cryinoutloud: ImpendingCynic: Timmy the Tumor: So, you guys are ok with Obama skipping around Congress on the second-most inflammatory issue (second to abortion) in politics by issuing an executive order?Were you OK with Reagan and GW Bush skipping around Congress on the most imflammatory issue (abortion) by issuing the Global Gag Rule?Administration of George Bush (1989-1993)166 Total Executive Orders IssuedAdministration of Ronald Reagan (1981-1989)381 Total Executive Orders IssuedAdministration of George W. Bush (2001-2009)291 Total Executive orders IssuedAdministration of Barack Obama (2009-Present)144 Total Executive orders IssuedLooks like Obama is about average for the number of executive orders issued. But he is blah, and it's about guns, so.......holy shiat. The race wars are really starting. gun nuts, start your engines. You're finally going to get to shoot someone.
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Timmy the Tumor: So, you guys are ok with Obama skipping around Congress on the second-most inflammatory issue (second to abortion) in politics by issuing an executive order?I guess if a Republican is in office next, he could skip around Congress and the Supreme Court, and make abortions illegal.That would be ok, right?Right?Even though the revolution was over taxation, the founding fathers obviously had no love for the monarchy. Otherwise, we would have kings, and not an elected president and congress.
ALC59: Obama is the biggest piece of shiat this country has ever seenBiden has his nose so far up Obamas ass that hes starting to smell like himnow he's on tv with children on stage with him, what an ass, and a coward, where are his children, oh that's right, their in school with armed guards protecting them, your kids don't deserve that kind of protection, their not worthyhow many semiautomatic guns are around him with more than 7 rounds, yet again he's worthy, you're not
Magorn: WhoopAssWayne: Barack Obama is not a king - he's just a run of the mill fascist. Just look at the reports of him using some kind of mythical 'executive powers' to strip our gun rights and bypass congress and any type of vote. He fears a vote, he fears democracy. Typical scumbag fascist.let me 'xplain something to you. Using an executive order to enact a policy that the LAWS allow a president to enact is not creeping facism. Facism is things like suspending Habeous Corpus for a US citizen arrested on Us Soial and then telling the courts that you have determined they have no legal right to review your actions. Fascism is signing a law and then attaching a signing statement saying you are going to interpret the law as requiring you to do the exact opposite of what the text of the law says. Fascism is endorsing a legal memorandum that concludes there are NO limits to executive power in wartime, and only the executive gets to determine when wartime is. Fascism is creating the "unitary executive" theory which says the president or any memeber of his executive branch can break the law and not be prosecuted because the Justice Dept is also an executive agency and since the executive is legally a single entity, a person can;t prosecute themselves
Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: How Teapublicans view him:
Infernalist: They tried to make Washington into a King. Several times. He refused each time and set an examp
Corvus: DeathCipris: DamnYankees: DeathCipris: Oh right, dictatorship (monarch if they consider themselves regal).I'm sure the Brits would appreciative to know they are living under a dictatorship. You should let them know.They have a Parliamentary government...and a prime minister. The royal family are more or less figureheads. Try again.The have a monarchy that allows the parliament to run things. Try again.
Snarfangel: JerkStore: doubled99: DamnYankees [TotalFark]Then he's an idiot. That's NOT why we fought the American Revolution. Like, at all.We didn't fight because we had a monarch. We fought because we didn't have representation in Parliament.No, stupid, we fought it over slaveryNo, moran, we fought it to prevent the spread of Communism into southeast Asia.Ah, yes, the Jenga theory, where if you pull out one little block the entire capitalist society collapses.Or was the the Lincoln Log theory, were you have a very drafty house if you lost one piece? Anyway, I know a game was involved. Checkers? Something like that, anyway.
BMFPitt: someonelse: BMFPitt: But his VP has openly discussed bypassing the legislature to create a de facto new law.No, he hasn't. And you need to go back to your teachers and ask, no, demand, that they do a better job explaining what executive orders are.I know what they are supposed to be. And it is overwhelmingly likely that they will think better of it and back off.But if you think that, for example, Executive Order 13440 was not an unconstitutional act, nor a de facto new law, then I would love to hear your reasoning.
Corvus: DamnYankees: Corvus: Legally is all that matters.Really. Really?If Queen Elizabeth went on TV and ordered the British military to invade the United States, do you think ANYONE would obey her? The answer is no. Her power to to this stuff is 0. I don't know what else "matters" could possibly mean.The queen power is zero?Do you want to double down on that? Actually if the queen did that there would actually be a good amount of people in England supporting her (not saying a majority) and there would probably be a crisis. Not nothing would happen like you pretend.
BMFPitt: someonelse: BMFPitt: I am curious as to what you imagine I think inaccurately about the Constitution.You apparently think all executive orders are illegal.Is that a half-hearted strawman, or do you not understand the difference between a specific case and a blanket statement?
