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(The New York Times)   Congratulations, son, you answered the call, and stood the long watch, putting yourself in harm's way to preserve our freedoms. As a token of your country's thanks, please accept this minimum-wage job as a Wal-mart stock boy   (nytimes.com) divider line 117
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2013-01-15 11:36:26 AM  
In a statement, the first lady, Michelle Obama, who has led a campaign by the White House to encourage businesses to hire veterans, called the Wal-Mart plan "historic," adding that she planned to urge other corporations to follow suit.

"We all believe that no one who serves our country should have to fight for a job once they return home," Mrs. Obama said in the statement. "Wal-Mart is setting a groundbreaking example for the private sector to follow."


Uh oh...

www.blogcdn.com
 
2013-01-15 11:37:52 AM  
So it's bad to offer a job to someone that can't find a job somewhere else? I mean it's not like they are being forced. Walmart is saying if you can't find something they will give you a job no questions asked. I mean good on them.
 
2013-01-15 11:40:18 AM  
That sounds exactly like America.  We can't help the people, because we're already spending millions helping the rich get richer.
 
2013-01-15 11:41:07 AM  
I think this is actually a good thing. There's nothing forcing our veterans to work at Wal-Mart, but at least it's an option.
 
2013-01-15 11:43:33 AM  
That's not a bad thing.  Vets have college paid for...and if they don't have skills from their military gig, they at least have a job while they're in school.
 
2013-01-15 11:49:47 AM  

slayer199: Vets have college paid for


unless the military finds an excuse to fark them out of their GI bill bennies like they did with my brother.
 
2013-01-15 11:54:21 AM  
Should've picked a different MOS...
 
2013-01-15 11:55:14 AM  
*now reads TFA*

That ....is actually pretty cool. As long as that's not the ONLY job they can get.
 
2013-01-15 11:57:13 AM  

Kazan: slayer199: Vets have college paid for

unless the military finds an excuse to fark them out of their GI bill bennies like they did with my brother.


ow. I've never heard of that before. I've heard of recruiters playing up the military or a specific MOS/rate that one could get, then the poor sucker being stuck in infantry or deck or something else...

/was supposed to be CE corps
//ended up supply
///f*cking government
 
2013-01-15 12:20:42 PM  

Kazan: unless the military finds an excuse to fark them out of their GI bill bennies like they did with my brother.


Oh, do tell.

My son decided he wasn't ready to go to college after high school and joined the Navy.  He ships out in April.
 
2013-01-15 12:25:03 PM  

slayer199: Kazan: unless the military finds an excuse to fark them out of their GI bill bennies like they did with my brother.

Oh, do tell.

My son decided he wasn't ready to go to college after high school and joined the Navy.  He ships out in April.


Capitalist institution acts like it's run by capitalists.  Sounds normal.
 
2013-01-15 12:37:08 PM  
Just out of curiosity, would a veteran's VA benefits (assuming he's enrolled) at all impact the health care coverage Wal-Mart might otherwise be required to provide to a full-time employee?
 
2013-01-15 12:45:52 PM  

slayer199: Kazan: unless the military finds an excuse to fark them out of their GI bill bennies like they did with my brother.

Oh, do tell.

My son decided he wasn't ready to go to college after high school and joined the Navy.  He ships out in April.


There are quite a few cases of veterans being denied benefits for various reasons (as of something I read a year or two ago). If I recall correctly - people who don't pay perfect attention to their agreement have been told they violated clause (insert random absurdity) and therefore are no longer eligible.

I also remember a few cases in which a veteran was released early from their contract because they were disabled while serving. But because they didn't finish out their term - they weren't eligible for all of the benefits specified in their contract.
 
2013-01-15 12:49:39 PM  
Did submitard even RTFA?
 
2013-01-15 12:50:10 PM  
Given the job situation, I think vets like the sound of this better than subby does.
 
2013-01-15 12:50:19 PM  
Better than mumbling to oneself while digging through the garbage for a half-eaten yogurt.
 
2013-01-15 12:50:24 PM  
yeah... either it's an attempt at something good that is likely to amount to not much and insulting, or...

walmart is amassing an army.
 
2013-01-15 12:50:50 PM  
Yeah, like my cousin that was in the Air Force. Sure, he went to Iraq but it was way after the "war". He never left the air base, all he would talk about was how they had Starbucks and McDonald's on base, he would play video games, could do video chat with his friends and family all the time.

Then, after his 7 months there, he came home and he EATS IT UP when everyone calls him a "hero", people buy him lunch and dinner, they thank him non stop.


I'm sorry, but to me, you have to earn my respect and there are only a few people I would label a hero. Nothing against my cousin, he went to the Air Force as a job and if people want to throw things his way that's fine. But it is such a total joke.

It's a total joke to the TRUE heroes, the TRUE people that risk their lives.
 
2013-01-15 12:52:01 PM  
Oh, the cognitive dissonance. I can smell it from here......
 
2013-01-15 12:52:29 PM  
the troops are "fighting for our freedom". what a shameful line of bullshiat.
 
2013-01-15 12:52:35 PM  

Bontesla: slayer199: Kazan: unless the military finds an excuse to fark them out of their GI bill bennies like they did with my brother.

Oh, do tell.

My son decided he wasn't ready to go to college after high school and joined the Navy.  He ships out in April.

