_journalist: It's possible to have "good" addictions too (such as the dopamine rush that you can get from exercise, for example.); it just that there are significant connotations with the word, so no matter what you're dependent on or addicted to, it'll sound bad.


You bring up something interesting here. When you say that dopamine rush, do you mean the general happiness you have after exercise, or do you mean what's called a "Runners High" I exercise quite a bit, it's how I get to and from work, in addition to being my leisure activity. I've experienced a Runner's high all of three times that I can remember, once Running, twice cycling. In all cases it required a level of exertion so far outside of my norms that I don't consider it something that is intentionally achievable. Likewise, as one becomes stronger and stronger it becomes harder and harder to accomplish. I'm not really sure my point here... though a runner's high kicks ass.

Also to one of your original questions, I consume coffee every morning, I'm usually grumpy without it and a little slow for my first hour or so awake, and I consider myself to "need coffee in the morning" though without it I don't get the dreaded withdrawl headaches. Also, I exercise quite a bit, and I KNOW that my morning ride without getting any coffee in me is much slower, and a hell of a lot more irritating. I'd say I'm on the threshold of addicted to caffeine but would never really consider that addiction, I'd lean towards dependance and habituation but in the common vernacular addict has a very harsh meaning although you may be right, pendantically. Do you really think it's fair to rely strictly on a physical dependance for the sake of being pedantic at the expense of discounting the common understanding of an addict?
 
2013-01-16 07:08:14 PM
I drink about four or five 8oz red bull sugar frees a week. They're replaced soda for me, as well as my afternoon snack.

I sip away at one while working between 2-4pm and it's given me something to do other than snack before dinner. This has been my routine for about six months.

It works for me, but I think I'd have a hard time giving them up altogether.
 
2013-01-16 07:12:03 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: I'd say I'm on the threshold of addicted to caffeine but would never really consider that addiction, I'd lean towards dependance and habituation but in the common vernacular addict has a very harsh meaning although you may be right, pendantically. Do you really think it's fair to rely strictly on a physical dependance for the sake of being pedantic at the expense of discounting the common understanding of an addict?


Yes. It's entirely fair. Medical terms should exist outside of the realm of the common person's emotional irrationality. In this country people have this unfortunate and extreme emotionally based disgust toward those who are in need of outside help. Why should we allow the common term, born of prejudice, to corrupt the proper meaning of something?

The word is apt for this situation. Your emotional issues related to it is irrelevant. It's like the word fat or, more appropriately, obese. People don't like being called that, especially by doctors. Well, too damn bad. As long as it's not being used to insult it's entirely fair. Whether or not your feelings gets hurt isn't relevant.

If you know that it's a correct term but you still hold negative feelings toward it then change your feelings. Remind yourself that you shouldn't feel that way about the situation and/or term. How can you be physically dependent on something without being addicted toward it? "because it makes me feel bad" isn't a valid answer.

If I'm wrong, then let me know. I love learning and my knowledge in this area isn't as strong as it could be.
 
2013-01-16 07:15:06 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: You bring up something interesting here. When you say that dopamine rush, do you mean the general happiness you have after exercise, or do you mean what's called a "Runners High" I exercise quite a bit, it's how I get to and from work, in addition to being my leisure activity. I've experienced a Runner's high all of three times that I can remember, once Running, twice cycling. In all cases it required a level of exertion so far outside of my norms that I don't consider it something that is intentionally achievable. Likewise, as one becomes stronger and stronger it becomes harder and harder to accomplish. I'm not really sure my point here... though a runner's high kicks ass.


Used to be a long-distance runner, can count on one hand the times I felt high from it and yes, had to damn near kill myself first.

Been racing motocross for the last few years and get a rush every time I ride. The combination of adrenaline and dopamine is a powerful cocktail, evidently. But you don't really get your adrenaline going until your brain knows that you're in mortal danger, so not every sport is created equal in terms of how easy it is to get a rush from.
 
