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(KHOU Houston)   Study finds unsafe mercury levels in 84 percent of all fish -- including Abe Vigoda   (khou.com ) divider line
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2013-01-15 01:21:28 PM  
cdn2-b.examiner.com
/Also had unsafe Mercury levels
 
2013-01-15 01:27:44 PM  

Ennuipoet: /Also had unsafe Mercury levels


Lols.
 
2013-01-15 01:46:21 PM  
I blame Bernice.
 
2013-01-15 01:53:11 PM  
Fun fact: a can of tuna can serve as a handy thermometer
 
2013-01-15 01:59:25 PM  
Eat more Kale.
 
2013-01-15 02:21:26 PM  
ww4.hdnux.com

Last confirmed Vigoda siting-- June 8, 2011-- Abe Vigoda showed up for Meredity Vieira's departure from The Today Show.
 
2013-01-15 02:23:04 PM  
Why do we ignore the warning signs? Does the permafrost have to melt completely?

Why do we ignore the warning signs? How do you think he got this way?

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-15 02:34:31 PM  
Why isn't the FDA on all this?
 
2013-01-15 02:44:57 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Why isn't the FDA on all this?


because it is too hard, and there are wingnuts on both sides of the aisle that have hamstrung the FDA.
 
2013-01-15 02:53:31 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Why isn't the FDA on all this?


It's the FOOD and Drug Administration, not the FISH and Drug Administration

/duh
 
2013-01-15 02:54:05 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Why isn't the FDA on all this?


Knew an FDA inspector back during the last years of Clinton and the first year's of Bush.  The horror stories I heard from her about cutbacks, and actually getting in trouble for reporting problems.  She did inspections at Chicken factories.
 
2013-01-15 02:55:03 PM  

ShawnDoc: Darth_Lukecash: Why isn't the FDA on all this?

Knew an FDA inspector back during the last years of Clinton and the first year's of Bush.  The horror stories I heard from her about cutbacks, and actually getting in trouble for reporting problems.  She did inspections at Chicken factories.


Just to correct myself, it was probably the USDA she worked for, not the FDA.
 
2013-01-15 03:08:18 PM  
Obviously we need to eliminate the EPA.
 
2013-01-15 03:08:34 PM  

ShawnDoc: it was probably the USDA she worked for


Is that, like, the opposite of USADA?

/livestrong!
 
2013-01-15 03:08:43 PM  
A Barney Miller reference? Careful subby, that's an antique.
 
2013-01-15 03:09:29 PM  
84 percent of all fish

But seriously, why did they put the contaminated fish back?
 
2013-01-15 03:10:54 PM  
It's bad enough that we kill them and eat them but do we really need to poison them first?
 
2013-01-15 03:11:15 PM  

Tickle Mittens: A Barney Miller reference? Careful subby, that's an antique.


Now that bassline will be in my head all day

/and that's ok by me
//Jack Soo
 
2013-01-15 03:11:17 PM  
Level at which mercury becomes "unsafe" according to the Federal government: 5 parts per million, set as 1/3 of what they knew from some very large studies to be a safe level (about 15 ppm before any effects are even detected).

Level of mercury found in the fish in the study: between about 0.4 and 1.4 parts per million - from about 1/12 to about 1/3 of actual recommended maximum levels.

Level at which the study arbitrarily sets "unsafe": 0.22 parts per million.

How to get "unsafe" mercury levels in fish: redefine the actual unsafe levels as about 1/20 of what they actually are. From their charts, it looks like they took the lowest level they could detect in any actual fish and divided it by 2.
 
2013-01-15 03:11:43 PM  
I would like to see the seafood caught in Pacific and Alaskan waters tested for radioactivity.

/that's hot
 
2013-01-15 03:16:58 PM  
84% of all fish

Buh-but industry. Our lives of luxury. Our first-world problems.
 
2013-01-15 03:18:15 PM  
Reducing mercury pollution is on the agenda of the United Nations conference this week in Geneva

That's all you needed to know to be very suspicious of the whole thing.

Wait wait, let me guess... We'll do the usual thing where the United States spends a ton of money to abide by the treaty, some countries in Europe and Asia spend a ton of money to abide by the treaty, everyone else makes no effort what so ever and simply profits.
 
