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2013-01-16 08:25:18 AM  
Still better than Skrillex.
 
2013-01-16 08:56:47 AM  

St_Francis_P: Still better than Skrillex.


Ooh, you're as edgy as the "top" comment on the video.
 
2013-01-16 08:58:17 AM  

jaylectricity: St_Francis_P: Still better than Skrillex.

Ooh, you're as edgy as the "top" comment on the video.


Your joke detector needs calibration.
 
2013-01-16 08:59:24 AM  

jaylectricity: St_Francis_P: Still better than Skrillex.

Ooh, you're as edgy as the "top" comment on the video.


I'll add, I can't see the site from work.
 
2013-01-16 09:04:26 AM  
So the joke wasn't that no matter what this video could possibly be it would still be better than the only dub-step musician to ever make any money?
 
2013-01-16 09:08:27 AM  

jaylectricity: So the joke wasn't that no matter what this video could possibly be it would still be better than the only dub-step musician to ever make any money?


Yes. That's the joke. And if we're intent on being serious about evaluating dubstep, perhaps we shouldn't start the discussion with a video of a bird mimicking dubstep.
 
2013-01-16 09:19:51 AM  
We're not being serious about evaluating dubstep. I'm just busting your balls for using a corny over-used joke.
 
2013-01-16 09:23:58 AM  

jaylectricity: We're not being serious about evaluating dubstep. I'm just busting your balls for using a corny over-used joke.


I now realize it substantially lowered the standards of Fark.
 
2013-01-16 09:25:28 AM  

St_Francis_P: Still better than Skrillex.


Not better than Swagneto, though.
 
2013-01-16 09:26:52 AM  
no
 
2013-01-16 10:01:00 AM  
I laughed, subbs.
 
2013-01-16 10:07:56 AM  
Whether you like dubstep or not, that's a pretty cool bird.
 
2013-01-16 10:15:45 AM  
I'm sick of viral videos. Achoo.
 
2013-01-16 10:49:22 AM  
"good dubstep"
Mutually exclusive terms, so no.
 
2013-01-16 11:46:19 AM  
 
2013-01-16 11:46:21 AM  
 
2013-01-16 12:05:36 PM  
We had a video on here some time ago...
It was by "Delta Heavy" and the song was "Get By" both the video and the song kick ass.
That there is good Dub step.


\can't watch your video at work, sorry.
 
2013-01-16 02:59:06 PM  
To answer the headline question, that's DJ Cockatiel, laying down some of the finest dubstep ever made.
 
2013-01-16 04:17:53 PM  

St_Francis_P: jaylectricity: So the joke wasn't that no matter what this video could possibly be it would still be better than the only dub-step musician to ever make any money?

Yes. That's the joke. And if we're intent on being serious about evaluating dubstep, perhaps we shouldn't start the discussion with a video of a bird mimicking dubstep.


Joking or not, I googled a Skrillex video, and thought the bird was better.

/now get off my lawn
 
2013-01-16 04:35:02 PM  

yarllib: St_Francis_P: jaylectricity: So the joke wasn't that no matter what this video could possibly be it would still be better than the only dub-step musician to ever make any money?

Yes. That's the joke. And if we're intent on being serious about evaluating dubstep, perhaps we shouldn't start the discussion with a video of a bird mimicking dubstep.

Joking or not, I googled a Skrillex video, and thought the bird was better.

/now get off my lawn


But the bird never dropped the bass. What's with that?
 
2013-01-16 04:44:19 PM  
 
2013-01-16 04:57:05 PM  
Oh, you should have posted this yesterday when I was wearing my "WUB WUB" shirt.

I've heard worse.
 
2013-01-16 05:23:31 PM  

busy chillin': But the bird never dropped the bass. What's with that?

never drop the bass:

[nynerd.com image 640x583]


That's a carp.
 
2013-01-16 05:46:18 PM  

thebpem: busy chillin': But the bird never dropped the bass. What's with that?

never drop the bass:

[nynerd.com image 640x583]

That's a carp.


I knew that was coming.

/I'm having a party. You will be a blast.
 
2013-01-16 06:37:49 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: We had a video on here some time ago...
It was by "Delta Heavy" and the song was "Get By" both the video and the song kick ass.
That there is good Dub step.


\can't watch your video at work, sorry.


That was pretty awesome.
 
2013-01-16 07:38:16 PM  
There's no such thing as good dubstep. It's like asking if there are any smart special education students.
 
2013-01-16 08:58:02 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: We had a video on here some time ago...
It was by "Delta Heavy" and the song was "Get By" both the video and the song kick ass.
That there is good Dub step.


