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2013-01-16 12:06:54 PM  

cryinoutloud: ImpendingCynic: Timmy the Tumor: So, you guys are ok with Obama skipping around Congress on the second-most inflammatory issue (second to abortion) in politics by issuing an executive order?
Were you OK with Reagan and GW Bush skipping around Congress on the most imflammatory issue (abortion) by issuing the Global Gag Rule?

Administration of George Bush (1989-1993)
166 Total Executive Orders Issued

Administration of Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)
381 Total Executive Orders Issued

Administration of George W. Bush (2001-2009)
291 Total Executive orders Issued

Administration of Barack Obama (2009-Present)
144 Total Executive orders Issued

Looks like Obama is about average for the number of executive orders issued. But he is blah, and it's about guns, so.......holy shiat. The race wars are really starting. gun nuts, start your engines. You're finally going to get to shoot someone.


Just for completeness

Administration of Bill Clinton (1993-2001)
364 Total Executive orders Issued
 
2013-01-16 12:07:28 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Timmy the Tumor: So, you guys are ok with Obama skipping around Congress on the second-most inflammatory issue (second to abortion) in politics by issuing an executive order?

I guess if a Republican is in office next, he could skip around Congress and the Supreme Court, and make abortions illegal.
That would be ok, right?

Right?

Even though the revolution was over taxation, the founding fathers obviously had no love for the monarchy. Otherwise, we would have kings, and not an elected president and congress.


They tried to make Washington into a King. Several times. He refused each time and set an example for the men who followed him.

Look it up.
 
2013-01-16 12:07:29 PM  
This king/monarch thing must be the new derptastic talking point being handed down by the Koch brothers, because he's not the only one who's spewed this idiocy today.
 
2013-01-16 12:08:28 PM  
And lets not forget that Washington was basically asked to be "king", and refused. And by king I basically mean president for life.
 
2013-01-16 12:09:09 PM  

ALC59: Obama is the biggest piece of shiat this country has ever seen
Biden has his nose so far up Obamas ass that hes starting to smell like him
now he's on tv with children on stage with him, what an ass, and a coward, where are his children, oh that's right, their in school with armed guards protecting them, your kids don't deserve that kind of protection, their not worthy
how many semiautomatic guns are around him with more than 7 rounds, yet again he's worthy, you're not


When you hold the codes for the largest nuclear arsenal in the history of the world, then you and your kids can have Secret Service protection, too.
 
2013-01-16 12:09:32 PM  

Magorn: WhoopAssWayne: Barack Obama is not a king - he's just a run of the mill fascist. Just look at the reports of him using some kind of mythical 'executive powers' to strip our gun rights and bypass congress and any type of vote. He fears a vote, he fears democracy. Typical scumbag fascist.

let me 'xplain something to you.  Using an executive order to enact a policy that the LAWS allow a president to enact is not creeping facism.   Facism is things like suspending Habeous Corpus for a US citizen arrested on Us Soial and then telling the courts that you have determined they have no legal right to review your actions.  Fascism is signing a law and then attaching a signing statement saying you are going to interpret the law as requiring you to do the exact opposite of what the text of the law says.   Fascism is endorsing a legal memorandum that concludes there are NO limits to executive power in wartime, and only the executive gets to determine when wartime is. Fascism is creating the "unitary executive" theory which says the president or any memeber of his executive branch can break the law and not be prosecuted because the Justice Dept is also an executive agency and since the executive is legally a single entity, a person can;t prosecute themselves


When did Obama do all those things? Wow, he really is a jack-booted Fascist isn't he? Quick, grab your guns and meet me at the compound!

\oh, wait - that was that brush-clearing guy, wasn't it?
\\nevermind, those things were all fine
 
2013-01-16 12:09:36 PM  

ALC59: Obama is the biggest piece of shiat this country has ever seen
Biden has his nose so far up Obamas ass that hes starting to smell like him
now he's on tv with children on stage with him, what an ass, and a coward, where are his children, oh that's right, their in school with armed guards protecting them, your kids don't deserve that kind of protection, their not worthy
how many semiautomatic guns are around him with more than 7 rounds, yet again he's worthy, you're not


ALC59 are your kids under threat from people who hate you, and your country on a daily basis?
 
2013-01-16 12:09:36 PM  
Every so often, some fringe neocon GOPer runs into the room, cuts a huge fart and says "Whaddaya think about THAT!?" and it's always the same thing we thought the last time. PU. Light a match, jerk.
 
