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2013-01-15 02:18:36 PM  
Aren't there manufacturers shipping machines without optical disk readers now? Maybe the new iMac or something?

From the fate of the Floppy, I'm guessing that if Apple's killed them, everyone else is not far behind.
 
2013-01-15 02:32:30 PM  
So they are making their own ROM and getting this message that nobody outside of that ROM will ever see.... this is news how? Stop screwing with the phones and use them the way they were designed.
 
2013-01-15 03:14:10 PM  
LOL stupid Micro$oft Win-doze phone!

My iPhone doesn't even need a disk, because of the retina display.

Sent from my iPhone 5
 
2013-01-15 03:25:05 PM  

Parthenogenetic: LOL stupid Micro$oft Win-doze phone!

My iPhone doesn't even need a disk, because of the retina display.

Sent from my iPhone 5


Eh... 1/10. You're no Mike.
 
2013-01-15 03:29:51 PM  
They flashed a Windows 8 phone making it unable to boot then got a Windows error message? How ever could that be?
 
2013-01-15 03:31:40 PM  

TNel: So they are making their own ROM and getting this message that nobody outside of that ROM will ever see.... this is news how? Stop screwing with the phones and use them the way they were designed.


Because it's funny.

Lighten up, Francis.

/and no, I, for one, will not stop "screwing around" with my phone.
//make me.
 
2013-01-15 03:34:01 PM  
I got this one the other day:

i.imgur.com

Good to know.
 
2013-01-15 03:34:21 PM  
This is just the updated EFI equivalent to this generally fear inducing message, correct?


NTLDR is missing
Press Ctrl+Alt+Del to restart
 
2013-01-15 03:34:22 PM  
Why are people making ROMs for a closed source OS? How much improvement can you possibly do without any source code?
 
2013-01-15 03:36:16 PM  

PirateKing: I got this one the other day:

[i.imgur.com image 217x171]

Good to know.


You were using a version of Dreamweaver by Macromedia the other day?
 
2013-01-15 03:36:49 PM  

styckx: Why are people making ROMs for a closed source OS? How much improvement can you possibly do without any source code?


I read that error as the boot loader not finding the OS code, so they're probably not trying to mess with Windows Phone 8, so much as trying to boot some other OS on the hardware.
 
2013-01-15 03:37:06 PM  

unlikely: Aren't there manufacturers shipping machines without optical disk readers now? Maybe the new iMac or something?

From the fate of the Floppy, I'm guessing that if Apple's killed them, everyone else is not far behind.


Lots of laptops, for sure. I don't know why anyone really would WANT an optical drive. They're way more of a pain than they're worth.
 
2013-01-15 03:38:02 PM  

seanpg71: styckx: Why are people making ROMs for a closed source OS? How much improvement can you possibly do without any source code?

I read that error as the boot loader not finding the OS code, so they're probably not trying to mess with Windows Phone 8, so much as trying to boot some other OS on the hardware.


Ahh.. Yes.. You have a point there...
 
2013-01-15 03:47:05 PM  

meanmutton: unlikely: Aren't there manufacturers shipping machines without optical disk readers now? Maybe the new iMac or something?

From the fate of the Floppy, I'm guessing that if Apple's killed them, everyone else is not far behind.

Lots of laptops, for sure. I don't know why anyone really would WANT an optical drive. They're way more of a pain than they're worth.


My Blu-Ray copy of The Avengers also included the movie on DVD. Watching scenes from the movie occupied some of my time before I left work.
 
2013-01-15 03:49:21 PM  

meanmutton: I don't know why anyone really would WANT an optical drive.


People still own a lot of media stored on disks.
Some people like to OWN their software instead of just leasing it.
Slow download speeds can make for long frustrating waits.
People like to back up files.
Some folks don't trust the "cloud" and who can blame them?
There are a lot more reasons but that should give you the general idea.
 
2013-01-15 03:54:51 PM  
My favorite error to date comes from the good people at Xilinx which was something along the lines of:
Error: An error has occurred (Error)
 
2013-01-15 03:55:02 PM  
See Apple, the people demanding cell phones have CD-ROM expansion slots were right after all. Curse you and your locked-down walled garden jihadist phone.
 
2013-01-15 03:56:03 PM  

red5ish: Some people like to OWN their software instead of just leasing it.


You realize that even WITH a disc, it's the exact same? But I digress because that is a can of worms.
 
2013-01-15 03:57:33 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-15 03:58:01 PM  

red5ish: meanmutton: I don't know why anyone really would WANT an optical drive.

