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(Examiner)   Alex Jones claims Obama has met the rules of impeachment under Article II, Section IV of the Constitution; fortunately for everyone else, Jones seems to have skipped Article I, Section III   (examiner.com) divider line 73
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2013-01-16 10:17:24 AM
4 votes:

Fail in Human Form: Understandable, but when is it ok to "get mad"?


From a PR standpoint, related to this issue... it will never be ok to "get mad". The last thing the gun lobby should want is for any spokesman (official or not) to appear to be anything but calm and reasonable.

As a group of individuals that wishes to maintain laws that allow lethal weapons to be readily available to the general public, you cannot appear out of control of your own emotions. Angry people are far more likely to do violence to their fellow man than calm and reasonable people. This is basic stuff.
2013-01-16 12:57:37 PM
3 votes:
Anything coming from Alex Jones can be summarily dismissed.

Allow me to explain:

Alex Jones says, "_______".

It's bullshiat.

Alex Jones says, "_______".

It's bullshiat.

Alex Jones says, "_______".

It's bullshiat.

And that's exactly how it works.
2013-01-16 10:07:29 AM
3 votes:

Fail in Human Form: There's a difference between reporting on and having wall to wall coverage that promotes their agenda. Don't believe me? Look at all the other causes of death, or legitimate defensive uses of firearms, and see how much media coverage they get.


I wouldn't be so quick to attribute an agenda to it when the more plausible reason is a deeply flawed news media in general.  Sensationalism sells.  And that story sold itself.  It was far more interesting and shocking to the mass audience than a discussion about Chicago's ridiculous rate of gun deaths.  Or the horrors occurring in Syria.  Or the consequences of a coup in Pakistan.  Or...
2013-01-16 10:02:03 AM
3 votes:
FTFA: " Short of a major bombshell revelation, any impeachment proceeding would likely be viewed by most Americans as an exercise in both political bitterness by Republicans, and paranoia by conspiracy theorists."
2013-01-16 09:10:44 AM
3 votes:

dittybopper: DrPainMD: I can't think of a president who hasn't met the requirements for impeachment.

James Garfield.

Hard to fark things up too badly when you're only in office for 6 months.


William Henry Harrison.
2013-01-16 04:42:58 AM
3 votes:
I can't think of a president who hasn't met the requirements for impeachment.
2013-01-16 12:48:01 PM
2 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: cameroncrazy1984: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.

Providing incentives for schools to hire "resource officers" is not the same as requiring all schools to have armed security on campus.

No, but it's damn close. And considering the whole concept of having armed guards in schools was thoroughly trashed when the NRA proposed it (personally I think it was stupid then and now), and anyone who supported it was labeled insane, you guys have an uncomfortable 180 to do.


Only your strawman has a 180 to do.
2013-01-16 12:26:03 PM
2 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gun control drones - "Hey, we can't seem to form a rational argument against gun ownership. There are simply no facts or statistics backing our position. What should we do?"

Gun control drum-beater - "Find a crazy person on their side, then try to associate him with everyone who disagrees with us, we need to poison that well. Oh, and don't ever try to argue against 2nd amendment supporters' facts, it'll just provide any undecided people the opportunity to realize that we're just pandering to emotions, and our gun control plan won't do what we say it will. Just call them names, or pretend they said something else."


Since you already got a number of hits, I won't look like a total n00b by responding to your troll. I guess I need that for my self confidence*.

But.. some gun-control drum-beaters mention:
1 - gun ownership is strongly correlated to number of homicides, both across states and across first world countries
2 - the leading cause of violent child death is due to guns in the house
3 - guns are 4-10 times more likely to be used in the commission of a crime than in the prevention of one
4 - gun-rights advocates seem to only be able to pull out "examples" rather than provide statistics. I have yet to see a single statistic that does not clearly show that every gun sold in the US causes more harm than it solves. Gun-control works across the world to reduce gun ownership rates and homicides, as well as a variety of crimes.
5 - and if examples are the only language a gun-rights advocate understands, then maybe they should look at crime statistics for Kennesaw, GA (a strange example where forcing guns on people is seen as advocating gun rights) versus Newtown, CT (which has CT's stricter gun control laws). Surprisingly, rates are far lower for nearly all crimes in Newtown. Homicides have had a recent spike, but I doubt gun-rights advocates want to explore the causes of that too closely.

* or a gun

/sad that gun-rights advocates seem to have swallowed whole a number of made-up statistics over the year instead of actual scholarly research
//which shows clearly guns do more harm than good, along many scientific metrics
2013-01-16 12:24:58 PM
2 votes:

LasersHurt: Fail in Human Form:

Thanks for the list, that is very helpful. Seems like a very thoughtful set of ideas.


Don't worry, I'm sure the NRA will tell us that it's the WORST. POSSIBLE. THING.
2013-01-16 10:55:30 AM
2 votes:
"Bringing frivolous charges of impeachment" really ought to be sufficient grounds to impeach a legislator.
2013-01-16 10:43:58 AM
2 votes:

someonelse: The NRA makes its millions from memberships and donations. Their whole business model is to appeal to the "low information" demographic, and stoke their fears. They're not worried about losing the memberships of moderate, non-insane gun owners, because where else are those people gonna go? But they can draw in new money by trying to get more and more idiots scared enough of jack-booted government gun-takers that they'll open their wallets.


