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(io9)   A new Scientology tell-all book explains how if Tom Cruise wants to audition you for a Mission: Impossible movie, you need to run like hell   (io9.com) divider line 80
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2013-01-15 11:44:37 AM  
On his list: Lindsay Lohan, Jessica Alba, Kate Bosworth, Scarlett Johansson and Jennifer Garner, whom he found the most compelling.

So he's not completely crazy.
 
2013-01-15 11:46:39 AM  
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2013-01-15 11:46:40 AM  
Their first date was arranged in April 2005. Cruise took her for a night flight over LA in a helicopter stocked with take-out sushi - his typical, over-the-top, getting-to-know-you approach. Two weeks later, Holmes had moved in with him and cut off all contact with her friends and representatives.

Are we sure she wasn't brainwashed or hypnotized during these helicopter flights?
 
2013-01-15 11:47:21 AM  
Oh, man. Imagine an alternate reality where he hooked up with Lohan rather than Holmes. THAT would be entertainment.
 
2013-01-15 11:48:55 AM  

miss diminutive: Their first date was arranged in April 2005. Cruise took her for a night flight over LA in a helicopter stocked with take-out sushi - his typical, over-the-top, getting-to-know-you approach. Two weeks later, Holmes had moved in with him and cut off all contact with her friends and representatives.

Are we sure she wasn't brainwashed or hypnotized during these helicopter flights?


Hell she was probably both. I'm betting her family and friends back home had to pay out the wazoo to get her back to normal.
 
2013-01-15 11:49:46 AM  
Meh. It's fun to bash Scientology, like any religion/cult. But people who mock it on one hand whilst practicing another religion are throwing stones in a glass house. Scientology only seems particularly nuts because society is so conditioned to the lunacy of the other religions. The only thing semi-exceptional is they seem particularly fond of their lawyers, but that hardly let's those who believe in a water-walking dude or a talking burning bush off the hook.
 
2013-01-15 11:50:26 AM  
So, could I get some cute scientology chick to clear my balls?
 
2013-01-15 11:50:30 AM  

cgraves67: Oh, man. Imagine an alternate reality where he hooked up with Lohan rather than Holmes. THAT would be entertainment.


The sad part is she'd probably be LESS messed up.
 
2013-01-15 11:50:32 AM  
In before the "gosh I don't know much about scientology, but I'm gonna defend it for hours" crew showed up.
 
2013-01-15 11:54:40 AM  

cgraves67: Oh, man. Imagine an alternate reality where he hooked up with Lohan rather than Holmes. THAT would be entertainment.


It would explain the couch jumping on Oprah.
 
2013-01-15 11:54:56 AM  
The more I know about him, the more I think that Lestat was typecast.

/Tom Cruise is Tom Cruise crazy...
 
2013-01-15 11:56:00 AM  

miss diminutive: Their first date was arranged in April 2005. Cruise took her for a night flight over LA in a helicopter stocked with take-out sushi - his typical, over-the-top, getting-to-know-you approach. Two weeks later, Holmes had moved in with him and cut off all contact with her friends and representatives.

Are we sure she wasn't brainwashed or hypnotized during these helicopter flights?


I am fairly certain that brainwashed by money is a bit different than brainwashed by Scientology. Not to mention that she eventually got out... but not before she had a kid with the guy.
 
2013-01-15 11:58:33 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Meh. It's fun to bash Scientology, like any religion/cult. But people who mock it on one hand whilst practicing another religion are throwing stones in a glass house. Scientology only seems particularly nuts because society is so conditioned to the lunacy of the other religions. The only thing semi-exceptional is they seem particularly fond of their lawyers, but that hardly let's those who believe in a water-walking dude or a talking burning bush off the hook.


In before the "other religions are teh bad" straw man.... oh, too late.
 
2013-01-15 11:59:12 AM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Meh. It's fun to bash Scientology, like any religion/cult. But people who mock it on one hand whilst practicing another religion are throwing stones in a glass house. Scientology only seems particularly nuts because society is so conditioned to the lunacy of the other religions. The only thing semi-exceptional is they seem particularly fond of their lawyers, but that hardly let's those who believe in a water-walking dude or a talking burning bush off the hook.