2013-01-16 12:09:36 PM  
I don't have a problem in general with the use of Executive Orders, I'm just a little uncomfortable with this one (if it happens).  I'd much prefer the issue be analyzed and fully debated in Congress, than have one side say "don't you take away our guns, you fascists" and the other say "well, our party says we should hate guns, and those kids got shot, so we need to do something now!"

Example...the stats being thrown around about "there were more assault weapons and high capacity magazines seized by law enforcement in the years after the ban than there were during the ban."

Well, duh.  There were a lot more "assault weapons" and high-cap magazines MADE after the ban because why they hell would companies make them if they couldn;t make a profit selling them.

Well, that and I doubt that any plan developed by Joe Biden in a month is going to be fully representative of what America as a whole wants and needs.  Just like I would if Rand Paul developed a plan in a month.
 
2013-01-16 12:10:13 PM  
List of Things Republicans Don't Understand (LTRDU for short)

(Compiled by Sock Ruh Tease) Link

Taxes
Democrats
Independents
Race relations
Spanish
Social welfare
Christianity
Pretty much every religion
The US Constitution
Warfare
Fighting terrorism
Human reproductive system
Biology
Women's rights
Laffer curve
Fiat money
Buoyancy
Vegetables
Physics
Photoshop
Birth certificates
Birf certifcts
English
Tea bags
Tricornes
The poor
Lots of dogs
Newspapers
Bolt-action rifles
Feral pigs
New Yorkers
People from New Jersey
The weather
Climate change
Environmental regulations
Chemistry
Descent
Best Parts
Patriotic
Yellow Ribbons
Magnets
Patriotism
Movies
Books
Words
Excessively long lists
Teleprompters
Chairs
Giant steel slabs
Fark
American History
 
2013-01-16 12:10:36 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: How Teapublicans view him:


King Booker is awesome. Sharmel is hawt. How is that a bad thing?
 
2013-01-16 12:11:38 PM  

Infernalist: They tried to make Washington into a King. Several times. He refused each time and set an examp


It was not "King" it was president for life. He would not have the same powers as a monarch.
 
2013-01-16 12:12:55 PM  
piperTom: "Executive action to curtail human right is a travesty (as would legislative action, too)."

You may not be aware, but Congress writes laws and the President (Chief Executive) oversees their implementation. That's the prescribed separation of powers as enshrined in the Constitution.
Taking executive action within the bounds defined by those laws *is his farking job*. If he can curtail a human right with (constitutional) executive action, it's only because the laws as written allow or demand it. (See: Patriot Act / 2011 NDAA / 2012 NDAA / etc) Simply deciding to more strictly enforce aspects of existing laws is not, de facto, unconstitutional.

So, as usual, you can take your fears about the President being a tyrant back to the talking point factories you got them from and demand those *legislators* do *their* damn job, if you don't like the power *they have given* to the President.

/ same goes for those who were only upset at GWB over the aforementioned legislative tragedies
// and are curiously silent about that shiat now that Obama is in charge
 
2013-01-16 12:12:57 PM  

Corvus: DeathCipris: DamnYankees: DeathCipris: Oh right, dictatorship (monarch if they consider themselves regal).

I'm sure the Brits would appreciative to know they are living under a dictatorship. You should let them know.

They have a Parliamentary government...and a prime minister. The royal family are more or less figureheads. Try again.

The have a monarchy that allows the parliament to run things. Try again.


Lol! [ohwaityoureserious.jpg]

/magna carta, study it up
 
2013-01-16 12:13:30 PM  

Snarfangel: JerkStore: doubled99: DamnYankees [TotalFark]

Then he's an idiot. That's NOT why we fought the American Revolution. Like, at all.

We didn't fight because we had a monarch. We fought because we didn't have representation in Parliament.

No, stupid, we fought it over slavery

No, moran, we fought it to prevent the spread of Communism into southeast Asia.

Ah, yes, the Jenga theory, where if you pull out one little block the entire capitalist society collapses.

Or was the the Lincoln Log theory, were you have a very drafty house if you lost one piece? Anyway, I know a game was involved. Checkers? Something like that, anyway.


No, stupid, it was the Mouse Trap theory in which a needlessly complicated, nominally interesting game becomes an entirely useless piece of junk upon losing one piece.
 
