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(io9)   Nineteen-year-old activist makes life hell for Louisiana's creationists   (io9.com ) divider line 416
    More: Hero, Zack Kopplin, Louisiana, Education Act, science books, Discovery Institute, scientific inquiry, AlterNet, Southeastern Louisiana University  
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2013-01-15 09:45:49 PM  
Sherman was an asshole for not finishing the job on the hateful hillbillies in the South.
 
2013-01-15 09:46:01 PM  
Send in the palentolgists!

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2013-01-15 09:46:37 PM  

SkinnyHead: I guess people who oppose academic freedom and support censorship would see this young man as a hero.


Why would creationists see him as a hero?
 
2013-01-15 09:46:51 PM  
doyner: Just think how poor of a job those teachers were doing all along if they've always been itching to teach that crap.

but it's not just them, it's everybody around them. Their friends, family, teachers, peers...hell, society has failed them. They've been allowed to make it to the point where they find it appropriate to pass on their idiocy. I accept partial responsibility.
 
2013-01-15 09:46:51 PM  

spidermilk: My first thought was "Please let this kid not be an asshole." and then I read the article and he sounds like a total non-asshole. Just calmly and semi-quietly doing what he thinks is right. And not just to prove that he is smarter than him, but because he wants Louisianans to be successful.

The other day two church chicks came to my door and I thought "Ok, stay cool, don't be an asshole" and they gave me a little pamplet and told me where their church was. I said "Great, thanks! have a good one." and they didn't turn around to leave. Instead, the chick goes "Let me ask you- if you died today are you SURE-" and right there I rudely cut her off and said 'I'm an athiest so I don't believe in god." and she just said "WELL THERE IS A GOD!" and I said "ok, we all have our own beliefs- bye!"

and then I felt bad the rest of the day like I should have just said thanks and bye again instead of getting made and freaking her out.



Sounds like they got off easy. I don't answer the door anymore unless I know who is knocking.
 
2013-01-15 09:47:58 PM  
I've always liked the native american creation myths why can't the schools teach those?
 
2013-01-15 09:48:07 PM  
I'd bang the fake blonde chick in the video even though she's a moron.
 
2013-01-15 09:48:11 PM  
Hero tag is appropriate.
 
2013-01-15 09:49:46 PM  

foo monkey: Mentat: I'll keep reporting this until Louisiana wises up:  Link

Thanks. It took me a second to figure this out. Now I can't stop laughing. I needed that today.

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It's the greatest Venn diagram ever, and proof that Republicans hate set theory.
 
2013-01-15 09:50:47 PM  
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2013-01-15 09:51:34 PM  
What is it about the Abrahamic religions that promotes such willful ignorance? Can someone explain it to me?
 
2013-01-15 09:51:36 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: Doesn't that mean women are more advanced than men? Or better designed?


I dunno, but I've dated a lot of women who get off on putting me in a pink collar and making me tell them that.
 
2013-01-15 09:52:18 PM  
I sincerely hope this kid is banging all kinds of hot rebellious hippy chicks.
 
2013-01-15 09:52:58 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Sherman was an asshole for not finishing the job on the hateful hillbillies in the South.


It causes you great pain to think, doesn't it? That's why you stereotype and act hypocritical, right?
 
2013-01-15 09:53:00 PM  
I would prefer they teach all of the various creation stories then. I would like someone to petition the ACLU about my rights being infringed upon.
 
2013-01-15 09:54:11 PM  

spidermilk: My first thought was "Please let this kid not be an asshole." and then I read the article and he sounds like a total non-asshole. Just calmly and semi-quietly doing what he thinks is right. And not just to prove that he is smarter than him, but because he wants Louisianans to be successful.

The other day two church chicks came to my door and I thought "Ok, stay cool, don't be an asshole" and they gave me a little pamplet and told me where their church was. I said "Great, thanks! have a good one." and they didn't turn around to leave. Instead, the chick goes "Let me ask you- if you died today are you SURE-" and right there I rudely cut her off and said 'I'm an athiest so I don't believe in god." and she just said "WELL THERE IS A GOD!" and I said "ok, we all have our own beliefs- bye!"

and then I felt bad the rest of the day like I should have just said thanks and bye again instead of getting made and freaking her out.