But the NRA also strives to curb legislation on gun control. It's much harder to do that if you look increasingly nutjobbier every time you let Wayne out of his cage and put him in front of non-believers. In order to effectively control a politician you have to do it not only with donation money, but also with the threat that you'll publicly expose their unpatriotic beliefs with a poor "report card".

The rank and file lifelong members of the NRA will always be members and they will believe as they're told. The real fight in this modern era is for thos mid-high info gun owners and the public perception that will allow the NRA to function as the guardian of the 2nd Amendment that it claims to be.
2013-01-16 10:34:00 AM
2 votes:

Fail in Human Form: Koalaesq: Fail in Human Form: The NRA didn't say a word after the shooting, until the media went full retard and they had to respond. The NRA isn't the group that writes its legislation, gleefully, in the blood of the dead before the bodies are even cold.

Yes, blame THE MEDIA for reporting on 26 dead schoolkids. Non-issue; didn't deserve all that coverage. It was just manufactured outrage; no normal person really cared about the dead kids or wanted gun control change because of it. All the media's fault.

Keep telling yourself these little lies if they make you feel better.

There's a difference between reporting on and having wall to wall coverage that promotes their agenda. Don't believe me? Look at all the other causes of death, or legitimate defensive uses of firearms, and see how much media coverage they get.


You're right. I'm sickened by the fact that the media refuses to cover the 20 people who died in a mass killing where the killer just used soup spoons. Because soup spoons are tools in the exact same way that guns are tools....TOOLS OF THE DEAD! But then again, we don't ban soup spoons from schools, so maybe that's why there have not been any soup spoon mass killings recently. But you would think that since every school has soup spoons (and I bet some cafeteria workers probably are carrying concealed soup spoons) that those very same soup spoons would prevent mass killings by other tools...like football-helment shaped eraser mass killings.

Stupid liberal media.
2013-01-16 10:10:04 AM
2 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gun control drones - "Hey, we can't seem to form a rational argument against gun ownership. There are simply no facts or statistics backing our position."


Fark JUST had an article saying that a gun was 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder. Bam! There's your fact and/or statistic. You're welcome.

The truth is, most people are far too stupid to be trusted with lethal weaponry. We have to put warning labels on bleach saying "Do not drink". It's BLEACH! The absolute mind-boggling stupidity of the average person can never be overstated. That is what scares gun control proponents, that the gigantic force of 250 million+ complete idiots living in America having weapons of such power is dangerous to the other 50 million of us.

What needs to be done is requiring a license to own a gun, that must be renewed every year. In America we require driving licenses to drive (although those need renewing as well). We also require a license renewed every single year to perform CPR, which is so easy to perform that most children can pull it off after watching it on TV. If we can require people to get certified as smart enough to CPR, then we can require people to prove that they can be trusted with instant death in the palms of their hands.

PS: Amusingly enough, I'm also in favor of arming teachers. My mother grew up in Chicago, with armed teachers, and nobody tried a goddamn thing there. There's never been an inner-city school shooting. There's a reason for that. "Gun-Free zone" is codeword for "Defenseless".
2013-01-16 10:09:46 AM
2 votes:

Fail in Human Form: The NRA isn't the group that writes its legislation,


lulz
2013-01-16 10:03:32 AM
2 votes:

Fail in Human Form: Philip Francis Queeg: Fail in Human Form: Philip Francis Queeg: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gun control drones - "Hey, we can't seem to form a rational argument against gun ownership. There are simply no facts or statistics backing our position. What should we do?"

Gun control drum-beater - "Find a crazy person on their side, then try to associate him with everyone who disagrees with us, we need to poison that well. Oh, and don't ever try to argue against 2nd amendment supporters' facts, it'll just provide any undecided people the opportunity to realize that we're just pandering to emotions, and our gun control plan won't do what we say it will. Just call them names, or pretend they said something else."

Would you prefer that we listen to Wayne Lapierre when he tell us gun owners cannot be trusted to follow gun laws and that they pose such a grave threat that every school in the country must be provided with armed guards to protect the children from gun owners?

Mass shootings are fairly rare, though they do get a lot of media attention. Many of my fellow lefties have gun control as a pet issue and enjoy nothing more than standing on the bodies of dead kids so they can push their pet agenda. The rest who hop onto the band wagon during the media blitz are just useful idiots.

Wayme Lapierre is a lefty now?

The NRA didn't say a word after the shooting, until the media went full retard and they had to respond. The NRA isn't the group that writes its legislation, gleefully, in the blood of the dead before the bodies are even cold.


Yes the violent deaths of 20 first graders shouldn't be news at all. The NRA should have maintained their silence until Lanza was officially inducted into the "Cold Dead Hands" Hall of Fame later this year.
2013-01-16 10:00:34 AM
2 votes:

Fail in Human Form: The NRA didn't say a word after the shooting, until the media went full retard and they had to respond. The NRA isn't the group that writes its legislation, gleefully, in the blood of the dead before the bodies are even cold.