When your local pastor/rabbi/minister starts locking you in closets, forcing you to do manual labor for 12 hours a day, cutting you off from contact with the outside world and barely feeds you simply for questioning something the founder said get back to me. And no, don't give me any stories about the nutbar fundies. I know plenty of regular church goers who shake their heads at that crowd.
 
2013-01-15 11:59:18 AM  
One word. Glib.
 
2013-01-15 12:00:23 PM  

miss diminutive: Their first date was arranged in April 2005. Cruise took her for a night flight over LA in a helicopter stocked with take-out sushi - his typical, over-the-top, getting-to-know-you approach. Two weeks later, Holmes had moved in with him and cut off all contact with her friends and representatives.

Are we sure she wasn't brainwashed or hypnotized during these helicopter flights?


Wow. Damn.
 
2013-01-15 12:02:49 PM  
So he had auditions to see which chick made him look less gay in the eyes of the public?
 
2013-01-15 12:03:31 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Meh. It's fun to bash Scientology, like any religion/cult. But people who mock it on one hand whilst practicing another religion are throwing stones in a glass house. Scientology only seems particularly nuts because society is so conditioned to the lunacy of the other religions. The only thing semi-exceptional is they seem particularly fond of their lawyers, but that hardly let's those who believe in a water-walking dude or a talking burning bush off the hook.


You can go to most churches absolutely free of charge. Scientology? Not so much.
 
2013-01-15 12:04:21 PM  

miss diminutive: Their first date was arranged in April 2005. Cruise took her for a night flight over LA in a helicopter stocked with take-out sushi - his typical, over-the-top, getting-to-know-you approach. Two weeks later, Holmes had moved in with him and cut off all contact with her friends and representatives.

Are we sure she wasn't brainwashed or hypnotized during these helicopter flights?


I like the way you think. I wouldn't put anything past $cientologists.
 
2013-01-15 12:05:32 PM  

cgraves67: Oh, man. Imagine an alternate reality where he hooked up with Lohan rather than Holmes. THAT would be entertainment.


If we're going to get all alternate realityty, let's also make him straight.
 
2013-01-15 12:07:01 PM  

miss diminutive: Their first date was arranged in April 2005. Cruise took her for a night flight over LA in a helicopter stocked with take-out sushi - his typical, over-the-top, getting-to-know-you approach. Two weeks later, Holmes had moved in with him and cut off all contact with her friends and representatives.

Are we sure she wasn't brainwashed or hypnotized during these helicopter flights?


why else would she turn down 'the dark knight'?
 
2013-01-15 12:08:15 PM  
This is what happens when people get so much money/fame that other people are afraid to tell them that what they think is a good strategy is actually bugfark nuts. Witness George Lucas, Steve Jobs, and Ted Turner.....to name a few.
Oh and Scientololology.
 
2013-01-15 12:23:16 PM  

miss diminutive: Their first date was arranged in April 2005. Cruise took her for a night flight over LA in a helicopter stocked with take-out sushi - his typical, over-the-top, getting-to-know-you approach. Two weeks later, Holmes had moved in with him and cut off all contact with her friends and representatives.

Are we sure she wasn't brainwashed or hypnotized during these helicopter flights?


I guess if you're being held partially out of an open door while hovering high above the city, it makes an impression.
 
2013-01-15 12:24:30 PM  
He is profoundly stupid. Also profoundly rich, but profoundly stupid. Can't take him seriously in any movies anymore.
 
2013-01-15 12:26:32 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Meh. It's fun to bash Scientology, like any religion/cult. But people who mock it on one hand whilst practicing another religion are throwing stones in a glass house. Scientology only seems particularly nuts because society is so conditioned to the lunacy of the other religions. The only thing semi-exceptional is they seem particularly fond of their lawyers, but that hardly let's those who believe in a water-walking dude or a talking burning bush off the hook.


