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(Examiner)   Alex Jones claims Obama has met the rules of impeachment under Article II, Section IV of the Constitution; fortunately for everyone else, Jones seems to have skipped Article I, Section III   (examiner.com) divider line 189
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2013-01-16 12:48:01 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: cameroncrazy1984: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.

Providing incentives for schools to hire "resource officers" is not the same as requiring all schools to have armed security on campus.

No, but it's damn close. And considering the whole concept of having armed guards in schools was thoroughly trashed when the NRA proposed it (personally I think it was stupid then and now), and anyone who supported it was labeled insane, you guys have an uncomfortable 180 to do.


Only your strawman has a 180 to do.
 
2013-01-16 12:48:01 PM

cameroncrazy1984: BraveNewCheneyWorld: No, but it's damn close

No it isn't. It's not even close at all. There's not even a requirement that resource officers be armed.


your wrong fartlib, it says officer right in the name. See "resource officer". He'll have, like, 10 different guns on him at any time. Get you're facts straight.
 
2013-01-16 12:48:43 PM

cameroncrazy1984: BraveNewCheneyWorld: No, but it's damn close

No it isn't. It's not even close at all. There's not even a requirement that resource officers be armed.


Then what good would they be in preventing anyone armed with a butter knife from harming anyone? Or more accurately, even if Obama got his wish list. "Omg, there's an unarmed guard, I better take my 6 shot revolver and run!"

You may commence your regularly scheduled backpedaling.
 
2013-01-16 12:48:57 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.


Nah, I still think it's not the best idea. After all, we've been told repeatedly that, why if these assault weapons were banned, the crazies would just make BOMBS, because highly lethal and highly destructive bombs are Super Easy to make without any issue.

As such, unless the armed guards contain a bomb sniffing dog for every school 24/7, the crazies who want to murder a lot of people can just craft a bomb and place it outside of school hours, and the armed guards won't be able to stop them!
 
2013-01-16 12:51:54 PM
Now that we know his recommendations, it will be great to see Congress try to impeach Obama for asking Congress to write a bill reinstating the federal assault weapons ban and close the gun show loophole. Look, I honestly don't think these sort of measures will have a significant effect on gunowners' rights or gun violence, but the number of people acting like this is important (either that it must get passed or must be stopped) just reminds me how much of politics is just a sport and the "symbolism" of which side won the debate is seen as more important than the actual policy measures.
 
2013-01-16 12:52:25 PM

Felgraf: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.

Nah, I still think it's not the best idea. After all, we've been told repeatedly that, why if these assault weapons were banned, the crazies would just make BOMBS, because highly lethal and highly destructive bombs are Super Easy to make without any issue.

As such, unless the armed guards contain a bomb sniffing dog for every school 24/7, the crazies who want to murder a lot of people can just craft a bomb and place it outside of school hours, and the armed guards won't be able to stop them!


Or just not go to a school, and instead, say, a mall.

Its a bad idea regardless, but the original argument is a strawman anyway. No one says security is entirely ineffective. Its just not cost effective.

Not to mention it historically has not worked.
 
2013-01-16 12:54:53 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: cameroncrazy1984: BraveNewCheneyWorld: No, but it's damn close

No it isn't. It's not even close at all. There's not even a requirement that resource officers be armed.

Then what good would they be in preventing anyone armed with a butter knife from harming anyone? Or more accurately, even if Obama got his wish list. "Omg, there's an unarmed guard, I better take my 6 shot revolver and run!"

You may commence your regularly scheduled backpedaling.


Because the only way to prevent school shootings is to be armed?

Are you kidding me?
 
2013-01-16 12:56:24 PM
what a resource officer may look like:

www.imfdb.org
 
2013-01-16 12:57:37 PM
Anything coming from Alex Jones can be summarily dismissed.

Allow me to explain:

Alex Jones says, "_______".

It's bullshiat.

Alex Jones says, "_______".

It's bullshiat.

Alex Jones says, "_______".

It's bullshiat.

And that's exactly how it works.
 
2013-01-16 12:58:26 PM

Bigdogdaddy: I thought the impeachment against Clinton was bs. however I would not have wanted a Rmoney presidency but if he banned any firearms by executive order, I would not be sad to see him impeached and convicted.


Surprise! He didn't.

Not that that was even a possibility, since his, and/or Joe Biden's, understanding of what an executive order is for wasn't garnered from the back of a cereal box, or from Fox Mews(tm).
 
2013-01-16 12:59:32 PM
enough with this bullshiat, the weeper will NEVER bring up impeachment proceedings.
 
