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2013-01-16 08:27:45 AM  
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This is really the only response to this woman's rantings.
 
2013-01-16 08:40:21 AM  
That final paragraph is farking lunacy.  Where the hell did abortion come from??
 
2013-01-16 08:42:34 AM  
Coulter doesn't have enough influence to be a problem.
 
2013-01-16 08:44:11 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: That final paragraph is farking lunacy.  Where the hell did abortion come from??


If Ann didn't say stuff like this periodically, she might have to get a real job.
 
2013-01-16 09:05:08 AM  
I like that she suggests that women should just indiscriminately fire high-velocity rounds from a semi-auto assault rifle inside their homes rather than, you know, go to the gun range and learn how to use a gun.

I'm sure little Timmy sleeps quite well in his flak vest and combat helmet on his crib's Kevlar mattress.

Please, Ann.  Keep talking.  You're making a hell of a good case for even stricter gun control than anyone's proposed so far.
 
2013-01-16 09:08:04 AM  
Ah...Annie has weighed in on the issue, finally. We can now be at peace knowing that all the shills have gotten their checks, and thus, the economic recovery can begin...
 
2013-01-16 09:09:15 AM  

Vodka Zombie: I like that she suggests that women should just indiscriminately fire high-velocity rounds from a semi-auto assault rifle inside their homes rather than, you know, go to the gun range and learn how to use a gun.

I'm sure little Timmy sleeps quite well in his flak vest and combat helmet on his crib's Kevlar mattress.

Please, Ann.  Keep talking.  You're making a hell of a good case for even stricter gun control than anyone's proposed so far.


And to be fair, birth control and a far stronger educational system...
 
2013-01-16 09:12:06 AM  

Vodka Zombie: You're making a hell of a good case for even stricter gun control liberal ideals than anyone's proposed so far.


It almost seems like her MO.  I often wonder if she's a ideological double agent.
 
2013-01-16 09:25:24 AM  
America might have an Ann Coulter problem, I don't have an Ann Coulter problem.
I have a real life ignore button.
 
2013-01-16 09:45:21 AM  
Thanks for the help, manhands.
 
2013-01-16 09:50:58 AM  
While Ann Coulter is a loon, and she went all over the place in this article.... there is actually I have to unfortunately admit a tiny Kernel of truth in what she is spouting.

While the mass-shootings by crazy people make society go "OMG, we have a problem", the majority of gun deaths and crime in this country is really inner-city organized crime related (ie, gangs, which are predominantly a poor neighborhood african american or hispanic issue).   When people spout off the gun death statistics, that is where most of that 12,000 or so a year come from.   The "Sandy Hooks" of the world, while vile and repulsive and unimaginable... all of those together only account for maybe a few 100 deaths in a really bad year.  There are also a decent number of deaths that come from other issues (domestic disputes, accidents, suicides, etc), but, the majority is what I list above.

And the rest of society that are not in those neighborhoods basically goes "That's 'their' problem, I never go into those neighborhoods, so, I don't have to worry about it, they'll deal with it themselves".    And all of the "gun control" talk because of these "spree" killings doesn't address those issues either.... much of inner city gun crime is done with hand guns, not with AK-47s.

So, when people spout off the "12,000 gun deaths in the U.S. vs. England or Australia or wherever"... remember, more often than not, they really only care about a 1,000 of them, and they don't really want to lower that number dramatically.... because, everything they are proposing doesn't do much to what makes that "number" so high.
 
2013-01-16 09:53:26 AM  
I, for one, am in favor of 208th trimester abortion so we can abort Ann Coulter before it's too late.
 
2013-01-16 09:53:40 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: That final paragraph is farking lunacy.  Where the hell did abortion come from??


Oh, she's just twisting the knife, as she is wont to do.
 
2013-01-16 09:54:20 AM  

dletter: While the mass-shootings by crazy people make society go "OMG, we have a problem", the majority of gun deaths and crime in this country is really inner-city organized crime related (ie, gangs, which are predominantly a poor neighborhood african american or hispanic issue).   When people spout off the gun death statistics, that is where most of that 12,000 or so a year come from.


You can't say that because it's racist. We ignore 500 black on black murders in Chicago in a year, but 20 white kids get shot and people finally get fed up.

I'm talking to you, Every Fark gun thread people, you are racist.
 
