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2013-01-16 10:17:50 AM
Source: Townhall. I stopped there.
 
2013-01-16 10:29:11 AM

GiantRex: Source: Townhall. I stopped there.


By John Stossel.  His article isn't as offensive by Stossel standards.  He basically discusses that people are being frightened unnecessarily by things like GM and BPA and other random chemicals, and that chemicals are good for you.

but the comments, oh the comments...
 
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2013-01-16 10:30:45 AM
th08.deviantart.net
 
2013-01-16 10:35:15 AM
encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-16 10:49:58 AM
GM foods require less water, need fewer pesticides and grow where other crops will not survive.

Except they're not being engineered that way.  They're being engineered so that we can use  more chemicals and pesticides on them.  Follow the money.  Engineering a plant that's hearty and resilient all on its own isn't good for profits.  And check the chain of ownership and the cooperation of various companies and lobbies supporting GM foods.
 
2013-01-16 10:53:57 AM

Diogenes: GM foods require less water, need fewer pesticides and grow where other crops will not survive.

Except they're not being engineered that way.  They're being engineered so that we can use  more chemicals and pesticides on them.  Follow the money.  Engineering a plant that's hearty and resilient all on its own isn't good for profits.  And check the chain of ownership and the cooperation of various companies and lobbies supporting GM foods.


Not to mention the terminal seeds. Corn that won't germinate (or whatever, don't remember the exact process) so that new seed has to be purchased by farmers every year.
 
2013-01-16 10:54:39 AM

I_Am_Weasel: but the comments, oh the comments...


I see things about Sandy Hook conspiracy theories, GM food, GM the car company, genetically-modified politicians, Monsanto, corn, maize, OBAMA!!!, DDT, mainstream media, and influenza.

Seems this group of Republicans knows how to party.
 
2013-01-16 11:00:46 AM
In before Monsanto,
 
2013-01-16 11:03:04 AM

SurfaceTension: Diogenes: GM foods require less water, need fewer pesticides and grow where other crops will not survive.

Except they're not being engineered that way.  They're being engineered so that we can use  more chemicals and pesticides on them.  Follow the money.  Engineering a plant that's hearty and resilient all on its own isn't good for profits.  And check the chain of ownership and the cooperation of various companies and lobbies supporting GM foods.

Not to mention the terminal seeds. Corn that won't germinate (or whatever, don't remember the exact process) so that new seed has to be purchased by farmers every year.


Even better is the ones that cross-pollinate onto surrounding farms then Monsanto shows up and gives you a bill for stealing their copy-right protected corn strand.
 
2013-01-16 11:06:12 AM
wiki.urbandead.com
 
2013-01-16 11:07:10 AM

JolobinSmokin: In before Monsanto,


Guess which SCotUS Justice was a Monsanto lawyer for years and has ruled in their favor every time?
 
2013-01-16 11:08:51 AM

vernonFL: [encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com image 225x225]


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-16 11:08:54 AM
Instead of reading John Stossel's blather, check out the UCS's page on GM crops. Vastly more informative and genuinely balanced.
 
2013-01-16 11:10:49 AM

GiantRex: Source: Townhall. I stopped there.


I stopped somewhere around here..........

Townhall > Columnists > John Stossel

media.townhall.com John Stossel
 
2013-01-16 11:11:22 AM
There's no reason to get excited about chemicals -- unless you're an environmental activist eager to acquire money and power.

"A lot of them make money on newsletters," says Gunlock. "Bad news sells." NRDC has raised $185 million by scaring people.


I, for one, am happy that John Stossel volunteers his time to inform the public and refuses to take any compensation for his work on TV or for the books he writes.
 
2013-01-16 11:11:55 AM
yay, another 'eliminate all regulation' article from John Stossel. zzzzzzzzzzz
 
2013-01-16 11:13:56 AM
Townhall is "the media" now?

That's fun.
 
2013-01-16 11:14:23 AM
'We in the media rarely lie to you.'

The lamestream mainstream LSM/MSM/LSD media? Yeah, right!
 
2013-01-16 11:14:48 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: I, for one, am happy that John Stossel volunteers his time to inform the public and refuses to take any compensation for his work on TV or for the books he writes.