Yes, blame THE MEDIA for reporting on 26 dead schoolkids. Non-issue; didn't deserve all that coverage. It was just manufactured outrage; no normal person really cared about the dead kids or wanted gun control change because of it. All the media's fault.

Keep telling yourself these little lies if they make you feel better.
2013-01-16 09:46:15 AM
2 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gun control drones - "Hey, we can't seem to form a rational argument against gun ownership. There are simply no facts or statistics backing our position. What should we do?"

Gun control drum-beater - "Find a crazy person on their side, then try to associate him with everyone who disagrees with us, we need to poison that well. Oh, and don't ever try to argue against 2nd amendment supporters' facts, it'll just provide any undecided people the opportunity to realize that we're just pandering to emotions, and our gun control plan won't do what we say it will. Just call them names, or pretend they said something else."


What a totally confident gun lobby with legally sound positions does when it's totally confident and just being attacked by opportunist anti-gun zealots does, you guys.
2013-01-16 09:35:08 AM
2 votes:
Speaking of both Presidents who have had Articles of Impeachment passed against them: Interestingly, both presidents were Democrats and, in both cases, impeachment proceedings were initiated by a Republican-controlled House in a highly-polarized political environment.

Interesting, but not surprising.
2013-01-16 09:32:03 AM
2 votes:

Bigdogdaddy: I thought the impeachment against Clinton was bs. however I would not have wanted a Rmoney presidency but if he banned any firearms by executive order, I would not be sad to see him impeached and convicted.


Translation: Assault weapons highest form of patriotic.
2013-01-16 09:31:13 AM
2 votes:
Jones also skipped the day that God was handing out sanity.
2013-01-16 09:28:19 AM
2 votes:
I predict every Republican House will impeach every Democratic president who is re-elected to a second term.
2013-01-16 03:27:44 PM
1 votes:

qorkfiend: d23: The party that are "physical conservatives" are going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars by forcing a senate trial that can't possibly go anywhere because it's initiated only because they don't like him.

Stop calling the GOP conservative. It's total bullshiat.

Eh. It won't even get that far; without some actual wrongdoing (even though the investigation was politically motivated bullshiat, Clinton did commit perjury) they'll never get enough Democrats to reach the two-thirds vote requirement for articles of impeachment.


Actually, no. No he didn't.
2013-01-16 02:48:40 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Biological Ali: BraveNewCheneyWorld: quiotu: The NRA were suggesting the placement of US soldiers and policemen in schools. Don't move the goalpost.

If their duty is to protect the kids from mass shootings, does it really matter who signs their paycheck? Yes, a school resource officer isn't EXACTLY the same thing, but it's close enough. Honestly, your level of hair splitting is laughable.

Helping out schools who want resource officers (along with counselors and other support staff) but may lack the resources to do so (with additionally no requirement that these people be armed) is not even remotely "close" to the NRA's suggestion.

So... you don't know what a school resource officer is.. Ok then.


You jumped the gun - that's quite understandable. You saw something that you thought was a perfect "Gotcha!" - maybe you were blinded by the word "officer" or something, who knows - but it turned out not to be the case.

Just let it go and move on. Ideally with some sort of mea culpa - people get respect for admitting mistakes.
2013-01-16 01:55:50 PM
1 votes:
Alex Jones vehemently claims that I am a medium-sized, four-legged tapestry cosmetics bag with brass frames and clasp, that follows him meekly everywhere he goes.

Obviously, cosmetics bags cannot use computer keyboards, so what does that tell you?
2013-01-16 01:38:36 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: cameroncrazy1984: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.

Providing incentives for schools to hire "resource officers" is not the same as requiring all schools to have armed security on campus.

No, but it's damn close. And considering the whole concept of having armed guards in schools was thoroughly trashed when the NRA proposed it (personally I think it was stupid then and now), and anyone who supported it was labeled insane, you guys have an uncomfortable 180 to do.


Translation:

"Area Man Passionate Critic of what he Imagines President Obama's Executive Order to be"
2013-01-16 01:31:23 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: cameroncrazy1984: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.

Providing incentives for schools to hire "resource officers" is not the same as requiring all schools to have armed security on campus.

No, but it's damn close. And considering the whole concept of having armed guards in schools was thoroughly trashed when the NRA proposed it (personally I think it was stupid then and now), and anyone who supported it was labeled insane, you guys have an uncomfortable 180 to do.


How so? Many schools have resource officers - not all are armed btw. Columbine had an armed resource officer, if I recall correctly. Allowing and supporting a school to hire one if they want one, is NOT the same as saying every school must have one. Though I'm still against it - I'm tired of the erosion of childhood, and going to school in an armed fortress is not something I'd have wanted for my kid when she was younger.
2013-01-16 01:31:00 PM
1 votes:
can we stop making this guy richer?
2013-01-16 12:56:24 PM
1 votes:
what a resource officer may look like:

www.imfdb.org
2013-01-16 12:48:57 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.