2013-01-15 03:25:08 PM  
Teach a man about beavers and we eat contaminated fish.
 
2013-01-15 03:25:43 PM  
:whistles:

phishthoughts.com
 
2013-01-15 03:26:24 PM  
that aint "fresh ocean air" you're huffing...

energized mercury, lol
 
2013-01-15 03:29:56 PM  
Can't win.. Can't eat anything these days without some over eager reporter touting how it's going to KILL US ALL!

It's OK though as I get all my fish from the Gulf so I'm not getting much mercury .. just sweet Texas crude.
 
2013-01-15 03:30:34 PM  

MyNameIsMofuga: It's bad enough that we kill them and eat them but do we really need to poison them first?


THIS!

What has my kind ever done to your people?
 
2013-01-15 03:33:04 PM  

Evil Mackerel: MyNameIsMofuga: It's bad enough that we kill them and eat them but do we really need to poison them first?

THIS!

What has my kind ever done to your people?


You have consistently stood in the way of progress.
 
2013-01-15 03:35:57 PM  

Evil Mackerel: MyNameIsMofuga: It's bad enough that we kill them and eat them but do we really need to poison them first?

THIS!

What has my kind ever done to your people?


1. You're evil
2. You have a face like a mackerel

Shall we go on?
 
2013-01-15 03:36:01 PM  
Well, I guess we won't be seeing a Marillion reunion any time soon.
 
2013-01-15 03:36:36 PM  

Evil Mackerel: MyNameIsMofuga: It's bad enough that we kill them and eat them but do we really need to poison them first?

THIS!

What has my kind ever done to your people?


In our defense you are evil.
 
2013-01-15 03:36:59 PM  

cirby: Level at which mercury becomes "unsafe" according to the Federal government: 5 parts per million, set as 1/3 of what they knew from some very large studies to be a safe level (about 15 ppm before any effects are even detected).


This PDF describes the EPA's calculations of how often it's safe to eat fish based on its mercury level. At 0.22 ppm it's considered safe to have 4 meals per month of that fish. Unrestricted consumption (more than 16 meals per month) requires less than 0.029 ppm.

Maybe your "5 ppm" is referring to accumulated levels in the human body, rather than to safe levels in food?
 
2013-01-15 03:40:23 PM  

whidbey: 84% of all fish

Buh-but industry. Our lives of luxury. Our first-world problems.


Well, technically it's a problem of any culture that relies heavily on a fish diet. Not just first world people.

/Want to see what mercury does? Read up on the Minamata disaster.
//Did a report on that back in college for a Toxic Tragedies course
 
2013-01-15 03:43:41 PM  
atlanticseafoodmarket.com

Mmmmmmm......meeeerrrrcuuurrryyyyy
 
2013-01-15 03:47:32 PM  

mgshamster: whidbey: 84% of all fish

Buh-but industry. Our lives of luxury. Our first-world problems.

Well, technically it's a problem of any culture that relies heavily on a fish diet. Not just first world people.


Um, technically it's a problem that we made ourselves, recently, and we could have avoided it entirely. Decades ago.

/Want to see what mercury does? Read up on the Minamata disaster.
//Did a report on that back in college for a Toxic Tragedies course


Yeah, it's bad stuff. Even in the smallest of amounts.

I'd say that between mercury and plastic, we have some good odds that we could be f*cked as a species.
 
2013-01-15 03:49:59 PM  

cirby: Level at which mercury becomes "unsafe" according to the Federal government: 5 parts per million, set as 1/3 of what they knew from some very large studies to be a safe level (about 15 ppm before any effects are even detected).


1/3? That's kind of a high bar to set from the NOAEL. They must have had a lot of good, solid research. Usually it's set between 10 - 3000 times below the NOAEL.
 
2013-01-15 03:51:03 PM  

mgshamster: Read up on the Minamata disaster.


Oh fark. Now you've put a Dead Kennedys earworm in my branes.
 
2013-01-15 03:52:00 PM  

whidbey: mgshamster: whidbey: 84% of all fish

Buh-but industry. Our lives of luxury. Our first-world problems.

