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(Politifact)   140 Minnesotans were convicted of voter fraud after the 2008 elections. All 2,873 of them had given addresses that could not be verified. Those 6,200 fraudulent Minnesota ballots means Wisconsin should end same day voter registration   (politifact.com) divider line 91
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2013-01-16 11:36:47 AM
Wow, conservatives are lying sacks of shiat. News at 11.
 
2013-01-16 11:50:27 AM
Republican Gov. Scott Walker has said he wouldn't sign such a bill.


I'm sick of all this "Walker says he wouldn't sign it" bullshiat -- unless I'm mistaken there's no 'pocket veto' in Wisconsin and every bill in question would still become law unless he explicitly vetoed it.
 
2013-01-16 11:54:09 AM
static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2013-01-16 01:01:03 PM

phaseolus: Republican Gov. Scott Walker has said he wouldn't sign such a bill.

I'm sick of all this "Walker says he wouldn't sign it" bullshiat -- unless I'm mistaken there's no 'pocket veto' in Wisconsin and every bill in question would still become law unless he explicitly vetoed it.


Remember that time Rick Snyder said he wouldn't sign anti-union legislation, and then he and his legislature threw it together from bill to law in a week?

Yeah. Republican politicians are lying about everything they say, unless they are saying that they want to ban abortion or shoot liberals. Those two things, you cn probably take them at their word.
 
2013-01-16 01:32:22 PM
This headline is very very very funny.
 
2013-01-16 01:51:13 PM
"Remember, 2008 was the election that made 'Saturday Night Live' clown Al Franken Minnesota's junior (U.S.) senator, furnishing the crucial 60th vote for the monstrosity of 'Obamacare.' Franken's winning margin? 312 votes."

Yeah, they're totally more interested in preserving the integrity of the voting process and not at all driven by ulterior political motives.

For crying out loud, can they at least try to pretend they have decent goals?
 
2013-01-16 02:38:15 PM

Diogenes: "Remember, 2008 was the election that made 'Saturday Night Live' clown Al Franken Minnesota's junior (U.S.) senator, furnishing the crucial 60th vote for the monstrosity of 'Obamacare.' Franken's winning margin? 312 votes."

Yeah, they're totally more interested in preserving the integrity of the voting process and not at all driven by ulterior political motives.

For crying out loud, can they at least try to pretend they have decent goals?


I thought all the whining about voter fraud  was their pretense to having decent goals.
 
2013-01-16 02:54:19 PM
but can you prove they weren't weren't weren't weren't weren't fraudulent?
 
2013-01-16 03:04:24 PM
IIRC, Minnesota enjoyed a long reputation as having a solid system leading to fair elections with good turnouts, partially accomplished by having same day registration and a relatively permissive absentee ballot process (covers all of the snowbirds who leave in the fall). As we've been learning the last four to six years, higher turnout tends to favor Democrats over Republicans, thus discrediting how we Minnesotans do things helps discredit election systems that "harm" Republicans. The extremely close vote between Coleman and Franken gave the Republicans a crack in the foundation they think they can exploit and they sure as shiat tried it again during the Dayton and Emmer election two years ago. To add gasoline on the fire, the Secretary of State (responsible for running elections) through this whole process is a Democrat and isn't afraid to meet challenges in a vocal fashion. Even if reform efforts don't succeed in Minnesota, they can make a shiatload of hay out of it to change things in battleground states.

I'm happy enough of the electorate in my state saw through the political bullshiat (the photo ID amendment got crushed in November), but I am very grumpy to see politicians drag my state through the muck for doing something we do very well.
 
2013-01-16 03:38:26 PM
So, Scott Walker is pretty much an asshole.
 
2013-01-16 03:40:35 PM
Wonder what Greg Palast would have to say about this...
 
2013-01-16 03:42:44 PM

Jake Havechek: So, Scott Walker is pretty much an asshole.


I can attest to that from personal experience.
 
2013-01-16 03:44:10 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-16 03:44:20 PM
voter registration fraud ≠ fraudulent votes that might swing an election
 
2013-01-16 03:45:39 PM
i865.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-16 03:48:09 PM
According to the Minnesota secretary of state's office, the number of verification postcards that were returned is far overstated. What's more, that alone is not proof of fraud.

No, but if those returned postcards are used to purge rolls it is voter caging.
 
2013-01-16 03:48:48 PM
Wisconsin repubs trying hard for there own fark tag.
 
2013-01-16 03:50:27 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Jake Havechek: So, Scott Walker is pretty much an asshole.

I can attest to that from personal experience.


Oh, do tell.
 
2013-01-16 03:50:53 PM
Bans of high-capacity ammunition magazines are a flagrant assault on our constitutional rights.

Making it harder for the elderly and less affluent to vote makes for a stronger democracy.
 
2013-01-16 03:53:52 PM
ha, a little off topic but this reminds me of a story about how republican's nearly screwed themselves here in Ohio. After the SOS did everything in his power to stop early voting it turned out that republican's used early voting far more often then dems. Not really relevant but this thread made me think how voter fraud was the excuse they used to stop early elections.
 