\can't watch your video at work, sorry.


YOU, You do not belong in liter land!  Get out of liter land, YOU.
 
2013-01-16 09:11:06 PM  

basemetal: Uchiha_Cycliste: We had a video on here some time ago...
It was by "Delta Heavy" and the song was "Get By" both the video and the song kick ass.
That there is good Dub step.


\can't watch your video at work, sorry.

YOU, You do not belong in liter land!  Get out of liter land, YOU.


I *KNOW* right?
Why do you think I'm not harassing twilight sparkle?
 
2013-01-16 11:52:00 PM  

Ishkur: There's no such thing as good dubstep. It's like asking if there are any smart special education students.


a post so nice it got posted twice

seriously people, download some music from the last 150 years and fill out those obvious huge gaps in your music appreciation education. dubstep is as wonderful as auto-tuning. i'd rather listen to someone pee or fart.
 
2013-01-16 11:56:51 PM  

KrispyKritter: Ishkur: There's no such thing as good dubstep. It's like asking if there are any smart special education students.

a post so nice it got posted twice

seriously people, download some music from the last 150 years and fill out those obvious huge gaps in your music appreciation education. dubstep is as wonderful as auto-tuning. i'd rather listen to someone pee or fart.


You sound old.
 
2013-01-17 12:58:47 AM  

PanicMan: KrispyKritter: Ishkur: There's no such thing as good dubstep. It's like asking if there are any smart special education students.

a post so nice it got posted twice

seriously people, download some music from the last 150 years and fill out those obvious huge gaps in your music appreciation education. dubstep is as wonderful as auto-tuning. i'd rather listen to someone pee or fart.

You sound old.


He sounds like my dead grandfather, who used to call my father's music that god damn jungle crap.

\he was referring to The Allman Brother's Band. =/
 
2013-01-17 01:01:39 AM  
Heh, cute video. ...

KrispyKritter: Ishkur: There's no such thing as good dubstep. It's like asking if there are any smart special education students.

a post so nice it got posted twice

seriously people, download some music from the last 150 years and fill out those obvious huge gaps in your music appreciation education. dubstep is as wonderful as auto-tuning. i'd rather listen to someone pee or fart.


Let me ask you, will you please listen to the dub-step video I'm linking to?

Delta Heavy, get by

If you still honestly think it's absolute crap, let me know and I appreciate you trying.
If you like electronica at all, I think you might like it. Also, do you like any electronica at all? If so, who and/or what?
 
2013-01-17 02:21:47 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Delta Heavy, get by


Here is the problem with dubstep (or, what we're really referring to here is brostep): It's not an actual music genre.

It is a music technique, an audio aesthetic more concerned with texture, timbre, resonance and blistering midrange frequencies than actual harmony, melody and rhythm, but it has no native essence by itself. For this reason, it is inherently parasitical. It can only survive by corrupting existing music. Much like a virus, which cannot survive on its own and must propagate by taking over living cells and rewriting their DNA to produce more viruses, dubstep is a fiercely aggressive sound assault that can only exist by invading existing songs (in this case, Alexia - Number One, a eurodance hit from 1994) and implanting itself as the song's hook (or in dubstep terminology "the drop"), which comes out sounding like the audio equivalent of a cancerous growth. It doesn't improve the song and in most cases usually kills it.

That's what dubstep really is: It is a literal tumor festering on the living organs of electronic music.

Dubstep cannot create. It can only corrupt. I used to think speed garage was the worst music ever. But it was still only harmless and stupid. Dubstep is different. It is violent, misogynistic, and beloved by Ketamine addicts. It is, in all seriousness, the most offensive form of electronic music that's ever been created. And I listen to farking power noise.

The fact that it attracts legions of douchebag fratboy "bros" to festivals and raves also doesn't help things.

Uchiha_Cycliste: If you like electronica at all,


Also: saying this word outs you as a farking poseur.

/but I have you farkied as a trancecracker so I already knew your taste in music was deplorable
 
2013-01-17 02:37:11 AM  

Ishkur: Here is the problem with dubstep (or, what we're really referring to here is brostep): It's not an actual music genre.

biatch, biatch, biatch...

That's what dubstep really is: It is a literal tumor festering on the living organs of electronic music.


I disagree, and I think the song I linked: Get by, is a good example of the genre. I've listened through a few dub-step albums, mostly compilations and I'll admit/agree there is not much good stuff, but there is some, and the good stuff all follows a similar pattern that warrants it's own genre by virtue of being distinguishable and unique from other electronic music.