Well, technically it's a problem of any culture that relies heavily on a fish diet. Not just first world people.

Um, technically it's a problem that we made ourselves, recently, and we could have avoided it entirely. Decades ago.

/Want to see what mercury does? Read up on the Minamata disaster.
//Did a report on that back in college for a Toxic Tragedies course

Yeah, it's bad stuff. Even in the smallest of amounts.

I'd say that between mercury and plastic, we have some good odds that we could be f*cked as a species.


What's worse is that levels that are normally perfectly fine for an adult (or even a child) can be damaging to a fetus. I'm very happy that my pregnant wife has developed a food aversion to seafood right now.
 
2013-01-15 03:54:40 PM  
FTFA: A new study from the Biodiversity Research Institute in Maine

/looks them up...

"Small, nonprofit group dedicated to progressive environmental research and education. "

*facepalm*

Real science isn't progressive or conservative, it's just science.
 
2013-01-15 03:54:50 PM  

whidbey: mgshamster: Read up on the Minamata disaster.

Oh fark. Now you've put a Dead Kennedys earworm in my branes.


Heh. Sorry.

I actually haven't heard that song before. Just looked it up. They talk a lot about kepone and Minamata, but I'm not sure what the connection is. The only kepone disaster that I'm aware of happened in Virginia. And Minamata is in Japan.
 
2013-01-15 03:56:40 PM  
Hurray for industry not having to pay for the externalities caused by their activities.
teaminland.com
=
www.textmap.com
 
2013-01-15 03:57:43 PM  
And, just for good measure:
wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-15 03:58:02 PM  
Ivo Shandor:
This PDF describes the EPA's calculations of how often it's safe to eat fish based on its mercury level. At 0.22 ppm it's considered safe to have 4 meals per month of that fish. Unrestricted consumption (more than 16 meals per month) requires less than 0.029 ppm.

Not mercury - methylmercury.

"US EPA, 2000, Table 4-3 (see attachment) presents risk-based fish consumption limits which relate the number of
fish meals that can be eaten per month to fish tissue concentrations of methylmercury."

They confuse things a bit by mixing mercury and methylmercury concentrations - but methylmercury is a much, much more toxic substance (and found in much lower concentrations in fish).
 
2013-01-15 04:01:00 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Darth_Lukecash: Why isn't the FDA on all this?

It's the FOOD and Drug Administration, not the FISH and Drug Administration

/duh


And because fish are FRIENDS, not FOOD
 
2013-01-15 04:02:23 PM  

mgshamster: They talk a lot about kepone and Minamata, but I'm not sure what the connection is.


I think they were trying to make a point about industry poisoning their workers and covering it up.
 
2013-01-15 04:04:10 PM  
Someone needs to make a fish calculator that will tell you how many of which type of fish you can have per month based on current mercury levels. fishcalculator.com is where something like that could be found..

/dreamer
 
zez
2013-01-15 04:07:54 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: ShawnDoc: it was probably the USDA she worked for

Is that, like, the opposite of USADA?

/livestrong!


I prefer the USDVDA
 
2013-01-15 04:08:43 PM  
www.thatsnerdalicious.com

It's still safe if smoked.
 
2013-01-15 04:12:52 PM  
I got a girl in the castle and one in the pagoda.
 
2013-01-15 04:15:52 PM  

Beerguy: [atlanticseafoodmarket.com image 500x375]

Mmmmmmm......meeeerrrrcuuurrryyyyy


YESSSS!!! No amount of mercury will keep me from my sashimi!
 
2013-01-15 04:16:38 PM  
♫ I've got...Mercury poisoning...it's fatal and it don't get better...♫
 
2013-01-15 04:16:57 PM  

cirby: They confuse things a bit by mixing mercury and methylmercury concentrations - but methylmercury is a much, much more toxic substance (and found in much lower concentrations in fish).


Let me get a clarification from you:

Are you saying that methylmercury is found in lower concentrations in fish than elemental mercury?

If so, then I'm going to request a citation. Elemental mercury does not bioconcentrate, bioaccumulate, or biomagnify. It is not lipid soluble. Methylmercury is lipid soluble and does biomagnify, which is why we see larger concentrations in fish that are higher on the food chain.
 
