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(CNN)   And once again America has a case of Post-Traumatic Stupidity Syndrome: "This is a safe community, and a safe community treats all people, even the ones cradling their own children, as potential psycho-killers"   (schoolsofthought.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 64
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2013-01-16 08:21:24 AM
qu'est-ce que c'est?
 
2013-01-16 08:21:39 AM
Folks in the throes of PTSS are so traumatized by a tragic event that they immediately demand something - ANYTHING - be done to prevent it from ever occurring again. Even if the chances of it happening are one in a million. Even if the "preventative measures" proposed are wacky, wasteful, ridiculous - or worse.

Coughgunlawscough
 
2013-01-16 08:25:56 AM
Third! The BS being put forth is NOT going to help anyone, it's just criminalizing law abiding citizens, who have ALREADY done the right things in order to obtain and maintain their firearms.
 
2013-01-16 08:26:32 AM
I'll wait to hear what the talking heads have to say about this.
 
2013-01-16 08:29:15 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Folks in the throes of PTSS are so traumatized by a tragic event that they immediately demand something - ANYTHING - be done to prevent it from ever occurring again. Even if the chances of it happening are one in a million. Even if the "preventative measures" proposed are wacky, wasteful, ridiculous - or worse.

Coughgunlawscough


Yup.  The feel good laws that are to be passed in the coming months are going to do little in the way of preventing another mass killing.  The only thing that will come of it is making it more difficult for legal gun owners to purchase, carry, and use their guns.
 
2013-01-16 08:30:53 AM
Oh those crazy naive honkies will never learn
 
2013-01-16 08:31:04 AM

Endive Wombat: Yup.  The feel good laws that are to be passed in the coming months are going to do little in the way of preventing another mass killing.  The only thing that will come of it is making it more difficult for legal gun owners to purchase, carry, and use their guns.


NY state took the plunge into crazy right away, MD says they're next.

Although a good point was brought up, these nationwide bans might not go through because they were political suicide the last time they went through.
 
2013-01-16 08:31:12 AM
There's a link in TFA that goes to a story the author once told. She apparently let her 9-year old son loose on the NYC subway system.

I'm OK with that, as long as the kid's been properly trained. I was a "free-range kid" at the age of 7 in Los Angeles.

I turned out fine.

The problem ends up being, though, that you can't trust parents to properly parent and prepare their kids to figure out how to get home, etc. It's not the kids that are the problem.
 
2013-01-16 08:31:31 AM
In the wake of the Sandy Hook shootings, we are suffering from a very American malady: Post-Traumatic Stupidity Syndrome.

Oh, honey. We're just lucky it isn't terminal yet.
 
2013-01-16 08:32:14 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Endive Wombat: Yup.  The feel good laws that are to be passed in the coming months are going to do little in the way of preventing another mass killing.  The only thing that will come of it is making it more difficult for legal gun owners to purchase, carry, and use their guns.

NY state took the plunge into crazy right away, MD says they're next.

Although a good point was brought up, these nationwide bans might not go through because they were political suicide the last time they went through.


I hate to say it, but ..... thank God there's a Republican majority in the house.

....

AUGHAUAUGHGLGGH!!!! *runs off to rape shower*
 
2013-01-16 08:32:50 AM
the House. the HHHHHHHouse.

Goddammitsomuch.

*backs away from keyboard*
 
2013-01-16 08:38:44 AM

xanadian: I hate to say it, but ..... thank God there's a Republican majority in the house.

....

AUGHAUAUGHGLGGH!!!! *runs off to rape shower*


BWHAHAAHAHA that had to hurt eh?
 
2013-01-16 08:39:01 AM
Don't we get to see what the President is going to propose today? I wonder what he thinks he can do with executive orders. Could be very little, or he could try to go big. If he does go big, watching the NRA's types heads explode would be entertaining.
 
2013-01-16 08:39:18 AM

Endive Wombat: Tat'dGreaser: Folks in the throes of PTSS are so traumatized by a tragic event that they immediately demand something - ANYTHING - be done to prevent it from ever occurring again. Even if the chances of it happening are one in a million. Even if the "preventative measures" proposed are wacky, wasteful, ridiculous - or worse.

Coughgunlawscough

Yup.  The feel good laws that are to be passed in the coming months are going to do little in the way of preventing another mass killing.  The only thing that will come of it is making it more difficult for legal gun owners to purchase, carry, and use their guns.