2013-01-16 12:13:31 PM  

ALC59: Obama is the biggest piece of shiat this country has ever seen
Biden has his nose so far up Obamas ass that hes starting to smell like him
now he's on tv with children on stage with him, what an ass, and a coward, where are his children, oh that's right, their in school with armed guards protecting them, your kids don't deserve that kind of protection, their not worthy
how many semiautomatic guns are around him with more than 7 rounds, yet again he's worthy, you're not


so hire private security contractors as bodygaurds for your children, if you think they are under the same kind of threat as the presidents children.
 
2013-01-16 12:13:36 PM  

BMFPitt: someonelse: BMFPitt: But his VP has openly discussed bypassing the legislature to create a de facto new law.

No, he hasn't. And you need to go back to your teachers and ask, no, demand, that they do a better job explaining what executive orders are.

I know what they are supposed to be. And it is overwhelmingly likely that they will think better of it and back off.

But if you think that, for example, Executive Order 13440 was not an unconstitutional act, nor a de facto new law, then I would love to hear your reasoning.


So, because previous executive orders were unconstitutional, any new one by President Obama will be, too?

By the way, I love the CYA move of saying that if the administration doesn't act through executive order, it's because they thought better of it.
 
2013-01-16 12:13:53 PM  

Corvus: DamnYankees: Corvus: Legally is all that matters.

Really. Really?

If Queen Elizabeth went on TV and ordered the British military to invade the United States, do you think ANYONE would obey her? The answer is no. Her power to to this stuff is 0. I don't know what else "matters" could possibly mean.

The queen power is zero?

Do you want to double down on that? Actually if the queen did that there would actually be a good amount of people in England supporting her (not saying a majority) and there would probably be a crisis. Not nothing would happen like you pretend.


In reality, the queen could, in fact, stop waving, flip you off, and sic her Corgis on you. Beyond that, not much.
 
2013-01-16 12:15:13 PM  

BMFPitt: someonelse: BMFPitt: I am curious as to what you imagine I think inaccurately about the Constitution.

You apparently think all executive orders are illegal.

Is that a half-hearted strawman, or do you not understand the difference between a specific case and a blanket statement?


You're the one who is sure the as-yet-nonexistent executive orders will be unconstitutional. Just because.
 
2013-01-16 12:15:57 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: ImpendingCynic: Timmy the Tumor: So, you guys are ok with Obama skipping around Congress on the second-most inflammatory issue (second to abortion) in politics by issuing an executive order?

Were you OK with Reagan and GW Bush skipping around Congress on the most imflammatory issue (abortion) by issuing the Global Gag Rule?

I was 11 years old, was more concerned with watching cartoons than whatever the global gag rule is.


DO keep in mind that saying "well, because someone did ________ 30 years ago, it's ok for this guy to do something similar now" is a pretty weak stance


About the only thing weaker is "it's ok when this guy does it because he's on my side, but not when you're guy does it."
 
2013-01-16 12:16:28 PM  
What's scary is some people in here sound like they would be OK with the King idea.

Anyway, here is the list of executive orders Obama is tossing out there.

All in all, not too much to get worked up over.


1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
 
2013-01-16 12:17:09 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: I don't have a problem in general with the use of Executive Orders, I'm just a little uncomfortable with this one (if it happens).


Maybe we could, I dunno, wait and find out what it is first. Nah, that's crazy talk.
 
2013-01-16 12:18:18 PM  

Thunderpipes: Hard t believe this is the same Fark that was exploding in rage, because Bush wanted to flag people checking out bomb making books in a library. You back 100% monarch rule udner Obama, bypassing Congress completely, calling people names for disagreeing with abuse of power.

Nuts.


this is beyond retarded
 
2013-01-16 12:20:32 PM  

StokeyBob: Amos Quito: jylcat: TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!

But ok, thanks for playing Rand Paul.


[daviding.com image 475x281]


We've come a long way, baby.

We may have made it for a time but when people inside and outside of the country can counterfeit what ever amount they want to get their way you have TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.

When they counterfeit the money supply they don't add anything to our pile of stuff they just shift the property lines.



The Fed is doing exactly what it was designed to do.

By its owners.
 
2013-01-16 12:20:32 PM  
The part that people seem to forget is that the Executive Branch is set up with certain checks and balances on the Congressional and Judicial Branches.
 
2013-01-16 12:21:13 PM  
SlothB77, thank you. You're batshiat crazy, but thank you.
 
2013-01-16 12:21:18 PM  

cleek: Thunderpipes: Hard t believe this is the same Fark that was exploding in rage, because Bush wanted to flag people checking out bomb making books in a library. You back 100% monarch rule udner Obama, bypassing Congress completely, calling people names for disagreeing with abuse of power.