2013-01-16 03:54:45 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Philip Francis Queeg: Jake Havechek: So, Scott Walker is pretty much an asshole.

I can attest to that from personal experience.

Oh, do tell.


You know how every college campus has some little shiat who is the head of the Young Republicans, and runs around campus in a tie and blue blazer annoying the snot out of everyone? Scott Walker was that guy at my alma mater. He was such a farking asshole that he lost a residence hall election where he ran unopposed.
 
2013-01-16 03:55:55 PM
Hey modern day Republicans...
www.motivationals.org
 
Bf+
2013-01-16 03:58:35 PM
Poor Walker.
After taking a giant shiat on the teachers of Wisconsin, threatening their very jobs, now his party wants to arm teachers and prevent any gun safety measures.
He might be starting to regret expanding concealed carry to the Capitol itself.
 
2013-01-16 03:59:39 PM
"limited government, lower taxes, parental rights, free markets, protecting our borders and a strong national defense."


images.wikia.com
 
2013-01-16 04:02:48 PM
You know this is hilarious, the vote is one of the most important rights we have, yet without significant proof of major voter fraud they want to infringe on that right and make it hard for one to express their rights.

No if only only votes had the same sanctity as guns to the GOP.
 
2013-01-16 04:05:06 PM
Saw a whole lot of election fraud coming from GOPers last election. For the sake of preserving the sanctity of our democratic system, registered Republicans should be barred from any activity related to an election.
 
2013-01-16 04:06:47 PM
There are people in Minnesota who willingly voted for Michelle Bachman. I wouldn't take that for granted.
 
2013-01-16 04:07:54 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Philip Francis Queeg: Jake Havechek: So, Scott Walker is pretty much an asshole.

I can attest to that from personal experience.

Oh, do tell.

You know how every college campus has some little shiat who is the head of the Young Republicans, and runs around campus in a tie and blue blazer annoying the snot out of everyone? Scott Walker was that guy at my alma mater. He was such a farking asshole that he lost a residence hall election where he ran unopposed.


That just made my day, thanks!
 
2013-01-16 04:12:04 PM
The report contends there were 6,224 "unverifiable voters" in the November 2008 election

AKA, 6224 people who did the exact same thing any one of us would have upon receiving a post card from a local government entity with neither the ability to jail us or fine us money - file it in a shredder.
 
2013-01-16 04:14:47 PM
FTA: "The group describes itself as a state watchdog that promotes "traditional values" such as "limited government, lower taxes, parental rights, free markets, protecting our borders and a strong national defense."

I take it that's code for "the right to teach my kid to hate darkies"
 
2013-01-16 04:15:03 PM
A troll headline getting greened, on my Fark?
 
2013-01-16 04:20:41 PM
If you have to lie to win an argument, it is a good indication that you are wrong.
 
2013-01-16 04:22:19 PM

Solon Isonomia: IIRC, Minnesota enjoyed a long reputation as having a solid system leading to fair elections with good turnouts, partially accomplished by having same day registration and a relatively permissive absentee ballot process (covers all of the snowbirds who leave in the fall). As we've been learning the last four to six years, higher turnout tends to favor Democrats over Republicans, thus discrediting how we Minnesotans do things helps discredit election systems that "harm" Republicans. The extremely close vote between Coleman and Franken gave the Republicans a crack in the foundation they think they can exploit and they sure as shiat tried it again during the Dayton and Emmer election two years ago. To add gasoline on the fire, the Secretary of State (responsible for running elections) through this whole process is a Democrat and isn't afraid to meet challenges in a vocal fashion. Even if reform efforts don't succeed in Minnesota, they can make a shiatload of hay out of it to change things in battleground states.

I'm happy enough of the electorate in my state saw through the political bullshiat (the photo ID amendment got crushed in November), but I am very grumpy to see politicians drag my state through the muck for doing something we do very well.


The two recounts basically proved this.  Non-partisan and all the conspiracy theories were debunked.  Sure there are minor flaws that need to be ironed out but there is zero evidence of any widespread fraud within the Minnesota election system.
 
2013-01-16 04:24:05 PM
It's time to give up this fight, GOP, and embrace the new paradigm: fraud is now viewed as just another way of getting what voters would give you if they weren't misguided or drooling retards. You may as well start teaching your operatives how to commit their own fraud and level the playing field.
 
2013-01-16 04:27:53 PM

Koalaesq: FTA: "The group describes itself as a state watchdog that promotes "traditional values" such as "limited government, lower taxes, parental rights, free markets, protecting our borders and a strong national defense."

I take it that's code for "the right to teach my kid to hate darkies"


Perhaps, but more likely it's the code for "the right to teach my kids the Bible and only the Bible and none of that fancy-pants liberal elitist east coast critical thinking crap."
 