This is my problem with the current debate. When politicians ram/rush legislation through after a tragedy or by overwhelming industry pressure, we end up with shiat like the USAPATRIOT act, the Department of Homeland Security and to a lesser extent, the DMCA,
 
2013-01-16 08:42:19 AM
But my favorite post-traumatic stupidity involves a day care center that has asked all parents from now on to slam the door on other parents behind them. As the director explained in a note home: "One of the biggest concerns at this center is how often parents 'piggyback' on the parent in front of them, thus bypassing the need to enter the security code."

Goofus lets a person with their arms full open a door on their own. Gallant opens the door for them and lets them in. Fark: Gallant gets suspended
 
2013-01-16 08:45:09 AM
Well we can't just do nothing!

/yeah, actually, you can
//it's a good thing to say too
 
2013-01-16 08:51:58 AM

BigBooper: Don't we get to see what the President is going to propose today? I wonder what he thinks he can do with executive orders. Could be very little, or he could try to go big. If he does go big, watching the NRA's types heads explode would be entertaining.


I actually hope he goes big.

Like, over-reaching big. Something like "banning 5.56 NATO/7.62x39mm ammo or ammo imports by reclassifying it as non-sporting". Because that would force the Supreme Court to act relatively quickly, and he'd lose big time. One of the core purposes of the Second Amendment is self-defense, and you can't seriously argue that a military caliber, designed to shoot people, isn't something you should use for self-defense.

Something like that would gut the "Sporting Purposes" test in the Gun Control Act of 1968, and it would invalidate the executive orders that ban the importation of some "non-sporting" guns.
 
2013-01-16 08:53:04 AM

OtherLittleGuy: But my favorite post-traumatic stupidity involves a day care center that has asked all parents from now on to slam the door on other parents behind them. As the director explained in a note home: "One of the biggest concerns at this center is how often parents 'piggyback' on the parent in front of them, thus bypassing the need to enter the security code."

Goofus lets a person with their arms full open a door on their own. Gallant opens the door for them and lets them in. Fark: Gallant gets suspended


if they want a secured area they need to install a swipe in/swipe out access system.
 
2013-01-16 08:53:46 AM

xanadian: She apparently let her 9-year old son loose on the NYC subway system.

I'm OK with that, as long as the kid's been properly trained. I was a "free-range kid" at the age of 7 in Los Angeles.


I was free range in my NYC neighborhood around age 7 or 8 in the 1970s when things really were rough. Didn't take the bus on my own until I was 13 or so when things my friends and I wanted to do (go to the mall) were finally out of walking/biking range. Today, some people are amazed we allow our 12 year old son to walk around the block to his school bus stop by himself. Such a different world.

As to school security, bullet proof, locked doors are probably enough. Many of us live in areas where the police are minutes away. All schools need is to have someway to delay a potential threat, whether it is a lunatic gunman or a lunatic parent, until help arrives. I can see a need for more lethal force in truly rural areas where help may not be nearby, but that certainly isn't the suburbs.
 
2013-01-16 08:57:59 AM

Flakeloaf: Well we can't just do nothing!

/yeah, actually, you can
//it's a good thing to say too


We could entirely prohibit self-defense and enact laws that explicitly protect the rights of home invaders to commit home invasions without fear of injury, as you advocate.
 
2013-01-16 09:02:05 AM
FTA: "Folks in the throes of PTSS are so traumatized by a tragic event that they immediately demand something - ANYTHING - be done to prevent it from ever occurring again."

Other than the politicians and the usual gun-grabber wannabes, I haven't heard of anybody demanding that the government enact any new gun control laws.
 
2013-01-16 09:04:24 AM

damageddude: As to school security, bullet proof, locked doors are probably enough. Many of us live in areas where the police are minutes away. All schools need is to have someway to delay a potential threat, whether it is a lunatic gunman or a lunatic parent, until help arrives. I can see a need for more lethal force in truly rural areas where help may not be nearby, but that certainly isn't the suburbs.


Let's just move all schools into maximum security prisons and get it over with. Start conditioning kids from kindergarten.

Land of the free, my ass.
 
2013-01-16 09:04:35 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Although a good point was brought up, these nationwide bans might not go through because they were political suicide the last time they went through.


Trying real hard not to sound like a conspiracy nut, many people have pointed out that that's why the President is vowing to ram this through with Executive Orders.  By doing so he #1 gets his agenda through without the checks & balances of having it go through the normal law making process & #2 shields all the Democrats from the political fallout back home.  About the only thing that Congress could do if that is the case is just to completely defund the ATF so that the laws/regulations couldn't be enforced.
 