People still own a lot of media stored on disks.
Some people like to OWN their software instead of just leasing it.
Slow download speeds can make for long frustrating waits.
People like to back up files.
Some folks don't trust the "cloud" and who can blame them?
There are a lot more reasons but that should give you the general idea.


hate to break it to you, but even if you have a particular copy of a software on a disk you do not "own" that software. What you bought is a Software License. The medium does not change this

/pet peeve of mine
 
2013-01-15 04:02:03 PM  

unlikely: Aren't there manufacturers shipping machines without optical disk readers now? Maybe the new iMac or something?

From the fate of the Floppy, I'm guessing that if Apple's killed them, everyone else is not far behind.


Our director ordered two dell xps laptops. No optical drive or nic
 
2013-01-15 04:03:11 PM  
Keyboard not found. Think F1 to continue.

Critical Error. (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer?

KlingDOS: Strike any user to continue.
 
2013-01-15 04:04:46 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: unlikely: Aren't there manufacturers shipping machines without optical disk readers now? Maybe the new iMac or something?

From the fate of the Floppy, I'm guessing that if Apple's killed them, everyone else is not far behind.

Our director ordered two dell xps laptops. No optical drive or nic


So...with no network interface, how do you work?
 
2013-01-15 04:06:16 PM  

styckx: Why are people making ROMs for a closed source OS? How much improvement can you possibly do without any source code?


Not sure about Windows 8, but back in the WinMo 2003, 2005, and 6 days, you could download the SDK and OS kernel (WinCE at the time) and customize it as you saw fit Basically like Android, though not open-sourced.
 
2013-01-15 04:06:44 PM  
Mess with the bootloader; get on the horn.

/I love how the author waited until the comment from windows support before explained how 'random' the error actually was
 
2013-01-15 04:08:22 PM  

Lexx: Unoriginal_Username: unlikely: Aren't there manufacturers shipping machines without optical disk readers now? Maybe the new iMac or something?

From the fate of the Floppy, I'm guessing that if Apple's killed them, everyone else is not far behind.

Our director ordered two dell xps laptops. No optical drive or nic

So...with no network interface, how do you work?


I think he means no RJ45 plug, just WiFi.
 
2013-01-15 04:08:33 PM  
Ultra fail, the screen isn't even blue!
 
2013-01-15 04:10:17 PM  

Unoriginal_Username: unlikely: Aren't there manufacturers shipping machines without optical disk readers now? Maybe the new iMac or something?

From the fate of the Floppy, I'm guessing that if Apple's killed them, everyone else is not far behind.

Our director ordered two dell xps laptops. No optical drive or nic


While I think its still a little premature to forgo the RJ45 port I've decided I'm no longer putting optical drives into my PCs or servers, I've got a USB optical drive and at this point I don't own any computers that can't be booted from USB nor do I really install any software via optical except for the OS and even then I'm amassing a herd of USB sticks with OS installers on them.
 
2013-01-15 04:14:37 PM  
But if you have physical posession of a readable disc, your rights under that license cannot be unilaterally revoked by the vendor, say, by shutting down the activation server. (What happened last week at a certain large software vendor was wonderful, and I hope it sets a de facto industry precedent as the first generations of online-activation-required software reach EOL, but they were under no obligation to do so.)

Why does the first-sale doctrine apply to books, but not to software? What was so wrong with license provisions like this?

"This software is protected by both United States copyright law and international copyright treaty provisions. Therefore, you must treat this software just like a book, except that you may copy it onto a computer to be used and you may make archival copies of the software for the sole purpose of backing-up our software and protecting your investment from loss. By saying "just like a book," $VENDOR means, for example, that this software may be used by any number of people, and may be freely moved from one computer location to another, so long as there is no possibility of it being used at one location while it's being used at another or on a computer network by more than one user at one location. Just like a book can't be read by two different people in two different places at the same time, neither can the software be used by two different people in two different places at the same time. (Unless, of course, $VENDOR's copyright has been violated or the use is on a computer network by up to the number of users authorized by additional $VENDOR licenses as explained below.) [...]"

/oldschool Borland-style.
 
2013-01-15 04:24:30 PM  

Lexx: Unoriginal_Username: unlikely: Aren't there manufacturers shipping machines without optical disk readers now? Maybe the new iMac or something?

From the fate of the Floppy, I'm guessing that if Apple's killed them, everyone else is not far behind.

Our director ordered two dell xps laptops. No optical drive or nic

So...with no network interface, how do you work?