2013-01-16 01:01:12 PM

thurstonxhowell: Speaking of both Presidents who have had Articles of Impeachment passed against them: Interestingly, both presidents were Democrats and, in both cases, impeachment proceedings were initiated by a Republican-controlled House in a highly-polarized political environment.

Interesting, but not surprising.


Best part of that? Hillary Rodham Clinton served on the committee that recommended the impeachment, or whatever it was called.
 
2013-01-16 01:01:14 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Because the only way to prevent school shootings is to be armed?

Are you kidding me?


Explain exactly what hiring 1 more unarmed person per school is supposed to do to prevent what just happened in Sandy Hook. Be specific.
 
2013-01-16 01:05:45 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Gun control drones - "Hey, we can't seem to form a rational argument against gun ownership. There are simply no facts or statistics backing our position. What should we do?"


I wonder why that is? Could it be that any and all funding for research into the issues has been blocked by congress? Luckily, it was one of the executive orders just signed by the President to allow the CDC to look at it. Maybe now we can get some facts. Maybe they'll show no need for gun control, maybe they'll show gun deaths only happen on purple Tuesdays to people wearing chartreuse, but at least BOTH sides will have some actual data instead of knee-jerk emotionalism.
 
2013-01-16 01:07:19 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Explain exactly what hiring 1 more unarmed person per school is supposed to do to prevent what just happened in Sandy Hook. Be specific.


Explain how hiring 1 ARMED person per school would have certainly prevented what happened at Sandy Hook?

If someone's not expecting you to open fire on them, they are likely going to be dead before you get a chance to retaliate, draw your weapon, or even know what's going on. (Like, say, an officer shot in the head during a traffic stop on a school university).

A single armed guard can only be in one place at once. They cannot teleport.
 
2013-01-16 01:09:45 PM

someonelse: I'm not normally a big fan of using the blatantly crazy guy to represent a whole position on an issue. But, serious question: What is the difference between Jones' position on gun control and the NRA's position?


20dB
 
2013-01-16 01:12:33 PM

Felgraf: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Explain exactly what hiring 1 more unarmed person per school is supposed to do to prevent what just happened in Sandy Hook. Be specific.

Explain how hiring 1 ARMED person per school would have certainly prevented what happened at Sandy Hook?

If someone's not expecting you to open fire on them, they are likely going to be dead before you get a chance to retaliate, draw your weapon, or even know what's going on. (Like, say, an officer shot in the head during a traffic stop on a school university).

A single armed guard can only be in one place at once. They cannot teleport.


Well then, it's a good thing I said that was a stupid idea right from the start!
 
2013-01-16 01:19:17 PM

Somacandra: As I understand it, its Vice-President Fartbiden who was appointed in charge of these gun committee/recommendations. He is supposed to give them to President Balrog Hussein ChairMAO Fartbongo al-Chicago. If these recommendations include 'violations' of the Constitution, then shouldn't Biden be impeached and convicted  first since he originated the violations? You'd have to do that anyway because otherwise Biden would just become President if Fartbongo was impeached and convicted. Biden would have to be removed first, then any nomination to the V.P. slot (a la Gerald Ford) would be blocked by the House of  Representatives. Then you get that pesky 'Sheriff Near' out of office with another trial and.....voila! We finally have  President Boner and can get some real derp done passed into law. This is the problem for the House Republicans. They don't think these things through first. If you take the Fartbongo down first, the Fartbiden merely rises to takes its place in the Homocrat Hydra.


Since I can't decide if you are just really bad at satire or a hetereophile, I'm gonna split the difference and give you 4/10.
 
2013-01-16 01:31:00 PM
can we stop making this guy richer?
 
2013-01-16 01:31:23 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: cameroncrazy1984: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.

Providing incentives for schools to hire "resource officers" is not the same as requiring all schools to have armed security on campus.

No, but it's damn close. And considering the whole concept of having armed guards in schools was thoroughly trashed when the NRA proposed it (personally I think it was stupid then and now), and anyone who supported it was labeled insane, you guys have an uncomfortable 180 to do.


How so? Many schools have resource officers - not all are armed btw. Columbine had an armed resource officer, if I recall correctly. Allowing and supporting a school to hire one if they want one, is NOT the same as saying every school must have one. Though I'm still against it - I'm tired of the erosion of childhood, and going to school in an armed fortress is not something I'd have wanted for my kid when she was younger.
 
2013-01-16 01:38:36 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: cameroncrazy1984: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.

Providing incentives for schools to hire "resource officers" is not the same as requiring all schools to have armed security on campus.

No, but it's damn close. And considering the whole concept of having armed guards in schools was thoroughly trashed when the NRA proposed it (personally I think it was stupid then and now), and anyone who supported it was labeled insane, you guys have an uncomfortable 180 to do.


