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(Townhall)   Today's Republican establishment isn't to the right of Reagan. It is to the left of the man who won one of the largest landslides in history with an unequivocal conservative agenda   (townhall.com) divider line 70
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2013-01-16 08:31:07 AM  
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2013-01-16 08:44:21 AM  
Hitler?
 
2013-01-16 08:46:03 AM  
You can't be against Rush and for Reagan.

One's a talk show host and one was a president - so yes you can be for one and against the other, you blithering dumbshiat.
 
2013-01-16 08:48:16 AM  
Here we go with the fairy tale Reagan stories again.
 
2013-01-16 08:48:33 AM  
Well the last line sums up the current GOP: they will always do the opposite of what Dems do. Left unwritten is that they will do this regardless of facts or reason.
 
2013-01-16 08:49:02 AM  
Big Bird?
 
2013-01-16 08:49:30 AM  
heh....I have to wonder, if it wasn't for Fark, would Brent Bozell get any readers?

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2013-01-16 08:50:19 AM  
Praise white Jesus and praise Ronald Reagan.

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2013-01-16 08:50:35 AM  

Zoophagous: Well the last line sums up the current GOP: they will always do the opposite of what Dems do.


One party wanting to play God and the other wanting to play Santa Claus...not quite opposite, but close enough for Fark.
 
2013-01-16 08:50:58 AM  
I forget. When did St, Ronald sign Norquist's no tax pledge? Must've been after signing eleven tax increases into law.
 
2013-01-16 08:53:09 AM  
FTA: The Republican Party is desperately in need of some good advice. It needs to return to Ronald Reagan conservatism and give America a two-party system, not a tinny echo of Obama.

Aaaaand my not taking you seriously just came to a screeching middle. Anyone who thinks that Republicans are anything but a hard-right party needs psychological help.

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2013-01-16 08:53:39 AM  
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2013-01-16 08:55:24 AM  

a_bilge_monkey: I forget. When did St, Ronald sign Norquist's no tax pledge? Must've been after signing eleven tax increases into law.


I remember when Jon Stewart actually brought this up to Norquist. That load's response was basically, "Well, he never signed the pledge. Heh. Hem. Hem. Heh." Looked SO freaking amused with himself, I've never had such a strong urge to punch my television.
 
2013-01-16 08:56:16 AM  

Zoophagous: Well the last line sums up the current GOP: they will always do the opposite of what Dems do. Left unwritten is that they will do this regardless of facts or reason.


To be honest, I am surprised they haven't started complaining about the death star gap, and why Obama is insisting that he won't start production of one.
 
2013-01-16 08:59:05 AM  
America as a whole is becoming more liberal. It was inevitable that it would. The GOP had better adapt or die. They're nearing a tipping point. Many Republicans today would have been considered liberals even twenty years ago, but until they can shake the stereotypes and preconceived notions that have overtaken any actual policy issues they're just limping toward death. Give the left credit, they've won the propaganda war.
 
2013-01-16 09:04:20 AM  

Yes please: America as a whole is becoming more liberal. It was inevitable that it would. The GOP had better adapt or die. They're nearing a tipping point. Many Republicans today would have been considered liberals even twenty years ago, but until they can shake the stereotypes and preconceived notions that have overtaken any actual policy issues they're just limping toward death. Give the left credit, they've won the propaganda war.


You mean demographic war.

/Not exactly a Sun-Tzu inspired strategy mind you, but it worked.
 
2013-01-16 09:09:32 AM  

kudayta: Yes please: America as a whole is becoming more liberal. It was inevitable that it would. The GOP had better adapt or die. They're nearing a tipping point. Many Republicans today would have been considered liberals even twenty years ago, but until they can shake the stereotypes and preconceived notions that have overtaken any actual policy issues they're just limping toward death. Give the left credit, they've won the propaganda war.

You mean demographic war.

/Not exactly a Sun-Tzu inspired strategy mind you, but it worked.