Nah, I still think it's not the best idea. After all, we've been told repeatedly that, why if these assault weapons were banned, the crazies would just make BOMBS, because highly lethal and highly destructive bombs are Super Easy to make without any issue.

As such, unless the armed guards contain a bomb sniffing dog for every school 24/7, the crazies who want to murder a lot of people can just craft a bomb and place it outside of school hours, and the armed guards won't be able to stop them!
2013-01-16 12:34:18 PM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.


Providing incentives for schools to hire "resource officers" is not the same as requiring all schools to have armed security on campus.
2013-01-16 12:32:01 PM
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: So you're basically just making things up?


Did I sleep through the torture trials? The Rodriguez prosecution? The cessation of warrantless wiretapping and whatever the hell it actually is that the NSA is sweeping, and what they're doing with it? The report to Congress of hostilities taken against Libya?

No, I'm not making things up. I just don't apply a partisan standard to the need for accountability and the value of the rule of law.
2013-01-16 12:20:00 PM
1 votes:

Hung Like A Tic-Tac: Wow, 23 executive orders signed...


The following is a list, provided by the White House, of executive actions President Obama plans to take to address gun violence.
1. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.
2. Address unnecessary legal barriers, particularly relating to the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act, that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.
3. Improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.
4. Direct the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.
5. Propose rulemaking to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.
6. Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers.
7. Launch a national safe and responsible gun ownership campaign.
8. Review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes (Consumer Product Safety Commission).
9. Issue a Presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations.
10. Release a DOJ report analyzing information on lost and stolen guns and make it widely available to law enforcement.
11. Nominate an ATF director.
12. Provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.
13. Maximize enforcement efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime.
14. Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.
15. Direct the Attorney General to issue a report on the availability and most effective use of new gun safety technologies and challenge the private sector to develop innovative technologies.
16. Clarify that the Affordable Care Act does not prohibit doctors asking their patients about guns in their homes.
17. Release a letter to health care providers clarifying that no federal law prohibits them from reporting threats of violence to law enforcement authorities.
18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.
19. Develop model emergency response plans for schools, houses of worship and institutions of higher education.
20. Release a letter to state health officials clarifying the scope of mental health services that Medicaid plans must cover.
21. Finalize regulations clarifying essential health benefits and parity requirements within ACA exchanges.
22. Commit to finalizing mental health parity regulations.
23. Launch a national dialogue led by Secretaries Sebelius and Duncan on mental health.

He basically threw it back onto congress. I'm not thrilled, but this isn't nearly as bad as it could have been.
2013-01-16 12:14:42 PM
1 votes:

Karma Curmudgeon: -The War Crimes Act
-Laws prohibiting the destruction of evidence by CIA personnel of War Crimes Act violations l
-The War Powers Act
-The Fourth Amendment prohibitions against unreasonable and/or unwarranted searches and seizures.


So you're basically just making things up?
2013-01-16 12:07:03 PM
1 votes:
Obama has met the criteria for impeachment by failing to meet the Article II, Section 3 requirement to take Care that the following Laws be faithfully executed:

-The War Crimes Act
-Laws prohibiting the destruction of evidence by CIA personnel of War Crimes Act violations l
-The War Powers Act
-The Fourth Amendment prohibitions against unreasonable and/or unwarranted searches and seizures.

Prepare the Articles on those grounds, Republican douches, and I'll be right behind you. Otherwise, take 20 minutes to study the how the response to the Shays Rebellion differed from that to the Whiskey Rebellion to learn what the 2nd Amendment actually meant in the context of the times in which it was written. Hint: your imagined right to a semi-automatic weapon and 30 bullet magazines has nothing to do with it.
2013-01-16 11:51:36 AM
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: cameroncrazy1984: Fail in Human Form: cameroncrazy1984: Fail in Human Form: Yes and yes (I should be able to pass a NCIS check and walk out with a select fire/SBR/SBS/Silencer/ect) TYVM

So you have zero idea why the National Firearms Act was passed and why full-auto or select-fire weapons are a REALLY BAD IDEA in the hands of civilians?

I pointed out why, and I disagree with your assertion.

You disagree that gangster violence in the 30s actually happened prior to the the 1934 NFA?

I agree that it happened, disagree that it justified a ban. Removing prohibition of alcohol would have been the proper solution.


Question: how many full-auto spree shootings have there been since the ban?
2013-01-16 11:50:35 AM
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: cameroncrazy1984: Fail in Human Form: cameroncrazy1984: And I don't hear anyone calling for the repeal of the National Firearms Act.

*Waves*

Hi how ya doin?

Do you even know what the National Firearms act actually is and what precipitated its passage?

Yes and yes (I should be able to pass a NCIS check and walk out with a select fire/SBR/SBS/Silencer/ect) TYVM

/The drug runners are today are running pot, end the drug war. Didn't work during prohibition, won't work now.