Or takes any money from the fed because it is downright unamerkin.

Fox News' John Stossel Blasts Federal Flood Insurance Program, Plans To Collect His Money Anyway
By Igor Volsky
Think Progress
Nov 1, 2012
 
2013-01-16 11:15:52 AM

The Homer Tax: Townhall is "the media" now?

That's fun.


There's nothing sadder than a self-hating media personality.
 
2013-01-16 11:16:09 AM

zarberg: JolobinSmokin: In before Monsanto,

Guess which SCotUS Justice was a Monsanto lawyer for years and has ruled in their favor every time?


That one.
 
2013-01-16 11:19:07 AM

SurfaceTension: Diogenes: GM foods require less water, need fewer pesticides and grow where other crops will not survive.

Except they're not being engineered that way.  They're being engineered so that we can use  more chemicals and pesticides on them.  Follow the money.  Engineering a plant that's hearty and resilient all on its own isn't good for profits.  And check the chain of ownership and the cooperation of various companies and lobbies supporting GM foods.

Not to mention the terminal seeds. Corn that won't germinate (or whatever, don't remember the exact process) so that new seed has to be purchased by farmers every year.


I'm too lazy to scan through the comments and someone may have addressed this already.

Terminal seeds are a good thing with GM crops - sure rabble rabble rabble farmers. On the other hand, you probably don't want these GM crops cross-breeding with non-GM types right? The Terminal seeds prevent them getting out in the wild (pretty well) and also help kill any hybrids that may form with other GM or non-GM species.

They make these crops predictable, you plant them, they grow, then they're done. There's little chance of these crops going wild without some spectacularly improbable mutations.
 
2013-01-16 11:22:34 AM

Witty_Retort: SurfaceTension: Diogenes: GM foods require less water, need fewer pesticides and grow where other crops will not survive.

Except they're not being engineered that way.  They're being engineered so that we can use  more chemicals and pesticides on them.  Follow the money.  Engineering a plant that's hearty and resilient all on its own isn't good for profits.  And check the chain of ownership and the cooperation of various companies and lobbies supporting GM foods.

Not to mention the terminal seeds. Corn that won't germinate (or whatever, don't remember the exact process) so that new seed has to be purchased by farmers every year.

Even better is the ones that cross-pollinate onto surrounding farms then Monsanto shows up and gives you a bill for stealing their copy-right protected corn strand.


As I recall, what actually happened was some seed was accidentally spread into the neighbouring field. With the rules regarding patents, IIRC if you actually managed to successfully cross-breed a GM crop with a natural crop and it thrived, you could patent the new crop as a significant change (again IIRC the patent covers a specific genotype and you've significantly changed it).

The reason GM crops are a) expensive and b) few in number is because they a) don't actually cross breed and b) are hard as crap and expensive as fark to develop successfully.
 
2013-01-16 11:23:03 AM

Bored Horde: There's little chance of these crops going wild without some spectacularly improbable mutations.


images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Nature, ah, finds a way.
 
2013-01-16 11:23:09 AM

GiantRex: Source: Townhall. I stopped there.


One and done. Modmins need to stop using [Politics] as the sewage filtration system of the internet. Kinda getting tired of every turd flushed down by TownHall, WND, Reason, etc. washing up here.
 
2013-01-16 11:28:31 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: GiantRex: Source: Townhall. I stopped there.

One and done. Modmins need to stop using [Politics] as the sewage filtration system of the internet. Kinda getting tired of every turd flushed down by TownHall, WND, Reason, etc. washing up here.


OK. Now, can we do the same for HuffPo, ThinkProgress, and the myriad far-left political turd machines on the other side? Why not just make Fark as milquetoasty and bland as your Grandmother's knitting circle?

/Don't like it? Grow up.
 
2013-01-16 11:33:15 AM
You're bold sunny!

I saw it was tardhall and didn't even start.
 
2013-01-16 11:34:43 AM
RINOs!!! The LameStream media alWays lies!!
 
2013-01-16 11:43:24 AM

Dr Dreidel: Bored Horde: There's little chance of these crops going wild without some spectacularly improbable mutations.

