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(Guardian)   Company that transports pieces of paper with emails printed on them may be going out of business this year   (guardian.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-01-16 12:29:56 AM  
Oh look, another engineered crisis designed to prove that government doesn't work.
 
2013-01-16 01:12:06 AM  

Mentat: Oh look, another engineered crisis designed to prove that government doesn't work.


The USPS wants the ability to pretend they can fund their pension obligations by future contributions, but that won't work, either.

I'm not saying the pre-fund is fair, but it's going to collapse either way.  And either way, they won't be funding those pensions.  So it's a failure.  So is Amtrak.

Now, if you'd like to get into an argument about how both of those should be actual government agencies or private entities instead of half-assed in-between hybrids, I'm all for that.  I'd like the USPS to go smaller but back into the government fold, and I'd like Amtrak to be shiatcanned along with every farking labor contract they have.
 
2013-01-16 02:06:59 AM  

Lsherm: Now, if you'd like to get into an argument about how both of those should be actual government agencies or private entities instead of half-assed in-between hybrids, I'm all for that.


It's in the farking constitution.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and post Roads".

And they'd be fine if not for the pension bullshiat.

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters.

The US Post Office may be dying, but as Mentat pointed out, it's certainly not by natural causes.
 
2013-01-16 02:53:32 AM  

fusillade762: Lsherm: Now, if you'd like to get into an argument about how both of those should be actual government agencies or private entities instead of half-assed in-between hybrids, I'm all for that.

It's in the farking constitution.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and post Roads".


The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters.

The US Post Office may be dying, but as Mentat pointed out, it's certainly not by natural causes.


It's an empowerment, not an obligation.  Did you miss the part where I said I'd like the USPS to back to the government fold, because that's what I meant on that bolded part you wrote.

And they'd be fine if not for the pension bullshiat.

No, that's bullshiat.  They'd be fine because they wouldn't ever meet their pension obligations.  They'd be fine because they could meet their operating budget as long as they didn't have to pay for anything they promised to their employees beyond payroll.  So that's a bullshiat claim.  They'd be fine because federal pension insurance fund would have to cover their promises they couldn't cover.
 
2013-01-16 03:15:38 AM  
Congress' fault for underfunding them. Republican spite for entitled poor people who can't FedEx everything.
 
2013-01-16 03:30:17 AM  
So when do you require the DoD to break even or is it just the USPS?
 
2013-01-16 04:02:34 AM  

DarkLancelot: So when do you require the DoD to break even or is it just the USPS?


B-b-but, privatization makes everything better!
 
2013-01-16 04:23:28 AM  
If the USPS goes, your door handle is going to be lousy with ads
 
2013-01-16 04:45:19 AM  

Mentat: Oh look, another engineered crisis designed to prove that government doesn't work.


And the disgusting thing is, it's working. The Republicans break the government, but almost every time it comes up I hear people hating "the government" for being broken/worthless/pathetic instead of the GOP for knowingly, maliciously and willfully making it that way.

But YMMV, and of course BSABSVR goes without saying.
 
2013-01-16 06:02:12 AM  
The post office ain't going out of business, folks, because the redneck areas need it to deliver welfare and disability checks.
 
2013-01-16 06:38:15 AM  
The post office is going out of business because companies like UPS and Fedex went in and cherry picked the profitable business - package delivery, and left the unprofitable grunt work of daily letter carrying and adverts to the post office. While email has eaten into letter writing, the package delivery business has exploded thanks to e-commerce. Don't blame the Post Office, blame corporate america.
 
2013-01-16 06:55:56 AM  
Their services suck and who sends a letter anymore?

I ordered something from a business in Ohio. It will take 4-6 days to make it to me in SE Michigan. UPS is two days.
 
2013-01-16 07:25:10 AM  

Cookbook's Anarchist: DarkLancelot: So when do you require the DoD to break even or is it just the USPS?

B-b-but, privatization makes everything better!


The Post Office isn't private or public, has been said, it's some screwed up middle. They aren't funded by the tax payer, but congress gives them all kinds of mandates that make them sure to fail.

We should scrap the current system, and just have the post office be a government agency. I like the idea of a public option that has to compete with the private delivery companies like UPS and Fed-Ex.
 
2013-01-16 07:36:32 AM  

Shirley Ujest: Their services suck and who sends a letter anymore?

I ordered something from a business in Ohio. It will take 4-6 days to make it to me in SE Michigan. UPS is two days.



Bullshiat! Priority mail takes 2 days.

It used to take one day with first class (OH-MI). Then, last year, they decided to slow down the first class mail.

The 4-6 days is their parcel post which they say will take 4-6 days but used to be lot faster. But, parcel post is a lot cheaper than priority mail.

USPS always wins for mailing out small stuff. UPS and FedEx for bigger packages.
 
2013-01-16 07:38:07 AM  

Shirley Ujest: who sends a letter anymore?


Unfortunately, the company I work for does business in Georgia, and for some reason they will only accept invoices in hard copy. I have to mail out roughly 30 invoices every month to that backwards state.
 