I can see it now. A fully auto M4 with grenade launcher and acog 4 scope for everyone. I feel like anti-gun control people are so fearful that there is a slippery slope to them eventually only being able to arm themselves with an official red ryder bb gun with a compass in in the stock and a thing that tells time.
You all have lost all common sense. You don't need a 30 round banana clip. You do need to lock your weapons at all times. You do not need high incendiary thermonuclear exploding bullets. You do not need a silencer or a flash suppressor.
2013-01-16 11:50:33 AM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Fail in Human Form: Understandable, but when is it ok to "get mad"?

That's a much broader question.  All I can say is if I'm mad, and I want people to know it and take me seriously, I will try to use a voice or look to another voice that can be taken seriously.  In all things, if you want to get traction on an issue, you have to be heard by the people who don't share your opinion.

More specific to the topic at hand, that's why I just don't understand the NRA's strategy here.


The NRA's strategy is to sell more guns. Increasing the level of fear and paranoia works wonders in that regard.
2013-01-16 11:33:49 AM
1 votes:
If someone tells you they listen to Alex Jones, it's a good indication that they're an idiot who isn't worth your time.
2013-01-16 11:30:21 AM
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: Fart_Machine: toomuchwhargarbl: Fail in Human Form: someonelse: I'm not normally a big fan of using the blatantly crazy guy to represent a whole position on an issue. But, serious question: What is the difference between Jones' position on gun control and the NRA's position?

He gets demonized because of his conspiracy theories, it allows people who don't want to listen to just dismiss him out of hand.

Since aggressive conspiracy theorism represents a person heavily prone to critical flaws in reasoning
capability (Confirmation Bias), it's a perfectly legitimate reason to dismiss someone's opinions out of hand.

The broken clock being right twice a day is not a good argument for using one to tell time.

This is the same asshole who claims that Newtown was a false flag operation to confiscate firearms. Anyone who takes Alex Jones seriously is just as nutty as he is.

He justifies his belief by quoting something called "Operation Gladio" where we supposedly did the same thing in Europe.


So his justification is another conspiracy theory. Brilliant!
2013-01-16 11:29:36 AM
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: Mercutio74: Fail in Human Form: Not trolling, I believe exactly what I say.

Except that the scolding preposterous response from the NRA made the media's gibberish look like the work of a Rhodes Scholar. I think even a cursory look at the issue, especially as it relates to the recent school shooting(s), suggests that there aren't a lot of mainstream media voices from either side of the issue making a ton of sense.

It's been a pure withdrawal into tired rhetoric from both sides, and neither one has a chance of being the "solution" to a problem that probably has more cultural causes than legislative ones.

That's because the NRA has refused to let people use this tragedy to force them into "giving in". If I feel I've given up far to much already, and you cry for more, what's left to fill time on the 24/7 news channels other than rhetoric?


What exactly have you given up? your right to a fully automatic? i feel so bad for you. I really do.
2013-01-16 11:20:31 AM
1 votes:

toomuchwhargarbl: Fail in Human Form: someonelse: I'm not normally a big fan of using the blatantly crazy guy to represent a whole position on an issue. But, serious question: What is the difference between Jones' position on gun control and the NRA's position?

He gets demonized because of his conspiracy theories, it allows people who don't want to listen to just dismiss him out of hand.

Since aggressive conspiracy theorism represents a person heavily prone to critical flaws in reasoning
capability (Confirmation Bias), it's a perfectly legitimate reason to dismiss someone's opinions out of hand.

The broken clock being right twice a day is not a good argument for using one to tell time.


This is the same asshole who claims that Newtown was a false flag operation to confiscate firearms. Anyone who takes Alex Jones seriously is just as nutty as he is.
2013-01-16 11:17:01 AM
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: Somacandra: Fail in Human Form: You want to ban many, if not all, weapons from civilian hands.

This is what paranoids actually believe, and I should know.

/former NRA member

Fudd like typing detected.


If you're not an NRA acolyte then you're a fudd. Purge the heretic!
2013-01-16 11:16:21 AM
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: someonelse: I'm not normally a big fan of using the blatantly crazy guy to represent a whole position on an issue. But, serious question: What is the difference between Jones' position on gun control and the NRA's position?

He gets demonized because of his conspiracy theories, it allows people who don't want to listen to just dismiss him out of hand.


Since aggressive conspiracy theorism represents a person heavily prone to critical flaws in reasoning
capability (Confirmation Bias), it's a perfectly legitimate reason to dismiss someone's opinions out of hand.

The broken clock being right twice a day is not a good argument for using one to tell time.
2013-01-16 11:05:28 AM
1 votes:
By the way, before you bunch of lavatory bowls get any ideas, Homocrat Hydra is the name of my next band. Not yours.
2013-01-16 11:05:11 AM
1 votes:

justtray: No one is saying they're going to start shooting people though.