You should learn more about scientology and the differences between a religion and a cult.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/wakefield/us.html
 
2013-01-15 12:28:47 PM  
Gosh, I don't know much about $cientology, but I'm gonna defend it for hours.
 
2013-01-15 12:30:15 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Gosh, I don't know much about $cientology, but I'm gonna defend it for hours.


Who is defending scientology?
 
2013-01-15 12:32:02 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-15 12:39:18 PM  
$cientology has a term the mid-level OTs and up use: "fair game".
It's basically revenge 7X for anyone caught speaking or doing ill to the org.
Oh, and they love lawsuits.
I knew a gay guy who, over time, had his money swiped from him for 'training', then was told he had to go straight or he couldn't cross 'The Bridge'. He wisely abandoned $cientology.

/don't have to practice any other religion to have a hate-on for them. Zilch.
 
2013-01-15 12:43:16 PM  

Danger Mouse: Fuggin Bizzy: Gosh, I don't know much about $cientology, but I'm gonna defend it for hours.

Who is defending scientology?


Me. Leave this poor man alone. Don't we have freedom of religion in this country? Haters gonna hate. Push beyond the max. And so forth...
 
2013-01-15 12:51:52 PM  
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2013-01-15 12:58:17 PM  
Scietology: proof that people will believe any old religious crap someone pulls out of their ass. So, believers, what makes your particular religion true? Out of the hundreds of thousands of religions that have lurched across the face of history, why is yours true when all the others are false?
 
2013-01-15 12:59:10 PM  

halfof33: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Meh. It's fun to bash Scientology, like any religion/cult. But people who mock it on one hand whilst practicing another religion are throwing stones in a glass house. Scientology only seems particularly nuts because society is so conditioned to the lunacy of the other religions. The only thing semi-exceptional is they seem particularly fond of their lawyers, but that hardly let's those who believe in a water-walking dude or a talking burning bush off the hook.

In before the "other religions are teh bad" straw man.... oh, too late.


No, not "teh bad", but "also complete bullshiat". Please try to keep up.
 
2013-01-15 01:08:51 PM  

Fuggin Bizzy: Danger Mouse: Fuggin Bizzy: Gosh, I don't know much about $cientology, but I'm gonna defend it for hours.

Who is defending scientology?

Me. Leave this poor man alone. Don't we have freedom of religion in this country? Haters gonna hate. Push beyond the max. And so forth...


Yeah, and we also have the right to ridicule ridiculous things like religion.
 
2013-01-15 01:10:49 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: cgraves67: Oh, man. Imagine an alternate reality where he hooked up with Lohan rather than Holmes. THAT would be entertainment.

The sad part is she'd probably be LESS messed up.


Of course you know you're wrong.

/When was the last time you googled Lisa McPherson?
 
2013-01-15 01:12:39 PM  
Is there any way we in Normal-land might be able to shove the N.R.A. and Scientology, both bound and gagged, into the back of a small car that's then sent hurtling over a 100-foot cliff onto the rocks and ocean below?

Because that's how lifelong bullies and charlatans should meet their end.

Lance Armstrong, too.

/feeling cranky today
 
2013-01-15 01:19:32 PM  
Over at the New York Post, Maureen Callahan has a fascinating article about journalist Lawrence Wright's new book about Scientology

So this is an article about an article about a book?
 
2013-01-15 01:24:14 PM  
Put me on the defending Scientology list if by defending I don't think it's any weirder than any other religion. Also I don't consider its abuses any worse than any other religion going through its early developmental stages and some older religions have equal abuses as well in the modern day.

As for Tom Cruise being that famous would drive anyone insane. How is he supposed to meet women? Use match.com? Even if the allegations that his relationships with women are shams are true he legally marries them and is seen with them socially that implies some level of trust and compatibility. Dude is an entertainer he looks pretty and is a reasonably competent actor. I never have gotten the hate nor huge fascination with him. Although morbid curiosity him with Lindsey Lohan I have to admit I would follow the news on that.
 