That's fair.  But it wasn't entirely passive either.  The Democrats were more nimble and responsive to the natural changes in those demographics.  The Republicans are actively resisting them.  Even blaming them for their own inability to evolve.
 
2013-01-16 09:11:06 AM  

kudayta: Yes please: America as a whole is becoming more liberal. It was inevitable that it would. The GOP had better adapt or die. They're nearing a tipping point. Many Republicans today would have been considered liberals even twenty years ago, but until they can shake the stereotypes and preconceived notions that have overtaken any actual policy issues they're just limping toward death. Give the left credit, they've won the propaganda war.

You mean demographic war.

/Not exactly a Sun-Tzu inspired strategy mind you, but it worked.


If you sit by the river long enough, you will see the body of your enemy float by.

- sun tzu
 
2013-01-16 09:13:43 AM  
Ah, Reagan. The man who inspired generations to deficit spend like there wasn't a tomorrow, and leave someone else to clean up the mess it created. A man who put us on the road to arming the folks we fight today. Yes, truly, this is a man to be lauded, because his memory keeps folks employed screaming about the very difficulties that their own policies create. Truly, he is the leonine symbol that will keep folks in jobs complaining bitterly for years to come...
 
2013-01-16 09:14:59 AM  
Keep fighting the good fight, conservatives. You're exactly right, and you're sooooo close. I recommend making one final push into overt racism and sexism. It's the only way, and it WILL work.
 
2013-01-16 09:17:10 AM  

Diogenes: kudayta: Yes please: America as a whole is becoming more liberal. It was inevitable that it would. The GOP had better adapt or die. They're nearing a tipping point. Many Republicans today would have been considered liberals even twenty years ago, but until they can shake the stereotypes and preconceived notions that have overtaken any actual policy issues they're just limping toward death. Give the left credit, they've won the propaganda war.

You mean demographic war.

/Not exactly a Sun-Tzu inspired strategy mind you, but it worked.

That's fair.  But it wasn't entirely passive either.  The Democrats were more nimble and responsive to the natural changes in those demographics.  The Republicans are actively resisting them.  Even blaming them for their own inability to evolve.


It's the very nature of liberalism vs conservatism. Call it framing, elastic band theory, entropy, whatever you want. Liberalism is by its nature progressive and pulls the center farther and farther left.
 
2013-01-16 09:24:33 AM  

Yes please: America as a whole is becoming more liberal. It was inevitable that it would. The GOP had better adapt or die. They're nearing a tipping point. Many Republicans today would have been considered liberals even twenty years ago, but until they can shake the stereotypes and preconceived notions that have overtaken any actual policy issues they're just limping toward death. Give the left credit, they've won the propaganda war.


You think it's because we don't understand the Republicans, that we've all just been fooled by the liberal propaganda, that's why we reject them?
Actually, I think it's more likely that anyone who supports the Republicans has been fooled by conservative propaganda. It's not like any Republican administration in my lifetime has ever actually reduced the size of government. Or even tried to.
 
2013-01-16 09:25:15 AM  
Today's Republican Party is to the left of no one save for maybe Benito Mussolini.
 
2013-01-16 09:26:21 AM  
Do they have special kind of drugs for people at Townhall.......or are they just full into bath salts now?
 
2013-01-16 09:31:52 AM  
I work with a guy that called Teddy Rosevelt a "flaming progressive" and calls Wayne Lapierre a genius for his comments. THis is the current nature of the Republican Party. They are increasingly out of touch with reality andrefuse to accept any other world view but their own delusions. Young people look at the Republican Party and see a party unwilling to adapt to the modern day. Women and minorities see a party that would like nothing more than go back to times in American history where they had few, if any freedoms. We are watching a political evolution and if the current Republican party does not adapt it will have a slow death. Hopefully replaced by a moderate party, or at least one that is willing to actually lead and make compromises to ensure the success of our nation.
 
2013-01-16 09:32:16 AM  

Diogenes: That's fair. But it wasn't entirely passive either. The Democrats were more nimble and responsive to the natural changes in those demographics.