Uh, several people have threatened they'll start shooting people. Including one who threatened to do so if things went any farther.
2013-01-16 11:03:26 AM
1 votes:
As I understand it, its Vice-President Fartbiden who was appointed in charge of these gun committee/recommendations. He is supposed to give them to President Balrog Hussein ChairMAO Fartbongo al-Chicago. If these recommendations include 'violations' of the Constitution, then shouldn't Biden be impeached and convicted  first since he originated the violations? You'd have to do that anyway because otherwise Biden would just become President if Fartbongo was impeached and convicted. Biden would have to be removed first, then any nomination to the V.P. slot (a la Gerald Ford) would be blocked by the House of  Representatives. Then you get that pesky 'Sheriff Near' out of office with another trial and.....voila! We finally have  President Boner and can get some real derp done passed into law. This is the problem for the House Republicans. They don't think these things through first. If you take the Fartbongo down first, the Fartbiden merely rises to takes its place in the Homocrat Hydra.
2013-01-16 11:01:20 AM
1 votes:
Uranus is Huge! claims Alex Jones has met the rules of involuntary commitment to a mental institution according to statutes in all fifty states
2013-01-16 10:57:54 AM
1 votes:

coeyagi: Whiskey Pete: I_Am_Weasel: Mike_LowELL: Submitter seems to have skipped Article VI, Section XII, which says "those who provide taxation without representation" are not allowed to be president, and "the Founding Fathers are rolling in their grave at the sight of this Taxbongo".

I thought you were crazy, then I went to a constitution website, used CTRL-F and entered "Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves at the sight of this Taxbongo" and... there it was.

You learn something new every day.

Yes. The founding fathers dreamed of a semi-literate society of morbidly obese gun hicks.

Just to put that in graphical representation:

These Guys:

[pakistanisforpeace.files.wordpress.com image 850x850]

Are Very Proud of These Guys:

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 504x604]

And who wouldn't be?

"P
A
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I

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T


I

C

DESCENDING!"


Those are the founding grandfathers, the true founding fathers are Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman. We all know how they felt about Southerners and states rights.
2013-01-16 10:57:41 AM
1 votes:

Koalaesq: InmanRoshi: Koalaesq: In today's linked article, we learn that a bitter and delusional man is attempting a petty revenge against the president that the president will never even hear about, let alone be affected by.

Wow. This is some New York Times-level sh*t right there.

Partially true, but Alex Jones is more of a huckster snake-oil charlatan taking money from bitter and delusional men.

I dunno, you might be right, but I think these guys end up believing their own lies after a while. They feed into their own psychosis, as it were



He used to be a "true believer". He started out with just a public access show in Austin doing this out of personal passion. He successfully spearheaded a fundraising campaign to rebuild the Branch Davidian as a memorial. He was a RON PAUL supporter in the 90's before all the cool were doing it.

Then he found out you can make a lot of money doing this stuff and now it's about as cynical as it gets. Today he's mostly concerned about self promotion and building his conspiracy mogul empire. When I heard he was going to be on CNN/Piers Morgan, I knew right away he was going to create a spectacle to get people talking about him.
2013-01-16 10:42:15 AM
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: You want to ban many, if not all, weapons from civilian hands.


This is what paranoids actually believe, and I should know.

/former NRA member
2013-01-16 10:39:16 AM
1 votes:

snowshovel: Fail in Human Form: Koalaesq: Fail in Human Form: The NRA didn't say a word after the shooting, until the media went full retard and they had to respond. The NRA isn't the group that writes its legislation, gleefully, in the blood of the dead before the bodies are even cold.

Yes, blame THE MEDIA for reporting on 26 dead schoolkids. Non-issue; didn't deserve all that coverage. It was just manufactured outrage; no normal person really cared about the dead kids or wanted gun control change because of it. All the media's fault.

Keep telling yourself these little lies if they make you feel better.

There's a difference between reporting on and having wall to wall coverage that promotes their agenda. Don't believe me? Look at all the other causes of death, or legitimate defensive uses of firearms, and see how much media coverage they get.

You're right. I'm sickened by the fact that the media refuses to cover the 20 people who died in a mass killing where the killer just used soup spoons. Because soup spoons are tools in the exact same way that guns are tools....TOOLS OF THE DEAD! But then again, we don't ban soup spoons from schools, so maybe that's why there have not been any soup spoon mass killings recently. But you would think that since every school has soup spoons (and I bet some cafeteria workers probably are carrying concealed soup spoons) that those very same soup spoons would prevent mass killings by other tools...like football-helment shaped eraser mass killings.

Stupid liberal media.


Look, just be honest. You want to ban many, if not all, weapons from civilian hands. At least then we can have an honest discussion about the issue.
2013-01-16 10:39:02 AM
1 votes:
Alex Jones claims...

Yeah, stopped right there. This guy is a farking idiot and couldn't care less what he has to say about anything.
2013-01-16 10:37:22 AM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: we only have 12,000 gun deaths, most of which are gang related and many with illegally obtained guns, MOST people are very responsible with their guns. In fact, those who aren't are a minuscule minority relatively speaking.


upload.wikimedia.org

Gee,where have I heard this misleading bullshiat before?
2013-01-16 10:32:45 AM
1 votes:
Well the Birth Certificate didn't go anywhere, Benghazi was a non-starter, and Romney was a bust. Time to pull something else out of their asses.
2013-01-16 10:29:14 AM
1 votes:

Mercutio74: From a PR standpoint, related to this issue... it will never be ok to "get mad". The last thing the gun lobby should want is for any spokesman (official or not) to appear to be anything but calm and reasonable.