Timmy the Tumor: ImpendingCynic: Timmy the Tumor: So, you guys are ok with Obama skipping around Congress on the second-most inflammatory issue (second to abortion) in politics by issuing an executive order?Were you OK with Reagan and GW Bush skipping around Congress on the most imflammatory issue (abortion) by issuing the Global Gag Rule?I was 11 years old, was more concerned with watching cartoons than whatever the global gag rule is.DO keep in mind that saying "well, because someone did ________ 30 years ago, it's ok for this guy to do something similar now" is a pretty weak stance
Timmy the Tumor: I don't have a problem in general with the use of Executive Orders, I'm just a little uncomfortable with this one (if it happens).
Thunderpipes: Hard t believe this is the same Fark that was exploding in rage, because Bush wanted to flag people checking out bomb making books in a library. You back 100% monarch rule udner Obama, bypassing Congress completely, calling people names for disagreeing with abuse of power.Nuts.
StokeyBob: Amos Quito: jylcat: TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!But ok, thanks for playing Rand Paul.[daviding.com image 475x281]We've come a long way, baby.We may have made it for a time but when people inside and outside of the country can counterfeit what ever amount they want to get their way you have TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION.When they counterfeit the money supply they don't add anything to our pile of stuff they just shift the property lines.
cleek: Thunderpipes: Hard t believe this is the same Fark that was exploding in rage, because Bush wanted to flag people checking out bomb making books in a library. You back 100% monarch rule udner Obama, bypassing Congress completely, calling people names for disagreeing with abuse of power.Nuts.this is beyond retarded
SlothB77: Drudge is reporting one of the proposals is to require doctors to ask their patients if they have a gun in their home.
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: 16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
Amos Quito: The Fed is doing exactly what it was designed to do.By its owners.
DamnYankees: Then he's an idiot. That's NOT why we fought the American Revolution. Like, at all.We didn't fight because we had a monarch. We fought because we didn't have representation in Parliament.
someonelse: So, because previous executive orders were unconstitutional, any new one by President Obama will be, too?
someonelse: You're the one who is sure the as-yet-nonexistent executive orders will be unconstitutional. Just because.
Corvus: Deep Contact: Corvus: Deep Contact: They've been acting like kings since JFK.Have you heard of the emancipation proclamation?That's different from executive power today.You mean it wasn't a executive order by the president. It wasn't a directive by the president given to an organization under him? Please tell us how it wasn't.
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SlothB77: Drudge is reporting one of the proposals is to require doctors to ask their patients if they have a gun in their home.... And here people thought Obamacare was about health care.What I worry is that this is that the party in control could use government control over doctors and access to health care to force their politics on people. In the above example, the government denies health care to gun owners. Why would the government be pressing doctors to find out if their patients own a gun or not? How is that at all relevant to caring for them outside of treating an actual gunshot wound?
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: What's scary is some people in here sound like they would be OK with the King idea.
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: 23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.
theknuckler_33: clane: You gitty Liberals should head warning that your Obama is setting a precedent for future presidents. How are you going to like it when a president you don't agree with starts using their powers in the same dictating style. It will happen.What new precedent is he setting? He's FOLLOWING precedent.
BMFPitt: someonelse: You're the one who is sure the as-yet-nonexistent executive orders will be unconstitutional. Just because.Really? That's an interesting delusion.
900RR: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: What's scary is some people in here sound like they would be OK with the King idea.He's already their king! Stupid people love him. The media already said he is "Sort of a God".[i47.tinypic.com image 640x676]
Timmy the Tumor: So, you guys are ok with Obama skipping around Congress on the second-most inflammatory issue (second to abortion) in politics by issuing an executive order?
shortymac: Is this hidden racism or more the internet and FB has given every angry idiot a soapbox? Thoughts?
shortymac: God this is ridiculous. This reminded me of a derptasic FB posting by someone I went to High School with when Obama was elected:"I will NOT call him president. HE IS NOT MY PRESIDENT. He wasn't my president before this election, he will not be my president this election and he will not be my ex-president. He will not be my king, my ruler.....NOTHING!!!"Another posting summarized:"But, in the mean time...on a very good note and a very happy note....HE CAN NOT BE ELECTED FOR A THIRD TERM!!!!! We can overcome the obstacles in the way, because we have a greater power on our side and it is not "the ruler obama", it is God!!!! So, lets all pray, have faith and look forward to no more Obama in four years. KARMA IS A biatch! :) #TeamRomney2016"Granted I was a kid when Clinton was elected, but I don't remember all these "monarchy" rhetoric while he was in office. For both him and Bush it was more "dumb redneck" heckling.Is this hidden racism or more the internet and FB has given every angry idiot a soapbox? Thoughts?
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