2013-01-15 04:20:23 PM  

whidbey: mgshamster: They talk a lot about kepone and Minamata, but I'm not sure what the connection is.

I think they were trying to make a point about industry poisoning their workers and covering it up.


I still remember the industry's attitude on the Minamata disaster (I wasn't there, I just did a lot of reading on it for a term paper). It was basically, "This would never had been a problem if you people had not have brought it to the world's attention. This is your fault."

I wonder if I still have the book around somewhere.
 
2013-01-15 04:29:46 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-15 04:29:46 PM  
Is shocked...

static.tvfanatic.com
 
2013-01-15 04:30:13 PM  
I feel the need to point out that only albacore tuna has 'unsafe' levels of mercury simply due to the size of the fish and bioaccumulation. Sustainable fishing organizations recommend only eating albacore maybe once a month. Chunk Light tuna is made from a much smaller fish (typically yellowtail or slipjack) and is perfectly safe and more sustainable than albacore to begin with.
 
2013-01-15 04:32:36 PM  
As a person who doesn't eat fish, subsisting on a steady diet of beef from cattle raised within 500 yards of nuclear power plants, I'm getting a kick.
 
2013-01-15 04:34:03 PM  
The Elixir of Life!

Take my pills and immortality can be yours!!!


upload.wikimedia.org

If its good enough for a king its good enough for you!
 
2013-01-15 04:34:25 PM  
Yet the mercury used as a preservative in vaccines is totally safe.

/ducking
 
2013-01-15 04:38:37 PM  

Draq: I feel the need to point out that only albacore tuna has 'unsafe' levels of mercury simply due to the size of the fish and bioaccumulation. Sustainable fishing organizations recommend only eating albacore maybe once a month. Chunk Light tuna is made from a much smaller fish (typically yellowtail or slipjack) and is perfectly safe and more sustainable than albacore to begin with.


I mistyped. Chunk light tuna is MOSTLY slipjack, which is a much smaller fish. Yellowtails are goddamn enormous and do have a significant amount of mercury, but not as much gets into a single can of tuna as with albacore.
 
2013-01-15 04:42:27 PM  

randomjsa: Reducing mercury pollution is on the agenda of the United Nations conference this week in Geneva

That's all you needed to know to be very suspicious of the whole thing.


Oh for fark's sake.
 
2013-01-15 04:43:33 PM  
www.newsfromme.com

I REFUSE TO DIE, BIATCHES.
 
2013-01-15 04:46:24 PM  
i48.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-15 04:55:55 PM  

mgshamster: What's worse is that levels that are normally perfectly fine for an adult (or even a child) can be damaging to a fetus. I'm very happy that my pregnant wife has developed a food aversion to seafood right now.


As a sushi lover who's 9 weeks along, TFA gives me a sad.
 
2013-01-15 05:07:58 PM  
I'm surprised the "progressive" council on science didn't implicate these as te cause

www.simplyteeth.com
/Science doesn't have a progressive or conservative bias
 
2013-01-15 05:12:03 PM  
Wait, they eat a lot of fish in Florida don't they? This explains so much. http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20120725/ARTICLE/120729747

/mercury, bath salts, and meth, oh my!
 
2013-01-15 05:12:49 PM  
Link

ugh
 
2013-01-15 05:13:20 PM  

Dragonblink: mgshamster: What's worse is that levels that are normally perfectly fine for an adult (or even a child) can be damaging to a fetus. I'm very happy that my pregnant wife has developed a food aversion to seafood right now.

As a sushi lover who's 9 weeks along, TFA gives me a sad.


Check this quick reference guide out. http://www.montereybayaquarium.org/cr/cr_seafoodwatch/sfw_health.aspx It conflicts some of the stuff I said earlier, but that was off the top of my head so whatev. In general, if a fish goes near China at any point in its life, it's bad. If it's from the extremely rural US, away from coal plants, it's good. Smaller/younger fish are better. Also quit eating shrimp, the supplies are extremely unstable right now and it's only a matter of time before people start doing shady stuff with it.
 