...then you lost the argument that you didn't even know you were having. If you're not willing to hurt feelings, you're not willing to change the world. This kid, at the very least, knows he's going to be fighting people who feel he's hurting them. He has to not care about that. Whether he does it calmly or whether he shouts it from the mountaintops is his choice. Neither make him an "asshole" any more than they make Richard Dawkins (Who is just as calm as this kid is, though far more outspoken) an "asshole". In fact, the only real difference between the "assholes" and the "good guys" on this issue is their volume.
 
2013-01-15 09:54:11 PM  

BronyMedic: SkinnyHead: I guess people who oppose academic freedom and support censorship would see this young man as a hero.  People who support academic freedom and freedom of thought probably don't.

And now it's time for a blast from the past!

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WAIT wait wait wait. Just... just wait. Did he really post that seriously? I mean... He meant that? That's the single most amusing thing I've read all day!
 
2013-01-15 09:54:23 PM  
Lawdy, that video in the article had some of the most obtuse masturdebation I've ever seen in my life and I frequent the Fark.com political tab!
 
2013-01-15 09:54:59 PM  

Quantum Apostrophe: BronyMedic: Ah, SkinnyHead is one of those "more information" types of creationists.

I wonder what happens when we add more information to an organism. Let's add more copies of chromosome 13... Or wait, don't women have more DNA than men? Doesn't that mean women are more advanced than men? Or better designed? Hmmm.


I was told women have more ribs than men.

\grew up in rural Oklahoma
 
2013-01-15 09:56:46 PM  

unchellmatt: BronyMedic: SkinnyHead: I guess people who oppose academic freedom and support censorship would see this young man as a hero.  People who support academic freedom and freedom of thought probably don't.

And now it's time for a blast from the past!

[img716.imageshack.us image 594x372]

WAIT wait wait wait. Just... just wait. Did he really post that seriously? I mean... He meant that? That's the single most amusing thing I've read all day!


BUT WAIT! There's more! Tell them what else we've won, Johnny!

i248.photobucket.com

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2013-01-15 09:57:31 PM  
Kopplin, who is studying history at Rice University, had good reason to be upset after the passing of the LSEA - an insidious piece of legislation that allows teachers to bring in their own supplemental materials when discussing politically controversial topics like evolution or climate change.

I'm not a creationist, but I'm not prepared to label a nineteen-year-old who thinks the government should prevent any deviation from (or even supplementation of) a government-controlled curriculum a "hero."
 
2013-01-15 09:57:40 PM  
Teaching your kid creationism is like teach your kid Santa Claus is real.
 
2013-01-15 09:57:50 PM  

SkinnyHead: I guess people who oppose academic freedom and support censorship would see this young man as a hero.  People who support academic freedom and freedom of thought probably don't.


How are you green? I thought I had you most definitively as redish. This must be a conspiracy.

Also whatever you said, I disagree with. You're wrong. I'd love to be proven incorrect.
 
2013-01-15 09:59:20 PM  
 
2013-01-15 10:00:14 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: [images2.dailykos.com image 450x300]


"Daily weblog with political analysis on US current events from a liberal perspective."


We would never skew our data, no siree!


I have a hard time believing that democrats are part of the birther movement.
 
2013-01-15 10:00:18 PM  

SkinnyHead: I guess people who oppose academic freedom and support censorship would see this young man as a hero.  People who support academic freedom and freedom of thought probably don't.



We have a specific, individually enumerated right to free thought on the subject of religion. It's number 1, even. The state is specifically barred from interfering with religion at all. So, for instance, the state is barred from deciding what parts of the bible are more important than others - a job the various judeo-christian sects do NOT want the government to ever have.

Schools teaching religious dogma clearly violates that right. Not all christian sects believe in the charismatic view of creationism. The state is picking not only a particular religion to favor... it's actually picking a particular SECT of that religion. You really want to go down that road? You want Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer in charge of how christianity is passed on to your children? You catholic - you'll love it when the US government picks protestant. Protestant - then you'll love it when we officially teach catholic dogma to your kids. Oh heck, how about they go 7th day adventist and burn you all. Though we all know inside of two generations the scientolgists will have gamed the system and run the show.

So how about religion stays where the fark it's supposed to - in the CHURCH OF ITS CHOOSING. Don't attack religious liberty by teaching religious dogma in schools.
 
2013-01-15 10:01:12 PM  

Kevin72: Do they really believe that Noah was 600 years old when God told him to build the ark? And that Noah lived for 350 years after the flood? AND that the world is only 6000 years old? The math boggles my mind. But at least they are sticking it to those liberals who are brainwashing kids at colleges.


