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(KHOU Houston)   Study finds unsafe mercury levels in 84 percent of all fish -- including Abe Vigoda   (khou.com) divider line 95
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2013-01-15 04:16:38 PM
♫ I've got...Mercury poisoning...it's fatal and it don't get better...♫
 
2013-01-15 04:16:57 PM

cirby: They confuse things a bit by mixing mercury and methylmercury concentrations - but methylmercury is a much, much more toxic substance (and found in much lower concentrations in fish).


Let me get a clarification from you:

Are you saying that methylmercury is found in lower concentrations in fish than elemental mercury?

If so, then I'm going to request a citation. Elemental mercury does not bioconcentrate, bioaccumulate, or biomagnify. It is not lipid soluble. Methylmercury is lipid soluble and does biomagnify, which is why we see larger concentrations in fish that are higher on the food chain.
 
2013-01-15 04:20:23 PM

whidbey: mgshamster: They talk a lot about kepone and Minamata, but I'm not sure what the connection is.

I think they were trying to make a point about industry poisoning their workers and covering it up.


I still remember the industry's attitude on the Minamata disaster (I wasn't there, I just did a lot of reading on it for a term paper). It was basically, "This would never had been a problem if you people had not have brought it to the world's attention. This is your fault."

I wonder if I still have the book around somewhere.
 
2013-01-15 04:29:46 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-15 04:29:46 PM
Is shocked...

static.tvfanatic.com
 
2013-01-15 04:30:13 PM
I feel the need to point out that only albacore tuna has 'unsafe' levels of mercury simply due to the size of the fish and bioaccumulation. Sustainable fishing organizations recommend only eating albacore maybe once a month. Chunk Light tuna is made from a much smaller fish (typically yellowtail or slipjack) and is perfectly safe and more sustainable than albacore to begin with.
 
2013-01-15 04:32:36 PM
As a person who doesn't eat fish, subsisting on a steady diet of beef from cattle raised within 500 yards of nuclear power plants, I'm getting a kick.
 
2013-01-15 04:34:03 PM
The Elixir of Life!

Take my pills and immortality can be yours!!!


upload.wikimedia.org

If its good enough for a king its good enough for you!
 
2013-01-15 04:34:25 PM
Yet the mercury used as a preservative in vaccines is totally safe.

/ducking
 
2013-01-15 04:38:37 PM

Draq: I feel the need to point out that only albacore tuna has 'unsafe' levels of mercury simply due to the size of the fish and bioaccumulation. Sustainable fishing organizations recommend only eating albacore maybe once a month. Chunk Light tuna is made from a much smaller fish (typically yellowtail or slipjack) and is perfectly safe and more sustainable than albacore to begin with.


I mistyped. Chunk light tuna is MOSTLY slipjack, which is a much smaller fish. Yellowtails are goddamn enormous and do have a significant amount of mercury, but not as much gets into a single can of tuna as with albacore.
 
2013-01-15 04:42:27 PM

randomjsa: Reducing mercury pollution is on the agenda of the United Nations conference this week in Geneva

That's all you needed to know to be very suspicious of the whole thing.


Oh for fark's sake.
 
2013-01-15 04:43:33 PM
www.newsfromme.com

I REFUSE TO DIE, BIATCHES.
 
2013-01-15 04:46:24 PM
i48.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-15 04:55:55 PM

mgshamster: What's worse is that levels that are normally perfectly fine for an adult (or even a child) can be damaging to a fetus. I'm very happy that my pregnant wife has developed a food aversion to seafood right now.


As a sushi lover who's 9 weeks along, TFA gives me a sad.
 
2013-01-15 05:07:58 PM
I'm surprised the "progressive" council on science didn't implicate these as te cause

www.simplyteeth.com
/Science doesn't have a progressive or conservative bias
 
2013-01-15 05:12:03 PM
Wait, they eat a lot of fish in Florida don't they? This explains so much. http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120725/ARTICLE/120729747

/mercury, bath salts, and meth, oh my!
 
2013-01-15 05:12:49 PM
Link

ugh
 
2013-01-15 05:13:20 PM

Dragonblink: mgshamster: What's worse is that levels that are normally perfectly fine for an adult (or even a child) can be damaging to a fetus. I'm very happy that my pregnant wife has developed a food aversion to seafood right now.

As a sushi lover who's 9 weeks along, TFA gives me a sad.