2013-01-16 08:17:31 AM  
Eliminate (or vastly reduce) the discount for carrier-route presorted commercial mail - non-profits still get the full discount. It needs to be less attractive, yet have adequate margin to pay for itself - a double-win!
 
2013-01-16 08:19:39 AM  

ghare: The post office ain't going out of business, folks, because the redneck areas need it to deliver welfare and disability checks.


They use a debit card
 
2013-01-16 08:48:55 AM  

moothemagiccow: ghare: The post office ain't going out of business, folks, because the redneck areas need it to deliver welfare and disability checks.

They use a debit card


And that has to be mailed.. also, DD is becoming more popular..  and most of what they deliver is adverts... have a trash can by the front door.. all adverts go in that.. especially political ones.. was dumping the can weekly during the election !
 
2013-01-16 08:51:02 AM  
Does the US have permanent stamps yet? Canada has had those for years. You would think not having to fark around with 1 cent stamps would be a pretty big money saver.

Also are all US post offices in buildings or storefronts owned by the post office. Pretty much all the ones in Canada are just outlets in the back of 7-11's or drug stores that the owner of that store operates. Does the US do that anywhere? Because I think that would be a pretty big money saver.

And don't they still have Saturday mail in the US. In Canada there hasn't been mail delivery in Canada for at least 40 years. And they haven't been doing any Saturday pick-up from mail boxes for around 8 years I think. Cutting out a whole day of service would be a huge savings.

These things are all super simple and Canada and the US share a gigantic border. Why hasn't the US implemented any of these yet?
 
2013-01-16 08:52:41 AM  
There is exactly zero chance that any private company can and will do the Postal Service's job.

But seriously, given the percentage of volume that is junk mail and the extent of losses, one can only conclude that the price of sending junk mail is far too low. We should not be subsidizing junk mail with taxpayer bailouts.
 
2013-01-16 09:07:22 AM  
mechgreg

Google the "Forever" Stamp.

And shut up.
 
2013-01-16 10:14:42 AM  

mechgreg: In Canada there hasn't been mail delivery in Canada for at least 40 years.


Wha?
 
2013-01-16 10:53:46 AM  

Macular Degenerate: The post office is going out of business because companies like UPS and Fedex went in and cherry picked the profitable business - package delivery, and left the unprofitable grunt work of daily letter carrying and adverts to the post office. While email has eaten into letter writing, the package delivery business has exploded thanks to e-commerce. Don't blame the Post Office, blame corporate america.


And yet UPS and Fedex contract with USPS for rural package delivery....
 
2013-01-16 11:03:12 AM  
What's that? A government mandated service isn't a profit maker? Guess what, neither is the Pentagon.
 
2013-01-16 11:07:01 AM  

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: mechgreg: In Canada there hasn't been mail delivery in Canada for at least 40 years.

Wha?


Oops, I meant in Canada there hasn't been mail service on Saturday for at least 40 years. I always thought mail service on Saturday was dumb. I mean if you get anything important on Saturday (a bill or a cheque or a notice or something like that) the bank or whatever is going to be closed so it is not like you could do anything about it. And anything not important can wait until Monday.
 
2013-01-16 11:58:45 AM  
I don't care to think what will happen to the price of shipping if USPS goes under.
 
2013-01-16 12:24:16 PM  

mechgreg: Mayhem of the Black Underclass: mechgreg: In Canada there hasn't been mail delivery in Canada for at least 40 years.

Wha?

Oops, I meant in Canada there hasn't been mail service on Saturday for at least 40 years. I always thought mail service on Saturday was dumb. I mean if you get anything important on Saturday (a bill or a cheque or a notice or something like that) the bank or whatever is going to be closed so it is not like you could do anything about it. And anything not important can wait until Monday.


Banks are open on Saturdays here, you Newfie!
 
2013-01-16 01:04:18 PM  

Gig103: What's that? A government mandated service isn't a profit maker? Guess what, neither is the Pentagon.


It's like "busy friendly" people don't understand the purpose of government, or even how business works either.
 
2013-01-16 01:30:19 PM  
Their services suck and who sends a letter anymore?

I ordered something from a business in Ohio. It will take 4-6 days to make it to me in SE Michigan. UPS is two days.


USPS: Anywhere in the US to my door in ~3 days

FedEx/UPS: Notification on my door, after about a week, that a package/envelope is at their office and that I need to take time off of work in the next 3 days to come and get it.
I'm not impressed by private industry. We aren't a big enough market so they just don't care.
 
2013-01-16 01:59:00 PM  
I like the Postal Service.

It pisses me off that some people are dumb enough to wish it would fade away. I think their viewpoint has something to do with the fact that the Postal Service is a semi-government run agency that actually employs thousands of people and pays them a living wage.

Conservatives hate that kind of thing.
 
2013-01-16 04:53:12 PM  
IIRC, the Post Office is required to pay 80 years' worth of future obligations in 10 years. No other entity, public or private, is required to do this.
 