Even if you ignore the math, there's the logistics and mechanics to consider: an old man and his three sons building a wooden ship as long and tall as a football stadium and half as wide; the seaworthiness of such a vessel; the four of them and their respective wives herding two of every land animal on Earth into that ship, including animals that probably didn't live within walking distance of their house, such as penguins, Komodo dragons and ocelots; a few months' worth of food for the lot of them, including ants for the anteaters; 40 days and 40 nights of non-stop rainfall, followed by several weeks or months of waiting for the rain waters to recede; and repopulation of the various species, which would have some serious inbreeding going on for the first few generations.

A more thorough deconstruction was in a Fark thread a few weeks ago. I can't be arsed to look it up right now, but there was detailed discussion on the rainfall, the ship and the menagerie.

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LazerFish: Politicians are stupid. We know this. The thing that is wrong about this is that the teachers want to teach intelligent design.


And the politicians passed legislation allowing it.
 
2013-01-15 10:01:19 PM  
rvesco:I'm not a creationist, but I'm not prepared to label a nineteen-year-old who thinks the government should prevent any deviation from (or even supplementation of) a government-controlled curriculum a "hero."

That pesky kid! His fighting to uphold the principles of Freedom of Religion, and keep religious zealots from promoting their doctrine on impressionable students, and using it to convert them to their religion is just Government cocksucking, you know.

He's not really a hero. If only he had Jesus in his heart!

/he's not fighting to prevent deviation from a "Government-Controlled Curriculum." He's fighting to keep religion and mythology from being taught as scientific fact.
//Anyone trying to label it as anything but this is disingeniously trying to distract.
 
2013-01-15 10:01:44 PM  

unchellmatt: BronyMedic: SkinnyHead: I guess people who oppose academic freedom and support censorship would see this young man as a hero.  People who support academic freedom and freedom of thought probably don't.

And now it's time for a blast from the past!

[img716.imageshack.us image 594x372]

WAIT wait wait wait. Just... just wait. Did he really post that seriously? I mean... He meant that? That's the single most amusing thing I've read all day!



You must be new here.
 
2013-01-15 10:02:46 PM  

johnryan51: Raharu: phlegmmo: Equilibrist: FARK needs a Creationist tab.

It would have to be intelligently designed.


And never change over time.

Over time there would probably be schism ( Then what)?


Wipe hands on pants?

/Ewww....
 
2013-01-15 10:02:56 PM  

BronyMedic: unchellmatt: BronyMedic: SkinnyHead: I guess people who oppose academic freedom and support censorship would see this young man as a hero.  People who support academic freedom and freedom of thought probably don't.

And now it's time for a blast from the past!

[img716.imageshack.us image 594x372]

WAIT wait wait wait. Just... just wait. Did he really post that seriously? I mean... He meant that? That's the single most amusing thing I've read all day!

BUT WAIT! There's more! Tell them what else we've won, Johnny!

[i248.photobucket.com image 638x223]

[img218.imageshack.us image 850x484]


I'm going to have to do a bit of digging/googling. If there is one thing I find entertaining, it's people who don't understand science trying to scientifically defend utterly unscientific hogwash. My night just got a whole lot better. Cheers man.
 
2013-01-15 10:02:59 PM  
This young man is a better man than 100 % of the Republicans in the House and Senate who are twice his age.
 
2013-01-15 10:04:27 PM  
Kudos to <b>SkinnyHead</b>'s courageous attempts to debunk evolution by shiatting from his mouth.
 
2013-01-15 10:04:45 PM  

bighairyguy: Yes, it really is that simple. If creationism wants to be taught in science classes, it has to play by science's rules.


I'm certainly not a supporter of teaching creationism in public school, but what's the alternative creation explanation that plays by science's rules? Personally, I believe teaching any faith-based theory as science is wrong.
 
2013-01-15 10:05:11 PM  
Goddamn interface changes.
 
2013-01-15 10:05:32 PM  
The gal trots out her Esquire and then denigrates people that are specialists in the field that is actually being debated for having credentials.

WHAT A COUNTRY!
 
2013-01-15 10:05:33 PM  
So how do we start raising money for this kid on the FarkUs tab? Does he have a group we can donate to?
 