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 359x296]

Nature, ah, finds a way.

never tell me the odds

www.thestylishgeek.com

/hot
//wait, what?!
 
2013-01-16 11:44:43 AM

dittybopper: LouDobbsAwaaaay: GiantRex: Source: Townhall. I stopped there.

One and done. Modmins need to stop using [Politics] as the sewage filtration system of the internet. Kinda getting tired of every turd flushed down by TownHall, WND, Reason, etc. washing up here.

OK. Now, can we do the same for HuffPo, ThinkProgress, and the myriad far-left political turd machines on the other side? Why not just make Fark as milquetoasty and bland as your Grandmother's knitting circle?

/Don't like it? Grow up.


Wow. It took a whole 5 minutes and 22 seconds for one of you to shoot back with "BOTH SIDEZ ARE TEH BADZ!!!" You're slipping.

Considering your pathological need to bark that knee-jerk reaction, the accusation that I need to "grow up" is amusing.

/your blogs suck, and are only posted here as a sideshow of your ideology's awfulness
 
2013-01-16 11:48:32 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: GiantRex: Source: Townhall. I stopped there.

One and done. Modmins need to stop using [Politics] as the sewage filtration system of the internet. Kinda getting tired of every turd flushed down by TownHall, WND, Reason, etc. washing up here.


Wait...."Reason" is a problem now? I understand the left hate all that which does not conform, but I thought you guys still like to get a little dash of science in there. Is reason flawed or disingenuous now? Are they afraid of the scary black man in office or math or science or whatever else you think we derps believe?

Reason and logic are bad now. Stupid is Genius.
 
2013-01-16 11:49:47 AM

studs up: I understand the left hate all that which does not conform


And speaking of "not helping"...
 
2013-01-16 11:50:18 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wow. It took a whole 5 minutes and 22 seconds for one of you to shoot back with "BOTH SIDEZ ARE TEH BADZ!!!" You're slipping.

Considering your pathological need to bark that knee-jerk reaction, the accusation that I need to "grow up" is amusing.

/your blogs suck, and are only posted here as a sideshow of your ideology's awfulness


Translation: "I don't like what you said, so NYEH!".

In fact, both sides *DO* suck, at least on the far left and far right. The fact that you can only see bad in one and not the other is telling on which side of the spectrum you fall.

Quite frankly, I say "A pox on both their houses".
 
2013-01-16 11:50:57 AM

studs up: LouDobbsAwaaaay: GiantRex: Source: Townhall. I stopped there.

One and done. Modmins need to stop using [Politics] as the sewage filtration system of the internet. Kinda getting tired of every turd flushed down by TownHall, WND, Reason, etc. washing up here.

Wait...."Reason" is a problem now? I understand the left hate all that which does not conform, but I thought you guys still like to get a little dash of science in there. Is reason flawed or disingenuous now? Are they afraid of the scary black man in office or math or science or whatever else you think we derps believe?

Reason and logic are bad now. Stupid is Genius.


You could have saved a whole bunch of keystrokes by just responding with "[fart-noises]". Your worship of bullshiat is neither surprising nor particularly interesting. Take your cohort's advice and "grow up".
 
2013-01-16 11:52:30 AM

studs up: LouDobbsAwaaaay: GiantRex: Source: Townhall. I stopped there.

One and done. Modmins need to stop using [Politics] as the sewage filtration system of the internet. Kinda getting tired of every turd flushed down by TownHall, WND, Reason, etc. washing up here.

Wait...."Reason" is a problem now? I understand the left hate all that which does not conform, but I thought you guys still like to get a little dash of science in there. Is reason flawed or disingenuous now? Are they afraid of the scary black man in office or math or science or whatever else you think we derps believe?

Reason and logic are bad now. Stupid is Genius.


I think he was talking about Reason, the libertarian magazine, not reason, the decision making/rationalization/debating process.
 
2013-01-16 11:53:25 AM

GiantRex: Source: Townhall. I stopped there.


I made it as far as "John Stossel"
 
2013-01-16 11:54:12 AM

dittybopper: In fact, both sides *DO* suck


"Being a Fark IndependentTM not a phase, mom! It's MY LIFE!!!"
 