2013-01-16 07:15:45 PM

TotesCrayCray: Uchiha_Cycliste: I'd say I'm on the threshold of addicted to caffeine but would never really consider that addiction, I'd lean towards dependance and habituation but in the common vernacular addict has a very harsh meaning although you may be right, pendantically. Do you really think it's fair to rely strictly on a physical dependance for the sake of being pedantic at the expense of discounting the common understanding of an addict?

Yes. It's entirely fair. Medical terms should exist outside of the realm of the common person's emotional irrationality. In this country people have this unfortunate and extreme emotionally based disgust toward those who are in need of outside help. Why should we allow the common term, born of prejudice, to corrupt the proper meaning of something?

The word is apt for this situation. Your emotional issues related to it is irrelevant. It's like the word fat or, more appropriately, obese. People don't like being called that, especially by doctors. Well, too damn bad. As long as it's not being used to insult it's entirely fair. Whether or not your feelings gets hurt isn't relevant.

If you know that it's a correct term but you still hold negative feelings toward it then change your feelings. Remind yourself that you shouldn't feel that way about the situation and/or term. How can you be physically dependent on something without being addicted toward it? "because it makes me feel bad" isn't a valid answer.

If I'm wrong, then let me know. I love learning and my knowledge in this area isn't as strong as it could be.


Well, it was my understanding that addict went beyond a simple physical dependence. That for addict to be an apt descriptor the substance use needed to interfere with interpersonal relationships or daily life and/or one close to another had to express concern. You seem to lean towards those aspects of addiction as being discountable purely in the face of a chemical dependance or tolerance. I think that's the question that's up for discussion.
 
2013-01-16 07:17:37 PM

ChadM89: Uchiha_Cycliste: You bring up something interesting here. When you say that dopamine rush, do you mean the general happiness you have after exercise, or do you mean what's called a "Runners High" I exercise quite a bit, it's how I get to and from work, in addition to being my leisure activity. I've experienced a Runner's high all of three times that I can remember, once Running, twice cycling. In all cases it required a level of exertion so far outside of my norms that I don't consider it something that is intentionally achievable. Likewise, as one becomes stronger and stronger it becomes harder and harder to accomplish. I'm not really sure my point here... though a runner's high kicks ass.

Used to be a long-distance runner, can count on one hand the times I felt high from it and yes, had to damn near kill myself first.

Been racing motocross for the last few years and get a rush every time I ride. The combination of adrenaline and dopamine is a powerful cocktail, evidently. But you don't really get your adrenaline going until your brain knows that you're in mortal danger, so not every sport is created equal in terms of how easy it is to get a rush from.


Sure, that adrenaline rush is tied into doing something fast and dangerous-ish. I get it when I descend on my mountain bike, but it's worlds away from what is experienced in a full blown runner's high. I think we are in agreement they are different sensations with a little overlap in feel and intensity, but not with difficulty in attainment.
 
2013-01-16 07:19:23 PM

cwolf20: And I confirmed the vitamins with my doctor when I got put on blood pressure meds initially. He didn't see anything in them that I shouldn't take.


What is your regimen?
 
2013-01-16 07:23:28 PM

grinding_journalist: For all the energy drink lovers: Do you exercise regularly?

Just wondering.


I don't like energy drinks at all, but my pre-workout that I take for chest day and leg day contains a high dosage of caffeine among things. Taking that before cardio exercise would be dangerous. To answer your question. though, 5 days a week lifting and 3 days a week cardio.
 
2013-01-16 07:26:30 PM
rolling home, I say just so you don't think I ducked out of responding to anything further.
 
2013-01-16 07:38:27 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Well, it was my understanding that addict went beyond a simple physical dependence. That for addict to be an apt descriptor the substance use needed to interfere with interpersonal relationships or daily life and/or one close to another had to express concern. You seem to lean towards those aspects of addiction as being discountable purely in the face of a chemical dependance or tolerance. I think that's the question that's up for discussion.


Ah, fair enough.

Caffeine dependence seems to fulfill and a lot of the terms of addiction. I'd say that having physical pain (headaches, etc) and having an effected mood (irritability and lack of ability to function) counts toward the "interfere with interpersonal relationships or daily life and/or one close to another" aspect that you mentioned.