Nuts.

this is beyond retarded


No, that's thunderpipes. He actually believes he is the internet version or Rush Limbaugh. Seriously. I put him on ignore years ago.
 
2013-01-16 12:21:31 PM  

SlothB77: Drudge is reporting one of the proposals is to require doctors to ask their patients if they have a gun in their home.


Abe Vigoda's Ghost: 16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.


LOL, Drudge
 
2013-01-16 12:22:02 PM  
When you spend 2 years doing jack shiat and then give every indication that 'jack shiat' is going to be the running theme for the next 2 years, then yes, people are going to approve of a President who actually tries to accomplish something.
 
2013-01-16 12:23:01 PM  

Amos Quito: The Fed is doing exactly what it was designed to do.

By its owners.


Shh. If people start noticing that this country is being bought out from under them with a load of bad IOUs shot out of a confetti cannon, they might get all obstreperous.
 
2013-01-16 12:24:02 PM  

DamnYankees: Then he's an idiot. That's NOT why we fought the American Revolution. Like, at all.

We didn't fight because we had a monarch. We fought because we didn't have representation in Parliament.


Funny, considering the king is addressed in the Declaration of Independence and lack of representation in parliament is not mentioned once. But enough about historical documents.
 
2013-01-16 12:24:09 PM  

someonelse: So, because previous executive orders were unconstitutional, any new one by President Obama will be, too?


That is what you actually believe.

By the way, I love the CYA move of saying that if the administration doesn't act through executive order, it's because they thought better of it.

Ummm, OK.

someonelse: You're the one who is sure the as-yet-nonexistent executive orders will be unconstitutional. Just because.


Really? That's an interesting delusion.
 
2013-01-16 12:24:33 PM  

Corvus: Deep Contact: Corvus: Deep Contact: They've been acting like kings since JFK.

Have you heard of the emancipation proclamation?

That's different from executive power today.

You mean it wasn't a executive order by the president. It wasn't a directive by the president given to an organization under him? Please tell us how it wasn't.


It was just his martial power to suspend civil law in the states which were in rebellion. It didn't affect the states that were not in rebellion.
 
2013-01-16 12:24:43 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: [lazytraders.com image 327x254]


Aunt Sally?

/obscure?
 
2013-01-16 12:25:47 PM  
Imagine where America would be today if slavery was enshrined in the Constitution...
 
2013-01-16 12:26:05 PM  

SlothB77: Drudge is reporting one of the proposals is to require doctors to ask their patients if they have a gun in their home.

... And here people thought Obamacare was about health care.


What I worry is that this is that the party in control could use government control over doctors and access to health care to force their politics on people.  In the above example, the government denies health care to gun owners.  Why would the government be pressing doctors to find out if their patients own a gun or not?  How is that at all relevant to caring for them outside of treating an actual gunshot wound?


While it'd be stupid to make every doctor ask that question by default, I don't see how it's "not at all relevant." Psychiatrists and GPs will get to know their patients on a fairly deep level. What's wrong with them being able to find out whether or not a patient owns a gun if they've noticed what they'd consider a risk of self-harm or harm to others?

/Ignoring the first three words of your post.
 
2013-01-16 12:27:10 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: What's scary is some people in here sound like they would be OK with the King idea.



He's already their king! Stupid people love him. The media already said he is "Sort of a God".

i47.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-16 12:28:29 PM  
Primary causes of the US Revolution ... wasn't it
a) the debts held in London over the colonies (a motivator to rebel)
b) lack of representation in the UK parliament

And didn't the US spend the first 20 years as a lose republic with monarchical tendencies.

I think Jefferson was worried that the President would become a King like role, whereas Adams had no issue with that.

There was nothing to prevent the US from becoming a monarchy, as that wasn't the issue.
 
2013-01-16 12:28:48 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: 23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.


FASHIZM!
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-01-16 12:29:27 PM  

theknuckler_33: clane: You gitty Liberals should head warning that your Obama is setting a precedent for future presidents. How are you going to like it when a president you don't agree with starts using their powers in the same dictating style. It will happen.

What new precedent is he setting? He's FOLLOWING precedent.


Oh my goddess, THIS. It must of been nice to sleep through the GWB presidency.
 
2013-01-16 12:29:29 PM  

BMFPitt: someonelse: You're the one who is sure the as-yet-nonexistent executive orders will be unconstitutional. Just because.

Really? That's an interesting delusion.


Did you not refer to President Obama making an "unconstitutional power grab"? You based this assessment on ...
 
