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(NewsMax)   One by one, red state governors capitulate on Obamacare   (newsmax.com) divider line 49
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2013-01-16 08:19:02 AM  
Ahh, yes.....the derp bravado was so nice while it lasted, but at some point they realized that there is no more poop to come out and they have to wipe their conservative butts.
 
2013-01-16 08:20:08 AM  
FTFA:
In her annual State of the State address, Brewer acknowledged the pragmatism behind her decision, saying she agreed to go with the expansion in order to receive the program's funds and create jobs for the people of Arizona.

Someone is lying, federal funds never, ever, ever, never create jobs.
 
2013-01-16 08:21:40 AM  
I'm pretty sure their stance against it was about posturing way more than actual feelings. As has been said a million times in a fark thread: this party was entirely in on this idea until the black guy agreed with them.
 
2013-01-16 08:21:58 AM  
Meh, from what I understand pretty much everyone who is "capitulating" is also putting in provisions to sever the expansion when the Federal Government pulls out its funds in the 2020's.
 
2013-01-16 08:22:21 AM  
Good luck convincing Brownback to let the poor people in Brownbackistan get enhanced Medicaid coverage. He's planning on eliminating both the personal and corporate income taxes in exchange for getting rid of exemptions on the sales tax.
 
2013-01-16 08:22:41 AM  
LULZ
 
2013-01-16 08:23:23 AM  

hinten: FTFA:
In her annual State of the State address, Brewer acknowledged the pragmatism behind her decision, saying she agreed to go with the expansion in order to receive the program's funds and create jobs for the people of Arizona.

Someone is lying, federal funds never, ever, ever, never create jobs.


Work does not equal jobs!!!
 
2013-01-16 08:24:09 AM  

hinten: FTFA:
In her annual State of the State address, Brewer acknowledged the pragmatism behind her decision, saying she agreed to go with the expansion in order to receive the program's funds and create jobs for the people of Arizona.

Someone is lying, federal funds never, ever, ever, never create jobs.


No no no - see when you're talking budget numbers cutting spending will not cost any jobs - when you're taking the money it creates jobs but only in your state - - - all those other states just waste it, but you.... you have the magic in you.
 
2013-01-16 08:24:38 AM  

hinten: FTFA:
In her annual State of the State address, Brewer acknowledged the pragmatism behind her decision, saying she agreed to go with the expansion in order to receive the program's funds and create jobs for the people of Arizona.

Someone is lying, federal funds never, ever, ever, never create jobs.


The great thing about that is that if the cult of the free market was right supply and demand would have long ago created those jobs as there was obviously demand for healthcare.
 
2013-01-16 08:24:44 AM  
Oh, cool! First aliens, now evidence of intelligent life in AZ!
 
2013-01-16 08:30:02 AM  

TimonC346: I'm pretty sure their stance against it was about posturing way more than actual feelings. As has been said a million times in a fark thread: this party was entirely in on this idea until the black guy agreed with them.


overplaying their hand has pretty much been the strategy of the republican party since the 90's
 
2013-01-16 08:38:19 AM  
Buncha GINOs.
 
2013-01-16 08:38:48 AM  
Capitulators!
Appeasers!
Surrender monkeys!
 
2013-01-16 08:41:16 AM  
The fact is that the expansion makes an enormous amount of sense -- financially and morally -- for the States.

Governors rejecting the expansion are doing it either to boost themselves politically or because they hate the president more than they love their fellow citizens.
 
2013-01-16 08:45:49 AM  
Dawn comes to Marblehead(s)
 
2013-01-16 08:46:29 AM  

eraser8: The fact is that the expansion makes an enormous amount of sense -- financially and morally -- for the States.

Governors rejecting the expansion are doing it either to boost themselves politically or because they hate the president more than they love their fellow citizenspoor people.


Let's not mince words here. Medicaid expansion is entirely about helping out poor people that, in many Republicans' eyes, are poor because they are bad people and refuse to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.
 
2013-01-16 08:50:21 AM  
GOP hypocrites? *gasp*
 
2013-01-16 08:51:21 AM  
boatloads of free federal money for poor people..who's against that?
 
2013-01-16 09:10:18 AM  

hinten: Someone is lying, federal funds never, ever, ever, never create jobs.


There is a subtle detail that makes it possible. If the governors channel federal funds directly to the pockets of wealthy investors then they become more wealthy. Therefore, their powers as job creators expand. Therefore, they are able to create more jobs through bootstrappyness and private enterprize alone.
 