Uchiha_Cycliste: I consume coffee every morning, I'm usually grumpy without it and a little slow for my first hour or so awake, and I consider myself to "need coffee in the morning" though without it I don't get the dreaded withdrawl headaches. Also, I exercise quite a bit, and I KNOW that my morning ride without getting any coffee in me is much slower, and a hell of a lot more irritating.


Not all addictions are life shattering, faces of meth, back alley blowjobs to feed it types of occurrences. There are different levels of almost everything.

I'm off for dinner. Some reading, in the mean time.
 
2013-01-16 07:50:48 PM
I don't understand why teenager need energy drinks anyway, unless I had been up for 48 hours straight, I can't remember not having energy as a teenager. Hell I was in my mid 30s before that started happening.
 
2013-01-16 08:03:35 PM

Genju: grinding_journalist: For all the energy drink lovers: Do you exercise regularly?

Just wondering.

I don't like energy drinks at all, but my pre-workout that I take for chest day and leg day contains a high dosage of caffeine among things. Taking that before cardio exercise would be dangerous. To answer your question. though, 5 days a week lifting and 3 days a week cardio.


My pre-workout OTC capsule also has high caffeine -- ripped force or similar, used to have ephedrine extract or something like that before it got banned, and they substituted something not banned yet.  Even with fairly intense cardio after weights, heart rate does not go above 145 or so.  Dangerous?
 
2013-01-16 08:15:12 PM

CtrlAltDestroy: I must be rare. I drink energy drinks for the taste. I love me some Monster Assault. But for the most part I drink Monster Lo-Carb. I drink 1 each workday morning. The other guys sit around the shop table with their coffee and I drink my energy drink. Because coffee is farking vile. Yes, even your special brew that you ground yourself and is only available in an obscure corner market on a street which doesn't show up on maps and is flavored with 100% organic cream and sugar. Coffee is disgusting.

Anyway, I don't get an energy boost from them. At all. I can drink two cans of Monster, which is 4 doses according to the can, and then take a nap. I've never had the jitters from anything. There was 1 night when I had to move apartments solo using a hatchback. I was drinking a can every couple of hours and was still falling asleep.

Maybe I just have a high tolerance for that kind of thing. After some dentistry work a few years back I was prescribed Valium in order to help me sleep. I took the dose as directed and two hours later I was still wide awake. After those 2 hours I finally went to sleep because it was my normal sleep time.


What about that cat turd coffee?
 
2013-01-16 08:45:39 PM

TotesCrayCray: The word is apt for this situation. Your emotional issues related to it is irrelevant. It's like the word fat or, more appropriately, obese. People don't like being called that, especially by doctors. Well, too damn bad. As long as it's not being used to insult it's entirely fair. Whether or not your feelings gets hurt isn't relevant.


Uchiha_Cycliste: I'd say I'm on the threshold of addicted to caffeine but would never really consider that addiction, I'd lean towards dependance and habituation but in the common vernacular addict has a very harsh meaning although you may be right, pendantically.



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I like you. You can come over to my house and fark my sister.

/you are now both in "legit opinion lavender"
//this list is now 5 people long
///as opposed to "great post alert green"
////that list is even shorter
//I do not get along with my sister
 
2013-01-16 08:52:19 PM

Marcintosh: Two senators are calling for the Food and Drug Administration to investigate safety concerns about energy drinks and their ingredients.

How about re-instating educational budgets and teaching students how to read labels, and understand basic human physiology?
Too much?
I went to public schools, I can read labels and I understand basic human physiology.  I could do all of that AND read a newspaper by the 8th grade.  Granted papers are on their way out but how about reading a EULA or a software manual.  Still too much?
Then they're on their own I guess.  We'll be supporting them forever.  Great, can't wait . . .


Because everyone wants to remember huge lists of the lethal amounts of things! 50 cups of coffee in an hour is the lethal dose. Plus everyone has at home analytical chemistry sets so we can just test our own drugs for safety as well, why do we need regulation??