2013-01-16 10:04:03 AM  

R.A.Danny: dletter: While the mass-shootings by crazy people make society go "OMG, we have a problem", the majority of gun deaths and crime in this country is really inner-city organized crime related (ie, gangs, which are predominantly a poor neighborhood african american or hispanic issue).   When people spout off the gun death statistics, that is where most of that 12,000 or so a year come from.

You can't say that because it's racist. We ignore 500 black on black murders in Chicago in a year, but 20 white kids get shot and people finally get fed up.

I'm talking to you, Every Fark gun thread people, you are racist.


Actually, it isn't even racist... there could have certainly been, if there were or not, non-white victims at Sandy Hook, or in Aurora, etc.  It really is more of a "class" issue.  But, unfortunately, because the majority of the poor in the inner-city are non-white, it manifests itself as a "race" issue.

I'm not going to sit here and claim that I am above the thinking I described... I have a good job, and I don't go to the "bad" areas of town, so, all the crimes I see on the news about shooting there and the like... I'll admit I am just like most, and say "well, that is their problem".

My point being though, it is disingenuous of the Pier's Morgans of the world to spout off the "12,000 vs. 300" statistic and then start talking about regulations and solutions that basically go after less than 1/10 of what that 12,000 is.   Just admit that you don't want crazy people shooting large groups of innocent people in "your" neighborhoods.
 
2013-01-16 10:09:39 AM  

dletter: While the mass-shootings by crazy people make society go "OMG, we have a problem", the majority of gun deaths and crime in this country is really inner-city organized crime related (ie, gangs, which are predominantly a poor neighborhood african american or hispanic issue). When people spout off the gun death statistics, that is where most of that 12,000 or so a year come from. The "Sandy Hooks" of the world, while vile and repulsive and unimaginable... all of those together only account for maybe a few 100 deaths in a really bad year. There are also a decent number of deaths that come from other issues (domestic disputes, accidents, suicides, etc), but, the majority is what I list above.


R.A.Danny: You can't say that because it's racist. We ignore 500 black on black murders in Chicago in a year, but 20 white kids get shot and people finally get fed up.

I'm talking to you, Every Fark gun thread people, you are racist.


Farkin' A, Bubba!
 
2013-01-16 10:13:17 AM  

hinten: America might have an Ann Coulter problem, I don't have an Ann Coulter problem.
I have a real life ignore button.


So do many people. It's called "booze."
 
2013-01-16 10:17:56 AM  

CPT Ethanolic: That final paragraph is farking lunacy.  Where the hell did abortion come from??


Since God created everything in the universe abortion came from God.
 
2013-01-16 10:18:05 AM  
Do conservatives still care what she thinks? I mean that as an actual question.
 
2013-01-16 10:19:17 AM  
The whitest thing I've ever seen was the Coulter/Hannity fist bump picture in the video before you hit play. That level of social awkwardness needs to be confined to 4chan/reddit.
 
2013-01-16 10:19:22 AM  
If the ghetto is so dangerous, and the NRA is such a proponent of self-defense through guns, then why aren't they signing people up in the hood left right? And don't come in with that "they don't arm felons" crap, there are plenty of law-abiding, criminal record-free people living in rough areas.
 
2013-01-16 10:19:29 AM  

dletter: Actually, it isn't even racist... there could have certainly been, if there were or not, non-white victims at Sandy Hook, or in Aurora, etc. It really is more of a "class" issue. But, unfortunately, because the majority of the poor in the inner-city are non-white, it manifests itself as a "race" issue.


There's also the fact that most of the people who wind up getting shot were somehow involved in the drug trade. I refuse to give a shiat if one drug dealer shoots another drug dealer.
 
2013-01-16 10:21:27 AM  

hinten: America might have an Ann Coulter problem, I don't have an Ann Coulter problem.
I have a real life ignore button.


This. If it weren't for the regular Fark article, I'd be able to live my life free of the harpie.
 
2013-01-16 10:24:09 AM  
That article and accompanying video are just satire, right? Right?
 
2013-01-16 10:24:15 AM  
You know, if someone had walked onto that set and smashed both Coulter and Hannity upside the head with an aluminum baseball bat, I would have demanded a national holiday in his/her honor.
 
2013-01-16 10:24:59 AM  
We have both of those problems. And when we have problems, we invent problems that solve those problems but create two more problems because we're short-sighted jackasses.
 
2013-01-16 10:25:02 AM  

hubiestubert: Vodka Zombie: I like that she suggests that women should just indiscriminately fire high-velocity rounds from a semi-auto assault rifle inside their homes rather than, you know, go to the gun range and learn how to use a gun.

