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(Talking Points Memo)   Obama's limo will sport DC's "Taxation without Representation" license plates for the Inauguration. There's a joke here, but I can't think of one. Let's see what Fox has to say about this, they're full of jokers   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 55
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2013-01-16 07:43:23 AM
They see him trollin.
They hatin'.
 
2013-01-16 07:55:51 AM
I'm trying to think of why any other state's plates would be on the car, but I'm coming up blank.
 
2013-01-16 08:08:34 AM

Vodka Zombie: I'm trying to think of why any other state's plates would be on the car, but I'm coming up blank.


Fox figured it would have Kenyan plates.
 
2013-01-16 08:10:50 AM

St_Francis_P: Vodka Zombie: I'm trying to think of why any other state's plates would be on the car, but I'm coming up blank.

Fox figured it would have Kenyan plates.


You joke, but I don't doubt that is not within the realm of reality for them
 
2013-01-16 08:18:20 AM

Vodka Zombie: I'm trying to think of why any other state's plates would be on the car, but I'm coming up blank.


I think normally they would be government plates, maybe Executive Protection Service?
 
2013-01-16 08:24:54 AM
Oh, having read TFA, I guess they are adding the DC slogan to his official plates. That IS a little provocative.

I approve.
 
2013-01-16 08:32:11 AM
I wonder if the Tea Party will take up the cause - this, after all, is the single most foundational principle of our entire republic.
 
2013-01-16 08:32:32 AM

Vodka Zombie: I'm trying to think of why any other state's plates would be on the car, but I'm coming up blank.


Well technically, there will still be no State plates on the car, which is one of the reasons they say what they say.
 
2013-01-16 08:36:20 AM

DamnYankees: I wonder if the Tea Party will take up the cause - this, after all, is the single most foundational principle of our entire republic.


Snert.  Maybe they would if the citizens of DC weren't somehow... different... from the Tea Partiers in some way.  You can bet your bottom dollar that it'd be a goddam Tea Party plank if DC was a 'Turtle on the Creek Rock Palisades' style suburb.
 
2013-01-16 08:36:44 AM
Goddammit, now even Obama is a teabagger.

I'm going home. F*ck all y'all.
 
2013-01-16 08:42:34 AM
There's really no reason they shouldn't have proper representation.  Of course, on the other hand they could get it by moving, just as those in Puerto Rico would have every right to do.  Why does every single system here have to have weird exceptions anyway?  This nation is a bit of a giant clusterfark in that regard.
 
2013-01-16 08:42:39 AM

xanadian: Goddammit, now even Obama is a teabagger.

I'm going home. F*ck all y'all.


The District of Columbia is made up of people who have to pay taxes, yet have no say in the running of our country. This is exactly what the tea baggers "say" they are against, but the residents are mostly poor black people, so they don't care.
 
2013-01-16 08:52:53 AM

Ennuipoet: Vodka Zombie: I'm trying to think of why any other state's plates would be on the car, but I'm coming up blank.

Well technically, there will still be no State plates on the car, which is one of the reasons they say what they say.


Ahhh...  Got it.  He's just slapping the DC motto on them.

I like it.  People of DC have been getting screwed since Day One of this country, and I can't help but think how great it would be to actually give Eleanor Holmes Norton all the voting power of a fully armed and operational Congressperson.  That woman could kick a lot of ass.
 
2013-01-16 08:57:27 AM

Vodka Zombie: People of DC have been getting screwed since Day One of this country


You know that at the time of our nation's founding D.C. was just a swamp. I mean, like a real one, not a metaphorical swamp.
 
2013-01-16 08:58:13 AM
I think it should read "Representation without Taxation" - you know, because of all the welfare maggots and tax cheats running around.
 
2013-01-16 09:02:53 AM

DamnYankees: I wonder if the Tea Party will take up the cause - this, after all, is the single most foundational principle of our entire republic.


Libs snuck that in later after Jesus wrote the Constitution. Nothing is sacred to them.
 
2013-01-16 09:08:21 AM

ginandbacon: Oh, having read TFA, I guess they are adding the DC slogan to his official plates. That IS a little provocative.

I approve.


I seem to remember that Clinton had them. They were just the DC plates - Bush had them changed when he got into office iirc.
 
2013-01-16 09:09:36 AM
That's because they nixed my "Retrocession With Representation" idea.
 
2013-01-16 09:17:23 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Vodka Zombie: People of DC have been getting screwed since Day One of this country

You know that at the time of our nation's founding D.C. was just a swamp. I mean, like a real one, not a metaphorical swamp.


Yeah.  But, it still didn't have adequate representation.

Those poor salamanders.

NEVER FORGET!
 
2013-01-16 09:32:06 AM
Why not propose not paying taxes for those living in DC? Or other places without representation?
 
2013-01-16 09:35:24 AM

Deneb81: ginandbacon: Oh, having read TFA, I guess they are adding the DC slogan to his official plates. That IS a little provocative.