2013-01-15 05:13:48 PM  
As someone who just came back from a lovely sushi lunch.... meh
 
2013-01-15 05:13:53 PM  

lohphat: FTFA: A new study from the Biodiversity Research Institute in Maine

/looks them up...

"Small, nonprofit group dedicated to progressive environmental research and education. "

*facepalm*

Real science isn't progressive or conservative, it's just science.



Ok, got a competing, non-biased study that paints the opposite picture?
 
2013-01-15 05:15:45 PM  

Dragonblink: mgshamster: What's worse is that levels that are normally perfectly fine for an adult (or even a child) can be damaging to a fetus. I'm very happy that my pregnant wife has developed a food aversion to seafood right now.

As a sushi lover who's 9 weeks along, TFA gives me a sad.


At least you're in common company. My wife is also about 9 weeks along, and she loves sushi as well. She's just been repulsed by fish and other seafood for the past 5 weeks or so.

/Aug 21
 
2013-01-15 05:19:48 PM  
Mercury leveled:
resources2.news.com.au
 
2013-01-15 05:22:10 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Darth_Lukecash: Why isn't the FDA on all this?

It's the FOOD and Drug Administration, not the FISH and Drug Administration

/duh


This is why I love Fark
 
2013-01-15 05:31:39 PM  

Dragonblink: mgshamster: What's worse is that levels that are normally perfectly fine for an adult (or even a child) can be damaging to a fetus. I'm very happy that my pregnant wife has developed a food aversion to seafood right now.

As a sushi lover who's 9 weeks along, TFA gives me a sad.


The worst are the big top of the food chain fish that accumulate a lot of mercury from their prey. Shrimp and salmon are much safer than, say, tuna and yellowtail.

Everyone has their own comfort level when pregnant, but I wouldn't begrudge myself a salmon roll very occaissionally.

This has a handy table: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_i n_fish
 
2013-01-15 05:35:19 PM  
Mercury... Sweetest of the transition metals.
 
2013-01-15 06:21:01 PM  
Did they mention that most of this is from coal-burning plants? if were able to build safer, cheaper, and much cleaner nuclear plants, this would be less of a problem. But thanks to the libs, we have not been able to for decades, so just burn more coal.
 
2013-01-15 06:25:03 PM  

whidbey: 84% of all fish

Buh-but industry. Our lives of luxury. Our first-world problems.


I'm pretty sure it's only the relatively affluent first world consumer that has the luxury to pick and choose what type of food they will eat based on mercury contamination.
 
2013-01-15 06:26:10 PM  
Did you know that the average fish today contains more mercury than a rectal thermometer?

Would you eat a rectal thermometer?

Well, I would.
 
2013-01-15 06:29:40 PM  

kg2095: whidbey: 84% of all fish

Buh-but industry. Our lives of luxury. Our first-world problems.

I'm pretty sure it's only the relatively affluent first world consumer that has the luxury to pick and choose what type of food they will eat based on mercury contamination.


It is annoying though. Just off the top of my head:

Eat fish - the Omega 3 is good for your health. Don't eat fish - the mercury is bad for your health.
Keep out of the sun - the UV radiation can cause malignant melanoma. Make sure you get skin exposure to the sun - it's needed for your body to produce vitamin D.
Don't drink coffee - it's bad for your blood pressure. Drink more coffee - it helps protect against Parkinson's disease, diabetes and certain cancers.
 
2013-01-15 06:40:36 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

/Hey, what's going on in here?

images3.wikia.nocookie.net

//Oh, nothing.
 
2013-01-15 06:51:06 PM  
The person in the article said he'd been eating fish twice a day. I wonder what kind of fish and for how long had he been eating it, two servings a day. I mean, the dose does make the poison.

You could probably eat salmon twice a day for a while before accumulating too much mercury. But for lots of other species of fish, not a good idea.
 
2013-01-15 07:02:20 PM  
Yay Capitalists, destroying everybody else's capital.
 
2013-01-15 07:05:55 PM  
Abe with mercury poisoning, you say?
media.theiapolis.com
 
2013-01-15 07:47:52 PM  

xynix: Someone needs to make a fish calculator that will tell you how many of which type of fish you can have per month based on current mercury levels. fishcalculator.com is where something like that could be found..