I'm sure little Timmy sleeps quite well in his flak vest and combat helmet on his crib's Kevlar mattress.

Please, Ann.  Keep talking.  You're making a hell of a good case for even stricter gun control than anyone's proposed so far.

And to be fair, birth control and a far stronger educational system...


And government-paid health services for pre-op transsexuals

/the sooner he gets rid of that penis, the better off he is going to be
 
2013-01-16 10:25:07 AM  
Just another front in the never-ending culture war against "hippies"
 
2013-01-16 10:25:13 AM  

Vodka Zombie: I like that she suggests that women should just indiscriminately fire high-velocity rounds from a semi-auto assault rifle inside their homes rather than, you know, go to the gun range and learn how to use a gun.


I like how she suggests that women (or others) use high-velocity rounds inside their homes as a means of self-defense in the first place. She's either too ignorant, or completely misses the point, that such ammo often has the ability to pierce several layers of sheetrock and could easily poise a problem to other family members/friendlies inside the home and potential innocents in adjoining spaces and structures.

There's a reason why the military/police typically use rounds that minimize such collateral damage issues when involved in close quarter actions. If you want home defense, try a pump action shotgun - it's incredibly reliable, your not likely to shoot your own kids asleep in their beds 2 bedrooms down the hall, and it's a little more "forgiving" if your aim isn't perfect (more likely to hit your intended target with a nice pattern a foot or two wide than with single projectiles a fraction of an inch wide.)
 
2013-01-16 10:28:38 AM  

dletter: R.A.Danny: dletter: While the mass-shootings by crazy people make society go "OMG, we have a problem", the majority of gun deaths and crime in this country is really inner-city organized crime related (ie, gangs, which are predominantly a poor neighborhood african american or hispanic issue).   When people spout off the gun death statistics, that is where most of that 12,000 or so a year come from.

You can't say that because it's racist. We ignore 500 black on black murders in Chicago in a year, but 20 white kids get shot and people finally get fed up.

I'm talking to you, Every Fark gun thread people, you are racist.

Actually, it isn't even racist... there could have certainly been, if there were or not, non-white victims at Sandy Hook, or in Aurora, etc.  It really is more of a "class" issue.  But, unfortunately, because the majority of the poor in the inner-city are non-white, it manifests itself as a "race" issue.

I'm not going to sit here and claim that I am above the thinking I described... I have a good job, and I don't go to the "bad" areas of town, so, all the crimes I see on the news about shooting there and the like... I'll admit I am just like most, and say "well, that is their problem".

My point being though, it is disingenuous of the Pier's Morgans of the world to spout off the "12,000 vs. 300" statistic and then start talking about regulations and solutions that basically go after less than 1/10 of what that 12,000 is.   Just admit that you don't want crazy people shooting large groups of innocent people in "your" neighborhoods.


Came here to say this. Thank you, dletter. Yes, most of these gun crimes are indeed non-white but I agree, it's more of a social class thing. I think the Black/Mexican link is probably coincidental.
 
2013-01-16 10:30:14 AM  
Oh good the daily gun thread. All the recent discussion prompted me to look at the data for the last twenty years and put together a quick graphic on how Americans are killing each other. The data indicates that 2 out three times it's a firearm.

To the primary discussion, the rate is the lowest since 1960. Our demographic problem appears to have been the Baby Boomers.

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-16 10:30:22 AM  
Rational discourse has always been at war with Ann Coulter.
 
2013-01-16 10:30:24 AM  

tnpir: You know, if someone had walked onto that set and smashed both Coulter and Hannity upside the head with an aluminum baseball bat, I would have demanded a national holiday in his/her honor.


OK, that mental image *totally* made smile but then I realized people would start demanding a control on aluminum baseball bats.

But it would be worth it, I think....
 
2013-01-16 10:32:03 AM  

lawboy87: There's a reason why the military/police typically use rounds that minimize such collateral damage issues when involved in close quarter actions. If you want home defense, try a pump action shotgun - it's incredibly reliable, your not likely to shoot your own kids asleep in their beds 2 bedrooms down the hall, and it's a little more "forgiving" if your aim isn't perfect (more likely to hit your intended target with a nice pattern a foot or two wide than with single projectiles a fraction of an inch wide.)


You're not going to get much of a spread unless your house is truly enormous, though the shotgun does have other advantages. It looks formidable, and it's got a lot of stopping power just due to the mass of the projectile.
 
