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2013-01-16 12:33:03 PM

d23: 900RR: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: What's scary is some people in here sound like they would be OK with the King idea.

He's already their king! Stupid people love him. The media already said he is "Sort of a God".

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Plonk. I hope I never read anything you post again.. ever.


Hail to the King, baby!
 
2013-01-16 12:33:35 PM
So, the GOP seems to be posturing their followers towards civil war.

Or am I just being paranoid?
 
2013-01-16 12:33:44 PM

clane: You gitty Liberals should head warning that your Obama is setting a precedent for future presidents. How are you going to like it when a president you don't agree with starts using their powers in the same dictating style. It will happen.


Pffftt! Whatever. Its not bad when their guy does it stupid.
 
2013-01-16 12:34:13 PM

meat0918: So, the GOP seems to be posturing their followers towards civil war.

Or am I just being paranoid?


No, you're just a bit off with the terminology.
 
2013-01-16 12:34:54 PM

Infernalist: Wangiss: DeathCipris: Wangiss: DamnYankees: Corvus: Your aware that the monarchy of uk gets to decide if someone can be PM or not and can veto any law?

They haven't done that in literally over 300 years. If they did so now no one would obey it.

I actually like the monarch system the way it is now. It's like having a legitimate fallback government. I figure if Parliament ever goes full derp, the English (if not all the British) will probably be all, "Alright, you guys are fired. Really, we're actually going to hang you all, right now in this very building. Thanks for getting together in one place. King Charles, you're the interim ruler, but we're not putting up with you for more than two years while we figure this out. We're keeping this rope hanging right here from the speaker system, so watch it."

That actually doesn't sound that bad...nice fall back system. If our government goes full retard (which I hear you are never supposed to do) then we are sorta effed. It is a mixture of parliamentary government and constitutional monarchy.

We would break into nations, I think. There are a few really interesting sociological break-outs I've seen--one for nine nations, one for four that I can't find.

The way American ideologies break by geography is too darn convenient to pass up. Let the Cowboys have their Castle Doctrine and the Nor'easters have their Plutocrat Liberalism; I don't care. There would be some mass migration while the Massachusetts Catholics absconded to warmer, more religious climes, trading places with poor welfare-staters looking for equality up North. Montana and Wyoming wouldn't change a bit. No more need for Blue or Red states, just nation states with a more cohesive and stable ideology. Then we could have a peaceful relationship like the European Union has (sometimes barely) managed for 60 years. I think it would be great to have a federation of nation states instead of the One Ideological Nation that was taken over by powers I don't ca ...


Yikes! The North better make provisions for a well-regulated militia.
 
2013-01-16 12:36:06 PM

NateGrey: clane: You gitty Liberals should head warning that your Obama is setting a precedent for future presidents. How are you going to like it when a president you don't agree with starts using their powers in the same dictating style. It will happen.

George W. Bush issued 161 signing statements affecting over 1,100 provisions of law in 160 Congressional enactments.


I don't believe signing statements are the same as executive orders. For an explanation of GWB's 291 executive orders see Link
 
2013-01-16 12:37:20 PM

zipdog: and lack of representation in parliament is not mentioned once.


Come again?

"He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only."
 
2013-01-16 12:37:26 PM

meat0918: So, the GOP seems to be posturing their followers towards civil war.

Or am I just being paranoid?


I think it's more like the GOP is chasing a certain voting bloc who are, theoretically, civil war "enthusiasts."

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2013-01-16 12:37:32 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: What's scary is some people in here sound like they would be OK with the King idea.

Anyway, here is the list of executive orders Obama is tossing out there.

All in all, not too much to get worked up over.


1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.


2 scares the the shiat out of me, honestly. All that will do is further stigmatize mental health issues, and cause people to NOT seek treatment.

none of this addresses any of the underlying issues which cause violent crime in this country.
 
2013-01-16 12:39:16 PM
I'm against knee jerk hyperbole. I think that's what we have the Internet for.
 