And all those weird "nutritional supplements" they sell at GNC, they should just teach students to do their own double blind 20 year experiments to test for safety and efficacy! Yea!!

/there is a reason we have huge government groups deciding if things are safe. normal people can't do it by themselves. the end.
 
2013-01-16 09:40:44 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Genju: grinding_journalist: For all the energy drink lovers: Do you exercise regularly?

Just wondering.

I don't like energy drinks at all, but my pre-workout that I take for chest day and leg day contains a high dosage of caffeine among things. Taking that before cardio exercise would be dangerous. To answer your question. though, 5 days a week lifting and 3 days a week cardio.

My pre-workout OTC capsule also has high caffeine -- ripped force or similar, used to have ephedrine extract or something like that before it got banned, and they substituted something not banned yet.  Even with fairly intense cardio after weights, heart rate does not go above 145 or so.  Dangerous?


If you lifted first, you're fine most of the time. Those pre-workouts only last for 30-45 minutes of heavy lifting. I usually start the workout feeling tingly all over then at the end of the workout feel nothing out of the ordinary. Sometimes it doesn't even last the whole lift which is why I do all my bench/squat exercises first.
 
2013-01-16 10:24:12 PM
As someone who ended up in the ER after drinking two energy drinks while dehydrated, I'm getting a kick out of this thread. I should also mention I have high blood pressure and had run out of meds two days earlier. I know, I'm a genius. In any case, I was shaking all over, mentally confused, and my BP was 195/155, pulse reading was 133 at rest. I used to drink those all the time, but never again.

It should go without saying, but, if you have high blood pressure, don't even THINK about drinking those things. Unless having a stroke is your idea of a good time.
 
2013-01-16 11:42:01 PM

spidermilk: Marcintosh: Two senators are calling for the Food and Drug Administration to investigate safety concerns about energy drinks and their ingredients.

How about re-instating educational budgets and teaching students how to read labels, and understand basic human physiology?
Too much?
I went to public schools, I can read labels and I understand basic human physiology.  I could do all of that AND read a newspaper by the 8th grade.  Granted papers are on their way out but how about reading a EULA or a software manual.  Still too much?
Then they're on their own I guess.  We'll be supporting them forever.  Great, can't wait . . .


Because everyone wants to remember huge lists of the lethal amounts of things! 50 cups of coffee in an hour is the lethal dose. Plus everyone has at home analytical chemistry sets so we can just test our own drugs for safety as well, why do we need regulation??

And all those weird "nutritional supplements" they sell at GNC, they should just teach students to do their own double blind 20 year experiments to test for safety and efficacy! Yea!!

/there is a reason we have huge government groups deciding if things are safe. normal people can't do it by themselves. the end.


Well, ouch.
 
2013-01-17 12:49:46 AM

TotesCrayCray: Uchiha_Cycliste: Well, it was my understanding that addict went beyond a simple physical dependence. That for addict to be an apt descriptor the substance use needed to interfere with interpersonal relationships or daily life and/or one close to another had to express concern. You seem to lean towards those aspects of addiction as being discountable purely in the face of a chemical dependance or tolerance. I think that's the question that's up for discussion.

Ah, fair enough.

Caffeine dependence seems to fulfill and a lot of the terms of addiction. I'd say that having physical pain (headaches, etc) and having an effected mood (irritability and lack of ability to function) counts toward the "interfere with interpersonal relationships or daily life and/or one close to another" aspect that you mentioned.

Uchiha_Cycliste: I consume coffee every morning, I'm usually grumpy without it and a little slow for my first hour or so awake, and I consider myself to "need coffee in the morning" though without it I don't get the dreaded withdrawl headaches. Also, I exercise quite a bit, and I KNOW that my morning ride without getting any coffee in me is much slower, and a hell of a lot more irritating.

Not all addictions are life shattering, faces of meth, back alley blowjobs to feed it types of occurrences. There are different levels of almost everything.

I'm off for dinner. Some reading, in the mean time.