2013-01-15 10:06:31 PM  

bingo the psych-o: What is it about the Abrahamic religions that promotes such willful ignorance? Can someone explain it to me?


Jews, and Ashkenazi jews in particular, would like a word. Even if they're not smarter on average than other groups, they're certainly not willfully ignorant. You could say the same about Islam when the Muslim world was one of the bright spots in the world for learning and education, and even Christian Europe during the renaissance.

It's not the Abrahamic religions so much as it is the human nature of these fundamentalist retards who can't bear the thought of anyone else understanding anything that they don't understand (and they don't understand anything). I suspect it would play out the same with people like that even if these particular religions had never existed.

I also suspect (but don't know for sure) that you'd get similar assholes in societies that have never heard of this particular God.
 
2013-01-15 10:08:04 PM  
How come we aren't teaching the alternate theory of gravity? That ANGELS hold us down by our ankles. I mean gravity, its only a THEORY... right?
 
2013-01-15 10:08:21 PM  

SkinnyHead: I guess people who oppose academic freedom and support censorship would see this young man as a hero.  People who support academic freedom and freedom of thought probably don't.

 
2013-01-15 10:09:41 PM  

alltim: SkinnyHead: I guess people who oppose academic freedom and support censorship would see this young man as a hero.  People who support academic freedom and freedom of thought probably don't.


Sorry. meant to say anything but this^.
 
2013-01-15 10:10:52 PM  

Insatiable Jesus: Sherman was an asshole for not finishing the job on the hateful hillbillies in the South.


Yup. Military incursions should always end in genocide. I'm glad I've found someone else who supports more, bigger military, with maximum civilian casualties as a goal. It must really hurt you every time someone comes home from Iraq or Afghanistan, right? I mean, there are still people alive over there. It's a pity.
 
2013-01-15 10:12:39 PM  

Dokushin: Insatiable Jesus: Sherman was an asshole for not finishing the job on the hateful hillbillies in the South.

Yup. Military incursions should always end in genocide. I'm glad I've found someone else who supports more, bigger military, with maximum civilian casualties as a goal. It must really hurt you every time someone comes home from Iraq or Afghanistan, right? I mean, there are still people alive over there. It's a pity.


I didn't say genocide. Lincoln should have frog marched 'em all to Mexico.
 
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2013-01-15 10:12:47 PM  

bingo the psych-o: What is it about the Abrahamic religions that promotes such willful ignorance? Can someone explain it to me?


Well, as I see it, Abrahamic religions look to the past. These religions use chronicles of events that are purported to have happened centuries or millennia ago as evidence of how one should behave today, how the world functions (both societally and physically) and this guide, for some, becomes sacrosanct. The problems come about when these old documented events come into conflict with modern realities, either societal realities or physical or scientific realities.

This isn't to say that all adherents are intolerant, obviously there are many progressive adherents, but those in positions of authority that aren't able to tolerate differences, change, or definitive proof that the world isn't what they got from their book have a disproportionate influence on events and policies.
 
2013-01-15 10:13:06 PM  
As a (former) Floridian, I genuinely hope - FERVENTLY - for a hurricane of such magnitude to hit the gulf of Mexico that it just destroys the south. Completely. No survivors. Raze the Earth.

Luckily, retarded policy decisions may be helping this scenario along. So drill, baby, drill, I guess.
 
2013-01-15 10:13:15 PM  
Fark yeah, kid! Go get 'em!
 
2013-01-15 10:14:20 PM  
Cool, good on him. And he's cute too.
 
2013-01-15 10:15:47 PM  

ModernLuddite: As a (former) Floridian, I genuinely hope - FERVENTLY - for a hurricane of such magnitude to hit the gulf of Mexico that it just destroys the south. Completely. No survivors. Raze the Earth.

Luckily, retarded policy decisions may be helping this scenario along. So drill, baby, drill, I guess.


So you want folks like this kid killed too.  Good to know.
 
2013-01-15 10:16:08 PM  

Relatively Obscure: Kudos to <b>SkinnyHead</b>'s courageous attempts to debunk evolution by shiatting from his mouth.


It's an evolutionary adaptation, like those lizards that squirt blood out of their eyes.
 
2013-01-15 10:18:11 PM  

SkinnyHead: I guess people who oppose academic freedom and support censorship would see this young man as a hero.  People who support academic freedom and freedom of thought probably don't.


See? this is what happens when you mix meth and mushrooms.
 
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