Translation:

"Area Man Passionate Critic of what he Imagines President Obama's Executive Order to be"
 
2013-01-16 01:55:20 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: cameroncrazy1984: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Fail in Human Form: 18. Provide incentives for schools to hire school resource officers.

I expect the unquestioning dem loyalists that have been arguing against this to have a sudden change of heart.

Providing incentives for schools to hire "resource officers" is not the same as requiring all schools to have armed security on campus.

No, but it's damn close. And considering the whole concept of having armed guards in schools was thoroughly trashed when the NRA proposed it (personally I think it was stupid then and now), and anyone who supported it was labeled insane, you guys have an uncomfortable 180 to do.


The NRA were suggesting the placement of US soldiers and policemen in schools. Don't move the goalpost.
 
2013-01-16 01:55:50 PM
Alex Jones vehemently claims that I am a medium-sized, four-legged tapestry cosmetics bag with brass frames and clasp, that follows him meekly everywhere he goes.

Obviously, cosmetics bags cannot use computer keyboards, so what does that tell you?
 
2013-01-16 02:01:49 PM

coeyagi: thurstonxhowell: Speaking of both Presidents who have had Articles of Impeachment passed against them: Interestingly, both presidents were Democrats and, in both cases, impeachment proceedings were initiated by a Republican-controlled House in a highly-polarized political environment.

Interesting, but not surprising.

You realize that the ideologies of the parties have basically switched since then, right? I mean, don't get me wrong, I would love to besmirch the name of the GOP every minute of every day and from every corner of this country, but your statement - it doesn't mean what you think it means.


No, but it does mean the modern GOP has attempted to/seriously considered impeaching every Dem President since 1980 (probably would've gone after Carter too if he had won a 2nd term).
 
2013-01-16 02:04:41 PM
Alex Jones, the Master of Conspiracy Theories - who pushes the most ridiculous crap imaginable while ignoring the reasonable questions staring him in the face. I wonder who pays him.
 
2013-01-16 02:10:40 PM
Hey, that's a good question. Who is this freak's paymaster?
 
2013-01-16 02:18:42 PM

quiotu: The NRA were suggesting the placement of US soldiers and policemen in schools. Don't move the goalpost.


If their duty is to protect the kids from mass shootings, does it really matter who signs their paycheck? Yes, a school resource officer isn't EXACTLY the same thing, but it's close enough. Honestly, your level of hair splitting is laughable.
 
2013-01-16 02:25:48 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: quiotu: The NRA were suggesting the placement of US soldiers and policemen in schools. Don't move the goalpost.

If their duty is to protect the kids from mass shootings, does it really matter who signs their paycheck? Yes, a school resource officer isn't EXACTLY the same thing, but it's close enough. Honestly, your level of hair splitting is laughable.


Helping out schools who want resource officers (along with counselors and other support staff) but may lack the resources to do so (with additionally no requirement that these people be armed) is not even remotely "close" to the NRA's suggestion.
 
2013-01-16 02:29:43 PM

bmongar: BronyMedic: Alex Jones Claims....

Stopped reading right there. Anything with that name and the word "claims" should tell you it's grade A Bullshiat, Mostly Circus Animal no Filler.

If Alex Jones said the sun was going to rise in the east I would make sure my western shades were closed so the sun wouldn't wake me up in the morning.


I'd just post a comment laughing about the new 'can't read a compass; ALEX JONES JOURNALISM' meme.
 
2013-01-16 02:36:50 PM

Biological Ali: BraveNewCheneyWorld: quiotu: The NRA were suggesting the placement of US soldiers and policemen in schools. Don't move the goalpost.

If their duty is to protect the kids from mass shootings, does it really matter who signs their paycheck? Yes, a school resource officer isn't EXACTLY the same thing, but it's close enough. Honestly, your level of hair splitting is laughable.

Helping out schools who want resource officers (along with counselors and other support staff) but may lack the resources to do so (with additionally no requirement that these people be armed) is not even remotely "close" to the NRA's suggestion.


So... you don't know what a school resource officer is.. Ok then.
 
2013-01-16 02:48:40 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Biological Ali: BraveNewCheneyWorld: quiotu: The NRA were suggesting the placement of US soldiers and policemen in schools. Don't move the goalpost.

If their duty is to protect the kids from mass shootings, does it really matter who signs their paycheck? Yes, a school resource officer isn't EXACTLY the same thing, but it's close enough. Honestly, your level of hair splitting is laughable.

