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(NJ.com)   "Excuse me," said the First Amendment. "Excuse me planning board, but what are you thinking by saying rules for mosques should be different than churches?"   (nj.com ) divider line
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2013-01-15 03:01:50 PM  
So, what does the ITE "Parking Generation, 4th Edition" manual say, and what data underlies what it says?
 
2013-01-15 03:14:24 PM  
LOL.  Pretty much my whole family still lives there.  Can't wait to taunt my uncle about this.  He's an unthinking Fox News consumer.  I don't know what happened to him - he used to be well-informed.  As for the actual piece:

"Churches should no longer apply to synagogues and mosques, each of which generates its own distinctive traffic patters and numbers so each of which should now have its own distinctive parking requirements," the memo states, quoting the ITE guide.

Well, sure.  Jews and Muslims are heathens.  They park in ways that would shock decent, God-loving Christians.
 
2013-01-15 03:35:52 PM  
The framers never intended for the First Amendment to protect anti-American speech.
 
2013-01-15 03:52:46 PM  
If Islam and Judaism are not crushed completely and by any means available, America will start to fall to religious persecution.
 
2013-01-15 04:02:15 PM  
Try living around a mosque sometime, with some jerk on top of the mosque screaming abaloo abaloo 5 time a day at the top of his lungs. I agree there should be different rules the abaloo guy should shut the fark up.
 
2013-01-15 04:04:51 PM  

maxalt: Try living around a mosque sometime, with some jerk on top of the mosque screaming abaloo abaloo 5 time a day at the top of his lungs. I agree there should be different rules the abaloo guy should shut the fark up.


You'll get over it.  I got over this town's five billion goddamn bells that ring every single hour
 
2013-01-15 04:11:48 PM  

maxalt: Try living around a mosque sometime, with some jerk on top of the mosque screaming abaloo abaloo 5 time a day at the top of his lungs. I agree there should be different rules the abaloo guy should shut the fark up.


I live close to a Catholic church whose damn bells are always ringing and waking me up.  Any way we can put an end to that?
 
2013-01-15 04:34:50 PM  

Vodka Zombie: maxalt: Try living around a mosque sometime, with some jerk on top of the mosque screaming abaloo abaloo 5 time a day at the top of his lungs. I agree there should be different rules the abaloo guy should shut the fark up.

I live close to a Catholic church whose damn bells are always ringing and waking me up.  Any way we can put an end to that?


Sure do as I did move.
 
2013-01-15 04:43:23 PM  

maxalt: Vodka Zombie: maxalt: Try living around a mosque sometime, with some jerk on top of the mosque screaming abaloo abaloo 5 time a day at the top of his lungs. I agree there should be different rules the abaloo guy should shut the fark up.

I live close to a Catholic church whose damn bells are always ringing and waking me up.  Any way we can put an end to that?

Sure do as I did move.


Mom finally let you back into the basement, huh?
 
2013-01-15 04:50:25 PM  

Diogenes: "Churches should no longer apply to synagogues and mosques, each of which generates its own distinctive traffic patters and numbers so each of which should now have its own distinctive parking requirements," the memo states, quoting the ITE guide.


Well, they have to accommodate extra space in the parking lot so the debris field from the car bombs causes as little damage as possible.
 
2013-01-15 04:52:49 PM  
Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?
 
2013-01-15 04:53:21 PM  
Guys, don't respond to the troll with "Alt" in his farking name. C'mon.
 
2013-01-15 04:53:41 PM  

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?


All the parking spaces are crescent-shaped.
 
2013-01-15 04:53:59 PM  

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?


How Would Jesus Park?
 
2013-01-15 04:55:10 PM  

what_now: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

How Would Jesus Park?


Parallel
 
2013-01-15 04:55:37 PM  

what_now: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

How Would Jesus Park?


www.streetsblog.org
 
2013-01-15 04:56:56 PM  

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?


Socialism
 
2013-01-15 04:58:16 PM  

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?


www.hurriyetdailynews.com

/aisle seat please
 
2013-01-15 05:01:39 PM  

what_now: Guys, don't respond to the troll with "Alt" in his farking name. C'mon.


LOL
 
2013-01-15 05:03:20 PM  

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?


Semitic folk are partial to riding donkeys.
 
2013-01-15 05:03:56 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

Semitic folk are partial to riding donkeys.


Ok that's pretty good.
 
2013-01-15 05:11:03 PM  
Women aren't allowed to drive so they should only need 10 spaces.
 
2013-01-15 05:34:52 PM  
Have fun storming the wall of separation boys!