2013-01-16 09:06:14 AM

xanadian: the House. the HHHHHHHouse.

Goddammitsomuch.

*backs away from keyboard*


This wouldn't have happened had you not had so much freedom to roam about at a young age.
 
2013-01-16 09:07:02 AM

Dimensio: Flakeloaf: Well we can't just do nothing!

/yeah, actually, you can
//it's a good thing to say too

We could entirely prohibit self-defense and enact laws that explicitly protect the rights of home invaders to commit home invasions without fear of injury, as you advocate.


That has worked out really well for rapists in England, so you know, we should do it too.
 
2013-01-16 09:08:57 AM

Dimensio: Flakeloaf: Well we can't just do nothing!

/yeah, actually, you can
//it's a good thing to say too

We could entirely prohibit self-defense and enact laws that explicitly protect the rights of home invaders to commit home invasions without fear of injury, as you advocate.


What I advocate is the use of reasonable, proportionate force to protect yourself from an actual threat of violence. If you're threatened with grievous harm or death, you can return with grievous harm or death. If someone steals your car or hoofs in your front door, sees you and then bolts, you shrug your shoulders and GBTW because those aren't good reasons to make somebody die.

Knocks on door, thinks house is empty and then breaks in with a crowbar guy didn't actually threaten anybody inside (if the article tells the whole story, which we know it didn't) but that doesn't matter for two reasons: Maybe people breaking into houses in that town always attack the people inside, so the threat of death was a reasonable thing to perceive and the shooting was morally justified, and also the law there says a B&E is a hangin crime and that was a good shoot, so what he was doing inside isn't relevant.

Keep farking that strawman though.
 
2013-01-16 09:12:52 AM

Recoil Therapy: Trying real hard not to sound like a conspiracy nut, many people have pointed out that that's why the President is vowing to ram this through with Executive Orders.  By doing so he #1 gets his agenda through without the checks & balances of having it go through the normal law making process & #2 shields all the Democrats from the political fallout back home.  About the only thing that Congress could do if that is the case is just to completely defund the ATF so that the laws/regulations couldn't be enforced.


I've been thinking about it, I don't think he'll go that far. Even he knows it's political suicide. He'll act like he will, will seem tough on guns and they'll all argue and maybe something that's actually reasonable will be agreed on.
 
2013-01-16 09:15:23 AM

damageddude: I can see a need for more lethal force in truly rural areas where help may not be nearby, but that certainly isn't the suburbs.


You can? Because to me that all sounds completely farking batshiat insane.

Growing up, I remember school already feeling like a prison, and I graduated in 2000. So let's just go full farking overboard and lock the kids up tight and post armed guards at all the entrances. No way that could backfire, right? I mean, it's completely inconceivable that you would just end up creating a generation of bitter, disillusioned kids that view authority as only existing to curtail their rights for no tangible benefit, right?

I understand that we want our kids to be safe. But the fact is, senseless acts of violence can never be prevented simply because they are so senseless. You can't plan for someone who has no plan. All you end up doing is punishing the good and law abiding and discouraging them from ever wanting to contribute in a positive way in the future.

The people in power grew up listening to this:
sociology2010.files.wordpress.com

vastrm.com

How can they think the shiat they are doing now is in any way helpful?
 
2013-01-16 09:16:48 AM

LandOfChocolate: This is my problem with the current debate. When politicians ram/rush legislation through after a tragedy or by overwhelming industry pressure, we end up with shiat like the USAPATRIOT act, the Department of Homeland Security and to a lesser extent, the DMCA,


We live in a culture that for some reason demands reactionary politics

I really do not understand it at all
 
2013-01-16 09:18:10 AM

Flakeloaf: Knocks on door, thinks house is empty and then breaks in with a crowbar guy didn't actually threaten anybody inside


Except when he realized someone was in the home he opted not to flee and instead sought ber out.


What do you think he was going to do when he found her?
 
2013-01-16 09:20:36 AM

StrangeQ:

How can they think the shiat they are doing now is in any way helpful?


They don't have to believe it's in any way helpful. They just have to look like they're doing something to fix the problem.

/mama do you think she's dangerous
 
2013-01-16 09:25:25 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Recoil Therapy: Trying real hard not to sound like a conspiracy nut, many people have pointed out that that's why the President is vowing to ram this through with Executive Orders.  By doing so he #1 gets his agenda through without the checks & balances of having it go through the normal law making process & #2 shields all the Democrats from the political fallout back home.  About the only thing that Congress could do if that is the case is just to completely defund the ATF so that the laws/regulations couldn't be enforced.