2013-01-16 09:23:55 AM  

Serious Black: Let's not mince words here. Medicaid expansion is entirely about helping out poor people that, in many Republicans' eyes, are poor because they are bad people and refuse to pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.


I, for one, find it hard to believe that the same Republican party that rushed back to Washington in order enact emergency legislation to save the "life" of a woman in a persistent vegetative state would ignore the distress of millions of poor people.  All for political reasons.

It just strains credulity.

/in case it wasn't obvious, that was sarcasm
 
2013-01-16 09:24:10 AM  
What bugs me, frankly, is the idea that it's even up to some governor whether or not that state's citizens are allowed to participate in a federally-legislated program. "States' rights" has gotten waaaaay out of hand. With every passing year, I am more convinced that we need to dump the whole, crippled federal thing for a unitary governmental system where all the country's citizens have the same rights, responsibilities, opportunities, and access to programs and services, and where each of their votes is given the same weight. The states should function as administrative subdivisions of an actual nation, not as separate little kingdoms, two-thirds of them dysfunctional, and each with its own interpretation of what "America" is.
 
2013-01-16 09:28:55 AM  

Serious Black: Good luck convincing Brownback to let the poor people in Brownbackistan get enhanced Medicaid coverage. He's planning on eliminating both the personal and corporate income taxes in exchange for getting rid of exemptions on the sales tax.


You don't say. Uncle Piyush is doing much the same thing here in Louisiana.

He's doing his best to destroy the state before his final term expires.
 
2013-01-16 09:29:53 AM  
If Obamacare is inevitable, they may as well lie back and enjoy it.

You gonna get Medicaid.
 
2013-01-16 09:42:10 AM  
In other news, States must comply with federal law.
 
2013-01-16 09:54:03 AM  

Fizpez: hinten: FTFA:
In her annual State of the State address, Brewer acknowledged the pragmatism behind her decision, saying she agreed to go with the expansion in order to receive the program's funds and create jobs for the people of Arizona.

Someone is lying, federal funds never, ever, ever, never create jobs.

No no no - see when you're talking budget numbers cutting spending will not cost any jobs - when you're taking the money it creates jobs but only in your state - - - all those other states just waste it, but you.... you have the magic in you.


Reminds me of Paul Ryan. Claimed stimulus and such was not the right way to go, but Joe Biden reminded Paul that he was in posession of a request from Ryan asking for some of the money to help create jobs. I laughed when Biden told that to Ryan. It was freakin' awesome.
 
2013-01-16 10:03:54 AM  
A little advice from someone who has been implementing Obama(Romney)care for over 6 years:

Only accept original citizenshiip documents, not photocopies or faxes.

Do not allow "self-declarations" of income. (My boss won't write me a letter and I don't get a real payroll check, so...)

When the client says "the father he no live here", send someone over to see if (a) in fact he does, and (b) he doesn't drive an Escalade.

As far as the illegals question goes, it's tricky. HIPPA privacy laws forbid insurance exchanges from sharing info with ICS or INS, and those federal agencies are not about to become the first point of contact vetting the Obamacare applications. Long and short of it: a LOT of illegals are going to get health insurance.
 
2013-01-16 10:11:28 AM  

Barnstormer: Long and short of it: a LOT of illegals are going to get health insurance.


Good. Infectious diseases dont check for a green card.
 
2013-01-16 10:12:21 AM  

kukukupo: Meh, from what I understand pretty much everyone who is "capitulating" is also putting in provisions to sever the expansion when the Federal Government pulls out its funds in the 2020's.


If the politicians that are around in 2020 like their jobs, that won't be happening.
 
2013-01-16 10:28:27 AM  
Oh they'll take the money. Of course they'll take the money. Let's see how many of them bother with the exchanges though. 2014 is when the real Obamacare fun begins.
 
2013-01-16 10:30:25 AM  

mksmith: What bugs me, frankly, is the idea that it's even up to some governor whether or not that state's citizens are allowed to participate in a federally-legislated program. "States' rights" has gotten waaaaay out of hand. With every passing year, I am more convinced that we need to dump the whole, crippled federal thing for a unitary governmental system where all the country's citizens have the same rights, responsibilities, opportunities, and access to programs and services, and where each of their votes is given the same weight. The states should function as administrative subdivisions of an actual nation, not as separate little kingdoms, two-thirds of them dysfunctional, and each with its own interpretation of what "America" is.