2013-01-16 12:39:17 PM
The fact that we're talking about this even in a satirical is at least a little eye brow raising

I mean this is probably how it starts:

Ha ole Obama is at it with the executive orders again.

Then

Kind of scary how much he can accomplish with executive order

Then

Oh shiat he just executive ordered the elimination of term limits and congress. Hail King Obama

/I say this tounge in cheek but historically hasn't it kind of happened like this?
 
2013-01-16 12:39:18 PM

milowent: Its pretty obvious why people like Glenn Beck have a good business model in stirring up the populace with fake threats. They have willing sheeple who will buy into it. Didn't realize any of them commented at Fark, though I'll have to ask Imam Barack tonight about repealing the 1st amendment by executive order to stop that shiat.


Your not a sheeple though! Your an independant thinker arent you? Whos an independent thinker? You are! Thats right!

Make sure you wait to reply, dont want to say anything the rest of fark doesnt agree with. You free thinker you.
 
2013-01-16 12:39:26 PM

SuperT: 2 scares the the shiat out of me, honestly. All that will do is further stigmatize mental health issues, and cause people to NOT seek treatment.


Because if they are paranoid schizophrenic they won't be able to get a gun?
 
2013-01-16 12:39:41 PM

clane: You gitty Liberals should head warning that your Obama is setting a precedent for future presidents. How are you going to like it when a president you don't agree with starts using their powers in the same dictating style. It will happen.


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2013-01-16 12:40:07 PM

GrizzlyPouch: The fact that we're talking about this even in a satirical is at least a little eye brow raising

I mean this is probably how it starts:

Ha ole Obama is at it with the executive orders again.

Then

Kind of scary how much he can accomplish with executive order

Then

Oh shiat he just executive ordered the elimination of term limits and congress. Hail King Obama

/I say this tounge in cheek but historically hasn't it kind of happened like this?


No. What you're doing is called the "slippery slope" argument, and it's a logical fallacy.
 
2013-01-16 12:40:15 PM

Civil war? Nah. More like class war. It's the only way they're gonna get the loot out of town with an excuse like "America no longer has a safe business climate." Less conspiracy, more business plan. Essentially...

t1.gstatic.com

"Life, which you so nobly serve, comes from destruction, disorder and chaos.
Now take this empty glass. Here it is: peaceful, serene, boring. But if it is destroyed "
 
2013-01-16 12:40:45 PM
I know this is Fark, and the threads are supposed to full of snark, but it's truly frightening that most of you here are able to vote.
 
2013-01-16 12:40:46 PM

Phinn: I'll listen to Obama when he agrees to close the Fast & Furious loophole.


Is that the one that allows Vin Diesel to just make a cameo, but still be listed in the film credits?
 
2013-01-16 12:41:07 PM

GibbyTheMole: Besides... as any idjit can tell you, we need machine guns to hunt squirrels and rabbits. Bigger game like deer, require RPGs.



It's comin' right for us!


You are a moron. Enjoy your cartoons!
 
2013-01-16 12:41:37 PM

DamnYankees: Then he's an idiot. That's NOT why we fought the American Revolution. Like, at all.

We didn't fight because we had a monarch. We fought because we didn't have representation in Parliament.


We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal except for the King.
 
2013-01-16 12:42:19 PM

bunner: Civil war? Nah. More like class war. It's the only way they're gonna get the loot out of town with an excuse like "America no longer has a safe business climate." Less conspiracy, more business plan. Essentially...

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"Life, which you so nobly serve, comes from destruction, disorder and chaos.
Now take this empty glass. Here it is: peaceful, serene, boring. But if it is destroyed "


That's the debt ceiling fiasco, not the gun issues.
 
2013-01-16 12:42:27 PM
Stupid piece of shiat never heard of an executive order?

"George W. Bush (R) (2001-2009) had a total of 291 Executive Orders throughout his 8 years in office. President George W. Bush started with EO 13198 and ended with EO 13488. "

I'm sure Paul was perfectly fine with each and every one of these.

Dumbass.
 