Yes, it's amazing how many people in a community will come out to vote for the person who DOESN'T keep telling them that they're lazy, shiftless freeloaders who should kick themselves out of the country.
 
2013-01-16 09:32:20 AM  

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That cartoonist draws Peggy Noonan different in every frame. Strange choice.
 
2013-01-16 09:33:07 AM  

OhioUGrad: Do they have special kind of drugs for people at Townhall.......or are they just full into bath salts now?


Inbreeding. They're practicing for when they Go Galt.
 
2013-01-16 09:35:13 AM  

Whistling Kitty Chaser: PopularFront: [i47.tinypic.com image 500x684]

That cartoonist draws Peggy Noonan different in every frame. Strange choice.


Wow!  That hot coffee really clears out the sinuses!  Kinda messy though.
 
2013-01-16 09:35:23 AM  

Twilight Spark: I work with a guy that called Teddy Rosevelt a "flaming progressive"


Well, that is kind of fair...


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2013-01-16 09:40:30 AM  
Tax Reform Might Start With a Look Back to '86
By FLOYD NORRIS
Published: November 22, 2012

"A tax that places significantly different burdens on taxpayers in similar economic circumstances is not fair. For example, if two similar families have the same income, they should ordinarily pay roughly the same amount of income tax, regardless of the sources or uses of that income."
- Tax Reform report of the Treasury Department to President Ronald Reagan, November 1984

As Washington grapples with the budget, it might be worth asking a simple question: What would Ronald Reagan do?

He was the last president to preside over a significant tax reform, one that did exactly what both candidates in this year's presidential election said they want to do: lower tax rates and close loopholes.

And a critical part of that reform was to end the historical system of taxing capital gains at lower rates than ordinary income.

In the name of fairness, the Tax Reform Act of 1986 raised the maximum tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28 percent from 20 percent at the same time it reduced the maximum rate on ordinary income to 28 percent from 50 percent.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/23/business/a-starting-point-for-tax- re form-what-reagan-did.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
 
2013-01-16 09:42:37 AM  
Wow, they still don't get it.  Reagan was more of a social moderate than anyone in today's GOP...and the GOP thinks they're doing poorly because they're not socially conservative enough?

The GOP will continue to lose the big elections until they realize that the middle (those of us that don't favor either party) are more socially liberal than in previous years.
 
2013-01-16 09:46:19 AM  

slayer199: Reagan was more of a social moderate than anyone in today's GOP


I disagree.  Reagan was kind of all over the map.  But the fact remains he wasn't the pure, untainted vessel of conservatism sent to man from God that they pretend he was.
 
2013-01-16 09:54:36 AM  

Diogenes: I disagree. Reagan was kind of all over the map. But the fact remains he wasn't the pure, untainted vessel of conservatism sent to man from God that they pretend he was.


Uh, today's GOP is just left of the Taliban socially....so yeah, Reagan was a social moderate in comparison.
 
2013-01-16 09:55:21 AM  
"Powell thinks he's a Republican, and the GOP has an "identity problem." But the "identity problem" is Powell's -- voting for Obama is neither Republican nor "moderate.""

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2013-01-16 09:57:48 AM  

Yes please: It's the very nature of liberalism vs conservatism. Call it framing, elastic band theory, entropy, whatever you want. Liberalism is by its nature progressive and pulls the center farther and farther left.


Well. in theory in a purely "conservative" vs "progressive" setup that is true - the conservative tends to be reactive, keeping things the same or rolling back recent progressive changes, while some progressive changes will get through and become the new status quo that the conservatives protect.

I don't think it is as clear cut in the US because the Republicans haven't been purely conservative in their outlook for some time, certainly by the time Reagan takes power conservatism is a fairly minor part of the platform - they have a much more proactive agenda (which is not necessarily itself a bad thing, it depends on what you are proactive in pursuing).
 
2013-01-16 10:03:04 AM  

Yes please: Liberalism is by its nature progressive and pulls the center farther and farther left.