//Think it'll work?
//It'd take a miracle.
 
2013-01-15 05:35:13 PM  

Relatively Obscure: If Islam and Judaism are not crushed completely and by any means available, America will start to fall to religious persecution.


That was hilarious! Now tell us another.
 
2013-01-15 05:36:26 PM  

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?


The serious answer is that the times of services may interact differently with peak traffic times. This should be covered in a typical traffic study which is generally a requirement for any new development of a similar nature.
 
2013-01-15 05:36:41 PM  

maxalt: Try living around a mosque sometime, with some jerk on top of the mosque screaming abaloo abaloo 5 time a day at the top of his lungs. I agree there should be different rules the abaloo guy should shut the fark up.


maxalt: Vodka Zombie: maxalt: Try living around a mosque sometime, with some jerk on top of the mosque screaming abaloo abaloo 5 time a day at the top of his lungs. I agree there should be different rules the abaloo guy should shut the fark up.

I live close to a Catholic church whose damn bells are always ringing and waking me up.  Any way we can put an end to that?

Sure do as I did move.


i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-01-15 05:37:56 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

The serious answer is that the times of services may interact differently with peak traffic times. This should be covered in a typical traffic study which is generally a requirement for any new development of a similar nature.


I thought it was because of all the mosque raid parties
 
2013-01-15 05:39:43 PM  

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?


Jews can't drive cars on the Sabbeth, Muslims are required to car pool.
 
2013-01-15 05:40:51 PM  

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?


Muslims are far more likely to have larger families and use less cars to get to worship, so logically need 3 times as many spa... hey wait a minute
 
2013-01-15 05:40:58 PM  
What better way to stick it to the hated brown people...make up stupid rules, then get sued in to oblivion costing yourself millions while they still get constitutionally afforded protection.
 
2013-01-15 05:41:05 PM  

namatad: what_now: Guys, don't respond to the troll with "Alt" in his farking name. C'mon.

LOL


WHAT. Next thing you know you'll be claiming that Weedlord Bonerhitler is a troll account too.
 
2013-01-15 05:42:27 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

The serious answer is that the times of services may interact differently with peak traffic times. This should be covered in a typical traffic study which is generally a requirement for any new development of a similar nature.


Meanwhile, local cops will stop traffic to let Christian churchgoers leave their massive parking lots without having to wait.

/in Texas, anyway
 
2013-01-15 05:44:48 PM  

gilgigamesh: Diogenes: "Churches should no longer apply to synagogues and mosques, each of which generates its own distinctive traffic patters and numbers so each of which should now have its own distinctive parking requirements," the memo states, quoting the ITE guide.

Well, they have to accommodate extra space in the parking lot so the debris field from the car bombs causes as little damage as possible.


Beat me to it.
 
2013-01-15 05:45:53 PM  
Christianity > Islam

Deal with it.
 
2013-01-15 05:46:18 PM  
The Islamic Society hopes to build a 4,250-square-foot mosque in place of a 1950s-style ranch currently situated on a 4.3-acre property at 124 Church St.

Well that's your problem right there. This isn't Mosque St.
 
2013-01-15 05:47:42 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

The serious answer is that the times of services may interact differently with peak traffic times. This should be covered in a typical traffic study which is generally a requirement for any new development of a similar nature.

Meanwhile, local cops will stop traffic to let Christian churchgoers leave their massive parking lots without having to wait.

/in Texas, anyway


There is a megachurch right on the corner of the highway and the street that leads there from my house.

every. god. damned. sunday. these motherf*ckers are pulling this shiat. I have to wait on the road so these god-bothering little sons of b*tches can make protected left turns while normal, sane traffic piles up. just car after car of assholes.
 
2013-01-15 05:49:20 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

The serious answer is that the times of services may interact differently with peak traffic times. This should be covered in a typical traffic study which is generally a requirement for any new development of a similar nature.

Meanwhile, local cops will stop traffic to let Christian churchgoers leave their massive parking lots without having to wait.

/in Texas, anyway


You mean that businesses and other entities can hire off duty cops for traffic direction? Gasp!
 
2013-01-15 05:50:01 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: rufus-t-firefly: Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

The serious answer is that the times of services may interact differently with peak traffic times. This should be covered in a typical traffic study which is generally a requirement for any new development of a similar nature.

Meanwhile, local cops will stop traffic to let Christian churchgoers leave their massive parking lots without having to wait.

