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(National Review)   The New York Times article about how atheists can, in fact, feel as deeply as people of faith... actually proves that atheists can't feel as deeply as people of faith   (nationalreview.com ) divider line
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2013-01-15 12:07:26 PM  
FACT: Empathy is only possible once you've accepted Jesus Christ as your personal lord and savior, had a full immersion baptism, attend services thrice weekly, bring cornbread to the monthly potluck, and maintain a fish symbol on the back of your F150 next to the yellow ribbon magnet.

Then and only then can one empathize.
 
2013-01-15 12:09:44 PM  
Well, if by "prove" you mean "doesn't prove", then yeah, that's a good statement.
 
2013-01-15 12:10:07 PM  
Oh, piss off
 
2013-01-15 12:11:41 PM  
Those Sandy Hook "truthers" are most likely "people of faith".

/where's your empathy now?
 
2013-01-15 12:12:29 PM  
mhmm
I spend everyday killing, raping and stealing.
When I am done for the day, I stab little babies in the eyes.

clearly without jesus I am pure evil

CSB
I have never sinned. Ever.
/CSB
 
2013-01-15 12:12:56 PM  
"Your child isn't actually dead, but was instead moved to a farm upstate where they will live a happy life" is more consoling than "the dead do not suffer," too, but it's still a lie.
 
2013-01-15 12:13:14 PM  
Dennis Prager - yay! No one is a more pompous idiot than him.
 
2013-01-15 12:18:36 PM  
facts are for chumps.  i use the interwebs for evidence.
 
2013-01-15 12:25:40 PM  
*rolls eyes*

It is meant as no disrespect to this well-regarded writer that her piece provides one of the finest illustrations of the intellectual and emotional emptiness at the heart of atheism.

Emotional? Maybe. MAYBE. Except I'm pretty sure atheists also have emotions, just like everybody else.

Intellectual? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
 
2013-01-15 12:28:22 PM  

nmrsnr: "Your child isn't actually dead, but was instead moved to a farm upstate where they will live a happy life" is more consoling than "the dead do not suffer," too, but it's still a lie.


This. And what if the griever is an atheist themselves? Hearing people tell them they'll be reunited when they don't believe they will would be condescending as heck.
 
2013-01-15 12:28:47 PM  
Moreover, it is the parents who are suffering, so the fact that their child isn't suffering while decomposing in the grave is of no relevance.

What kind of psychopath writes this sentence?
 
2013-01-15 12:29:36 PM  
It's possible that the believe in an afterlife is what contributes to a society where mass murders are allowed to happen. If people didn't believe in an afterlife where the deceased are "in a better place now", perhaps we would all value our time on Earth a little more and recognize how valuable it is.
 
2013-01-15 12:30:53 PM  
Ok, look.

If you arrive at atheism after years and years of deep introspection and rationale and come to the conclusion that there CAN'T be some all-powerful force controlling your destiny (you have to have a blaster by your side at this point), then neither you nor anybody else can say that you've been "intellectually empty."

However, if you one day get skeeved at your super-religious parents and shout out, "YEAH, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT MOM AND DAD, THERE IS NO GOD!!!1!!" then go storming out of the house to hang with your friends and brag about how "you showed them," then, yeah, you're being a f*cking retard.
 
2013-01-15 12:31:28 PM  
I heard one of the Adam Carolla with Prager podcast things and his argument here is basically the same facile bullshiat he used to answer someone's question as to why he believes in a god: "because it's less scary to me than non-existence after death".
 
2013-01-15 12:31:35 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, piss off


Seriously. This.
Ffs.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Goddammitsomuch.
 
2013-01-15 12:31:39 PM  

DamnYankees: Moreover, it is the parents who are suffering, so the fact that their child isn't suffering while decomposing in the grave is of no relevance.

What kind of psychopath writes this sentence?


A psychopath who writes for NRO?
 
2013-01-15 12:33:20 PM  
NRO tells all atheists how they think.  Next up from NRO, why the liberal media is bad because they assume all conservatives think the same and no group thinks the same way on anything.
 