The way things are going, especially with the drive toward ever-thinner laptops, it won't be long when the only common ports you'll see are USB (and Thunderbolt on Macs) and perhaps HDMI. RJ45 and VGA are too thick. We recently received our quadrennial laptop upgrades and many of them no longer have the former variety of ports; you just connect to a device hub (it's not really a "docking station" like they used to be) from your USB port. The hub has everything else; more USB ports for external devices, video, network connection, etc. Of course, if you travel somewhere you'll need to connect directly to a projector or network cable, you're now fated to carrying a bunch of adapters. Not a big deal once you get through the transition, though, that's progress. We ditched parallel and 9-pin serial ports in most laptops a decade ago.
 
2013-01-15 04:35:00 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: We ditched parallel and 9-pin serial ports in most laptops a decade ago.


Something for which Prolific and FTDI give their most sincere thanks.
 
2013-01-15 04:53:20 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: it won't be long when the only common ports you'll see are USB (and Thunderbolt on Macs) and perhaps HDMI. RJ45 and VGA are too thick.


I wouldn't be surprised if it narrowed down to all USB3 and mDP. HDMI is serviceable, but DisplayPort / mini DisplayPort are going into laptops and graphics cards, and handle higher resolutions. Right now the Ethernet jack is the biggest port on a laptop when it comes to height, but unless we switch to fiber (like TOSLINK or something) you can't fully replace the Ethernet jack's function as a hard-line connection.
 
2013-01-15 05:28:08 PM  
Subby?

Fail tag? You couldn't be bothered to read the article you were submitting? That's the fail here.
 
2013-01-15 05:29:15 PM  
I worked in a call center many years ago. I've never talked crap about unskilled computer users - everyone has to learn - but sometimes...

My favorite was a guy who called and, when I asked him what brand of computer he had, he said it was a "Compa-Q." Pronouncing the "Q" as...well, "Q."

His problem? He had put a 3.5" disk in the CD tray and the tray was stuck.
 
2013-01-15 05:36:03 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: My favorite was a guy who called and, when I asked him what brand of computer he had, he said it was a "Compa-Q." Pronouncing the "Q" as...well, "Q."


TBH, that's a better name. "Is your computer a Compaq?" "No, it's normal sized"
 
2013-01-15 05:36:53 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: I worked in a call center many years ago. I've never talked crap about unskilled computer users - everyone has to learn - but sometimes...

My favorite was a guy who called and, when I asked him what brand of computer he had, he said it was a "Compa-Q." Pronouncing the "Q" as...well, "Q."

His problem? He had put a 3.5" disk in the CD tray and the tray was stuck.


Then what was he using for a drink holder?
 
2013-01-15 05:41:28 PM  
i172.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-15 06:06:03 PM  

TheAlmightyOS: hate to break it to you, but even if you have a particular copy of a software on a disk you do not "own" that software. What you bought is a Software License. The medium does not change this

/pet peeve of mine


Sorry to have hit your pet peeve. I DO realize I have bought a software license. When I retire an old computer and upgrade to a new machine I like to have the program disks. I dislike having to go online and explain what I am doing and justify why I should be allowed to load and run a program I have paid for (the license!) on my new machine. It's getting harder to do with all the protections companies have been putting in place. I understand why the companies are doing it, but it wastes my time and their time; I'm not making copies to sell or give away.
I also like to have the disks if a program gets corrupted and needs wiping and reloading. Download speeds can be frustratingly slow when it comes to large programs. Ain't nobody got time for that.
 
2013-01-15 07:10:50 PM  

Lexx: Unoriginal_Username: unlikely: Aren't there manufacturers shipping machines without optical disk readers now? Maybe the new iMac or something?

From the fate of the Floppy, I'm guessing that if Apple's killed them, everyone else is not far behind.

Our director ordered two dell xps laptops. No optical drive or nic

So...with no network interface, how do you work?


It's got wireless which is good for most folks, but I can see an older person being sold this because it's small, lightweight. They bring it home, only to find out that they can't get online because they don't have a wireless network.
 
2013-01-15 07:54:04 PM  

Harvey Manfrenjensenjen: Lexx: Unoriginal_Username: unlikely: Aren't there manufacturers shipping machines without optical disk readers now? Maybe the new iMac or something?

From the fate of the Floppy, I'm guessing that if Apple's killed them, everyone else is not far behind.

Our director ordered two dell xps laptops. No optical drive or nic

So...with no network interface, how do you work?

The way things are going, especially with the drive toward ever-thinner laptops, it won't be long when the only common ports you'll see are USB (and Thunderbolt on Macs) and perhaps HDMI. RJ45 and VGA are too thick. We recently received our quadrennial laptop upgrades and many of them no longer have the former variety of ports; you just connect to a device hub (it's not really a "docking station" like they used to be) from your USB port. The hub has everything else; more USB ports for external devices, video, network connection, etc. Of course, if you travel somewhere you'll need to connect directly to a projector or network cable, you're now fated to carrying a bunch of adapters. Not a big deal once you get through the transition, though, that's progress. We ditched parallel and 9-pin serial ports in most laptops a decade ago.