I'm really confused by this assessment. To me, the hardline retardation of the conservative movement in the past 20 years has pulled Democrats to the right. We elected a conservative, corporatist president who is using military force strategically to shape the middle east without just paving it and rebuilding it, and instated a health care policy that would have been a Republican wet dream if it had happened on GBW's watch, while they scream about how it's the libbiest thing that ever libbed.

The reason I have such an easy time voting for Democrats in the past couple elections is that they are, to me, effectively what I perceived the Republican party to be in 1992. I will give major caveats here to the fact that I was a child at the time and am dodgy as shiat on my history, so maybe the foundation of my premise is just wrong.

I don't see any major supporters of overthrowing the WTO or forming a crazy super-continent version of NATO or forced breaking up of monopolies. shiat, we sparked an international recession on the foundation of having too much bank consolidation without enough constraints, and there's still no mainstream political movement to reinstate Glass-Steagall or anything similar. I see a Democratic party with no problem maintaining a basic level of corporatism, which I think is necessary for a country in our position.

Is this a case of you ONLY looking at social issues and ignoring fiscal and foreign policy issues, and me doing the opposite?
 
2013-01-16 10:12:44 AM  
Congratulations, Brent Bozell!!!

You have just defeated Jonah Goldberg to claim the STUPIDEST PERSON ON THE INTERNET championship belt potato!

Now please hurl yourself in front of a speeding bus.
 
2013-01-16 10:17:14 AM  

UnholyMudcrab: Today's Republican Party is to the left of no one save for maybe Benito Mussolini.


At least Il Duce was able to fix the trains.  These pants on head psychopahts can't even do that.
 
2013-01-16 10:18:14 AM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Keep fighting the good fight, conservatives. You're exactly right, and you're sooooo close. I recommend making one final push into overt racism and sexism. It's the only way, and it WILL work.


And rape. Can't forget rape.
 
2013-01-16 10:32:10 AM  
Today's conservatives are not fighting to maintain the here and now (which I thought was a working definition of conservatism) but are fighting to turn back the clock, at least from where I'm sitting. Socially, they are definitely fighting against the clock - and it's a losing cause.

Fiscally, they may have some points - but they have been intractable in other areas. It would be useful if those fiscally conservative but socially moderate Republicans (if there are any) actually stood their ground on issues that had nothing to do with fiscal policy (abortion, gay marriage, etc.), or are beyond contestation of fiscal policy (Natural disaster relief) but they have stood solidly with the rest of the party (to a greater extent) to slow down or block the sands of time so there is little differentiation between fiscal conservatives and Tea Party conservatives. The polyglot of policy they support is not conservative but unfortunately greedy (I've got mine, get yours - cut all previous pension plans), socially backward (Fear the gays, fear women's rights, etc.), War-mongering (Bomb or shoot 'em all) and uncharitable (cut all social spending and get rid of entitlements). In all cases, it's hard to see where this is an attractive policy set for anyone other than Rich folks or deluded Christians.

Odd that conservatives don't seem to evolve. It's almost like they don't accept evolution or sumpin.....
 
2013-01-16 10:33:00 AM  
The GOP needs to move further to the right. Yup that the problem. Listen to this guy. He seems legit.
 
2013-01-16 10:42:43 AM  
Nixon today would be considered a raging liberal communist. Reagan would be "the middle". The GOP of today is so far right, they're in danger of coming out the other side.
 
2013-01-16 10:46:53 AM  

Bill the unknowing: Today's conservatives are not fighting to maintain the here and now (which I thought was a working definition of conservatism) but are fighting to turn back the clock, at least from where I'm sitting. Socially, they are definitely fighting against the clock - and it's a losing cause.