2013-01-15 12:35:32 PM  
Most of the Christians I've met are actually incapable of caring about their fellow human beings unless those actions or concern can somehow be reflected back upon them in order to score brownie points with their imaginary friend in the sky.  They go out of their way to showcase their pride and tell you about all the "good" they've done, in fact.

As an atheist, when I do nice things for someone or some group, I don't have the urge to tell everyone around me what I did or how good of a person I was.
 
2013-01-15 12:36:07 PM  
There is no comfort that can be offered to a parent that has just lost a child. Any talk of "afterlife" is nothing more than the mouthing of empty platitudes.

All you can do is be a shoulder to cry on, and to help them deal with the details and chores.
 
2013-01-15 12:38:57 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Most of the Christians I've met are actually incapable of caring about their fellow human beings unless those actions or concern can somehow be reflected back upon them in order to score brownie points with their imaginary friend in the sky.  They go out of their way to showcase their pride and tell you about all the "good" they've done, in fact.

As an atheist, when I do nice things for someone or some group, I don't have the urge to tell everyone around me what I did or how good of a person I was.


What pisses me off is when Christians give all credit to God instead of the people who actually accomplished something, like when a sick person gets better.  Why the fark are you apparently unable to thank the doctors for being good at their jobs?
 
2013-01-15 12:41:45 PM  
"I'm an atheist because I don't believe in god, not because I have a bone to pick with him." -Adam Carolla
 
2013-01-15 12:42:08 PM  
I'm not sure what the point of this article is other than to highlight the fact that the level of comfort you can offer someone who is grieving is proportional to supernaturality of the story you can make up.
 
2013-01-15 12:43:56 PM  
So TFA basically translates to, "we can offer greater comfort to the family by telling them their loved one is still alive and conscious in Heaven. Atheists force them to face the cold, bitter finality of death. And that's mean."
 
2013-01-15 12:50:31 PM  
Is Adam Carolla still inexplicably sucking this guy off?
 
2013-01-15 12:54:02 PM  

Vodka Zombie: As an atheist, when I do nice things for someone or some group, I don't have the urge to tell everyone around me what I did or how good of a person I was.


Much like, "When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

Seems to me you're more Christian (or, rather, Christ-like) than a lot of these other "Christians."

Isn't that ironic? Don't you think?

....

IT'S LIKE RAIAIAAAAAIN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY
 
2013-01-15 12:55:22 PM  

kid_icarus: So TFA basically translates to, "we can offer greater comfort to the family by telling them their loved one is still alive and conscious in Heaven. Atheists force them to face the cold, bitter finality of death. And that's mean."


To be fair, that's not his argument. His argument is that atheists don't confront the cold, bitter finality of death their beliefs imply, but pretend to be able to offer as much comfort as theists.

It's complete crap, but lets not misrepresent him.
 
2013-01-15 01:02:53 PM  
Can athiests feel? I don't know. I'm not sure athiests are even human.
 
2013-01-15 01:04:04 PM  
I really hate when people talk about "atheists" like a monolithic group, or talk about what atheists believe. There is one condition to be an atheist: that you lack a belief in god(s). That's it. It's both necessary and sufficient. You lack a belief in god(s), you're an atheist. You can think that scientific explanation of the big bang and evolution are correct, or not. You can believe we are nothing more than a hallucination of John Malkovich's. If you don't believe in god, you are an atheist. You can believe in magic, ghosts, psychics, and werewolves. You can be a good person or a bad one, a caring person or an asshole. You can be a smart person or a dumb person. If you lack a belief in god(s), you are an atheist.
 
2013-01-15 01:05:35 PM  

GAT_00: Vodka Zombie: Most of the Christians I've met are actually incapable of caring about their fellow human beings unless those actions or concern can somehow be reflected back upon them in order to score brownie points with their imaginary friend in the sky.  They go out of their way to showcase their pride and tell you about all the "good" they've done, in fact.