I read through what you linked and while I do agree that they lay out what addiction means very well, I don't agree that my caffeine tolerance and habituation meets those requirements.
Here's the TL;DR:

Inability to consistently Abstain;
Impairment in Behavioral control;
Craving; or increased "hunger" for drugs or rewarding experiences;
Diminished recognition of significant problems with one's behaviors and interpersonal relationships; and
A dysfunctional Emotional response.

Honestly, I think that only C) Craving... experiences. applies, and that just barely so.
When I don't have coffee at home, and it happens frightfully more often than one would think, I don't get coffee that morning. If it's a weekend I don't get coffee that day.
When I don't get my coffee, I don't get a headache, but i'll admit to being a bit grumpy for my first couple hours awake, and a little more slowly moving. As I mentioned, I know I ride slower when I don't have caffeine, but I also know that caffeine (besides being a stimulant) enables the body to release and use more energy than it would have had otherwise. Likewise, my commute is a non-trivial distance, varying between an absolute minimum distance of 19ish miles and average-max of around 24. One way. So that extra energy matters and is noticed.
I see where you are going with your post, but I must disagree with you.
 
2013-01-17 12:55:43 AM

grinding_journalist: Uchiha_Cycliste: I'd say I'm on the threshold of addicted to caffeine but would never really consider that addiction, I'd lean towards dependance and habituation but in the common vernacular addict has a very harsh meaning although you may be right, pendantically.

I like you. You can come over to my house and fark my sister.

/you are now both in "legit opinion lavender"
//this list is now 5 people long
///as opposed to "great post alert green"
////that list is even shorter
//I do not get along with my sister


Well thank you, I think. If I didn't have a sister myself (or tact) I'd ask you if your sister was hot. But I do, on both counts.
So, where do you fall on this discussion of caffeine and addiction? Does a basic caffeine tolerance meet the requirements in your mind?

\Sorry for the lagged response, after I get home from work, i'm pretty tired from the day's riding and working.
 
2013-01-17 02:19:57 AM

CtrlAltDestroy: I must be rare. I drink energy drinks for the taste. I love me some Monster Assault. But for the most part I drink Monster Lo-Carb. I drink 1 each workday morning. The other guys sit around the shop table with their coffee and I drink my energy drink. Because coffee is farking vile. Yes, even your special brew that you ground yourself and is only available in an obscure corner market on a street which doesn't show up on maps and is flavored with 100% organic cream and sugar. Coffee is disgusting.

Anyway, I don't get an energy boost from them. At all. I can drink two cans of Monster, which is 4 doses according to the can, and then take a nap. I've never had the jitters from anything. There was 1 night when I had to move apartments solo using a hatchback. I was drinking a can every couple of hours and was still falling asleep.

Maybe I just have a high tolerance for that kind of thing. After some dentistry work a few years back I was prescribed Valium in order to help me sleep. I took the dose as directed and two hours later I was still wide awake. After those 2 hours I finally went to sleep because it was my normal sleep time.


Other than the coffee (which I enjoy), you sound a lot like me. I drink Monster for the taste. A 4 pack of Monster, then go to bed...
 
2013-01-17 08:15:41 AM
Old enough to know better

I'm just surprised that people can stomach the farking things. I've sampled a couple and they all taste like ass.

There's a 12 oz no sugar 15 calorie version I can buy online and tasted once. It tastes exactly like full sugar orange soda. Your argument I'm afraid means little on my end. Especially since my favorite is a root beer energy drink same company. It tastes like a full sugar A&W root beer. But zero sugar
 
2013-01-17 08:16:27 AM
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2013-01-17 08:18:27 AM
Sword and Shield

cwolf20: And I confirmed the vitamins with my doctor when I got put on blood pressure meds initially. He didn't see anything in them that I shouldn't take.

What is your regimen?


40 minutes on a treadmill. It helps to have a book to read. I'm a lazy person. So having a book to distract me assists me.

I am trying to work my way back up to the 37 minutes in the morning and 37 minutes in the evening I kept myself to in high school. By walking to school and walking home, back then.
 
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