Helping out schools who want resource officers (along with counselors and other support staff) but may lack the resources to do so (with additionally no requirement that these people be armed) is not even remotely "close" to the NRA's suggestion.

So... you don't know what a school resource officer is.. Ok then.


You jumped the gun - that's quite understandable. You saw something that you thought was a perfect "Gotcha!" - maybe you were blinded by the word "officer" or something, who knows - but it turned out not to be the case.

Just let it go and move on. Ideally with some sort of mea culpa - people get respect for admitting mistakes.
 
2013-01-16 02:50:06 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Biological Ali: BraveNewCheneyWorld: quiotu: The NRA were suggesting the placement of US soldiers and policemen in schools. Don't move the goalpost.

If their duty is to protect the kids from mass shootings, does it really matter who signs their paycheck? Yes, a school resource officer isn't EXACTLY the same thing, but it's close enough. Honestly, your level of hair splitting is laughable.

Helping out schools who want resource officers (along with counselors and other support staff) but may lack the resources to do so (with additionally no requirement that these people be armed) is not even remotely "close" to the NRA's suggestion.

So... you don't know what a school resource officer is.. Ok then.


It's clear you don't.
 
2013-01-16 02:52:19 PM

Biological Ali: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Biological Ali: BraveNewCheneyWorld: quiotu: The NRA were suggesting the placement of US soldiers and policemen in schools. Don't move the goalpost.

If their duty is to protect the kids from mass shootings, does it really matter who signs their paycheck? Yes, a school resource officer isn't EXACTLY the same thing, but it's close enough. Honestly, your level of hair splitting is laughable.

Helping out schools who want resource officers (along with counselors and other support staff) but may lack the resources to do so (with additionally no requirement that these people be armed) is not even remotely "close" to the NRA's suggestion.

So... you don't know what a school resource officer is.. Ok then.

You jumped the gun - that's quite understandable. You saw something that you thought was a perfect "Gotcha!" - maybe you were blinded by the word "officer" or something, who knows - but it turned out not to be the case.

Just let it go and move on. Ideally with some sort of mea culpa - people get respect for admitting mistakes.


Explain exactly what you think is so different between a soldier or a police officer and a resource officer in this context.
 
2013-01-16 03:03:01 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Explain exactly what you think is so different between a soldier or a police officer and a resource officer in this context.


School resource officers (the ones mentioned in this EO at least) are police officers.

Though I assume your question was more along the lines of the difference between school resource officers and active-duty soldiers or police officers patrolling a beat. In which case, it would be akin to asking "Why do you think a pastry chef is so different from a coal miner?" Sure, one could conceivably start going through all the differences, but it would be easier (and certainly much shorter) for the person asserting that the two are similar to justify their case.
 
2013-01-16 03:27:44 PM

qorkfiend: d23: The party that are "physical conservatives" are going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars by forcing a senate trial that can't possibly go anywhere because it's initiated only because they don't like him.

Stop calling the GOP conservative. It's total bullshiat.

Eh. It won't even get that far; without some actual wrongdoing (even though the investigation was politically motivated bullshiat, Clinton did commit perjury) they'll never get enough Democrats to reach the two-thirds vote requirement for articles of impeachment.


Actually, no. No he didn't.
 
2013-01-16 03:58:08 PM

Mercutio74: Zerochance: Alex Jones carries a lot of weight

He's the right wing Michael Moore!


You jest, but believe it or not, Alex Jones and Michael Moore actually agree on something regarding guns. And so do I ߟ I've been talking about this on FARK and other online services for over a decade.

Unfortunately, Jones mentioned it as part of his ranting stream of mostly insanity in his interview with Piers Morgan, which gives the media and people in general reason to dismiss it out of hand as just another part of his insanity.

Yet, a few years ago, Michael Moore said basically the same thing!

When Alex Jones and Michael Moore actually agree on something related to gun violence, perhaps it should be looked at above and beyond their usual rants?
 
2013-01-16 04:33:11 PM

Kittypie070: Hey, that's a good question. Who is this freak's paymaster?


Evidence indicates that he's successfully monetized crowdsourced crazy. Incidentally how I first learned about Alex Jones, and a subsequent interview with Ronson. I'm remarkably fond of Ronson, though.
 
2013-01-17 12:20:18 AM
God literally damn ALex Jones and the Republican Party. I say we impeach Alex Jones. LIterally fark him.
 
2013-01-17 03:30:33 AM

Princess Ryans Knickers: I'm so proud of the GOP! This time it'll work! Unlike 1996 and the election rout after!


You must not have noticed how thoroughly this thread has been derailed by gun fetishists and card carrying trolls.

it's ok, sometimes I fire off a comment before diving in.
 
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