2013-01-16 04:28:29 PM

jjorsett: It's time to give up this fight, GOP, and embrace the new paradigm: fraud is now viewed as just another way of getting what voters would give you if they weren't misguided or drooling retards. You may as well start teaching your operatives how to commit their own fraud and level the playing field.


Start teaching? They have been throwing away registrations for years now.
 
2013-01-16 04:28:54 PM
Actually surprised that a system like that doesn't use provisional ballots.
 
2013-01-16 04:29:46 PM
I don't see what's wrong with closing voter registration a month before the polls open. Gives the govmnt and other dogs to verify the information. So long as voter registration is open and available/easily accessible then it shouldn't be a problem. If you could register at the post office, dmv, any other place of convienence then you wouldn't have any excuses. Hell 42 other states don't have same day registration, so what's the big deal?
 
2013-01-16 04:31:26 PM

Citrate1007: If you have to lie to win an argument, it is a good indication that you are wrong.


Harvard University recently proved that wrong in a study.  So there.
 
2013-01-16 04:33:08 PM
FTA: Asked for evidence to back its claim, Club for Growth Wisconsin pointed to an opinion article by Republican state Rep. Mary Kiffmeyer that was published in a Stillwater, Minn., newspaper in October 2012. Kiffmeyer served as Minnesota secretary of state from 1999 through 2006, heading the office that oversees elections there.

Who cites an opinion piece?
 
2013-01-16 04:34:37 PM

machodonkeywrestler: FTA: Asked for evidence to back its claim, Club for Growth Wisconsin pointed to an opinion article by Republican state Rep. Mary Kiffmeyer that was published in a Stillwater, Minn., newspaper in October 2012. Kiffmeyer served as Minnesota secretary of state from 1999 through 2006, heading the office that oversees elections there.

Who cites an opinion piece?


The spokesman for Club for Growth, apparently.
 
2013-01-16 04:34:55 PM

jjorsett: It's time to give up this fight, GOP, and embrace the new paradigm: fraud is now viewed as just another way of getting what voters would give you if they weren't misguided or drooling retards. You may as well start teaching your operatives how to commit their own fraud and level the playing field.


Yep, because all of the 140 people who were convicted of voter fraud were democratic operatives. Voter fraud is such a widespread problem and so easy to execute that we should take DNA samples from people when they register to vote.

/Sarcasm
/I haz it
 
2013-01-16 04:35:39 PM

machodonkeywrestler: FTA: Asked for evidence to back its claim, Club for Growth Wisconsin pointed to an opinion article by Republican state Rep. Mary Kiffmeyer that was published in a Stillwater, Minn., newspaper in October 2012. Kiffmeyer served as Minnesota secretary of state from 1999 through 2006, heading the office that oversees elections there.

Who cites an opinion piece?


It's a piece designed to attack Ritchie, the current SoS.
 
2013-01-16 04:36:36 PM

ginandbacon: This headline is very very very funny.


So does that mean all cops are Republicans or just had the same math teacher?
 
2013-01-16 04:38:08 PM
Sigh....Wississippi!!!!! I can't get my certs fast enough to get out of here as this state goes down the shiatter
 
2013-01-16 04:39:35 PM

Solon Isonomia: machodonkeywrestler: FTA: Asked for evidence to back its claim, Club for Growth Wisconsin pointed to an opinion article by Republican state Rep. Mary Kiffmeyer that was published in a Stillwater, Minn., newspaper in October 2012. Kiffmeyer served as Minnesota secretary of state from 1999 through 2006, heading the office that oversees elections there.

Who cites an opinion piece?

It's a piece designed to attack Ritchie, the current SoS.


Still, that's pretty weak. And why would you admit to it?
 
2013-01-16 04:41:49 PM
gifs.gifbin.com
 
2013-01-16 04:46:24 PM
I note PolitiFact hasn't released which reasonable truth is its Lie of the Year yet.

/WHAR LIE OF YEAR WHAR
 
2013-01-16 04:48:01 PM

machodonkeywrestler: Solon Isonomia: machodonkeywrestler: FTA: Asked for evidence to back its claim, Club for Growth Wisconsin pointed to an opinion article by Republican state Rep. Mary Kiffmeyer that was published in a Stillwater, Minn., newspaper in October 2012. Kiffmeyer served as Minnesota secretary of state from 1999 through 2006, heading the office that oversees elections there.

Who cites an opinion piece?

It's a piece designed to attack Ritchie, the current SoS.

Still, that's pretty weak. And why would you admit to it?


Some of the Minnesota Republicans aren't too clever... Same can be said about some of the Democrats too.
 
2013-01-16 04:49:51 PM

machodonkeywrestler: FTA: Asked for evidence to back its claim, Club for Growth Wisconsin pointed to an opinion article by Republican state Rep. Mary Kiffmeyer that was published in a Stillwater, Minn., newspaper in October 2012. Kiffmeyer served as Minnesota secretary of state from 1999 through 2006, heading the office that oversees elections there.

Who cites an opinion piece?



Republicans who know their base.
 
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