/dreamer


If I can find the time and it doesn't exist already, sure.
 
2013-01-15 07:53:21 PM  

Draq: I feel the need to point out that only albacore tuna has 'unsafe' levels of mercury simply due to the size of the fish and bioaccumulation. Sustainable fishing organizations recommend only eating albacore maybe once a month. Chunk Light tuna is made from a much smaller fish (typically yellowtail or slipjack) and is perfectly safe and more sustainable than albacore to begin with.


I feel the need to point out that

... f--k it I'm on my phone I'll leave the debunking to someone else but nice job twinning sustainability and safe consumption in that post, sport.
 
2013-01-15 08:12:02 PM  

mgshamster: cirby: They confuse things a bit by mixing mercury and methylmercury concentrations - but methylmercury is a much, much more toxic substance (and found in much lower concentrations in fish).

Let me get a clarification from you:

Are you saying that methylmercury is found in lower concentrations in fish than elemental mercury?

If so, then I'm going to request a citation. Elemental mercury does not bioconcentrate, bioaccumulate, or biomagnify. It is not lipid soluble. Methylmercury is lipid soluble and does biomagnify, which is why we see larger concentrations in fish that are higher on the food chain.


Elemental is readily converted to methyl in the environment.
 
2013-01-15 08:38:31 PM  
Sigh...I literally just finished making a reservation at a seafood place before reading this article.

/ However, the plan was to do oysters, which are relatively safe, as I understand it
// Not worried
 
jvl
2013-01-15 08:50:08 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Why isn't the FDA on all this?


So your theory is that "Biodiversity Research Institute" does impartial science?
 
2013-01-15 11:07:59 PM  

stewbert: mgshamster: cirby: They confuse things a bit by mixing mercury and methylmercury concentrations - but methylmercury is a much, much more toxic substance (and found in much lower concentrations in fish).

Let me get a clarification from you:

Are you saying that methylmercury is found in lower concentrations in fish than elemental mercury?

If so, then I'm going to request a citation. Elemental mercury does not bioconcentrate, bioaccumulate, or biomagnify. It is not lipid soluble. Methylmercury is lipid soluble and does biomagnify, which is why we see larger concentrations in fish that are higher on the food chain.

Elemental is readily converted to methyl in the environment.


Not any environment. Just in the water. And specifically by microbes who convert it by active metabolism.

/Methylation doesn't just "readily happen." It requires an enzyme or a lot of energy.
 
2013-01-15 11:15:32 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: Sigh...I literally just finished making a reservation at a seafood place before reading this article.

/ However, the plan was to do oysters, which are relatively safe, as I understand it
// Not worried


Might want to read up on shellfish toxicity. As bottom feeders, they're able to accumulate quite a bit of toxins. And since they can't move to a new area, if the area they are in gets contaminated (say, by an oil spill), they'll accumulate a lot of the contaminant, as well.

/enjoy your oysters
//I love me some oysters
///shellfish are regularly tested to ensure they're safe to eat, as long as you trust the gov't
/slashies!
 
2013-01-15 11:32:38 PM  
Abe Vigoda Status as of Tuesday January 15 2013 8:29:48 PM PT: Abe Vigoda is alive
 
2013-01-16 01:26:54 AM  

kg2095: Don't drink coffee - it's bad for your blood pressure. Drink more coffee - it helps protect against Parkinson's disease, diabetes and certain cancers.


That's my favorite one. Coffee may well be the inter-paradigm gateway we've been seeking between both worlds.
 
2013-01-16 06:01:53 AM  

whidbey: mgshamster: whidbey: 84% of all fish

Buh-but industry. Our lives of luxury. Our first-world problems.

Well, technically it's a problem of any culture that relies heavily on a fish diet. Not just first world people.

Um, technically it's a problem that we made ourselves, recently, and we could have avoided it entirely. Decades ago.

/Want to see what mercury does? Read up on the Minamata disaster.
//Did a report on that back in college for a Toxic Tragedies course

Yeah, it's bad stuff. Even in the smallest of amounts.

I'd say that between mercury and plastic, we have some good odds that we could be f*cked as a species.


Yeap.

And then we have the nanoparticles to think about.
 
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