Check this quick reference guide out. http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/cr_seafoodwatch/sfw_health.aspx It conflicts some of the stuff I said earlier, but that was off the top of my head so whatev. In general, if a fish goes near China at any point in its life, it's bad. If it's from the extremely rural US, away from coal plants, it's good. Smaller/younger fish are better. Also quit eating shrimp, the supplies are extremely unstable right now and it's only a matter of time before people start doing shady stuff with it.
 
2013-01-15 05:13:48 PM
As someone who just came back from a lovely sushi lunch.... meh
 
2013-01-15 05:13:53 PM

lohphat: FTFA: A new study from the Biodiversity Research Institute in Maine

/looks them up...

"Small, nonprofit group dedicated to progressive environmental research and education. "

*facepalm*

Real science isn't progressive or conservative, it's just science.



Ok, got a competing, non-biased study that paints the opposite picture?
 
2013-01-15 05:15:45 PM

Dragonblink: mgshamster: What's worse is that levels that are normally perfectly fine for an adult (or even a child) can be damaging to a fetus. I'm very happy that my pregnant wife has developed a food aversion to seafood right now.

As a sushi lover who's 9 weeks along, TFA gives me a sad.


At least you're in common company. My wife is also about 9 weeks along, and she loves sushi as well. She's just been repulsed by fish and other seafood for the past 5 weeks or so.

/Aug 21
 
2013-01-15 05:19:48 PM
Mercury leveled:
resources2.news.com.au
 
2013-01-15 05:22:10 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Darth_Lukecash: Why isn't the FDA on all this?

It's the FOOD and Drug Administration, not the FISH and Drug Administration

/duh


This is why I love Fark
 
2013-01-15 05:31:39 PM

Dragonblink: mgshamster: What's worse is that levels that are normally perfectly fine for an adult (or even a child) can be damaging to a fetus. I'm very happy that my pregnant wife has developed a food aversion to seafood right now.

As a sushi lover who's 9 weeks along, TFA gives me a sad.


The worst are the big top of the food chain fish that accumulate a lot of mercury from their prey. Shrimp and salmon are much safer than, say, tuna and yellowtail.

Everyone has their own comfort level when pregnant, but I wouldn't begrudge myself a salmon roll very occaissionally.

This has a handy table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_i n_fish
 
2013-01-15 05:35:19 PM
Mercury... Sweetest of the transition metals.
 
2013-01-15 06:21:01 PM
Did they mention that most of this is from coal-burning plants? if were able to build safer, cheaper, and much cleaner nuclear plants, this would be less of a problem. But thanks to the libs, we have not been able to for decades, so just burn more coal.
 
2013-01-15 06:25:03 PM

whidbey: 84% of all fish

Buh-but industry. Our lives of luxury. Our first-world problems.


I'm pretty sure it's only the relatively affluent first world consumer that has the luxury to pick and choose what type of food they will eat based on mercury contamination.
 
2013-01-15 06:26:10 PM
Did you know that the average fish today contains more mercury than a rectal thermometer?

Would you eat a rectal thermometer?

Well, I would.
 
2013-01-15 06:29:40 PM

kg2095: whidbey: 84% of all fish

Buh-but industry. Our lives of luxury. Our first-world problems.

I'm pretty sure it's only the relatively affluent first world consumer that has the luxury to pick and choose what type of food they will eat based on mercury contamination.


It is annoying though. Just off the top of my head:

Eat fish - the Omega 3 is good for your health. Don't eat fish - the mercury is bad for your health.
Keep out of the sun - the UV radiation can cause malignant melanoma. Make sure you get skin exposure to the sun - it's needed for your body to produce vitamin D.
Don't drink coffee - it's bad for your blood pressure. Drink more coffee - it helps protect against Parkinson's disease, diabetes and certain cancers.
 
2013-01-15 06:40:36 PM
upload.wikimedia.org

/Hey, what's going on in here?

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

//Oh, nothing.
 
2013-01-15 06:51:06 PM
The person in the article said he'd been eating fish twice a day. I wonder what kind of fish and for how long had he been eating it, two servings a day. I mean, the dose does make the poison.

You could probably eat salmon twice a day for a while before accumulating too much mercury. But for lots of other species of fish, not a good idea.
 
2013-01-15 07:02:20 PM
Yay Capitalists, destroying everybody else's capital.
 
2013-01-15 07:05:55 PM
Abe with mercury poisoning, you say?
media.theiapolis.com
 
2013-01-15 07:47:52 PM

xynix: Someone needs to make a fish calculator that will tell you how many of which type of fish you can have per month based on current mercury levels. fishcalculator.com is where something like that could be found..

/dreamer


If I can find the time and it doesn't exist already, sure.
 