As an atheist, when I do nice things for someone or some group, I don't have the urge to tell everyone around me what I did or how good of a person I was.

What pisses me off is when Christians give all credit to God instead of the people who actually accomplished something, like when a sick person gets better.  Why the fark are you apparently unable to thank the doctors for being good at their jobs?


No shiat. That's one of the things that always annoys me.  For example, we had a house burn down here, but the family inside lived as a result of being rescued by some very unappreciated firefighters.  On the news, the mother was thanking Jesus over and over again for saving them and never once mentioned the brave people who put their own lives at risk and actually ran into her burning house to pull them out.

If I was a firefighter, it'd be tough not to just say "fark it.  Let's see what this Jesus dude can really do.  I'm packing up the hoses and going home."
 
2013-01-15 01:12:37 PM  
Good thing we're talking atheists and not Muslims, right Mr. Prager?
 
2013-01-15 01:13:58 PM  

Vodka Zombie: If I was a firefighter, it'd be tough not to just say "fark it.  Let's see what this Jesus dude can really do.


"The Lord works in mysterious ways."

See, this way god gets all the credit when things go right and none of the blame when things go wrong. Not bad work if you can get it.
 
2013-01-15 01:15:14 PM  

DamnYankees: Dennis Prager - yay! No one is a more pompous idiot than him.


Doubthat.
 
2013-01-15 01:15:22 PM  
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2013-01-15 01:15:45 PM  

abb3w: DamnYankees: Dennis Prager - yay! No one is a more pompous idiot than him.

Doubthat.


Badum-bum.
 
2013-01-15 01:21:22 PM  
Here's a shock, you won't find much comfort in beliefs other than your own...

If you're an atheist, you probably won't be comforted much by someone telling you they believe the person is in a better place. If you are a Christian, you probably won't be comforted by an atheist telling you the person is not suffering anymore.
 
2013-01-15 01:23:33 PM  
Anyone observing the terrible amount of unjust human suffering understands the atheist. But even atheists - indeed, especially atheists, since they claim that, unlike believers, they are guided solely by reason and intellect - have to be intellectually honest. They would have to acknowledge that, in terms of consolation, there is no comparison between "The dead do not suffer" and "Your child lives on and you will be reunited with her."

First of all... no. Being an atheist has nothing to do with understanding human suffering, particularly at the hands of others. I certainly don't understand it.

Second, I have been there, more than once. Losing someone you love in a senseless tragedy is particularly difficult when you are an atheist, because except for a memory, they are dead and gone, and you know you never will see them again. It is admittedly hard to offer comfort to someone who is bereaved.... well, it is hard no matter what, but particularly so when you can't honestly tell them there is some silver lining to their loss.

But having been there, I can say I don't want to be lied to. I am a man, no longer a child, and fairy tales do not console me. The realization that people I thought would be a part of my life for decades being suddenly and finally gone just makes me treasure the people who are still here that much more.
 
2013-01-15 01:32:28 PM  
I feel dumber actually reading that piece of trash article.

I can write an article on how Christians can be assholes and can prove it the same way. If I did that, it would be a piece of trash.
 
2013-01-15 01:33:05 PM  
You see, the problem with lib atheists is that they think with their heads.

Now, true conservatives like me think with our hearts! We use emotion to make the right decision. We don't rely on cold, analytical things like math or economics or probability.

Those decisions are not made with the heart! Suck it, libs.
 
2013-01-15 01:33:53 PM  
Reminds me of the "Gingers can't feel pain" thing for some reason.
 
2013-01-15 01:35:56 PM  
The fact that theists attempt to offer "comfort" is just comical to me anyway.

So basically your all loving god that is going to protect and cherish these children forever in heaven did not see fit (once again) to step in and stop this tragedy from happening? What kind of sick and twisted god do you worship?