I approve.

I seem to remember that Clinton had them. They were just the DC plates - Bush had them changed when he got into office iirc.


In DC, you can have regular DC plates that say nothing (I think) or ones that bear the slogan - which DC sued the Federal government for the right to produce and circulate. Clinton had them on, W took them off.

Something about what kind of voters live there, methinks.

// 90/10 Gore/Bush
// 95/5 Kerry/Bush
// 98/2 Obama/McCain
// all numbers extracted from election night memories
 
2013-01-16 09:44:05 AM

what_now: The District of Columbia is made up of people who have to pay taxes, yet have no say in the running of our country.


It's even worse than that. The federal government that they don't get to vote for in any meaningful way gets to meddle in the affairs of their city government.
 
2013-01-16 09:46:05 AM

AiryAnne: Why not propose not paying taxes for those living in DC? Or other places without representation?


Because then everyone would move there.
 
2013-01-16 09:58:33 AM

Dr Dreidel: Deneb81: ginandbacon: Oh, having read TFA, I guess they are adding the DC slogan to his official plates. That IS a little provocative.

I approve.

I seem to remember that Clinton had them. They were just the DC plates - Bush had them changed when he got into office iirc.

In DC, you can have regular DC plates that say nothing (I think) or ones that bear the slogan - which DC sued the Federal government for the right to produce and circulate. Clinton had them on, W took them off.

Something about what kind of voters live there, methinks.

// 90/10 Gore/Bush
// 95/5 Kerry/Bush
// 98/2 Obama/McCain
// all numbers extracted from election night memories


The point I was making is that government cars sport government plates. The slogan is from DC's plates and it is provocative for a man who is not the President of DC to flaunt that slogan on a Federal vehicle. As a former DC resident, I approve, but I might be a little miffed at the lack of neutrality in what is a local or at most a Congressional issue if I were on the other side of it.
 
2013-01-16 10:00:14 AM
Meh..petition for Statehood then.
 
2013-01-16 10:00:24 AM

nekom: There's really no reason they shouldn't have proper representation.  Of course, on the other hand they could get it by moving, just as those in Puerto Rico would have every right to do.  Why does every single system here have to have weird exceptions anyway?  This nation is a bit of a giant clusterfark in that regard.


Or they could do what the folks on the southside of the River did and join the state next to them (Maryland).

/yes, Alexandria and Georgetown used to be in DC.
 
2013-01-16 10:20:53 AM

Cataholic: Georgetown used to be in DC.


It still is, but it used to be, too.
 
2013-01-16 10:26:29 AM

thurstonxhowell: Cataholic: Georgetown used to be in DC.

It still is, but it used to be, too.


mea culpa. Complete brain fart.
 
2013-01-16 10:47:51 AM
Why on Earth would the Republicans oppose DC having a representative?  [/sarcasm]
 
2013-01-16 10:53:23 AM
It seems like Puerto Rico gets more serious statehood talk than DC. What exactly would it take to get it through for DC? It seems like all the residents in DC would be in favor of it.
 
2013-01-16 10:55:40 AM

ginandbacon: The point I was making is that government cars sport government plates. The slogan is from DC's plates and it is provocative for a man who is not the President of DC to flaunt that slogan on a Federal vehicle. As a former DC resident, I approve, but I might be a little miffed at the lack of neutrality in what is a local or at most a Congressional issue if I were on the other side of it.


The President, who as you correctly noted can have no direct influence on DC's statehood (other than signing Congress' bill), has every right to display his support for DC representation, the same way he could have a "Free Tibet" bumper sticker (though he has even less influence on that issue).

It's not neutral, sure, but neither is Obama's saying that he won't negotiate over the debt limit. I don't see why it's a big issue either way.

// also a DC resident
// and I like this move
// also, don't (some) government cars sport DC plates? I know there is a "US Government" plate, but aren't there fleet cars registered in DC, rather than by/to the Feds? I know Clinton had these plates on the limo as well - maybe it's only for travel around DC? Or only for the limo, for the Inauguration?
 
2013-01-16 10:55:44 AM

NeoCortex42: What exactly would it take to get it through for DC?


Less blah people living there.
 
2013-01-16 11:01:59 AM
It's traditional. Lots of people pay taxes to one state and live in another and yet can only vote in one state. Big taxes, like wage taxes and property taxes. Fix that.
 
2013-01-16 11:08:57 AM

BitwiseShift: It's traditional. Lots of people pay taxes to one state and live in another and yet can only vote in one state. Big taxes, like wage taxes and property taxes. Fix that.


On that note, can someone explain to me why the township supervisor of the township I am employed in can levy a $50/year occupational privilege tax, yet I can NOT vote him out of office? How is that not taxation without representation? I've never quite understood that.
 