2013-01-16 10:34:01 AM  

GA Chick: OK, that mental image *totally* made smile but then I realized people would start demanding a control on aluminum baseball bats.


Why would anyone want any controls on the wondrous device that rid the world of Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity?
 
2013-01-16 10:34:49 AM  
sometimes the truth hurts.
 
2013-01-16 10:35:32 AM  

GA Chick: tnpir: You know, if someone had walked onto that set and smashed both Coulter and Hannity upside the head with an aluminum baseball bat, I would have demanded a national holiday in his/her honor.

OK, that mental image *totally* made smile but then I realized people would start demanding a control on aluminum baseball bats.

But it would be worth it, I think....


sigh: made *me* smile

/because I am literate (really)
 
2013-01-16 10:35:41 AM  

Glicky: Oh good the daily gun thread. All the recent discussion prompted me to look at the data for the last twenty years and put together a quick graphic on how Americans are killing each other. The data indicates that 2 out three times it's a firearm.

To the primary discussion, the rate is the lowest since 1960. Our demographic problem appears to have been the Baby Boomers.

[i.imgur.com image 850x414]


Couple of things... Firstly, I find it surprising that America is more stabby than bludgeony.

Secondly, whenever I see a graph of that type, I always think of Freakonomics where the authors suggest that the huge drop in violent crime in the 90s was due mostly to Roe vs Wade being a good decision by the SCOTUS.
 
2013-01-16 10:36:00 AM  
Ann Coulter doesnt mention the real problem?

smmercury.com
 
2013-01-16 10:36:07 AM  

lawboy87: I like how she suggests that women (or others) use high-velocity rounds inside their homes as a means of self-defense in the first place. She's either too ignorant, or completely misses the point, that such ammo often has the ability to pierce several layers of sheetrock and could easily poise a problem to other family members/friendlies inside the home and potential innocents in adjoining spaces and structures.

There's a reason why the military/police typically use rounds that minimize such collateral damage issues when involved in close quarter actions. If you want home defense, try a pump action shotgun - it's incredibly reliable, your not likely to shoot your own kids asleep in their beds 2 bedrooms down the hall, and it's a little more "forgiving" if your aim isn't perfect (more likely to hit your intended target with a nice pattern a foot or two wide than with single projectiles a fraction of an inch wide.)


You've got some damn big bedrooms if there's enough range for a spread pattern to approach 2 feet.
 
2013-01-16 10:36:35 AM  

Dancin_In_Anson: dletter: While the mass-shootings by crazy people make society go "OMG, we have a problem", the majority of gun deaths and crime in this country is really inner-city organized crime related (ie, gangs, which are predominantly a poor neighborhood african american or hispanic issue). When people spout off the gun death statistics, that is where most of that 12,000 or so a year come from. The "Sandy Hooks" of the world, while vile and repulsive and unimaginable... all of those together only account for maybe a few 100 deaths in a really bad year. There are also a decent number of deaths that come from other issues (domestic disputes, accidents, suicides, etc), but, the majority is what I list above.

R.A.Danny: You can't say that because it's racist. We ignore 500 black on black murders in Chicago in a year, but 20 white kids get shot and people finally get fed up.

I'm talking to you, Every Fark gun thread people, you are racist.

Farkin' A, Bubba!


DIA... I am certainly not a "bubba" (can't speak for RADanny).... I don't own a gun, I'm not a "gun enthusiast", I don't play shooting video games.... so, from a perspective of "my life", there is not issue with me and "taking away my guns".    But, I can certainly see when there is deception when discussing the issue, and I do find it interesting, I was watching Piers Morgan's "roundtable" last night ( and could he have found any more of a weird looking, crazy pro-gun lady to portray the "other side"), and the whole "12,000 vs. 500" argument just bothered me, for the reasons I stated above... the 12,000 number isn't really related to the "Spree shootings", and any of the proposed "solutions" don't make that 12,000 number go significantly down... they just are an attempt to fix the "spree" killing issue, which, is fine, but, don't make it out like it is going to make that number drop to 2,000.
 
2013-01-16 10:37:00 AM  

lawboy87: Vodka Zombie: I like that she suggests that women should just indiscriminately fire high-velocity rounds from a semi-auto assault rifle inside their homes rather than, you know, go to the gun range and learn how to use a gun.

I like how she suggests that women (or others) use high-velocity rounds inside their homes as a means of self-defense in the first place. She's either too ignorant, or completely misses the point, that such ammo often has the ability to pierce several layers of sheetrock and could easily poise a problem to other family members/friendlies inside the home and potential innocents in adjoining spaces and structures.