2013-01-16 12:42:40 PM

someonelse: BMFPitt: someonelse: You're the one who is sure the as-yet-nonexistent executive orders will be unconstitutional. Just because.

Really? That's an interesting delusion.

Did you not refer to President Obama making an "unconstitutional power grab"? You based this assessment on ...


Biden talking out his ass about using an executive order which would either have to be unconstitutional or wildly disappointing to those who want increased restrictions on guns and/or clips.
 
2013-01-16 12:43:47 PM

Sobrrr: I know this is Fark, and the threads are supposed to full of snark, but it's truly frightening that most of you here are able to vote.


Well look at it this way, it's also full of people who only log on to pronounce other users to be complete twats and then fade off into their cocoon of allegedly unimpeachable superiority. So there's that.
 
2013-01-16 12:44:02 PM

Albert911emt: As others have said, republicans grasp of history is pretty flimsy at best. Plus, anything Rand Paul says is almost definately going to be pure stupid.


No. POLITICIAN'S, regardless of party affiliation, "grasp of history" is pretty flimsy at best when they are trying to sell their bill of goods to the people.
 
2013-01-16 12:44:08 PM

HAHAHAHA, OBAMA WON THE ELECTION, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHA, AND THERE'S NOTHING YOU NEOCONS CAN DO ABOUT IT , HAHAHAHAHA
FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!
LOLOLOLOL ROFLMAO HAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-01-16 12:44:28 PM

DeathCipris: Wangiss: DeathCipris: Wangiss: DamnYankees: Corvus: Your aware that the monarchy of uk gets to decide if someone can be PM or not and can veto any law?

They haven't done that in literally over 300 years. If they did so now no one would obey it.

I actually like the monarch system the way it is now. It's like having a legitimate fallback government. I figure if Parliament ever goes full derp, the English (if not all the British) will probably be all, "Alright, you guys are fired. Really, we're actually going to hang you all, right now in this very building. Thanks for getting together in one place. King Charles, you're the interim ruler, but we're not putting up with you for more than two years while we figure this out. We're keeping this rope hanging right here from the speaker system, so watch it."

That actually doesn't sound that bad...nice fall back system. If our government goes full retard (which I hear you are never supposed to do) then we are sorta effed. It is a mixture of parliamentary government and constitutional monarchy.

We would break into nations, I think. There are a few really interesting sociological break-outs I've seen--one for nine nations, one for four that I can't find.

The way American ideologies break by geography is too darn convenient to pass up. Let the Cowboys have their Castle Doctrine and the Nor'easters have their Plutocrat Liberalism; I don't care. There would be some mass migration while the Massachusetts Catholics absconded to warmer, more religious climes, trading places with poor welfare-staters looking for equality up North. Montana and Wyoming wouldn't change a bit. No more need for Blue or Red states, just nation states with a more cohesive and stable ideology. Then we could have a peaceful relationship like the European Union has (sometimes barely) managed for 60 years. I think it would be great to have a federation of nation states instead of the One Ideological Nation that was taken over by powers I don't ca ...


I guess if you're the type that doesn't just say "let's leave everything where it is" you might have some heavy opposition from the now-conveniently-anti-imperialist European powers that run everything. The UN would definitely have a problem with you moving things around once these regions achieved recognized statehood.
 
2013-01-16 12:44:38 PM

seadoo2006: Gun rights? Again, he hasn't signed or made ONE gun law since being elected 4 years ago. An Executive Order would be his first weigh-in on the issue.


Not entirely true.

The Credit CARD Act of 2009 had an amendment that expanded gun rights.
" Tom Coburn (R-Okla) added an unrelated rider to the bill to prevent the Secretary of the Interior from enforcing any regulation that would prohibit an individual from possessing a firearm in any unit of the National Park System or the National Wildlife Refuge System." Link
 
2013-01-16 12:44:54 PM

reign424: Not like Obama passed the ..."Patriot" Act


Yes he did.
 
2013-01-16 12:45:38 PM

meat0918: bunner: Civil war? Nah. More like class war. It's the only way they're gonna get the loot out of town with an excuse like "America no longer has a safe business climate." Less conspiracy, more business plan. Essentially...