I've been thinking about it, I don't think he'll go that far. Even he knows it's political suicide. He'll act like he will, will seem tough on guns and they'll all argue and maybe something that's actually reasonable will be agreed on.


If he is not careful, he also stands to alienate folks like me - Conservative/former Conservatives that voted for him and his ilk

Don't get me wrong, something needs to be done to TRY and prevent the future deaths of innocents, but I cannot fathom a set of laws that would have prevented Sandy Hook, hell, even Aurora.

/Let's not even get started with "mental health checks" as the slippery slope and highly subjective nature of it can be used in ways that will disarm many a folk.
 
2013-01-16 09:25:39 AM

Flakeloaf: Dimensio: Flakeloaf: Well we can't just do nothing!

/yeah, actually, you can
//it's a good thing to say too

We could entirely prohibit self-defense and enact laws that explicitly protect the rights of home invaders to commit home invasions without fear of injury, as you advocate.

What I advocate is the use of reasonable, proportionate force to protect yourself from an actual threat of violence. If you're threatened with grievous harm or death, you can return with grievous harm or death. If someone steals your car or hoofs in your front door, sees you and then bolts, you shrug your shoulders and GBTW because those aren't good reasons to make somebody die.

Knocks on door, thinks house is empty and then breaks in with a crowbar guy didn't actually threaten anybody inside (if the article tells the whole story, which we know it didn't) but that doesn't matter for two reasons: Maybe people breaking into houses in that town always attack the people inside, so the threat of death was a reasonable thing to perceive and the shooting was morally justified, and also the law there says a B&E is a hangin crime and that was a good shoot, so what he was doing inside isn't relevant.

Keep farking that strawman though.


How is the guy in the house, that's facing a home invader with a crowbar, supposed to know this?  Wait and see if he takes a swing at his head with said crowbar?
 
2013-01-16 09:27:02 AM

Endive Wombat: If he is not careful, he also stands to alienate folks like me - Conservative/former Conservatives that voted for him and his ilk

Don't get me wrong, something needs to be done to TRY and prevent the future deaths of innocents, but I cannot fathom a set of laws that would have prevented Sandy Hook, hell, even Aurora.

/Let's not even get started with "mental health checks" as the slippery slope and highly subjective nature of it can be used in ways that will disarm many a folk.


The problem is banning things instead of making intelligent decisions as to why people kill and how we can stop that is not productive.

All bans do is stop law abiding people from doing something they had no plans on doing to begin with.
 
2013-01-16 09:29:04 AM

Mrbogey: Flakeloaf: Knocks on door, thinks house is empty and then breaks in with a crowbar guy didn't actually threaten anybody inside

Except when he realized someone was in the home he opted not to flee and instead sought ber out.

What do you think he was going to do when he found her?


Prove he realized someone was in the home and would have assaulted her. You can intend to assault somebody up until the point where you actually see them and then change your mind and run away because holy crap it's a woman and her kid and wow my life is farked up she doesn't deserve any of this because of my smack habit. I'm not an idiot, if that place has a castle doctrine law it's because people who break into houses usually assault the people inside so in that place that presumption is reasonable. In my culture it's not.

We've been over this so many times the grass is stomped into a green muddy paste, so let's just skip to the end here:

- The article didn't report enough information for anyone to draw a sensible conclusion about his intent or what he knew
- That said, it's reasonable to assume this guy was probably up to no good
- It's sad that the most sensible advice for "there's a guy knocking on a door" is "run and hide in the closet with a gun"
- It's sadder still that the advice was accurate
- In every way that matters the shoot was justified and the homeowner did nothing wrong
- If anybody puts a single toe in the gravel at the end of my driveway or looks twice at my rusted out camaro I'm gonna shoot him in the eyeballs and gouge out his brains and drown him in a vat of boiling hot radioactive acid and bees and then shoot the bees because touching my things means death because freedom and if you don't think so you're a communist homosexual.
- 70 GOTO 10

That's basically where that thread ended up.

ITT we're talking about what the reasonable thing to do in the face of a shooting is, and I think we're all in agreement that lining every street and hallway with militia isn't a sane answer.
 