The NRA makes its millions from memberships and donations. Their whole business model is to appeal to the "low information" demographic, and stoke their fears. They're not worried about losing the memberships of moderate, non-insane gun owners, because where else are those people gonna go? But they can draw in new money by trying to get more and more idiots scared enough of jack-booted government gun-takers that they'll open their wallets.
2013-01-16 10:25:10 AM
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: Understandable, but when is it ok to "get mad"?


That's a much broader question.  All I can say is if I'm mad, and I want people to know it and take me seriously, I will try to use a voice or look to another voice that can be taken seriously.  In all things, if you want to get traction on an issue, you have to be heard by the people who don't share your opinion.

More specific to the topic at hand, that's why I just don't understand the NRA's strategy here.
2013-01-16 10:22:59 AM
1 votes:

InmanRoshi: Koalaesq: In today's linked article, we learn that a bitter and delusional man is attempting a petty revenge against the president that the president will never even hear about, let alone be affected by.

Wow. This is some New York Times-level sh*t right there.

Partially true, but Alex Jones is more of a huckster snake-oil charlatan taking money from bitter and delusional men.


I dunno, you might be right, but I think these guys end up believing their own lies after a while. They feed into their own psychosis, as it were
2013-01-16 10:18:42 AM
1 votes:

Insaniteus: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gun control drones - "Hey, we can't seem to form a rational argument against gun ownership. There are simply no facts or statistics backing our position."

Fark JUST had an article saying that a gun was 43 times more likely to kill a family member than an intruder. Bam! There's your fact and/or statistic. You're welcome.


That statistic was shown to be untrue in that thread.

Insaniteus: The truth is, most people are far too stupid to be trusted with lethal weaponry.


Considering the fact that there's about 200,000,000 people in this country who have access to guns, and we only have 12,000 gun deaths, most of which are gang related and many with illegally obtained guns, MOST people are very responsible with their guns. In fact, those who aren't are a minuscule minority relatively speaking.

Insaniteus: What needs to be done is requiring a license to own a gun, that must be renewed every year.


I see no reason why that would make anyone safer.

Insaniteus: PS: Amusingly enough, I'm also in favor of arming teachers. My mother grew up in Chicago, with armed teachers, and nobody tried a goddamn thing there. There's never been an inner-city school shooting. There's a reason for that. "Gun-Free zone" is codeword for "Defenseless".


I'm not in favor of arming teachers, but I think they shouldn't be forbidden from being armed. It should be their choice.
2013-01-16 10:10:38 AM
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Fail in Human Form: someonelse: I'm not normally a big fan of using the blatantly crazy guy to represent a whole position on an issue. But, serious question: What is the difference between Jones' position on gun control and the NRA's position?

He gets demonized because of his conspiracy theories, it allows people who don't want to listen to just dismiss him out of hand.


You didn't answer my question.
2013-01-16 10:03:35 AM
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form:
The NRA didn't say a word after the shooting, until the media went full retard and they had to respond. The NRA isn't the group that writes its legislation, gleefully, in the blood of the dead before the bodies are even cold.

8/10. You'll get some good bites on that one
2013-01-16 10:01:50 AM
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NateGrey: JAMES YEAGER (1/9/2013): fark that. I'm telling you that if that happens, it's going to spark a Civil War, and I'll be glad to fire the first shot. ... I'm not farking putting up with this, I'm not letting my country be ruled by a dictator, I'm not letting anybody take my guns! If it goes one inch further, I'm going to start killing people!

Link

Gun owners are so sane and rational.


Some are. Some are assholes.
2013-01-16 09:56:30 AM
1 votes:

JAMES YEAGER (1/9/2013): fark that. I'm telling you that if that happens, it's going to spark a Civil War, and I'll be glad to fire the first shot. ... I'm not farking putting up with this, I'm not letting my country be ruled by a dictator, I'm not letting anybody take my guns! If it goes one inch further, I'm going to start killing people!


Link

Gun owners are so sane and rational.
2013-01-16 09:56:19 AM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: Fail in Human Form: Philip Francis Queeg: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gun control drones - "Hey, we can't seem to form a rational argument against gun ownership. There are simply no facts or statistics backing our position. What should we do?"

Gun control drum-beater - "Find a crazy person on their side, then try to associate him with everyone who disagrees with us, we need to poison that well. Oh, and don't ever try to argue against 2nd amendment supporters' facts, it'll just provide any undecided people the opportunity to realize that we're just pandering to emotions, and our gun control plan won't do what we say it will. Just call them names, or pretend they said something else."

Would you prefer that we listen to Wayne Lapierre when he tell us gun owners cannot be trusted to follow gun laws and that they pose such a grave threat that every school in the country must be provided with armed guards to protect the children from gun owners?

Mass shootings are fairly rare, though they do get a lot of media attention. Many of my fellow lefties have gun control as a pet issue and enjoy nothing more than standing on the bodies of dead kids so they can push their pet agenda. The rest who hop onto the band wagon during the media blitz are just useful idiots.