There's a reason why the military/police typically use rounds that minimize such collateral damage issues when involved in close quarter actions. If you want home defense, try a pump action shotgun - it's incredibly reliable, your not likely to shoot your own kids asleep in their beds 2 bedrooms down the hall, and it's a little more "forgiving" if your aim isn't perfect (more likely to hit your intended target with a nice pattern a foot or two wide than with single projectiles a fraction of an inch wide.)


two points

1) you still don't need "high capacity" in a home invasion, Anne. the lady in Georgia a few days ago had rudimentary experience with a revolver and went 5 for 6. now, I think high capacity shot be above 15, but that's just me.

2) pump shotguns aren't that great for defense. unless you're swing the barrel off, your pattern is maybe 6" on the outside and a pump limits your shots, especially if you can't easily rack it (in the case of a new gun or one of Anne's defenseless women. a short defense semi or over under would be better in that case. the semi for round and the o/u for control (heavier, less barrel lift).

I'm still of the opinion, even when I carry, that if I get into a situation where I need more than 10-15 round, then I've made a seriously poor choice at some point.
 
2013-01-16 10:37:31 AM  
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Thanks for yet another fascinating, book-selling insight, Ann.

Enjoy the long, slow ride to obscurity.  Say hi to Glenn Beck when you get there.
 
2013-01-16 10:40:26 AM  
I actually prefer it when these bastards are open about their racism, so let's hope they keep this sh*t up.

And the massacres, which are what spurred the current interest in ideas like banning semi-automatics and large magazines, are almost never committed by black people. No sir, you just cannot beat us white people when it comes to massacrin'.
 
2013-01-16 10:42:49 AM  
We've crossed the rubicon here people - a combo attention whore and gun thread. Could it get any more inane?

i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-16 10:43:31 AM  

Glicky: Oh good the daily gun thread. All the recent discussion prompted me to look at the data for the last twenty years and put together a quick graphic on how Americans are killing each other. The data indicates that 2 out three times it's a firearm.
To the primary discussion, the rate is the lowest since 1960. Our demographic problem appears to have been the Baby Boomers.
[i.imgur.com image 850x414]




Yes....and more data for our daily gun bread below............

Before people start making wild assumptions as to who is shooting who, a bit more data might be handy. Some of this might be out of date by a year, but still relevant.

Twelve facts about guns and mass shootings in the United States
Ezra Klein
Washington Post
December 14, 2012

The Geography of Gun Deaths
Richard Florida, Sr Editor
The Atlantic
January 13 2011

Gun crime statistics by US state: latest data
The Guardian
 
2013-01-16 10:43:36 AM  
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2013-01-16 10:44:54 AM  

Glicky: Oh good the daily gun thread. All the recent discussion prompted me to look at the data for the last twenty years and put together a quick graphic on how Americans are killing each other. The data indicates that 2 out three times it's a firearm.

To the primary discussion, the rate is the lowest since 1960. Our demographic problem appears to have been the Baby Boomers.

[i.imgur.com image 850x414]


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-16 10:45:01 AM  
The quickest way to get gun control passed immediately? Have black people join the NRA en masse, tell them to start stockpiling weapons like the white redneck gun huggers are doing now and to buy them from white owned gun shops. We'd have gun control passed and done in record time.

sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-01-16 10:45:50 AM  

lawboy87: Vodka Zombie: I like that she suggests that women should just indiscriminately fire high-velocity rounds from a semi-auto assault rifle inside their homes rather than, you know, go to the gun range and learn how to use a gun.

I like how she suggests that women (or others) use high-velocity rounds inside their homes as a means of self-defense in the first place. She's either too ignorant, or completely misses the point, that such ammo often has the ability to pierce several layers of sheetrock and could easily poise a problem to other family members/friendlies inside the home and potential innocents in adjoining spaces and structures.

There's a reason why the military/police typically use rounds that minimize such collateral damage issues when involved in close quarter actions. If you want home defense, try a pump action shotgun - it's incredibly reliable, your not likely to shoot your own kids asleep in their beds 2 bedrooms down the hall, and it's a little more "forgiving" if your aim isn't perfect (more likely to hit your intended target with a nice pattern a foot or two wide than with single projectiles a fraction of an inch wide.)


Also, that "Sha-SHUCK!" sound that a pump action shotgun makes when you pump it should put the fear of God into any home-invader. You're likely to resolve the situation without firing a shot!
 
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