/in Texas, anyway

There is a megachurch right on the corner of the highway and the street that leads there from my house.

every. god. damned. sunday. these motherf*ckers are pulling this shiat. I have to wait on the road so these god-bothering little sons of b*tches can make protected left turns while normal, sane traffic piles up. just car after car of assholes.


Hey pal, those mega-churches pay taxes just like everybo...

Nevermind.
 
2013-01-15 05:50:35 PM  
While I think charges of discrimination should certainly be pursued, space certainly isn't an issue. You can fit 100 spaces on less than 1/2 an acre and that 4250 sq ft mosque would fit on less than 1/3 acre even if it were a single story.  They got 4.3 acres.  That's a lot of room.
 
2013-01-15 05:51:33 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

The serious answer is that the times of services may interact differently with peak traffic times. This should be covered in a typical traffic study which is generally a requirement for any new development of a similar nature.

Meanwhile, local cops will stop traffic to let Christian churchgoers leave their massive parking lots without having to wait.

/in Texas, anyway


One time I saw a cop directing traffic outside of the Shea Stadium parking lot following a game.
True story.
 
2013-01-15 05:51:35 PM  

stewmadness: Christianity > Islam

Deal with it.


"Don't be a dick" greater than both.
 
2013-01-15 05:52:16 PM  
Perhaps the report indicated that due to noon services on a weekday, there was insufficient off-site parking or something.  You can't read the report without paying for it but there are excerpts from similar reports.
 
2013-01-15 05:52:16 PM  

DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?


Among other things:

• Mosques hold prayer services 5 times each day.*. Christian churches and synagogues typically hold large-scale masses only on weekends. (There are weekday masses and services at many churches, but attendance at such are typcially far less than Sabbath services.)

(*I don't know for sure that all of these are conjugal prayer services, or whether some are more frequently observed individually and at home, but then again, I don't know jack about compline and vespers, either.)

• It may be -- I don't know, and I'm completely making shiat up here -- that, statistically, the demographics of Mosque attendees is different from that of churches and synagogues. Maybe the "seats in the bulding : car driver" ratio is legitmately higher because Muslim worshippers are more likely to be single individuals, or they do not tend to bring children to services, or they just love love love their cars and drive them everywhere.

• Since the parking requirements are determined by the number of seats in the building, and mosques don't have "seats", there's a division by zero error that screws everything up.
 
2013-01-15 05:52:26 PM  
Really? Their argument is that a mosque with a total membership of 150, from a religion that doesn't actually require showing up at church unless you feel like it or need to talk to an imam for some reason, will require 110 parking spaces?

While a Christian church with 150 members, a religion that does require its members to attend services, will only need 50?

Yeah, pull the other one, man.

Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

The serious answer is that the times of services may interact differently with peak traffic times. This should be covered in a typical traffic study which is generally a requirement for any new development of a similar nature.


Except that this is a regulation on on-site parking. The traffic on the street will have the same impact regardless of whether there are 50 spots or 100000000000 spots stacked on top of each other up to the ionosphere.
 
2013-01-15 05:52:34 PM  

skullkrusher: One time I saw a cop directing traffic outside of the Shea Stadium parking lot following a game.
True story.


Will Obama's executive overreach never end?
 
2013-01-15 05:52:52 PM  
Muslims drive like this and Christians drive like THIS!
 
2013-01-15 05:53:07 PM  
Christians park like this but Muslims be parkin like this.
 
2013-01-15 05:53:32 PM  

skullkrusher: rufus-t-firefly: Philip Francis Queeg: DamnYankees: Can someone explain why the "traffic patterns" of mosques are different than churches?

The serious answer is that the times of services may interact differently with peak traffic times. This should be covered in a typical traffic study which is generally a requirement for any new development of a similar nature.

Meanwhile, local cops will stop traffic to let Christian churchgoers leave their massive parking lots without having to wait.

/in Texas, anyway

One time I saw a cop directing traffic outside of the Shea Stadium parking lot following a game.
True story.


Shea Stadium pays taxes though... well, it used to.
 
2013-01-15 05:53:42 PM  

BSABSVR: Muslims drive like this and Christians drive like THIS!


Fark!!!
 
2013-01-15 05:54:12 PM  
From what i can find, the ITE just used data based on square footage, unlike synagogues, which they did based on attendance, and churches, which have square footage, seats and attendance based data.

Their planned mosque is 4,250 square feet, which is a lot for what they claim is a regular turnout of only 10-15, but reasonable for the full turnout of 150. Maybe ITE's studies were done on overcrowded mosques that would like bigger facilities. Maybe they're hoping to grow the congregation.

Either way, the ITE guide isn't city ordinance.
 
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