2013-01-15 01:31:14 PM  
Give Scientology credit. They put work into getting you on their side. The other cults/religions hook you at birth. How hard is that? You are told what to think before you know what thinking is? Of course you'll believe it. But getting someone in their 20's or 30's, well that is good old fashioned American ingenuity.
 
2013-01-15 01:36:04 PM  

Helena Handbasket: Yeah, and we also have the right to ridicule ridiculous things like religion.


Stop oppressing religious people! Atheism is a religion too, you know. If you filled the state of Texas three feet deep with silver dollars and selected one at random, the odds of that would be higher than evolution. Bet you didn't know that. You gotta give 110% and take it one game at a time!
 
2013-01-15 01:44:03 PM  
Scientology is no sillier than any other religion.

Still, it seems to treat people worse than most others.
 
2013-01-15 01:47:12 PM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Is there any way we in Normal-land might be able to shove the N.R.A. and Scientology, both bound and gagged, into the back of a small car that's then sent hurtling over a 100-foot cliff onto the rocks and ocean below?

Because that's how lifelong bullies and charlatans should meet their end.

Lance Armstrong, too.

/feeling cranky today


Not to worry there pal, hopefully someone will make sure that hatemongering bullies LIKE YOU get that just dessert.

/see how it works now?

Helena Handbasket: Yeah, and we also have the right to ridicule ridiculous things like religion.


Not as soon as we start fully interpreting the 1st Amendment in the same way as we interpret the 2nd.
 
2013-01-15 01:49:06 PM  

Peppermint Rose: Put me on the defending Scientology list if by defending I don't think it's any weirder than any other religion. Also I don't consider its abuses any worse than any other religion going through its early developmental stages and some older religions have equal abuses as well in the modern day.

As for Tom Cruise being that famous would drive anyone insane. How is he supposed to meet women? Use match.com? Even if the allegations that his relationships with women are shams are true he legally marries them and is seen with them socially that implies some level of trust and compatibility. Dude is an entertainer he looks pretty and is a reasonably competent actor. I never have gotten the hate nor huge fascination with him. Although morbid curiosity him with Lindsey Lohan I have to admit I would follow the news on that.


lol

I actually do have a problem with this claim: "Also I don't consider its abuses any worse than any other religion going through its early developmental stages ..."

The cult's abuses are happening now. We're supposed to know better.

When those other religions went through their "developmental stages", people didn't know that diseases could be spread by using filthy water. Oh, and indentured servitude was common, women weren't allowed to vote (or work outside the house) and children were more likely to go to a job than go to school, that is if they lived past infancy. So, yeah, things are different now, but that doesn't give the cult a waiver just cause they're the new kid.

As far as "... some older religions have equal abuses as well in the modern day.": is concerned. You're right. So, let's not allow the cult to get old enough to have similar abuses. Slap it with some RICO charges, close up their pyramid scheme for good and everyone will be happy.
 
2013-01-15 01:58:55 PM  
Scientology is a legitimate religion. They have helped millions of people get through their depression and social issues, all while lowering their thetan levels. How many other religions do you know that lower your thetan levels? None! L. Ron Hubbard is a savior and is bringing peace to the world. Soon the world will learn the truth and we will all be saved and be able to go to Planet Two.
 
2013-01-15 02:06:06 PM  

Qwertyette: Scientology is a legitimate religion. They have helped millions of people get through their depression and social issues, all while lowering their thetan levels. How many other religions do you know that lower your thetan levels? None! L. Ron Hubbard is a savior and is bringing peace to the world. Soon the world will learn the truth and we will all be saved and be able to go to Planet Two.


I know, right!?

I mean, I know so many people who are so depressed that they're making their thetans depressed too. Only $cientology can help them.
 
2013-01-15 02:10:23 PM  
I did enjoy his early movies, but became less of a fan as he matured. Mainly because he grew up to be a shorty with "Banty Rooster" syndrome. For me that is a huge problem, I honestly can't stand a man that has an inferiority complex and counters it with a massive ego blast.

I find I can't suspend my disbelief for two hours and take him seriously as a 'Super Spy' or any other type of "Hero" because his RL persona is SOOOOOO false and that leaks into his acting. Not to mention his 'religious cult' has destroyed all credibility of him as a sane person.