[t1.gstatic.com image 344x147]

"Life, which you so nobly serve, comes from destruction, disorder and chaos.
Now take this empty glass. Here it is: peaceful, serene, boring. But if it is destroyed "

That's the debt ceiling fiasco, not the gun issues.


Perhaps, but when the other shoe finally drops, wouldn't it be nice to have a massively armed populace all trained to blame each other for the *thunk* sound it makes when it hits the floor? Logistics, man.
 
2013-01-16 12:45:43 PM
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!
 
2013-01-16 12:47:02 PM

clane: You gitty Liberals should head


I'll give you 8/10 for all the responses you got. Maybe another 0.5 for capitalizing liberals.
 
2013-01-16 12:47:10 PM

seadoo2006: shortymac: God this is ridiculous. This reminded me of a derptasic FB posting by someone I went to High School with when Obama was elected:

"I will NOT call him president. HE IS NOT MY PRESIDENT. He wasn't my president before this election, he will not be my president this election and he will not be my ex-president. He will not be my king, my ruler.....NOTHING!!!"

Another posting summarized:
"But, in the mean time...on a very good note and a very happy note....HE CAN NOT BE ELECTED FOR A THIRD TERM!!!!! We can overcome the obstacles in the way, because we have a greater power on our side and it is not "the ruler obama", it is God!!!! So, lets all pray, have faith and look forward to no more Obama in four years. KARMA IS A biatch! :) #TeamRomney2016"

Granted I was a kid when Clinton was elected, but I don't remember all these "monarchy" rhetoric while he was in office. For both him and Bush it was more "dumb redneck" heckling.

Is this hidden racism or more the internet and FB has given every angry idiot a soapbox? Thoughts?

That's the only logical conclusion I can come up with based on the fact that, objectively, Obama is a left-leaning, pro-business, centrist, who up until about a month ago, couldn't give two shiats about guns. The man is half-black and that just pisses people off with righteous indignation.


Oh Baloney.

Barack Obama was elected in part because he said he would follow the rule of law. He has gone after more whistle blowers than every president combined. He has assassinated american citizens without due process of law. He has refused to allow the public to even read the secret interpretations of the patriot act that his admin is working under. He has steadfastly continued to argue Bush administration court arguments of executive secrecy shielding torturers and other law breakers from any accountability.

To say the only reason that anyone has an issue with him is because he is black is just stupid. I voted for the guy the first time because he expressly said he was going to claw this stuff back. He has legitimized all the Bush era abuses and moved the goal posts far beyond anything they ever would of dreamed about.
 
2013-01-16 12:47:18 PM
I really miss chupacabras. Has anyone seen one lately?
 
2013-01-16 12:48:03 PM

Petit_Merdeux: clane: You gitty Liberals should head

I'll give you 8/10 for all the responses you got. Maybe another 0.5 for capitalizing liberals.


I'll give him a 2/10 overall for not typing "libtard".
 
2013-01-16 12:48:37 PM

CheekyMonkey:

In reality, the queen could, in fact, stop waving, flip you off, and sic her Corgis on you. Beyond that, not much.


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-16 12:49:29 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I predict nothing will come of this. Gun nutters are going to do what they always do - talk big shiat, eat dinner at Denny's, have unsatisfying sex with their wife, fart, fall asleep, then do it all over again tomorrow.


Nice cliche! Youll be talking about how much smarter you are than everyone you know all day, bring home some panera, have sex with your babies momma while she wishes you were a real man, lose some of what you collected at "work" in the form of anal seepage, then do it all again tomorrow?
 
2013-01-16 12:49:36 PM

jmr61: Stupid piece of shiat never heard of an executive order?

"George W. Bush (R) (2001-2009) had a total of 291 Executive Orders throughout his 8 years in office. President George W. Bush started with EO 13198 and ended with EO 13488. "

I'm sure Paul was perfectly fine with each and every one of these.

Dumbass.