2013-01-16 05:06:40 PM  
If they want to save themselves they should declare all mailboxes as being "ad supported" -- and then offer a premium mailbox service for an extra charge that doesn't get unsolicited bulk mail or added to any mailing lists, rejects all mail not specifically addressed to the owner, such as Boxholder.

I battled the USPS over bulk mail in an infrequently used postal box for a couple years and decided it's not worth having a mailbox stuffed full of spam I don't want, and no way to stop the USPS from doing this to me. Good riddance.
 
2013-01-16 07:01:18 PM  

fusillade762: Lsherm: Now, if you'd like to get into an argument about how both of those should be actual government agencies or private entities instead of half-assed in-between hybrids, I'm all for that.

It's in the farking constitution.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution, known as the Postal Clause or the Postal Power, empowers Congress "To establish Post Offices and post Roads".

And they'd be fine if not for the pension bullshiat.

The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s with the minor exception of subsidies for costs associated with the disabled and overseas voters.

The US Post Office may be dying, but as Mentat pointed out, it's certainly not by natural causes.



I don't recall reading anything in the Bill of Rights about the right of the people to send unsolicited bulk mail shall not be infringed.

What we needs is common sense mail control laws. When the Constitution was written, they didn't have fully automatic, large capacity sorting machines that sprayed out junk mail faster than a single postal worker could sorting them by hand one letter at a time.

Will someone think of the poor mailboxes whose lives were ended at a young age because their doors are broken off from being over stuffed with these assault letters?

We are better than this.
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2013-01-16 08:23:58 PM  

Petey4335: Macular Degenerate: The post office is going out of business because companies like UPS and Fedex went in and cherry picked the profitable business - package delivery, and left the unprofitable grunt work of daily letter carrying and adverts to the post office. While email has eaten into letter writing, the package delivery business has exploded thanks to e-commerce. Don't blame the Post Office, blame corporate america.

And yet UPS and Fedex contract with USPS for rural package delivery....


And yet USPS contracts with UPS and FedEx to move mail long distances on aircraft. USPS doesn't deliver to every door either, some rural areas don't get deliver and only a free PO Box.
 
2013-01-17 12:04:24 AM  
How to fix everything:

Set the 1 oz First Class stamp price to $1 permanently. Peg the currency to $1 being the actual cost of moving a 1 oz #10 envelope from a particular drop box outside a 7-11 in Bangor, ME to be delivered to General Delivery, Pahoa, HI. Step 3: Profit.
 
2013-01-17 06:26:34 AM  

ghare: The post office ain't going out of business, folks, because the redneck areas need it to deliver welfare and disability checks.


The gov uses direct deposit or reloaded debit cards for that stuff now....
 
2013-01-17 08:17:54 AM  

mechgreg: Does the US have permanent stamps yet? Canada has had those for years. You would think not having to fark around with 1 cent stamps would be a pretty big money saver.


They do, and they're called "Forever" Stamps.
 
2013-01-17 11:53:04 AM  

Mentat: Oh look, another engineered crisis designed to prove that government doesn't work.


it's not that government doesn't work it is that times have moved on. At some point we quit subsidizing the steam locomotive industry too.
 
2013-01-18 08:41:06 AM  

mechgreg: Mayhem of the Black Underclass: mechgreg: In Canada there hasn't been mail delivery in Canada for at least 40 years.

Wha?

Oops, I meant in Canada there hasn't been mail service on Saturday for at least 40 years. I always thought mail service on Saturday was dumb. I mean if you get anything important on Saturday (a bill or a cheque or a notice or something like that) the bank or whatever is going to be closed so it is not like you could do anything about it. And anything not important can wait until Monday.


STOP BEING SO BLOODY POLITE. DAMMIT. I knew what you were saying, but I was being deliberately obtuse. Also, your banks aren't open on Sunday? Jeeze. I live in NH (state population ~1,000,000) in the largest city (pop ~100,000) and despite the fact that there isn't a real bakery (a bread baking establishment) open on Sunday morning there are at least 2 branches of my bank open.
 
2013-01-18 01:23:24 PM  

Macular Degenerate: The post office is going out of business because companies like UPS and Fedex went in and cherry picked the profitable business - package delivery, and left the unprofitable grunt work of daily letter carrying and adverts to the post office. While email has eaten into letter writing, the package delivery business has exploded thanks to e-commerce. Don't blame the Post Office, blame corporate america.


The post office has the ability to out-perform UPS and Fedex.

Take Amazon orders. In the states (this is 6 years ago now for me) free shipping would take 5-7 days to arrive via UPS. As people have stated, USPS takes 2-3 days.

In the UK, Amazon free shipping takes 1-2 days to arrive. If I order on Monday, before the days shipping deadline, I'll normally have the package by Wednesday, via Royal Mail.

If the USPS could offer that kind of service to parcel shippers (maybe they do, and I don't know why the parcel services don't use them), they'd have more money.
 
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