I also have a bit of a problem with other actors that are part of the cult, mainly because they all seem to have that glassy-eyed emptiness...
 
2013-01-15 02:16:43 PM  
Once again let us not forget that Scientology was created out of a bar bet with some other SciFi writer over Hubbard's statement during a discussion about making money by writing SciFi. The statement was, if not exact, approximately, "...If you really want to make money, start a religion." It is on this premise that the book, Dianetics was written and Scientology was founded - a bet in a bar. From what I have read about the organization, Hubbard was right.
 
2013-01-15 02:21:56 PM  

Andrew Wiggin: miss diminutive: Their first date was arranged in April 2005. Cruise took her for a night flight over LA in a helicopter stocked with take-out sushi - his typical, over-the-top, getting-to-know-you approach. Two weeks later, Holmes had moved in with him and cut off all contact with her friends and representatives.

Are we sure she wasn't brainwashed or hypnotized during these helicopter flights?

why else would she turn down 'the dark knight'?


She didn't. She wasn't invited back.
 
2013-01-15 02:28:11 PM  

Peppermint Rose: Also I don't consider its abuses any worse than any other religion going through its early developmental stages and some older religions have equal abuses as well in the modern day.


Agreed.

So, we should totally just let Scientology skate by with their multiple fraudulent and even criminal activities out of some idea of fairness because society at the time of something like the Inquisition was not at a point where it would've been feasible to stop it? Or do we need to first retroactively punish Catholicism and other religions that Did Very Bad Things during their time before we dare to question the validity and legality of L Ron Hubbard's wet dream?
 
2013-01-15 02:28:21 PM  

GreatGlavinsGhost: Peppermint Rose: Put me on the defending Scientology list if by defending I don't think it's any weirder than any other religion. Also I don't consider its abuses any worse than any other religion going through its early developmental stages and some older religions have equal abuses as well in the modern day.

As for Tom Cruise being that famous would drive anyone insane. How is he supposed to meet women? Use match.com? Even if the allegations that his relationships with women are shams are true he legally marries them and is seen with them socially that implies some level of trust and compatibility. Dude is an entertainer he looks pretty and is a reasonably competent actor. I never have gotten the hate nor huge fascination with him. Although morbid curiosity him with Lindsey Lohan I have to admit I would follow the news on that.

lol

I actually do have a problem with this claim: "Also I don't consider its abuses any worse than any other religion going through its early developmental stages ..."

The cult's abuses are happening now. We're supposed to know better.

When those other religions went through their "developmental stages", people didn't know that diseases could be spread by using filthy water. Oh, and indentured servitude was common, women weren't allowed to vote (or work outside the house) and children were more likely to go to a job than go to school, that is if they lived past infancy. So, yeah, things are different now, but that doesn't give the cult a waiver just cause they're the new kid.

As far as "... some older religions have equal abuses as well in the modern day.": is concerned. You're right. So, let's not allow the cult to get old enough to have similar abuses. Slap it with some RICO charges, close up their pyramid scheme for good and everyone will be happy.


We as a species are supposed to know better about a lot of things. But we apparently haven't learned. The developmental stages of a lot of religions were significantly worse than anything Scientology has yet aspired to. A lot of the persecution (and the persecution didn't live up to its press) of Christians in Rome was because they were being a public nuissance starting deadly street fights between the sects and Islam's wars of attrition are well documented and the Mormon antics. That doesn't make Scientology right, it's just not particularly much worse than most other human thought systems. IMO anyway. I'm okay with closing down Scientology if we close down the other religious groups pulling this crap but untill other religions are held to the same scrutiny and standards I'm not okay with going after Scientology.

No you can't do Scientology for free, but they claim to be offering a service for the fees. I'm certainly not going to share my knowledge and skills for free and the unpaid religious professional is not the norm in any religion. The value of Scientology's service is debatable and I'm certainly not personally interested. However, we as Americans are allowed to spend our money on whatever we happen to want to spend it on.
 
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