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(Washington Post)   Chuck Schumer (D-idn't even have to say it): "Am I an anti-semite, too?"   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 104
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2013-01-15 02:01:00 PM  
In American politics, the phrase "anti-Semite" pretty much means anyone who doesn't support the state of Israel 100% in everything it does. In other words, it's lost all meaning.
 
2013-01-15 02:01:43 PM  
Jews did it.
 
2013-01-15 02:04:18 PM  
Hey, Anthony Weiner was Jewish too, and he was not only an anti-Semite but a sekrit Muslim (converted by his wife, donchaknow).
 
2013-01-15 02:05:41 PM  
Republican definition of racism 2013: an active member of the KKK. Or the Aryan nations. And only if that person used their racism to actively hurt somebody.

Republican definition of anti-semitism 2013: anyone who doesn't enthusiastically support the Likud party platform in total.
 
2013-01-15 02:07:15 PM  
Hagel expressed deep regret at his "Jewish lobby" remark years ago when referring to AIPAC.

"He was very devastated by it, looking back," Boxer said.


Hagel was right about AIPAC. The fact that he's been forced to recant and modify his statements over and over since that time is proof positive of that.

That noted, I hope he gets the gig.
 
2013-01-15 02:07:25 PM  

Arkanaut: Hey, Anthony Weiner was Jewish too, and he was not only an anti-Semite but a sekrit Muslim (converted by his wife, donchaknow).


That's why he sent pictures of his dong all over. THAT'S AMERICA UNDER SHARIA, PEOPLE! UWIE EVERYWHERE!
 
2013-01-15 02:08:29 PM  

BSABSVR: Republican definition of racism 2013: an active member of the KKK. Or the Aryan nations. And only if that person used their racism to actively hurt somebody.

Republican definition of anti-semitism 2013: anyone who doesn't enthusiastically support the Likud party platform in total.


Actively hurt someone physically and directly, you mean.
 
2013-01-15 02:08:51 PM  
 
2013-01-15 02:08:52 PM  
No, that means he's self hating and the only way to love himself again is abject fealty to the Israeli right wing.
 
2013-01-15 02:10:08 PM  

BSABSVR: Arkanaut: Hey, Anthony Weiner was Jewish too, and he was not only an anti-Semite but a sekrit Muslim (converted by his wife, donchaknow).

That's why he sent pictures of his dong all over. THAT'S AMERICA UNDER SHARIA, PEOPLE! UWIE EVERYWHERE!


What religious code would we have to be under to make UBIE and not UWIE?
 
2013-01-15 02:11:30 PM  
Oy snap.
 
2013-01-15 02:12:35 PM  

The_Sponge: Nope, just an asshole:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/schumer-call-large-gun-retailers -v oluntarily-cease-selling-assault-weapons-article-1.1239038?localLinksE nabled=false


For farks sake, there are not one but TWO threads right below this one where NY gun control is already being discussed. You pro-gun/anti-gun crowd types can't at least keep your stupid pointless debates there instead of thread-jacking other topics?

/I bet you were subby to at least one of those threads too
 
2013-01-15 02:12:43 PM  

Pincy: In American politics, the phrase "anti-Semite" pretty much means anyone who doesn't support the state of Israel 100% in everything it does. In other words, it's lost all meaning.


That's actually not enough anymore. The key here is attributing 100% of the responsibility for the current situation to the Palestinians, and giving zero concessions to them. There are certain things that Israel has done which doesn't make that assumption, so you actually have to criticize Israel from the right on those things in order not to be an anti-Semite.
 
2013-01-15 02:15:57 PM  

Arkanaut: Hey, Anthony Weiner was Jewish too, and he was not only an anti-Semite but a sekrit Muslim (converted by his wife, donchaknow).


Sorry, your conspiracy theory ended early, he is really still Jewish since he is only a beard for his wife so she can continue banging Hillary Clinton duhhh
 
2013-01-15 02:16:24 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: /I bet you were subby to at least one of those threads too


Nope.
 
2013-01-15 02:16:25 PM  
I dunno, do you have your free Israeli-America friendship pen?
 
2013-01-15 02:17:41 PM  
I really hope Hagel gets the necessary committee approval

/ In the Knesset
 
2013-01-15 02:19:05 PM  

Martian_Astronomer: BSABSVR: Republican definition of racism 2013: an active member of the KKK. Or the Aryan nations. And only if that person used their racism to actively hurt somebody.