Ishkur: Uchiha_Cycliste: If you like electronica at all,

Also: saying this word outs you as a farking poseur.


How does this make me a poser? It's a catchall word to encompass all music created without instruments. Trance, techno, hardcore, happy-hardcore, drum-and-bass, breaks, whatever. All of these things fall under electronica. The way I think of it, and I really like this paradigm, is that for thousands of years we created music with instruments. Strings, drums, horns, bells. But with the advent of the electronic age we were able to use electricity alone to generate pleasant sounds. The trick was to use the electricity to make something that doesn't suck. Making electronic music is easy, making *GOOD* electronic music is tricky. I have an appreciation for good electronica, and I despise the crap. Put another way:

I don't know which came first
shiatty rave music, or the drugs
I wonder if it was just these
Non music fark heads who were, you know
Sitting in there house one day and they dicked around on the Macintosh and they go
beep-boop-boop-beep-buh-buhbuh-buh.
Here put that on a white label 12" and send it to the clubs
Wow man, you're brilliant
We'll put you on the cover of NME
You're farking genious man
You're farking genious
Oh wow its jungle trance hip hop farking shiat music
So you make music that shiatty
And everyone sits there and goes, god this sucks
No no, take these drugs

XD

Ishkur: Uchiha_Cycliste: Delta Heavy, get by

Here is the problem with dubstep (or, what we're really referring to here is brostep): It's not an actual music genre.

It is a music technique, an audio aesthetic more concerned with texture, timbre, resonance and blistering midrange frequencies than actual harmony, melody and rhythm, but it has no native essence by itself. For this reason, it is inherently parasitical. It can only survive by corrupting existing music. Much like a virus, which cannot survive on its own and must propagate by taking over living cells and rewriting their DNA to produce more viruses, dubstep is a fiercely aggressive sound assault that can only exist by invading existing songs (in this case, Alexia - Number One, a eurodance hit from 1994) and implanting itself as the song's hook (or in dubstep terminology "the drop"), which comes out sounding like the audio equivalent of a cancerous growth. It doesn't improve the song and in most cases usually kills it.

That's what dubstep really is: It is a literal tumor festering on the living organs of electronic music.

Dubstep cannot create. It can only corrupt. I used to think speed garage was the worst music ever. But it was still only harmless and stupid. Dubstep is different. It is violent, misogynistic, and beloved by Ketamine addicts. It is, in all seriousness, the most offensive form of electronic music that's ever been created. And I listen to farking power noise.

The fact that it attracts legions of douchebag fratboy "bros" to festivals and raves also doesn't help things.

Uchiha_Cycliste: If you like electronica at all,

Also: saying this word outs you as a farking poseur.

/but I have you farkied as a trancecracker so I already knew your taste in music was deplorable


No you are just being mean. =( Besides, of all the things I have an affinity for, you remember me by *some* of the music I like? You don't think that trance and happy-hardcore are all I listen to, do you?
 
2013-01-17 02:38:31 AM  
meant "Now you are just being mean"...
 
2013-01-17 04:10:42 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I disagree, and I think the song I linked: Get by, is a good example of the genre


Indeed it is: It is a good example of the outright theft, rape and murder of a classic eurodance track.

Uchiha_Cycliste: How does this make me a poser?


Because it doesn't exist. It was never part of the culture and it did not emerge through the stochastic processes of belonging and cultivation. It's not grassroots, it's astroturf. It came from the top down. From corporate oligarchies. From boardroom execs, suits, marketers and psychologists and cultural engineers who needed a "label" attached to a "fad" so the very values of culture can be ripped away, stolen, slapped with a pricetag and sold back to you by those who never cared much about it in the first place and to whom it was never their right to do so. The transference of social wealth from culture to commodity.

People who use "electronica" are shallow, soulless scenewhores. Tourists. The good news is the fad will pass and you'll move to the next stupid kitsch thing that you'll swallow whole but never gain any genuine sustenance, like a seed passing undigested through the body of a bird.

I hope you understand, and accept, just who and what you are.

Uchiha_Cycliste: I don't know which came first
shiatty rave music, or the drugs


Rollins' rant has been sampled so many times it's now a boast for underculture, not a complaint about it
(you know he was being sarcastic, right?)

Uchiha_Cycliste: I have an appreciation for good electronica


No you don't. You think Tiesto is a good DJ.

That's really funny.

Uchiha_Cycliste: You don't think that trance and happy-hardcore are all I listen to, do you?


I don't care what you listen to, just don't pass off any stupid bullshiat as "good" music.