Dubya may have been a mentally challenged war criminal who doomed the nation's economy for decades after his unearned presidency ("may have been..." HA! I'm such a kidder!), but at least he wasn't so -- you know -- "socialist."
 
2013-01-16 12:50:23 PM
"King" is the buzzword being circulated lately. This is very clearly designed to stir up the revolutionary argle bargle.

These people are insane.
 
2013-01-16 12:50:31 PM

boobsrgood: I really miss chupacabras. Has anyone seen one lately?


I saw Richard Greer with one on a leash.
He's moving on up.
 
2013-01-16 12:51:07 PM

ALC59: Obama is the biggest piece of shiat this country has ever seen
Biden has his nose so far up Obamas ass that hes starting to smell like him
now he's on tv with children on stage with him, what an ass, and a coward, where are his children, oh that's right, their in school with armed guards protecting them, your kids don't deserve that kind of protection, their not worthy
how many semiautomatic guns are around him with more than 7 rounds, yet again he's worthy, you're not



Well, bye.
 
2013-01-16 12:51:13 PM

BMFPitt: No, he seems to make no mention of imperialism in TFA, unfortunately.

Nice that he is speaking out on a unconstitutional power grab, but he seems to have no problem with empire building.


Are you talking about Rand Paul here? Rand has his faults, but this is not one of them.
 
2013-01-16 12:52:49 PM

lordjupiter: "King" is the buzzword being circulated lately. This is very clearly designed to stir up the revolutionary argle bargle.

These people are insane.


It's amazing how people never seem to recognize that these sorts of things are coordinated by a handful of people at the top. The synchronized releases and talks and speeches all referring to 'king' and 'monarchy'...Do they all think that these disparate and different groups and peoples all came up with the same idea on the same day?
 
2013-01-16 12:53:18 PM

jigger: reign424: Not like Obama passed the ..."Patriot" Act

Yes he did.


and had he not, all the "conservatives" would be wailing about how he has weakened our most effective tools against terrorism.
 
2013-01-16 12:53:21 PM
Calling him "rex" and waiting for the fallout eh? Bold strategy. Now what could we look back to in history to compare. Something about ancient Rome, hmm...
 
2013-01-16 12:53:26 PM
The trolling tags getting greenlit are getting really old. Cut that shiat out already. Between that and the crap sponsored articles, this place is getting worse and worse.
 
2013-01-16 12:54:01 PM

I Am The Bishop Of East Anglia: Can't believe a guy that dumb about the real world made it through med school.


want to hear a secret?
you don;t need to be a genuis to be a doctor. All you need is copius amount of memorization and cram session. Of course the amount of family connections and family wealth do supplement lack of natural smarts and abilities

engineers are by far much smarter (IQ wise) than doctors.

There is a saying where I work.

What do you call the dumbass who graduated the last of his class in medical school after his 3rd try?

.
.
.
.
.
Doctor
 
2013-01-16 12:55:01 PM

Mutiny32: The trolling tags getting greenlit are getting really old. Cut that shiat out already. Between that and the crap sponsored articles, this place is getting worse and worse.


If you're looking for honest debate, you're better off looking elsewhere other than Fark.

I treat this place as it deserves to be treated: A place to amuse myself by mocking retarded conservatives and watching the trolls stink up the joint.
 
2013-01-16 12:56:38 PM

Infernalist: I treat this place as it deserves to be treated: A place to amuse myself by mocking retarded conservatives and watching the trolls stink up the joint.


The ghetto is how you live, not where you live.
 
2013-01-16 12:56:49 PM

DamnYankees: Then he's an idiot. That's NOT why we fought the American Revolution. Like, at all.

We didn't fight because we had a monarch. We fought because we didn't have representation in Parliament.


His Majesty, George the Third, by the Grace of God, King of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, and so forth says that the American colonies, by virtue of being British territories did in fact have legitimate claim to be king in a large portion of North America.

Further, lack of representation in Parliament was only one of the many grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence.

Obama is no George III. However, he is one arrogant son of a biatch.
 
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