Fiscally, they may have some points - but they have been intractable in other areas. It would be useful if those fiscally conservative but socially moderate Republicans (if there are any) actually stood their ground on issues that had nothing to do with fiscal policy (abortion, gay marriage, etc.), or are beyond contestation of fiscal policy (Natural disaster relief) but they have stood solidly with the rest of the party (to a greater extent) to slow down or block the sands of time so there is little differentiation between fiscal conservatives and Tea Party conservatives. The polyglot of policy they support is not conservative but unfortunately greedy (I've got mine, get yours - cut all previous pension plans), socially backward (Fear the gays, fear women's rights, etc.), War-mongering (Bomb or shoot 'em all) and uncharitable (cut all social spending and get rid of entitlements). In all cases, it's hard to see where this is an attractive policy set for anyone other than Rich folks or deluded Christians.

Odd that conservatives don't seem to evolve. It's almost like they don't accept evolution or sumpin.....


Excellent assessment.  The don't seem to realize that the middle has moved left socially and the leadership does what it can to quash those not in line with their brand of social conservatism.
 
2013-01-16 10:53:20 AM  

Yes please: America as a whole is becoming more liberal. It was inevitable that it would. The GOP had better adapt or die. They're nearing a tipping point. Many Republicans today would have been considered liberals even twenty years ago, but until they can shake the stereotypes and preconceived notions that have overtaken any actual policy issues they're just limping toward death. Give the left credit, they've won the propaganda war.


The people are, because of increasing urbanism and such, but the politicians who actually make policy and force us all to live by it, definitely are not. Not even with the probable imminent demise of the Tea Party as a force to be reckoned with. You're aware, I'm sure, of the developing GOP plan to IED the Electoral College in those states that vote Democratic in presidential elections but whose legislatures are presently controlled by Republicans. (Ohio is the big one.) If they manage that, and if they continue their policy of subversion-by-gerrymander (which will continue to be upheld by a majority-conservative Supreme Court), I think democracy -- what remains of it -- in this country could be in serious danger. We could be looking at a generation of conservative control of the Executive Branch by presidents who received only a minority of the popular vote, and who take their marching orders from Big Money.
 
2013-01-16 10:57:05 AM  

Bill the unknowing: Today's conservatives are not fighting to maintain the here and now (which I thought was a working definition of conservatism) but are fighting to turn back the clock, at least from where I'm sitting. Socially, they are definitely fighting against the clock - and it's a losing cause.

Fiscally, they may have some points - but they have been intractable in other areas. It would be useful if those fiscally conservative but socially moderate Republicans (if there are any) actually stood their ground on issues that had nothing to do with fiscal policy (abortion, gay marriage, etc.), or are beyond contestation of fiscal policy (Natural disaster relief) but they have stood solidly with the rest of the party (to a greater extent) to slow down or block the sands of time so there is little differentiation between fiscal conservatives and Tea Party conservatives. The polyglot of policy they support is not conservative but unfortunately greedy (I've got mine, get yours - cut all previous pension plans), socially backward (Fear the gays, fear women's rights, etc.), War-mongering (Bomb or shoot 'em all) and uncharitable (cut all social spending and get rid of entitlements). In all cases, it's hard to see where this is an attractive policy set for anyone other than Rich folks or deluded Christians.

Odd that conservatives don't seem to evolve. It's almost like they don't accept evolution or sumpin.....


I like you. Well stated.
 
2013-01-16 11:04:08 AM  
Yeah, that's what it is... *rolls eyes*
 
2013-01-16 11:10:43 AM  

Yes please: Many Republicans today would have been considered liberals even twenty years ago


Squeeze me? Baking powder? I assume you meant the opposite of what you actually wrote.
 
2013-01-16 11:19:00 AM  
Can I just say I hate Eric Bolling and Steve Doocy with the white-hot heat of a thousand suns?

I know they are not the focus of the article, but I guarantee they are the puppets who will make these observations on air. gar-on-teed.
 
2013-01-16 11:37:58 AM  

exparrot: Can I just say I hate Eric Bolling and Steve Doocy with the white-hot heat of a thousand suns?

I know they are not the focus of the article, but I guarantee they are the puppets who will make these observations on air. gar-on-teed.


Doocy's too simple to do any real harm.  Every time I see his face I hear calliope music in my head.
 
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