Uchiha_Cycliste: meant "Now you are just being mean"...


Nah, I do this for shiats in giggles. To be fair, I don't think you're stupid. I just think you're ignorant. I promise that one day that I'm going to help you with that. Very extensively.

Because currently your music palette is akin to dangling a bunch of shiny keys in front of a raccoon.
 
2013-01-17 04:20:16 AM  
You see, everything you said about "electronica" is bullshiat. It's a label that's been given to electronic music since Kraftwerk got the ball rolling for us all back in the 1970s.

And yes, I think Tiesto is a good Dj and a good Artist. I've dug his first album In My Memory for years. He like Oakenfold have a handful of albums where they are not spinning records but where they composed and created the music. I think both those guys have talent and I enjoy listening to their music. "Tiesto's Club life" gives me two new hours of music to listen to every week as I ride to work. It's just the right cadence to keep me moving at around 20 mph at approx 95-100 RPM. It's perfect commuting music because of it's consistency.

Likewise, I've got at least 200 gigs of music on my tower and less than half is electronic. I think you'd be really surprised in the things I listen too and the things I like most; but I guess I don't really care much what you think, which makes this whole paragraph self-defeating, huh? Speaking of which, why do you get so worked up about the music I like?

Anyways, you are wrong about "electronica", and you sound like a pretentious asshole who is trying to sound sophisticated, elitist, and intelligent; and failing.
 
2013-01-17 04:22:23 AM  
.. I should be in bed, but I'm waiting for one of my machines to fail. God damn error injection should be causing a !DC_POK and tonight it's deciding not to, wtf mate? In all likeliness I'll ignore any more responses from you and get back to you tomorrow. Rest assured, I won't ignore you forever; just tonight.

XD
 
2013-01-17 04:55:34 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: You see, everything you said about "electronica" is bullshiat. It's a label that's been given to electronic music since Kraftwerk got the ball rolling for us all back in the 1970s.


No it's not. It first came into common parlance in the late 90s. The person who popularized it the most was Madonna. At the time, it was being used to refer to the "second wave" of electronic music's popularity and referred to every major act that charted from the Chemical Brothers to Daft Punk, Prodigy, Underworld, Tricky, Bjork and Madonna herself (cf her William Orbit-produced Ray of Light).

The term is now deprecated, which means not only are you a poseur, but you're horribly dated too, especially since you just namedropped two DJs that haven't had any interesting press in over ten years. You sound like some kid's old father trying to be all hip to his friends by going "hey groovy guys, that's some far out stuff."

If you want to keep up with your corporate buzzwords so you can be with all the cool kids and their K-addled brostep fistpumping rape music, the proper term now is "EDM", which has its own funny history: It was originally coined on the TranceAddict forums and came into common usage during the tail end of trance's explosive period (around '01-'02), used as a catch-all to describe music that "trance" DJs played that couldn't realistically be called trance anymore and generally referred to progressive (especially Mcprog), vocal trance, house, tech house, and anything else in vogue at the time or that came later (ie: electroclash, electro house and swedish house).

Somehow, it got mainstreamed too, probably because of Joel Zimmerman, a Toronto native who used to hang out on tranceaddict a lot (it's based in Toronto), and he uses it in tweets and interviews and articles n such. It took off from there.

This is the third wave of electronic music's acceptance in the mainstream (the first was the "techno" era (88-96) and of course the "electronica" era (97-05). That is how the music press will probably write about it, but those divisions don't actually exist in the scene.

Oh, and no one in the 70s called anything made by electronic instruments electronica. Certainly not as a catchall term for everything from musique concrete to techno pop, synthpop, industrial, new age, minimalism, ambient and electro. That's a wide expanse of influence and inspiration being made with electronic music that no one would label "electronica" for no particular reason. It wasn't altogether a cohesive thing and wouldn't even be considered as such until at least the 90s.

Kraftwerk did not get the ball rolling. There are precursors.

Uchiha_Cycliste: And yes, I think Tiesto is a good Dj and a good Artist.


heh.

Uchiha_Cycliste: He like Oakenfold...have talent and I


heh.

heh.

Uchiha_Cycliste: I think you'd be really surprised in the things I listen too and the things I like most;


I don't give a shiat what you listen to. Just that you own up that what you listen to is crap. Certified, grade-a, euro disney clownshoe cheese.

Uchiha_Cycliste: you sound like a pretentious asshole


It's a good thing you don't read my site.
 
2013-01-17 04:56:31 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: In all likeliness I'll ignore any more responses from you and get back to you tomorrow.