Republican definition of anti-semitism 2013: anyone who doesn't enthusiastically support the Likud party platform in total.

Actively hurt someone physically and directly, you mean.


Yes. And even then it depends on context. Maybe he was trying to help the auicidal black man out of the tree, for instance.
 
2013-01-15 02:19:11 PM  
JINO!!
 
2013-01-15 02:19:57 PM  

SilentStrider: BSABSVR: Arkanaut: Hey, Anthony Weiner was Jewish too, and he was not only an anti-Semite but a sekrit Muslim (converted by his wife, donchaknow).

That's why he sent pictures of his dong all over. THAT'S AMERICA UNDER SHARIA, PEOPLE! UWIE EVERYWHERE!

What religious code would we have to be under to make UBIE and not UWIE?


I think that's shania law.
 
2013-01-15 02:22:08 PM  
I think the rule says if you ever vote against any aid for Israel; you are an anti-Semite.

How did you vote Chuck?
 
2013-01-15 02:22:18 PM  

Pincy: In American politics Republicanese, the phrase "anti-Semite" pretty much means anyone who doesn't support the state most hawkish, warmongering political faction of Israel 100% in everything it does. In other words, it's lost all meaning.


ftfy
 
2013-01-15 02:25:51 PM  
Here's Chuck Hagel's Apology Letter To Democrats
Addresses his past use of the term "Jewish lobby," and his opposition to Don't Ask, Don't Tell in a letter to Sen. Barbara Boxer.

Link
 
2013-01-15 02:29:22 PM  
t0.gstatic.com

/oblig
 
2013-01-15 02:30:40 PM  

Pincy: In American politics, the phrase "anti-Semite" pretty much means anyone who doesn't support the state of Israel 100% in everything it does. In other words, it's lost all meaning.


1. Pretty much. I've been called an "Anti-Semite" for comparing Israel and Palestine to two toddlers fighting over a toy.

2. Alternative: Anyone who isn't a Republican, considering that even the completely pro-Israel Democrats get called anti-Semitic for daring to work under that Muslim Time Lord.
 
2013-01-15 02:33:36 PM  

BSABSVR: Arkanaut: Hey, Anthony Weiner was Jewish too, and he was not only an anti-Semite but a sekrit Muslim (converted by his wife, donchaknow).

That's why he sent pictures of his dong all over. THAT'S AMERICA UNDER SHARIA, PEOPLE! UWIE EVERYWHERE!


Well, speaking for myself, that wouldn't be so very bad.........
 
2013-01-15 02:34:17 PM  
"Schumer, the No. 3 Democrat and most Jewish senator "

I read the above just like that, and was very confused for a hot second.
 
2013-01-15 02:38:02 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: [words]


No, I don't know why I put "Anti-Semite/Semitic" in quotes the first time but not the second time.
 
2013-01-15 02:38:31 PM  
Hagel also pledged to continue supporting the delivery of F-35 Joint Strike Fighters to Israel and in general supported Israel's right to a strong "qualitative military edge," as its leaders like to assert.

I have no problem with this as long as they actually PAY for them. None of this bullshiat we'll "sell" them to Israel but then give them a matching amount of aid to pay for them.

Side note:
So I started a new game of CiV5 yesterday, random nation. Playing as Germans and when I got to the "choose religion" part it turns out that half of them including Christianity were taken. But Judaism wasn't. So now I'm playing as German Jews trying to take over the world (starting with the Byzantines and a few small national states; Carthage and the Mongolians are next). Is it racist that all the religious tenets I choose for this game are also financial based?
 
2013-01-15 02:39:52 PM  

BSABSVR: SilentStrider: BSABSVR: Arkanaut: Hey, Anthony Weiner was Jewish too, and he was not only an anti-Semite but a sekrit Muslim (converted by his wife, donchaknow).

That's why he sent pictures of his dong all over. THAT'S AMERICA UNDER SHARIA, PEOPLE! UWIE EVERYWHERE!

What religious code would we have to be under to make UBIE and not UWIE?

I think that's shania law.


I think it's just Shani law.
 
2013-01-15 02:44:02 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: Fluorescent Testicle: [words]

No, I don't know why I put "Anti-Semite/Semitic" in quotes the first time but not the second time.


Could it be because you hate Jews?
 
2013-01-15 02:46:20 PM  
Of course Chucky us an anti-Semite. He is also anti-America, anti gun anti Constitution anti freedom etc. The boy is a card carrying Nazi.
 