The funny thing is there is no reason to ditch ethernet ports just to make a machine thinner. 3com solved that problem at least a decade ago. They had PCMCIA ethernet cards with what they called xjack connectors on them.

upload.wikimedia.org

You juck press on the connector, it pops out, and you plug your ethernet cable straight down into it. When you are done you unplug, press the connector back in and it clicks into place and stays there hidden and protected.

Ruggidize the connector by making it a full metal frame instead of plastic (except for the insulation between pins) and build it into modern laptops/netbooks/tablets and the problem is solved. I don't know if everybody in the industry just forgot about that design or doesn't want to pay a licensing fee or what but there is the solution. Gigabit ethernet connections with a connector that is still only a few millimeters thick.

Unoriginal_Username:
It's got wireless which is good for most folks, but I can see an older person being sold this because it's small, lightweight. They bring it home, only to find out that they can't get online because they don't have a wireless network.


Older? Try anybody moving around large amounts of data. Especially on corporate networks. Video editing, databases, rendering, high end photography, etc... Gigabit ethernet has been fairly common for a long time (at least as time is measured in the computing world) and now some have moved on to 10 gigabit connections. On top of that there are ALWAYS concerns regarding security with wifi plus problems with interference.
 
2013-01-15 07:54:06 PM  

rufus-t-firefly: I worked in a call center many years ago. I've never talked crap about unskilled computer users - everyone has to learn - but sometimes...

My favorite was a guy who called and, when I asked him what brand of computer he had, he said it was a "Compa-Q." Pronouncing the "Q" as...well, "Q."

His problem? He had put a 3.5" disk in the CD tray and the tray was stuck.


The mispronounciation of the name isn't out of the ballpark, as Compaq's logo is, in various forms, a giant "Q".
passion.compaq.free.fr
It's a reasonable mistake to make, really, especially if you're using the same symbol in the name to represent the letter "Q".
 
2013-01-15 08:15:49 PM  

ProfessorOhki: My favorite error to date comes from the good people at Xilinx which was something along the lines of:
Error: An error has occurred (Error)


Mine is the error: success I sometimes see with gtk apps
 
2013-01-15 08:28:02 PM  

seanpg71: styckx: Why are people making ROMs for a closed source OS? How much improvement can you possibly do without any source code?

I read that error as the boot loader not finding the OS code, so they're probably not trying to mess with Windows Phone 8, so much as trying to boot some other OS on the hardware.


The Windows Phone 8 handsets are similar to a Galaxy S3 under the hood, so I've been wondering why it took this long for someone to try to put Android on them. The OS has SecureBoot to try to stop such shenanigans, but those kinds of security measures have rarely stopped anyone in the past.
 
2013-01-15 08:42:37 PM  

Twilight Farkle: But if you have physical posession of a readable disc, your rights under that license cannot be unilaterally revoked by the vendor, say, by shutting down the activation server. (What happened last week at a certain large software vendor was wonderful, and I hope it sets a de facto industry precedent as the first generations of online-activation-required software reach EOL, but they were under no obligation to do so.)

I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you be a little less obtuse? I would like to know more...
 
2013-01-15 08:54:43 PM  

rickane58: Twilight Farkle: But if you have physical posession of a readable disc, your rights under that license cannot be unilaterally revoked by the vendor, say, by shutting down the activation server. (What happened last week at a certain large software vendor was wonderful, and I hope it sets a de facto industry precedent as the first generations of online-activation-required software reach EOL, but they were under no obligation to do so.)
I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you be a little less obtuse? I would like to know more...


I assume they're referring to this: Link and didn't read any follow ups.
 
2013-01-15 08:55:03 PM  

Twilight Farkle: But if you have physical posession of a readable disc, your rights under that license cannot be unilaterally revoked by the vendor, say, by shutting down the activation server. (What happened last week at a certain large software vendor was wonderful, and I hope it sets a de facto industry precedent as the first generations of online-activation-required software reach EOL, but they were under no obligation to do so.)


There's a lot of people who bought boxed copies of Assassin's Creed 2 who would disagree vehemently with you on that point. For modern software that requires authentication (Photoshop, Windows, Office, etc) having the software on disk makes the activation process for the software no different than if you had just downloaded the install files. Hell, for a lot of software, you can just download the ISO and burn a disk any time you want a new one, so there's absolutely nothing special about having a physical disk.
 
