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(The New York Times)   Russian soldiers finally get to wear socks   (atwar.blogs.nytimes.com) divider line 22
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2013-01-16 08:55:07 AM
So, foot wraps are out? DNRTFA
 
2013-01-16 08:59:58 AM
Those foot bindings look uncomfortable
 
2013-01-16 09:05:36 AM
i1247.photobucket.com

That is a good thing, because they seem to have a tough time with shoes.....
 
2013-01-16 09:05:50 AM

abhorrent1: Those foot bindings look uncomfortable


They aren't too bad. What's more, the layering effect is better at keeping your feet warm and dry than socks. US, British, and German soldiers in the Second World War had pretty bad cases of trench-foot and frostbite on all fronts while the Ruskies fared better in that aspect thanks to their foot wraps.
 
2013-01-16 09:07:16 AM

Krowdaddy Chixdiggit: [i1247.photobucket.com image 681x1023]

That is a good thing, because they seem to have a tough time with shoes.....


She's wearing shoes? (Was basically a required response - just wanted to get it out of the way for the rest of the thread.)
 
2013-01-16 09:15:14 AM
I'm not wasting a NYT view to read an article about socks!
 
2013-01-16 09:16:12 AM
Heh. I first heard about portyanki in Army basic training. At the time, Russia was still the Soviet Union, and as such they were main theoretical enemy we might face. We were shown what was pretty obviously a Soviet propaganda film made sometime in the 1970s, which as I recall had an ideologically neutral English voice-over that pointed out things like them wrapping their portyanki, and the differences in training, tactics, military doctrine, weaponry, uniform, etc., as a sort-of "know your enemy" kind of thing.
 
2013-01-16 09:16:48 AM

Jim.Casy: I'm not wasting a NYT view to read an article about socks!


That's what it is.
 
2013-01-16 09:18:08 AM

tallen702: abhorrent1: Those foot bindings look uncomfortable

They aren't too bad. What's more, the layering effect is better at keeping your feet warm and dry than socks. US, British, and German soldiers in the Second World War had pretty bad cases of trench-foot and frostbite on all fronts while the Ruskies fared better in that aspect thanks to their foot wraps.


I read about this years ago, and when my National Guard unit went to cold weather training in February 1989 in Minnesota, I brought along two old flannel bedspreads, and showed my squad how to wrap their feet. Between the wraps and the Mickey Mouse boots,  our squad stayed warmer than any of the rest of our company. They work.
 
2013-01-16 09:23:32 AM

tallen702: abhorrent1: Those foot bindings look uncomfortable

They aren't too bad. What's more, the layering effect is better at keeping your feet warm and dry than socks. US, British, and German soldiers in the Second World War had pretty bad cases of trench-foot and frostbite on all fronts while the Ruskies fared better in that aspect thanks to their foot wraps.


Well, if you change your socks, and perhaps wear two (or more) pair in the winter, you generally don't have those problems. I've actually had a mild case of trench foot from a long weekend camping trip when I was a Boy Scout. Learned my lesson after that, but then, I wasn't in combat conditions at the time either.
 
2013-01-16 09:53:06 AM
l3.yimg.com

"Soviet power is a myth. Great show. There are no spare parts. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But you, you need to keep the Russian myth alive to maintain your military industrial complex. Your system depends on Russian being perceived as a mortal threat. It's not a threat. It was never a threat. It will never be a threat. It's a rotted, bloated cow."
 
2013-01-16 10:15:23 AM
men still learn to twirl portyanki
no more
 
2013-01-16 10:18:57 AM

simsite9: [l3.yimg.com image 261x400]

"Soviet power is a myth. Great show. There are no spare parts. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But you, you need to keep the Russian myth alive to maintain your military industrial complex. Your system depends on Russian being perceived as a mortal threat. It's not a threat. It was never a threat. It will never be a threat. It's a rotted, bloated cow."


That and overestimate the population by a factor of three or something (the Russians helped by claiming it themselves). The myth of Russian conventional power was very profitable to the military industrial complex (and probably helped keep the communists in power until Glastnost showed their own people the truth).
 
2013-01-16 10:59:38 AM

yet_another_wumpus: simsite9: [l3.yimg.com image 261x400]

"Soviet power is a myth. Great show. There are no spare parts. Nothing is working, nothing, it's nothing but painted rust. But you, you need to keep the Russian myth alive to maintain your military industrial complex. Your system depends on Russian being perceived as a mortal threat. It's not a threat. It was never a threat. It will never be a threat. It's a rotted, bloated cow."

That and overestimate the population by a factor of three or something (the Russians helped by claiming it themselves). The myth of Russian conventional power was very profitable to the military industrial complex (and probably helped keep the communists in power until Glastnost showed their own people the truth).


The Soviet Union wasn't just a paper tiger.

I was teeny-tiny part of the intelligence machine that kept an eye on them and other countries. We knew their capabilities pretty well, and they would have been a quite formidable adversary had we come to a direct shooting war. Look at the problems we had in the proxy wars fought during that time period, against people with the same ideology, and supplied with "monkey model" Soviet equipment.

That's not to say they would have necessarily *WON*, but it would have been very expensive for both sides.
 
2013-01-16 12:14:08 PM
BUT WHEN WILL THEY BE ALLOWED TO START WEARING UNDERWEAR???
 
2013-01-16 12:27:07 PM
www.rightwingnews.com
 
2013-01-16 12:27:39 PM

Walker: BUT WHEN WILL THEY BE ALLOWED TO START WEARING UNDERWEAR???


Are you referring to the Japanese soldiers of WWII? The US soldiers took plenty of photos of Jap soldiers stripped to their traditional wraps.
 
2013-01-16 01:06:04 PM
Great now some idiot in congress will go on about a sock gap and millions will be spent on developing new socks for the military.
 
2013-01-16 02:31:03 PM
I want to learn how to wrap foot diapers!
 
2013-01-16 10:42:45 PM
In basic training, they taught us that if we ever took Boris prisoner, we could use the foot wraps to tie him up. Honest to God, I couldn't picture what they were talking about.
 
2013-01-17 03:15:59 AM
Looks comfortable. Ever bought socks that were too tight?
 
2013-01-17 07:50:00 AM
Almost EXACTLY the same way they wrap their infants.

Babies seem to like it.
 
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