2013-01-16 12:29:58 PM  
The machinery is money, the government is money and governance is jackboots and NOBODY gives a rat's airborne ass about all of that history book sh*t anymore. Not Rand Paul, not the people who throw money at him to talk cross eyed badger spit, not congress and not the poor saps sweating the rent. Nobody. It has become moot, redundant and is starting to show the frayed edges of a fairy tale and nobody who runs this joint WANTS a king, but they sure do need to keep the serfs barking at each other about "z0mG teh K1NG fartbongo!1!" or any other stick they can use to stir the sh*t pail.
 
2013-01-16 12:30:06 PM  
I'll listen to Obama when he agrees to close the Fast & Furious loophole.
 
2013-01-16 12:30:11 PM  
God this is ridiculous. This reminded me of a derptasic FB posting by someone I went to High School with when Obama was elected:

"I will NOT call him president. HE IS NOT MY PRESIDENT. He wasn't my president before this election, he will not be my president this election and he will not be my ex-president. He will not be my king, my ruler.....NOTHING!!!"

Another posting summarized:
"But, in the mean time...on a very good note and a very happy note....HE CAN NOT BE ELECTED FOR A THIRD TERM!!!!! We can overcome the obstacles in the way, because we have a greater power on our side and it is not "the ruler obama", it is God!!!! So, lets all pray, have faith and look forward to no more Obama in four years. KARMA IS A biatch! :) #TeamRomney2016"

Granted I was a kid when Clinton was elected, but I don't remember all these "monarchy" rhetoric while he was in office. For both him and Bush it was more "dumb redneck" heckling.

Is this hidden racism or more the internet and FB has given every angry idiot a soapbox? Thoughts?
 
d23 [BareFark]
2013-01-16 12:30:23 PM  

900RR: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: What's scary is some people in here sound like they would be OK with the King idea.

He's already their king! Stupid people love him. The media already said he is "Sort of a God".

[i47.tinypic.com image 640x676]


favorited!. I hope I never read anything you post again.. ever.
 
2013-01-16 12:31:39 PM  

SlothB77: Drudge is reporting one of the proposals is to require doctors to ask their patients if they have a gun in their home.

... And here people thought Obamacare was about health care.


What I worry is that this is that the party in control could use government control over doctors and access to health care to force their politics on people.  In the above example, the government denies health care to gun owners.  Why would the government be pressing doctors to find out if their patients own a gun or not?  How is that at all relevant to caring for them outside of treating an actual gunshot wound?


Doctors do treat people for things other than physical afflictions. More on this story at 11.

/mental illnesses sucks
 
2013-01-16 12:31:43 PM  

Timmy the Tumor: So, you guys are ok with Obama skipping around Congress on the second-most inflammatory issue (second to abortion) in politics by issuing an executive order?


The Republicans have responded to the Newtown shooting with a "working as intended" approach. All public polling disagrees with them on this, and if Obama's going to side with the people against the Congress...meh. It's not great, but I won't lose any sleep over it.
 
2013-01-16 12:32:20 PM  
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2013-01-16 12:32:44 PM  

shortymac: Is this hidden racism or more the internet and FB has given every angry idiot a soapbox? Thoughts?


Yes.
 
2013-01-16 12:33:02 PM  

shortymac: God this is ridiculous. This reminded me of a derptasic FB posting by someone I went to High School with when Obama was elected:

"I will NOT call him president. HE IS NOT MY PRESIDENT. He wasn't my president before this election, he will not be my president this election and he will not be my ex-president. He will not be my king, my ruler.....NOTHING!!!"

Another posting summarized:
"But, in the mean time...on a very good note and a very happy note....HE CAN NOT BE ELECTED FOR A THIRD TERM!!!!! We can overcome the obstacles in the way, because we have a greater power on our side and it is not "the ruler obama", it is God!!!! So, lets all pray, have faith and look forward to no more Obama in four years. KARMA IS A biatch! :) #TeamRomney2016"

Granted I was a kid when Clinton was elected, but I don't remember all these "monarchy" rhetoric while he was in office. For both him and Bush it was more "dumb redneck" heckling.

Is this hidden racism or more the internet and FB has given every angry idiot a soapbox? Thoughts?


That's the only logical conclusion I can come up with based on the fact that, objectively, Obama is a left-leaning, pro-business, centrist, who up until about a month ago, couldn't give two shiats about guns. The man is half-black and that just pisses people off with righteous indignation.
 
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