Wayme Lapierre is a lefty now?


The NRA didn't say a word after the shooting, until the media went full retard and they had to respond. The NRA isn't the group that writes its legislation, gleefully, in the blood of the dead before the bodies are even cold.
2013-01-16 09:55:10 AM
1 votes:

Fail in Human Form: Philip Francis Queeg: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gun control drones - "Hey, we can't seem to form a rational argument against gun ownership. There are simply no facts or statistics backing our position. What should we do?"

Gun control drum-beater - "Find a crazy person on their side, then try to associate him with everyone who disagrees with us, we need to poison that well. Oh, and don't ever try to argue against 2nd amendment supporters' facts, it'll just provide any undecided people the opportunity to realize that we're just pandering to emotions, and our gun control plan won't do what we say it will. Just call them names, or pretend they said something else."

Would you prefer that we listen to Wayne Lapierre when he tell us gun owners cannot be trusted to follow gun laws and that they pose such a grave threat that every school in the country must be provided with armed guards to protect the children from gun owners?

Mass shootings are fairly rare, though they do get a lot of media attention. Many of my fellow lefties have gun control as a pet issue and enjoy nothing more than standing on the bodies of dead kids so they can push their pet agenda. The rest who hop onto the band wagon during the media blitz are just useful idiots.


Wayme Lapierre is a lefty now?
2013-01-16 09:48:24 AM
1 votes:

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gun control drones - "Hey, we can't seem to form a rational argument against gun ownership. There are simply no facts or statistics backing our position. What should we do?"

Gun control drum-beater - "Find a crazy person on their side, then try to associate him with everyone who disagrees with us, we need to poison that well. Oh, and don't ever try to argue against 2nd amendment supporters' facts, it'll just provide any undecided people the opportunity to realize that we're just pandering to emotions, and our gun control plan won't do what we say it will. Just call them names, or pretend they said something else."


Would you prefer that we listen to Wayne Lapierre when he tell us gun owners cannot be trusted to follow gun laws and that they pose such a grave threat that every school in the country must be provided with armed guards to protect the children from gun owners?
2013-01-16 09:43:55 AM
1 votes:
I'm glad Alex Jones got the ball rolling on this. Now the media can stop talk about Grover Norquist setting the agenda for the Rederplicans and start talking about this raving lunatic setting the agenda for them.

Rederps not policing their own is making this easy.
2013-01-16 09:37:49 AM
1 votes:

thurstonxhowell: Speaking of both Presidents who have had Articles of Impeachment passed against them: Interestingly, both presidents were Democrats and, in both cases, impeachment proceedings were initiated by a Republican-controlled House in a highly-polarized political environment.

Interesting, but not surprising.


You realize that the ideologies of the parties have basically switched since then, right? I mean, don't get me wrong, I would love to besmirch the name of the GOP every minute of every day and from every corner of this country, but your statement - it doesn't mean what you think it means.
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-16 09:32:57 AM
1 votes:
The party that are "physical conservatives" are going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars by forcing a senate trial that can't possibly go anywhere because it's initiated only because they don't like him.

Stop calling the GOP conservative. It's total bullshiat.
2013-01-16 09:29:00 AM
1 votes:
Alex Jones Claims....

Stopped reading right there. Anything with that name and the word "claims" should tell you it's grade A Bullshiat, Mostly Circus Animal no Filler.
2013-01-16 09:28:38 AM
1 votes:
will someone please rip this guys jaw off
2013-01-16 09:28:21 AM
1 votes:

Whiskey Pete: I_Am_Weasel: Mike_LowELL: Submitter seems to have skipped Article VI, Section XII, which says "those who provide taxation without representation" are not allowed to be president, and "the Founding Fathers are rolling in their grave at the sight of this Taxbongo".

I thought you were crazy, then I went to a constitution website, used CTRL-F and entered "Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves at the sight of this Taxbongo" and... there it was.

You learn something new every day.

Yes. The founding fathers dreamed of a semi-literate society of morbidly obese gun hicks.


Just to put that in graphical representation:

These Guys:

pakistanisforpeace.files.wordpress.com

Are Very Proud of These Guys:

4.bp.blogspot.com

And who wouldn't be?

"P
A
T

R


I

O


T


I

C

DESCENDING!"
2013-01-16 09:18:53 AM
1 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: Mike_LowELL: Submitter seems to have skipped Article VI, Section XII, which says "those who provide taxation without representation" are not allowed to be president, and "the Founding Fathers are rolling in their grave at the sight of this Taxbongo".

I thought you were crazy, then I went to a constitution website, used CTRL-F and entered "Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves at the sight of this Taxbongo" and... there it was.

You learn something new every day.


Yes. The founding fathers dreamed of a semi-literate society of morbidly obese gun hicks.
2013-01-16 02:28:02 AM
1 votes:
Ah yes, an online petition from Alex Jones. That'll carry a lot of weight. Next up, a bill to make Facebook 'likes' legally binding. That'll get him.
 
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