I don't care.

In fact, I prefer if you just shut the hell up and go away.
 
2013-01-17 07:37:26 AM  
I'm a big fan of Danny Tenaglia.
 
2013-01-17 08:45:33 AM  

Ishkur: Uchiha_Cycliste: In all likeliness I'll ignore any more responses from you and get back to you tomorrow.

I don't care.

In fact, I prefer if you just shut the hell up and go away.


Yay music snobbery, you're the kind of person I hate seeing at music festivals. You sit there and sneer at people that are enjoying themselves. You're so cool, I wish I could be like you, I bet FLAC is too crappy for your ears.
 
2013-01-17 09:23:11 AM  
high rankin -- pimp and gambler
 
2013-01-17 09:38:38 AM  
Hahaha this thread got entertaining. I don't worry about definitions and labels and music history. I just listen to what I like. That includes all kinds of music. Leaving something out would be foolish, because even if you don't like 99% of that kind of music, that one song could really hit home.

So I listen to dubstep. and rap. and country. and rock. and lesbian-folk-indie-retro-swedish-pop-whatever. I spend a lot of time hunting down and finding those hidden jems in any category. And I'd rather spend my time talking to someone with an open mind to new things, than someone who cares more about semantic arguments. Because that's not fun to listen to.

You know what is fun to listen to? Nero's Welcome Reality. It's a fun album. Give it a try.
 
2013-01-17 10:04:14 AM  

Ishkur: Uchiha_Cycliste: Delta Heavy, get by

Here is the problem with dubstep (or, what we're really referring to here is brostep): It's not an actual music genre.

It is a music technique, an audio aesthetic more concerned with texture, timbre, resonance and blistering midrange frequencies than actual harmony, melody and rhythm, but it has no native essence by itself. For this reason, it is inherently parasitical. It can only survive by corrupting existing music. Much like a virus, which cannot survive on its own and must propagate by taking over living cells and rewriting their DNA to produce more viruses, dubstep is a fiercely aggressive sound assault that can only exist by invading existing songs (in this case, Alexia - Number One, a eurodance hit from 1994) and implanting itself as the song's hook (or in dubstep terminology "the drop"), which comes out sounding like the audio equivalent of a cancerous growth. It doesn't improve the song and in most cases usually kills it.

That's what dubstep really is: It is a literal tumor festering on the living organs of electronic music.

Dubstep cannot create. It can only corrupt. I used to think speed garage was the worst music ever. But it was still only harmless and stupid. Dubstep is different. It is violent, misogynistic, and beloved by Ketamine addicts. It is, in all seriousness, the most offensive form of electronic music that's ever been created. And I listen to farking power noise.

The fact that it attracts legions of douchebag fratboy "bros" to festivals and raves also doesn't help things.

Uchiha_Cycliste: If you like electronica at all,

Also: saying this word outs you as a farking poseur.

/but I have you farkied as a trancecracker so I already knew your taste in music was deplorable


there's so much goodness here, i can't decide which part to use as your farky. I think i'll go with "The fact that it attracts legions of douchebag fratboy "bros" to festivals and raves also doesn't help things."

hope it fits.
 
2013-01-17 10:25:09 AM  

Keigh: there's so much goodness here, i can't decide which part to use as your farky. I think i'll go with "The fact that it attracts legions of douchebag fratboy "bros" to festivals and raves also doesn't help things."

hope it fits ...


I went with "Dubstep cannot create. It can only corrupt." Funniest thing I've read this week.
 
2013-01-17 11:03:09 AM  

Arachnophobe: Vertical Video Syndrome


I have no problem with vertical videos.

Think about it. a human sized TV screen turned on it's side can now show a 1:1 ratio female. Hell if you even want to be less porny you can have a dance partner of your choice.

//Sorry no bump and grind.
 
2013-01-17 03:00:59 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: St_Francis_P: Still better than Skrillex.

Not better than Swagneto, though.


Amen to that.

Swagneto, beeotch!


/drop the bass
 
2013-01-17 03:03:06 PM  

thebpem: busy chillin': But the bird never dropped the bass. What's with that?

never drop the bass:

[nynerd.com image 640x583]

That's a carp.


People from Phoenix are called Phonecians.
 
2013-01-17 03:10:52 PM  

Girion47: Yay music snobbery, you're the kind of person I hate seeing at music festivals. You sit there and sneer at people that are enjoying themselves. You're so cool, I wish I could be like you, I bet FLAC is too crappy for your ears.


Wait until the new music guide comes out. Then you'll really have something to hate.
 
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