2013-01-15 02:46:59 PM  

Hagel just kissed and made up with various Pro-Israel congresspeople.

C Schumer


In a boon for the Obama administration's efforts to advance the nomination Chuck Hagel as secretary of defense, Senator Charles E. Schumer of New York told President Obama on Tuesday that he was optimistic that he could vote for Mr. Hagel's confirmation based on his grilling of Mr. Hagel on a variety of issues pertaining to Israel and Iran.

After a 90-minute meeting in the West Wing of the White House on Monday, Mr. Schumer appeared to be mollified on a number of concerns he has with some votes Mr. Hagel made while serving in the Senate and myriad comments he has subsequently made regarding the nuclear threat of Iran and other matters.


Barbara Boxer

Chuck Hagel is moving to assuage concerns raised by pro-Israel Democrats over his nomination as defense secretary, laying out a hawkish posture toward Iran and Hezbollah and apologizing for characterizing powerful activists as the "Jewish lobby."

In a letter to California Sen. Barbara Boxer, a Jewish Democrat, Hagel said he fully supports unilateral sanctions on Iran and condemned Hezbollah as a terrorist threat to Israel. He called it "a very poor choice of words" when he referred in a 2006 interview that the "Jewish lobby" tends to "intimidate" lawmakers, saying he understands how such words "can be construed as anti-Israel."


Plus Hagel used to argue against unilateral actions against Iran. Not any more.
 
2013-01-15 02:47:47 PM  
Where's that guy, you know who he is, who used to get really riled up and pissed when I pointed out that arabs are semitic people too? I miss him.
 
2013-01-15 02:49:11 PM  

Pincy: In American politics, the phrase "anti-Semite" pretty much means anyone who doesn't support the state of Israel 100% in everything it does. In other words, it's lost all meaning.


In American politics the "anything anti-Israel is anti-Semitic" is shorthand for "I want to argue, but I don't think I can do so without saying something patently offensive".

Lay out your argument. Only then can we know if it's anti-Semitic.

// if you just want to kvetch, though, let us know
// hock me a tchaynik, puddin'
 
2013-01-15 02:49:34 PM  
I can't stand the man. The whole glasses on the nose as he looks over them.

Hey Chuck
They have bifocal glasses these days . The who 'I am a Harvard Lawyer " in the whinny voice.

(Larry David said of his cousin whining voice has been inspiring anti semitic hate from fellow Jews.)

Every time I hear 'I am Harvard lawyer I make a $5.00 donation to Strommfront. using Israeli shekels.

// Plus he's an areshose.
 
2013-01-15 02:52:58 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Pincy: In American politics, the phrase "anti-Semite" pretty much means anyone who doesn't support the state of Israel 100% in everything it does. In other words, it's lost all meaning.

In American politics the "anything anti-Israel is anti-Semitic" is shorthand for "I want to argue, but I don't think I can do so without saying something patently offensive".

Lay out your argument. Only then can we know if it's anti-Semitic.

// if you just want to kvetch, though, let us know
// hock me a tchaynik, puddin'


You are coming perilously close to proving his point.
 
2013-01-15 02:53:40 PM  

Dr Dreidel: In American politics the "anything anti-Israel is anti-Semitic" is shorthand for "I want to argue, but I don't think I can do so without saying something patently offensive".

Lay out your argument. Only then can we know if it's anti-Semitic.

// if you just want to kvetch, though, let us know
// hock me a tchaynik, puddin'


There certainly is some of that, but fairly straightforward opposition to settlement expansion in the west bank is pretty routinely labeled as anti-semitism.
 
2013-01-15 02:56:19 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: I might be wrong, but the GOP doesn't seem to care at all about Jews who aren't Israeli.


This has been untrue since the neoconservatives came in and purged most the paeloconservatives from the GOP.
 
2013-01-15 02:57:56 PM  
You're looking lovely, thread. Have you lost weight?
 
2013-01-15 03:02:50 PM  

Dr.Mxyzptlk.: I can't stand the man. The whole glasses on the nose as he looks over them.


You must really hate Sen. Levin

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-15 03:04:03 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: You are coming perilously close to proving his point.


I'm merely asking for his argument. Until I observe it, it is both anti-Semitic and pro-Semitic.

FireZs: There certainly is some of that, but fairly straightforward opposition to settlement expansion in the west bank is pretty routinely labeled as anti-semitism.


So? People also say that all taxation is theft. If someone tries to shortcut your (presumably non-offensive) argument by labeling it as anti-Semitic, walk away. You're probably not sitting in a TV/radio studio if that happens.