2013-01-16 09:38:30 AM

Callous:
How is the guy in the house, that's facing a home invader with a crowbar, supposed to know this?  Wait and see if he takes a swing at his head with said crowbar?


Dunno. Article didn't say. Maybe standing in the hallway with a gun saying "Hey get the fark out of my house" would've been a good idea. And may be if the Queen had a dick she'd be the King. Coulda, shoulda, dinna. Fact is the guy had her and her kid cornered and the woman, who was actually in the house and in a much better position to gauge the situation than anyone on the internet, decided that there was a threat and the reasonable response was to make somebody die and that she'd deal with the psychological consequences later. The law has no problem with it and neither do I, mainly because I wasn't there.

Personally I find the idea of a castle doctrine pretty odious (I like there to be an extra step between B&E and dead people) but if you're from a place with a reason to have those laws then of course you would feel differently. Where I live your thinking would be wrong, where you live my thinking would be wrong.
 
2013-01-16 09:40:24 AM

DrPainMD: Let's just move all schools into maximum security prisons and get it over with.


How does having secure door equate a prison? I grew up in NYC and our schools had metal grates over the windows and main doors. That didn't make the place feel more like a prison. Of course that was NYC in the 70s, where our metal apartment door had a double lock.

The schools my children go to have glass doors similar to what was described in Newton that anyone could smash (they are already locked) if they wanted to, not just gunmen, but mischievous kids at night. I don't have a problem making it a little harder. I know it won't stop the random nut intent on blowing up a school, but those instances are so rare and so unpredictable, I don't think you can prepare for that aside from the more basic measures already being taken.

StrangeQ: You can? Because to me that all sounds completely farking batshiat insane.


I never said anything about armed guards. I'm thinking of truly rural areas where there are no police and the nearest sheriff is 30 minutes away, such as one school I saw in news reports just after Newton where the principal explained why he was armed.
 
2013-01-16 09:42:01 AM

Flakeloaf: Personally I find the idea of a castle doctrine pretty odious (I like there to be an extra step between B&E and dead people) but if you're from a place with a reason to have those laws then of course you would feel differently. Where I live your thinking would be wrong, where you live my thinking would be wrong.


You're from a place where there is no breaking and entering?
 
2013-01-16 09:48:07 AM
I've said all this before but:

Guilty until proven innocent
We love letting a few rotten apples spoil the whole damn bunch
Freedom is scary
 
2013-01-16 09:49:59 AM
This is 'Merica we're fine with guns, they protect out liberty and our rights

/just teach your kids to be afraid, very afraid of...... well, just about everyone, really
 
2013-01-16 10:11:09 AM

DrPainMD: Flakeloaf: Personally I find the idea of a castle doctrine pretty odious (I like there to be an extra step between B&E and dead people) but if you're from a place with a reason to have those laws then of course you would feel differently. Where I live your thinking would be wrong, where you live my thinking would be wrong.

You're from a place where there is no breaking and entering?


Oh there's breaking and entering. Just not breaking and entering and murdering (exceptions for violent gangs and retired judges with a history of annoying the legitimate businessmen's social club). Usually it's more like "break and enter and oh shiat dude people run". The takeaway is this: If you phone your husband to tell him there's somebody pounding on the door and he tells you with a straight face to get a gun and hide in the closet, nothing I know about how things ought to be would be of much help in that discussion and I probably should've expressed my opinion somewhere else. You have castle doctrine for a reason.

I have no idea what would happen if there were a school shooting in this town, but after Ecole Polytechnique (Misogynist coward kills 14 women), Concordia (mentally unstable professor kills four colleagues) and Dawson College (angry student who flunked out of basic training flipped his wig and killed one student) I'd say "probably not a whole lot". Our gun laws were adjusted to further restrict high-capacity magazines and small grassroots petitions to ban private handgun ownership were taken under advisement and happily ignored. When schizophrenic Jeffrey Arenburg shot local sportscaster Brian Williams, instead of banning the weapon he used we made it mandatory for potentially dangerous mental patients to receive treatment, including the forcible administration of psychoactive medication to control their symptoms (having known people on haldol it's no secret why schizophrenics don't want to regularly take their pills).
I don't pretend to know what the right answer is to your recent troubles, but handing in your car keys before going to assembly probably ain't it.
 
2013-01-16 10:47:57 AM

damageddude: I never said anything about armed guards. I'm thinking of truly rural areas where there are no police and the nearest sheriff is 30 minutes away, such as one school I saw in news reports just after Newton where the principal explained why he was armed.