2013-01-15 09:24:41 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Twilight Farkle: But if you have physical posession of a readable disc, your rights under that license cannot be unilaterally revoked by the vendor, say, by shutting down the activation server. (What happened last week at a certain large software vendor was wonderful, and I hope it sets a de facto industry precedent as the first generations of online-activation-required software reach EOL, but they were under no obligation to do so.)

There's a lot of people who bought boxed copies of Assassin's Creed 2 who would disagree vehemently with you on that point. For modern software that requires authentication (Photoshop, Windows, Office, etc) having the software on disk makes the activation process for the software no different than if you had just downloaded the install files. Hell, for a lot of software, you can just download the ISO and burn a disk any time you want a new one, so there's absolutely nothing special about having a physical disk.


Even for most of my Steam games, I bought the disk because I live in the country and my internet connection is shiatty.  I just upgraded to a Windows 8 clean install a few days ago, and for shiats and giggles I fired up Steam and attempted to reinstall all my games at once.  260GB of games was going to take a week.

I had all that on a backup hard drive, so I was good.  But if I can get the initial 16GB or whatever out of the way by getting a DVD version of a Steam game I'll do it.

The only game this strategy has failed on was The Witcher 2, which, because of the shiattiest programming known to man, had to download a new 12GB file EVERY FARKING TIME THEY UPDATED THE GAME.  I quit playing it for months while they worked out the kinks.
 
2013-01-15 09:50:29 PM  

FormlessOne: rufus-t-firefly: I worked in a call center many years ago. I've never talked crap about unskilled computer users - everyone has to learn - but sometimes...

My favorite was a guy who called and, when I asked him what brand of computer he had, he said it was a "Compa-Q." Pronouncing the "Q" as...well, "Q."

His problem? He had put a 3.5" disk in the CD tray and the tray was stuck.

The mispronounciation of the name isn't out of the ballpark, as Compaq's logo is, in various forms, a giant "Q".
[passion.compaq.free.fr image 498x131]
It's a reasonable mistake to make, really, especially if you're using the same symbol in the name to represent the letter "Q".


I had one that that told me over the phone that he had a "dy" laptop. I was like "Wut?" Then I realized it was an HP and when the lid is closed, the letters are upside down to him. The lowercase hp do look like dy. LOL
 
2013-01-15 10:49:30 PM  

ProfessorOhki: rickane58: Twilight Farkle: But if you have physical posession of a readable disc, your rights under that license cannot be unilaterally revoked by the vendor, say, by shutting down the activation server. (What happened last week at a certain large software vendor was wonderful, and I hope it sets a de facto industry precedent as the first generations of online-activation-required software reach EOL, but they were under no obligation to do so.)
I have no clue what you're talking about. Can you be a little less obtuse? I would like to know more...

I assume they're referring to this: Link and didn't read any follow ups.


That. Adobe decided that it was shutting down the CS2 activation servers, and graciously distributed the goods. The original intention was that distribution be limited to the original purchaser/registered user.

Mad_Radhu:
There's a lot of people who bought boxed copies of Assassin's Creed 2 who would disagree vehemently with you on that point. For modern software that requires authentication (Photoshop, Windows, Office, etc) having the software on disk makes the activation process for the software no different than if you had just downloaded the install files. Hell, for a lot of software, you can just download the ISO and burn a disk any time you want a new one, so there's absolutely nothing special about having a physical disk.


I should have been more clear - "the possession of installation media that obviated the need for remote authentication/activation" - it's just that posession of the physical install media used to guarantee that you could install the software even if the underlying company had ceased to exist decades ago.

Steam's something of an odd man out. Valve has sworn up and down on their mothers' graves that if they ever shut down, they'll deactivate the activation requirements for their own software. The problem with that promise is that the instant the ink dries on the acquistion papers or the filing for bankruptcy, that decision ceases to be theirs to make. Offline mode works pretty well, modulo the bugs/quirks and/or interference by third-party DRM schemes.

As DRM goes, Steam's is among the most user-friendly, and as game distributors, Valve is head-and-shoulders above the competition when it comes to customer service. I'm a satisifed customer, but every time I install a new game, I'm reminded that the day will eventually come when it's no longer playable.

Irony: Knowing the expectations of a licensee of a $60 game ought to be lower than those of a licensee of a $1000 software suite, and yet still feeling more bitterness over the eventual fate of a Half-Life 2 license than a CSx license.
 
2013-01-15 11:36:08 PM  

TNel: So they are making their own ROM and getting this message that nobody outside of that ROM will ever see.... this is news how? Stop screwing with the phones and use them the way they were designed.


Uh no. It's none of your business to tell people how to use their phone.
 
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