2013-01-16 11:15:18 AM

nekom: BitwiseShift: It's traditional. Lots of people pay taxes to one state and live in another and yet can only vote in one state. Big taxes, like wage taxes and property taxes. Fix that.

On that note, can someone explain to me why the township supervisor of the township I am employed in can levy a $50/year occupational privilege tax, yet I can NOT vote him out of office? How is that not taxation without representation? I've never quite understood that.


The town you live in or the town in which you are employed?

Just working somewhere doesn't give you the right to vote there.
 
2013-01-16 11:19:11 AM
Obama having a licence plate like that on his limo is no more douchey than George Lucas wearing a "Han Shot First" shirt.
 
2013-01-16 11:25:16 AM

cretinbob: Meh..petition for Statehood then.


DC gets electoral votes without statehood.  Why not a Congressional delegation?
 
2013-01-16 11:46:52 AM
runin800m:

The town you live in or the town in which you are employed?

Just working somewhere doesn't give you the right to vote there.

Where I am employed. The township I live in has the same tax (it's the state's maximum, nearly every township, city and borough have it at $50). I know that working somewhere doesn't give me the right to vote there, however a tax IS being levied against me and I am NOT able to vote out the person responsible (who happens to be my great uncle, small world). Now $50 a year doesn't bankrupt me, but how is that not taxation without representation?
 
2013-01-16 11:53:26 AM

nekom: BitwiseShift: It's traditional. Lots of people pay taxes to one state and live in another and yet can only vote in one state. Big taxes, like wage taxes and property taxes. Fix that.

On that note, can someone explain to me why the township supervisor of the township I am employed in can levy a $50/year occupational privilege tax, yet I can NOT vote him out of office? How is that not taxation without representation? I've never quite understood that.


"No taxation without representation" is like "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," and that poem about the "tired poor huddled masses" on the side of the statue liberty.

Everybody knowing a phrase and associating it with the government does not make it the law.
 
2013-01-16 11:57:57 AM

nekom: Now $50 a year doesn't bankrupt me, but how is that not taxation without representation?


Because the way that tax was levied was through elected representation. You say it's the state maximum, which means it's codified in state law, which means state representatives voted on allowing that tax (and the governor signed it), which means the "representation" already happened.

You also have a remedy available through your current state-level representation - get your local rep to repeal the law allowing a "township residency tax" or whatever.

You can also not work in that township, which may not free you from paying the $50 (since every surrounding township has it, you say), but that's not really the law's concern. You could move to a new state, as far as the law is concerned.
 
2013-01-16 12:07:02 PM
Not only does DC not have federal representation, it doesn't really have local representation either. DC is governed by Congress. I have no idea why anyone would want to live there.
 
2013-01-16 12:27:44 PM
Fox will take that ball and run with it.  But it will come out, "THE PRESIDENT WANTS TO TAX YOU WITHOUT YOU HAVING ANY SAY AT ALL!!!  JUST LOOK WHAT HE HAS ON HIS LICENSE PLATE!!!!
 
2013-01-16 12:42:13 PM

BitwiseShift: It's traditional. Lots of people pay taxes to one state and live in another and yet can only vote in one state. Big taxes, like wage taxes and property taxes. Fix that.


Those people do, however get to vote in a state -- and for a real member of Congress. DC folks don't get to vote in any state, have only non-voting members of Congress, and yet Congress gets to dick around in their local government.
 
2013-01-16 12:50:06 PM

MJMaloney187: I think it should read "Representation without Taxation" - you know, because of all the welfare maggots and tax cheats running around.


Actually, those were the plates they had on order if Romney won.
 
2013-01-16 01:00:01 PM
My "representation" has always hinged on a single vote in hundreds of millions, one that will quite likely be lost by the incompetent vote counters. My taxes are extracted at gunpoint.

Same for everybody else here.
 
2013-01-16 01:05:10 PM

AcneVulgaris: My taxes are extracted at gunpoint.


Ah, the plaintive call of the American Nitwit. Majestic, isn't it?
 
2013-01-16 01:16:49 PM
Eh, it's more democrats in congress that he cares about. Let's not kid ourselves on this one.
 
2013-01-16 01:28:36 PM
DC's "Taxation without Representation"...

Meanwhile, at the Justice League...
 
2013-01-16 02:03:41 PM

AcneVulgaris: My "representation" has always hinged on a single vote in hundreds of millions, one that will quite likely be lost by the incompetent vote counters. My taxes are extracted at gunpoint.

Same for everybody else here.


You don't pay enough in taxes to make it worth hiring a gunman to ensure you pay the rental on your citizenship. Continue to fill out the forms, or pay someone else to do it for you though, you hyperbolist you.
 
2013-01-16 02:17:42 PM

cchris_39: Eh, it's more democrats in congress that he cares about. Let's not kid ourselves on this one.


That's why Republicans are against any efforts to give DC more representation.

Good job pointing out the obvious.
 
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