And then one day the whole world can be one. One human race. One human nation. One human(?) leader.
 
2013-01-16 10:32:22 AM  

jigger: Oh they'll take the money. Of course they'll take the money. Let's see how many of them bother with the exchanges though. 2014 is when the real Obamacare fun begins.


Why do the Republican hate the free market?
 
2013-01-16 10:33:55 AM  
All derp and no action.
 
2013-01-16 10:37:02 AM  
FTFA: "I will not allow Obamacare to become a bait and switch," Brewer said.

I like how she says that like she has any power whatsoever over it.

And for those who say she obviously does because of the linked story, I'm guessing that she's doing that for the same reason most other governors will: because they don't want to pay for the uninsured themselves, public hospitals are telling them they're being stupid assholes and some of their stupid, uninsured constituents are inclined to vote Democrat because of it.

Turns out, most poor people value healthcare over petty political squabbles among rich white people.
 
2013-01-16 10:39:18 AM  
It liver how EVERY republicans governor asked for stimulus funds. If it was going to create zero jobs like they kept saying why did they ask for the money? Why did they help Obama "throw tax dollars away".
 
2013-01-16 10:41:15 AM  

jigger: Oh they'll take the money. Of course they'll take the money. Let's see how many of them bother with the exchanges though. 2014 is when the real Obamacare fun begins.


Why would the help Obamacare? You mean you admit at least some of the plan is good and helps people now?

Funny before you guys where saying it was all bad. I guess that was a lie.
 
2013-01-16 10:42:53 AM  

jigger: Oh they'll take the money. Of course they'll take the money. Let's see how many of them bother with the exchanges though. 2014 is when the real Obamacare fun begins.


Psst exchanges happen either way. Some republicans are just letting the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT do it instead of the state. Funny I thought republicans believed in"states rights" I guess that was a lie too.
 
2013-01-16 11:01:20 AM  
Insurance industry profit>their principles.

This is hardly news.
 
2013-01-16 11:13:44 AM  

Corvus: It liver how EVERY republicans governor asked for stimulus funds. If it was going to create zero jobs like they kept saying why did they ask for the money? Why did they help Obama "throw tax dollars away".


WTF did you say?
 
2013-01-16 11:18:05 AM  

jigger: mksmith: What bugs me, frankly, is the idea that it's even up to some governor whether or not that state's citizens are allowed to participate in a federally-legislated program. "States' rights" has gotten waaaaay out of hand. With every passing year, I am more convinced that we need to dump the whole, crippled federal thing for a unitary governmental system where all the country's citizens have the same rights, responsibilities, opportunities, and access to programs and services, and where each of their votes is given the same weight. The states should function as administrative subdivisions of an actual nation, not as separate little kingdoms, two-thirds of them dysfunctional, and each with its own interpretation of what "America" is.

And then one day the whole world can be one. One human race. One human nation. One human(?) leader.


Hopefully, yes. Sounds good -- if you're not terminally paranoid and xenophobic.
 
2013-01-16 11:21:06 AM  
fark you
 
2013-01-16 11:23:04 AM  
This is NewsMax, so you have to take it with a grain of salt, but...

It's nice that even republican governors sometimes do the right thing.
 
2013-01-16 11:38:20 AM  
If they don't capitulate then Mi$ter In$urance Lobbie$t Convinces them.
 
2013-01-16 01:13:55 PM  
She believes the expansion will give aid to those on the lowest rung of the state's economic ladder and will also provide assistance to hospitals and caregivers whose work has previously gone unpaid.

"And that makes me so angry!" she added.
 
2013-01-16 01:29:39 PM  
So is a hooded, black-robed Obama cackling, rubbing his hands together as he turns to Darth Vader and says "Good, good! Everything is falling into place according to my design!"?

Because that would be awesome.
 
2013-01-16 02:00:25 PM  
Well sure, they're in office now!

And really, from what I've heard, republican voters dont expect their politicians to tell the truth.
 
2013-01-16 02:36:35 PM  
ITT: groupthink
 
2013-01-16 02:47:05 PM  

Corvus: It liver how EVERY republicans governor asked for stimulus funds.


www.morethings.com
 
2013-01-16 08:15:48 PM  

homelessdude: Ahh, yes.....the derp bravado was so nice while it lasted, but at some point they realized that there is no more poop to come out and they have to wipe their conservative butts.


And wipe them on your mom's face.
 
2013-01-17 06:24:42 AM  
catchkevin.com


www.bluerepublican.org
 
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