2013-01-16 11:56:53 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: studs up: LouDobbsAwaaaay: GiantRex: Source: Townhall. I stopped there.

One and done. Modmins need to stop using [Politics] as the sewage filtration system of the internet. Kinda getting tired of every turd flushed down by TownHall, WND, Reason, etc. washing up here.

Wait...."Reason" is a problem now? I understand the left hate all that which does not conform, but I thought you guys still like to get a little dash of science in there. Is reason flawed or disingenuous now? Are they afraid of the scary black man in office or math or science or whatever else you think we derps believe?

Reason and logic are bad now. Stupid is Genius.

You could have saved a whole bunch of keystrokes by just responding with "[fart-noises]". Your worship of bullshiat is neither surprising nor particularly interesting. Take your cohort's advice and "grow up".


So you are a name calling 12 year old. My mistake. Moving on...
 
2013-01-16 11:57:27 AM

dittybopper: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wow. It took a whole 5 minutes and 22 seconds for one of you to shoot back with "BOTH SIDEZ ARE TEH BADZ!!!" You're slipping.

Considering your pathological need to bark that knee-jerk reaction, the accusation that I need to "grow up" is amusing.

/your blogs suck, and are only posted here as a sideshow of your ideology's awfulness

Translation: "I don't like what you said, so NYEH!".

In fact, both sides *DO* suck, at least on the far left and far right. The fact that you can only see bad in one and not the other is telling on which side of the spectrum you fall.

Quite frankly, I say "A pox on both their houses".


Translation: I don't have another talking point from the GOP hive-mind so I'll just repeat myself, louder!
 
2013-01-16 11:58:11 AM

not5am: Dr Dreidel: Bored Horde: There's little chance of these crops going wild without some spectacularly improbable mutations.

[images2.wikia.nocookie.net image 359x296]

Nature, ah, finds a way.

never tell me the odds
[www.thestylishgeek.com image 425x639]

/hot
//wait, what?!


I haven never notice this before but how was Han able to load his C96 with the useless scope on it?
 
2013-01-16 11:58:16 AM

Bored Horde: Terminal seeds are a good thing with GM crops - sure rabble rabble rabble farmers. On the other hand, you probably don't want these GM crops cross-breeding with non-GM types right? The Terminal seeds prevent them getting out in the wild (pretty well) and also help kill any hybrids that may form with other GM or non-GM species.

They make these crops predictable, you plant them, they grow, then they're done. There's little chance of these crops going wild without some spectacularly improbable mutations.



If GM crops had non-terminal seeds, after the first crop was harvested, everyone everywhere would have an infinite supply of all the GM seed they wanted for essentially free.

I don't see what the big deal is about wanting to make money off of GM crops. No one is forcing farmers to use GM crops. It's not like pharmaceuticals where it might be immoral to charge a ton and keep making money off of it. Any farmer can always just return to planting non-GM corn.

Diogenes: Except they're not being engineered that way. They're being engineered so that we can use more chemicals and pesticides on them. Follow the money. Engineering a plant that's hearty and resilient all on its own isn't good for profits. And check the chain of ownership and the cooperation of various companies and lobbies supporting GM foods.


Before you go too far off the deep end, remember farmers can happily produce their own seed and there are plenty of non-GM sources of seed. So please do follow the money because right now it seems the thread has built a narrative where farmers are constantly buying GM seed year after year because they don't reproduce and that GM seed requires more and more chemicals and pesticides. Why the fark would they spend all of that money and effort when they could just use non-GM plants and have essentially free seeds year after year?
 
2013-01-16 11:58:18 AM

studs up: So you are a name calling 12 year old. My mistake. Moving on...


"NUH UH! YOU'RE A DUMMY-HEAD! What, you're just going to call people names like a 12 year old? Pfffft. I'm out."

Conservatism is certainly on display in here.
 
2013-01-16 11:58:39 AM
If humans live long enough they'll develop rumors too
 
2013-01-16 11:59:56 AM

LouDobbsAwaaaay: "BOTH SIDEZ ARE TEH BADZ!!!"