Then again that's par for the course for the Christian god since it was perfectly fine to warn the wise men about Herod's intentions toward the baby Jesus... So he could escape... but that resulted in the whole sale slaughter of every other male baby in town, without any kind of warning from anyone.
 
2013-01-15 01:38:24 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: "I'm an atheist because I don't believe in god, not because I have a bone to pick with him." -Adam Carolla


That's me as well. I have a bone to pick with religion, but that has nothing to do with God.
 
2013-01-15 01:38:30 PM  
The consolation of atheism is that when something really bad happens, I'm not burdened by the sense of betrayal by an invisible friend. I'm better equipped to think that bad things happen and that's life. In other words, I skip to "acceptance" right away, saving myself a lot of angst and allowing me to actually do something, if something is needed and move on.

If someone thinks that's evil, I view them as having a very small mind.
 
2013-01-15 01:39:15 PM  
and agnostic theists like myself will continue to be smug bastards.
/you know nothing jon snow
 
2013-01-15 01:39:25 PM  

randomjsa: The fact that theists attempt to offer "comfort" is just comical to me anyway.

So basically your all loving god that is going to protect and cherish these children forever in heaven did not see fit (once again) to step in and stop this tragedy from happening? What kind of sick and twisted god do you worship?

Then again that's par for the course for the Christian god since it was perfectly fine to warn the wise men about Herod's intentions toward the baby Jesus... So he could escape... but that resulted in the whole sale slaughter of every other male baby in town, without any kind of warning from anyone.


Somebody pinch me.
 
2013-01-15 01:39:59 PM  
I must admit to having difficulty being consoling of others, I usually use the "surrender of earthly burdens" line, but it rings hollow in my own ears.  I cannot offer hope of reunion in the sweet by and by, and I won't lie and say I believe in it.  So, I try to focus on the deceased life and the joys they brought rather than the loss of their death.

Perhaps atheism can't offer consolation to the bereaved, but I never noticed anything in saying we would not suffer grief in our lives.  Anyone that tells you anything different is selling  you something.
 
2013-01-15 01:40:26 PM  

xanadian: If you arrive at atheism after years and years of deep introspection and rationale and come to the conclusion that there CAN'T be some all-powerful force controlling your destiny (you have to have a blaster by your side at this point), then neither you nor anybody else can say that you've been "intellectually empty."


Being a sane, rational human being requires "years and years of deep introspection and rationale"?
 
2013-01-15 01:41:13 PM  

born_yesterday: randomjsa: The fact that theists attempt to offer "comfort" is just comical to me anyway.

So basically your all loving god that is going to protect and cherish these children forever in heaven did not see fit (once again) to step in and stop this tragedy from happening? What kind of sick and twisted god do you worship?

Then again that's par for the course for the Christian god since it was perfectly fine to warn the wise men about Herod's intentions toward the baby Jesus... So he could escape... but that resulted in the whole sale slaughter of every other male baby in town, without any kind of warning from anyone.

Somebody pinch me.


Someone probably forgot to switch to his "liberal troll" account when the shift changed.
 
2013-01-15 01:41:29 PM  

GAT_00: NRO tells all atheists how they think.  Next up from NRO, why the liberal media is bad because they assume all conservatives think the same and no group thinks the same way on anything.


Except for Fark Independents
 
2013-01-15 01:42:50 PM  
FTFA: there is no comparison between "The dead do not suffer" and "Your child lives on and you will be reunited with her."

Except that one is true and the other is wishful thinking someone pulled out of their ass. Why people insist on the Comfortable Lie is beyond me.
 
2013-01-15 01:43:50 PM  

xanadian: Vodka Zombie: As an atheist, when I do nice things for someone or some group, I don't have the urge to tell everyone around me what I did or how good of a person I was.

Much like, "When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full. But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

Seems to me you're more Christian (or, rather, Christ-like) than a lot of these other "Christians."

Isn't that ironic? Don't you think?

....

IT'S LIKE RAIAIAAAAAIN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY


Gotta say, the atheists I know are significantly more Christlike than the Christians I know.
 
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