2013-01-15 07:53:21 PM

Draq: I feel the need to point out that only albacore tuna has 'unsafe' levels of mercury simply due to the size of the fish and bioaccumulation. Sustainable fishing organizations recommend only eating albacore maybe once a month. Chunk Light tuna is made from a much smaller fish (typically yellowtail or slipjack) and is perfectly safe and more sustainable than albacore to begin with.


I feel the need to point out that

... f--k it I'm on my phone I'll leave the debunking to someone else but nice job twinning sustainability and safe consumption in that post, sport.
 
2013-01-15 08:12:02 PM

mgshamster: cirby: They confuse things a bit by mixing mercury and methylmercury concentrations - but methylmercury is a much, much more toxic substance (and found in much lower concentrations in fish).

Let me get a clarification from you:

Are you saying that methylmercury is found in lower concentrations in fish than elemental mercury?

If so, then I'm going to request a citation. Elemental mercury does not bioconcentrate, bioaccumulate, or biomagnify. It is not lipid soluble. Methylmercury is lipid soluble and does biomagnify, which is why we see larger concentrations in fish that are higher on the food chain.


Elemental is readily converted to methyl in the environment.
 
2013-01-15 08:38:31 PM
Sigh...I literally just finished making a reservation at a seafood place before reading this article.

/ However, the plan was to do oysters, which are relatively safe, as I understand it
// Not worried
 
jvl
2013-01-15 08:50:08 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Why isn't the FDA on all this?


So your theory is that "Biodiversity Research Institute" does impartial science?
 
2013-01-15 11:07:59 PM

stewbert: mgshamster: cirby: They confuse things a bit by mixing mercury and methylmercury concentrations - but methylmercury is a much, much more toxic substance (and found in much lower concentrations in fish).

Let me get a clarification from you:

Are you saying that methylmercury is found in lower concentrations in fish than elemental mercury?

If so, then I'm going to request a citation. Elemental mercury does not bioconcentrate, bioaccumulate, or biomagnify. It is not lipid soluble. Methylmercury is lipid soluble and does biomagnify, which is why we see larger concentrations in fish that are higher on the food chain.

Elemental is readily converted to methyl in the environment.


Not any environment. Just in the water. And specifically by microbes who convert it by active metabolism.

/Methylation doesn't just "readily happen." It requires an enzyme or a lot of energy.
 
2013-01-15 11:15:32 PM

Martian_Astronomer: Sigh...I literally just finished making a reservation at a seafood place before reading this article.

/ However, the plan was to do oysters, which are relatively safe, as I understand it
// Not worried


Might want to read up on shellfish toxicity. As bottom feeders, they're able to accumulate quite a bit of toxins. And since they can't move to a new area, if the area they are in gets contaminated (say, by an oil spill), they'll accumulate a lot of the contaminant, as well.

/enjoy your oysters
//I love me some oysters
///shellfish are regularly tested to ensure they're safe to eat, as long as you trust the gov't
/slashies!
 
2013-01-15 11:32:38 PM
Abe Vigoda Status as of Tuesday January 15 2013 8:29:48 PM PT: Abe Vigoda is alive
 
2013-01-16 01:26:54 AM

kg2095: Don't drink coffee - it's bad for your blood pressure. Drink more coffee - it helps protect against Parkinson's disease, diabetes and certain cancers.


That's my favorite one. Coffee may well be the inter-paradigm gateway we've been seeking between both worlds.
 
2013-01-16 06:01:53 AM

whidbey: mgshamster: whidbey: 84% of all fish

Buh-but industry. Our lives of luxury. Our first-world problems.

Well, technically it's a problem of any culture that relies heavily on a fish diet. Not just first world people.

Um, technically it's a problem that we made ourselves, recently, and we could have avoided it entirely. Decades ago.

/Want to see what mercury does? Read up on the Minamata disaster.
//Did a report on that back in college for a Toxic Tragedies course

Yeah, it's bad stuff. Even in the smallest of amounts.

I'd say that between mercury and plastic, we have some good odds that we could be f*cked as a species.


Yeap.

And then we have the nanoparticles to think about.
 
2013-01-16 01:33:58 PM
Sadly, I live in a state where I haven't been able to eat anything locally caught for decades. Yay for 96% of our power coming from coal! There is no such thing as clean coal, including gasification. fark Duke Energy!
 
2013-01-16 01:36:00 PM

Insatiable Jesus: Yay Capitalists, destroying everybody else's capital.


capitalism is bad for the planet
socialism is bad for humanity
there's no winning
 
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