Don't you get it? Any website that has a quantifiable liberal bias is EXACTLY as bad as WND and Townhall.
 
2013-01-16 12:04:14 PM

Jackson Herring: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "BOTH SIDEZ ARE TEH BADZ!!!"

Don't you get it? Any website that has a quantifiable liberal bias is EXACTLY as bad as WND and Townhall.


So vote Republican.
 
2013-01-16 12:08:57 PM

Jackson Herring: LouDobbsAwaaaay: "BOTH SIDEZ ARE TEH BADZ!!!"

Don't you get it? Any website that has a quantifiable liberal bias is EXACTLY as bad as WND and Townhall.


When people spew out the lazy and lying 'Both sides are bad!' BS, its usually in defense of the Right or when the GOP does something stupid.
 
2013-01-16 12:09:44 PM

TheBigJerk: dittybopper: LouDobbsAwaaaay: Wow. It took a whole 5 minutes and 22 seconds for one of you to shoot back with "BOTH SIDEZ ARE TEH BADZ!!!" You're slipping.

Considering your pathological need to bark that knee-jerk reaction, the accusation that I need to "grow up" is amusing.

/your blogs suck, and are only posted here as a sideshow of your ideology's awfulness

Translation: "I don't like what you said, so NYEH!".

In fact, both sides *DO* suck, at least on the far left and far right. The fact that you can only see bad in one and not the other is telling on which side of the spectrum you fall.

Quite frankly, I say "A pox on both their houses".

Translation: I don't have another talking point from the GOP hive-mind so I'll just repeat myself, louder!


WTF? Your account was created back in 'aught eight, and you are treating Ditty like some common skinnyhead? God forbid someone have a differing opinion than yourself, but FFS. He not a one and done thread runner. This man has stamina.

/and lots of nifty guns
 
2013-01-16 12:15:14 PM

lennavan: No one is forcing farmers to use GM crops.


But by essentially controlling supply, they've removed all alternatives. (one example)

It'd be nice if you could get "non GM" seeds as easily as you can GMOs. So Monsanto, et al aren't FORCING farmers to use GMOs, they've just removed all the alternatives in ready supply.
 
2013-01-16 12:16:22 PM

lennavan: Bored Horde: Terminal seeds are a good thing with GM crops - sure rabble rabble rabble farmers. On the other hand, you probably don't want these GM crops cross-breeding with non-GM types right? The Terminal seeds prevent them getting out in the wild (pretty well) and also help kill any hybrids that may form with other GM or non-GM species.

They make these crops predictable, you plant them, they grow, then they're done. There's little chance of these crops going wild without some spectacularly improbable mutations.

If GM crops had non-terminal seeds, after the first crop was harvested, everyone everywhere would have an infinite supply of all the GM seed they wanted for essentially free.

I don't see what the big deal is about wanting to make money off of GM crops. No one is forcing farmers to use GM crops. It's not like pharmaceuticals where it might be immoral to charge a ton and keep making money off of it. Any farmer can always just return to planting non-GM corn.

Diogenes: Except they're not being engineered that way. They're being engineered so that we can use more chemicals and pesticides on them. Follow the money. Engineering a plant that's hearty and resilient all on its own isn't good for profits. And check the chain of ownership and the cooperation of various companies and lobbies supporting GM foods.

Before you go too far off the deep end, remember farmers can happily produce their own seed and there are plenty of non-GM sources of seed. So please do follow the money because right now it seems the thread has built a narrative where farmers are constantly buying GM seed year after year because they don't reproduce and that GM seed requires more and more chemicals and pesticides. Why the fark would they spend all of that money and effort when they could just use non-GM plants and have essentially free seeds year after year?


Monsanto have engaged in frankly abusive tactics to force farmers into using their product. They do make more money on round-up ready fields vs. normal fields, that's a fact. But they are being forced into these contracts by abusive legal tactics.
 
2013-01-16 12:18:59 PM

NeverDrunk23: When people spew out the lazy and lying 'Both sides are bad!' BS, its usually in defense of the Right or when the GOP does something stupid.


do you like "get" jokes
 
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