Uh huh, and what is even an armed principal going to do? A gunman breaks into a school and opens fire on a classroom. Even if the principal is able to magically instantly teleport themselves to the room where the gunman is and shoot him dead with his first shot, everyone else in the classroom is already dead. What, exactly, did the principal prevent in that case?

Tragedies are going to happen. Disasters are going to happen. Terrible things that you have absolutely no control over are going to happen. QUIT TRYING TO ACT LIKE YOU CAN WAVE A MAGIC WAND AND STOP THEM BECAUSE YOU CAN'T.
 
2013-01-16 11:23:31 AM

StrangeQ: Uh huh, and what is even an armed principal going to do? A gunman breaks into a school and opens fire on a classroom.


God you are dense. Did you even try to look up the story I was referring to? A place where there are no police and you really are on your own with your neighbors? You can't see, perhaps, a part of the country where  there being a problem where help is 30 minutes away? It doesn't need to be a nut shooting up a classroom, it could be a parent, a spouse or disgruntled student.

Do me a favor and stop using me as an excuse to spout your dogma. Better yet, block me as I am about to block you. Life is too short for derp with a small penis who is so insecure that he doesn't want to have an actual debate with someone who thinks a little differently (and, by the way, I am in no way in favor of police in all school).
 
2013-01-16 12:02:44 PM

xanadian:
....
AUGHAUAUGHGLGGH!!!! *runs off to rape shower*


You rape that shower. RAPE IT GOOD.
 
2013-01-16 12:06:59 PM

Tat'dGreaser: NY state took the plunge into crazy right away, MD says they're next.


All symbolism in NY. I do admire the tactlessness of all media outlets talking about New York was the first like it was some kind of contest.

At least people in NY who support this have no leg to stand on when it comes to other hastily passed laws.
Link
 
2013-01-16 12:19:56 PM
fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa fa far better. Run run run run run run run away
 
2013-01-16 12:33:00 PM

tin_man: xanadian: the House. the HHHHHHHouse.

Goddammitsomuch.

*backs away from keyboard*

This wouldn't have happened had you not had so much freedom to roam about at a young age.


It was all that smog.

...

Explains why I still have a smoker's cough, and I don't even smoke!

/although I *am* sssssssssssmokin'!!!

gunther_bumpass: xanadian:
....
AUGHAUAUGHGLGGH!!!! *runs off to rape shower*

You rape that shower. RAPE IT GOOD.


Legitimately, even.
 
2013-01-16 12:39:09 PM

Flakeloaf:

I have no idea what would happen if there were a school shooting in this town, but after Ecole Polytechnique (Misogynist coward kills 14 women), Concordia (mentally unstable professor kills four colleagues) and Dawson College (angry student who flunked out of basic training flipped his wig and killed one student) I'd say "probably not a whole lot". Our gun laws were adjusted to further restrict high-capacity magazines and small grassroots petitions to ban private handgun ownership were taken under advisement and happily ignored. When schizophrenic Jeffrey Arenburg shot local sportscaster Brian Williams, instead of banning the weapon he used we made it mandatory for potentially dangerous mental patients to receive treatment, including the forcible administration of psychoactive medication to control their symptoms (having known people on haldol it's no secret why schizophrenics don't want to regularly take their pills).
...


The aftermath of the Polytechnique murders I think actually shows some of the differences between Canadians and Americans. There was no real increase in "security theatre"-type measures as described in the article. Some of the survivors were involved in the gun control legislation that was passed, and Quebecers were among those most supportive of the long-gun registry (which was the only part of the legislation that raised widespread objections.) The other major change was in police response (ie go in rigt away instead of waiting for SWAT); these changes were credited with saving lives at Dawson.

Granted, these were college/university shootings. Who knows how we would react with little kids.
 
2013-01-16 01:05:29 PM

Flakeloaf: Oh there's breaking and entering. Just not breaking and entering and murdering (exceptions for violent gangs and retired judges with a history of annoying the legitimate businessmen's social club). Usually it's more like "break and enter and oh shiat dude people run". The takeaway is this: If you phone your husband to tell him there's somebody pounding on the door and he tells you with a straight face to get a gun and hide in the closet, nothing I know about how things ought to be would be of much help in that discussion and I probably should've expressed my opinion somewhere else. You have castle doctrine for a reason.


www.capitanhipower.com
"30-06. Because when trouble comes knockin', don't open the door. Farking shoot *through* it!
 
2013-01-16 01:10:56 PM
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