People getting all butthurt that they can't criticize Israel for fear they'll be labeled "anti-Semites" smacks of the same logic that people use when they say they can't criticize poor city-dwellers for fear of being labeled racists. Neither argument is correct, and anyone cutting off a well-reasoned position of yours in that way likely doesn't have one of their own.
 
2013-01-15 03:06:15 PM  

Dr Dreidel: Philip Francis Queeg: You are coming perilously close to proving his point.

I'm merely asking for his argument. Until I observe it, it is both anti-Semitic and pro-Semitic.


So then why did you imply that he wanted to say something "patently offensive" rather than say "reasonable and fair"?
 
2013-01-15 03:07:03 PM  

Dr Dreidel: People getting all butthurt that they can't criticize Israel for fear they'll be labeled "anti-Semites"


Not so much fear as rendering the term all but useless in discussion.
 
2013-01-15 03:10:20 PM  

Dr Dreidel: People getting all butthurt that they can't criticize Israel for fear they'll be labeled "anti-Semites" smacks of the same logic that people use when they say they can't criticize poor city-dwellers for fear of being labeled racists. Neither argument is correct, and anyone cutting off a well-reasoned position of yours in that way likely doesn't have one of their own.


That's not the same logic at all.

People who criticize the way inner cities ARE RUN are not called racist against minorities. However, Israel is the only country that one can criticize the policies of one country and be accused of hating an entire race/religion (Jews manage to be considered both).

That is the worst analogy I've heard all week.
 
2013-01-15 03:13:26 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Dr Dreidel: Philip Francis Queeg: You are coming perilously close to proving his point.

I'm merely asking for his argument. Until I observe it, it is both anti-Semitic and pro-Semitic.

So then why did you imply that he wanted to say something "patently offensive" rather than say "reasonable and fair"?


Because he'd rather whine about being called an AS than actually engage in debate? Maybe I should have called him scared (or a delicate flower) rather than potentially an AS.

I would, of course, prefer an actual debate to this debate about the terms of the debate, but whatever

Fart_Machine: Dr Dreidel: People getting all butthurt that they can't criticize Israel for fear they'll be labeled "anti-Semites"

Not so much fear as rendering the term all but useless in discussion.


So let's not make the discussion useless by actually having one, instead of pussyfooting around it by wondering how much of what type of criticism one can endure before calling everyone else an AS.

// really, I'm exhorting us to not fear being labeled
// if your position is cogent and reasonable (and free from phrases like "damned dirty Christ-killers"), reasonable people will debate accordingly
// and everyone else can gay kack in yam ("go shiat in the ocean", in Yiddish)
 
2013-01-15 03:16:29 PM  

Mugato: That is the worst analogy I've heard all week.


So ignore the analogy.

"Make your argument. THEN, the audience can decide for themselves whether it's anti-Semitic, rather than you stating up front that your criticism of Israel is likely to be read as anti-Semitic." - that was the point.

// does it work without the analogy?
// I'm going from the hip, man - no time to be 100% accurate with my analogies
 
2013-01-15 03:18:21 PM  

Dr Dreidel: So? People also say that all taxation is theft. If someone tries to shortcut your (presumably non-offensive) argument by labeling it as anti-Semitic, walk away. You're probably not sitting in a TV/radio studio if that happens.

People getting all butthurt that they can't criticize Israel for fear they'll be labeled "anti-Semites" smacks of the same logic that people use when they say they can't criticize poor city-dwellers for fear of being labeled racists. Neither argument is correct, and anyone cutting off a well-reasoned position of yours in that way likely doesn't have one of their own.


Except the context here isn't just about people being able to criticize Israel on the internets. TFA, after all, is about a cabinet candidate being called an anti-semite for insufficient support of Israel. That's the actual sentiment behind the "anything anti-Israel is anti-Semitic" complaint. Is it fine that the vast majority of our elected officials support Israel, an important ally of the US? Of course. But this level of labeling someone who is actually pro-Israel as a secret anti-semite because he doesn't support everything the Israeli right wing supports is going way too far.
 
2013-01-15 03:18:22 PM  

Dr Dreidel: gay kack in yam


:snort:
 
2013-01-15 03:18:48 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // if your position is cogent and reasonable (and free from phrases like "damned dirty Christ-killers"), reasonable people will debate accordingly


Yeah, except we're not talking about reasonable people, we're talking about Republicans.
 
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