There are quite a few cases of veterans being denied benefits for various reasons (as of something I read a year or two ago). If I recall correctly - people who don't pay perfect attention to their agreement have been told they violated clause (insert random absurdity) and therefore are no longer eligible.

I also remember a few cases in which a veteran was released early from their contract because they were disabled while serving. But because they didn't finish out their term - they weren't eligible for all of the benefits specified in their contract.


I'm pretty sure that if you are discharged with a service related disability, then you are entitled to 100% of your GI Bill money. At least that was the case when I applied for it a while back (I'm not disabled, but that was one of the eligibility tiers they had listed).
 
2013-01-15 12:52:42 PM  
I'm still trying to figure out how anyone in Iraq or Afghanistan was a threat to my freedom....
 
2013-01-15 12:52:53 PM  
Not everyone does well on their ASVAB. Good for Wlamart for looking out for them!
 
2013-01-15 12:52:56 PM  
Well, we could always do like after WW2 where we gave the GI's jobs by firing the women working in factories.
 
2013-01-15 12:53:18 PM  
Everywhere I have ever worked Vets get preferential treatment for employment over non vets.

No news here just misdirected rage.
 
2013-01-15 12:53:46 PM  
Yeah, no shiat.
I just finished a temp stint as a truck loader, ten bucks and no benefits.
/Bachelor's degree.

USA is number one.
We're almost to the bottom now and any idiots who go to "fight" for this are ... idiots, as are the people who call them heroes.
 
2013-01-15 12:54:36 PM  
Laser like focus on jobs, you just didn't ask what kind of jobs. Wal-Mart isnt exactly shovel ready either unless you have to clean up after some of the people you see on People of Wal-Mart.com
 
2013-01-15 12:54:48 PM  

ggecko: Yeah, like my cousin that was in the Air Force. Sure, he went to Iraq but it was way after the "war". He never left the air base, all he would talk about was how they had Starbucks and McDonald's on base, he would play video games, could do video chat with his friends and family all the time.

Then, after his 7 months there, he came home and he EATS IT UP when everyone calls him a "hero", people buy him lunch and dinner, they thank him non stop.


I'm sorry, but to me, you have to earn my respect and there are only a few people I would label a hero. Nothing against my cousin, he went to the Air Force as a job and if people want to throw things his way that's fine. But it is such a total joke.

It's a total joke to the TRUE heroes, the TRUE people that risk their lives.


*nods* Movie stars.
 
2013-01-15 12:55:11 PM  

Bontesla: slayer199: Kazan: unless the military finds an excuse to fark them out of their GI bill bennies like they did with my brother.

Oh, do tell.

My son decided he wasn't ready to go to college after high school and joined the Navy.  He ships out in April.

There are quite a few cases of veterans being denied benefits for various reasons (as of something I read a year or two ago). If I recall correctly - people who don't pay perfect attention to their agreement have been told they violated clause (insert random absurdity) and therefore are no longer eligible.

I also remember a few cases in which a veteran was released early from their contract because they were disabled while serving. But because they didn't finish out their term - they weren't eligible for all of the benefits specified in their contract.


Sounds anecdotal.
 
2013-01-15 12:55:35 PM  
One question; you managed to get thru boot, your tour and came home without any training? Even I, who hasn't ever served, know that the military has a gillion training programs. They might not transfer 100% into the civilian world; but, you definetly got some training in something if you served.
 
2013-01-15 12:55:49 PM  
"Let's be clear: Hiring a veteran can be one of the best decisions any of us can make," Mr. Simon will say in his keynote speech to the National Retail Federation, according to prepared text. "These are leaders with discipline, training and a passion for service."

/all the better to exploit them for profit while offering them a pittance for a wage right, while buying all your stuff from overseas. Don't make yourself out like youre big farking USA supporters, if you were that, you would buy as much as possible from the USA, and not sweat shop markets. Nice spin though, trying to drum up more business? Make yourself look better? Good luck with that, your reputation already is tainted.
 
2013-01-15 12:56:20 PM  

TwistedIvory: I think this is actually a good thing. There's nothing forcing our veterans to work at Wal-Mart, but at least it's an option.


BINGO. They can work where ever they like. It's a free country.
 
2013-01-15 12:56:25 PM  
To be fair, they went into the army because they couldn't get a job.
 
2013-01-15 12:56:28 PM  

TNel: So it's bad to offer a job to someone that can't find a job somewhere else? I mean it's not like they are being forced. Walmart is saying if you can't find something they will give you a job no questions asked. I mean good on them.


That about sizes it up.

Bravo wal-mart for stepping up

Any job trumps no job every time
 
2013-01-15 12:56:45 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Given the job situation, I think vets like the sound of this better than subby does.


The Waltons love this the most.

/ahh, more serfs to continue to build our fortune.
 
2013-01-15 12:57:22 PM  
Lance Cpl. Harold James Trombley: Hey Pers, didn't your mom put your picture up on the Wal-mart Wall Of Heroes?
Cpl. Josh Ray Person: Yep. My grandma did when I went to Afghanistan. I'm on the Nevada, Missouri Wal-mart Wall Of Heroes. I even got my dress blues on.
Sgt. Brad 'Iceman' Colbert: If my mother ever distributed my likeness without written authorization, I would disown her.
Cpl. Josh Ray Person: Technically speaking, Brad, but... didn't your biological parents disown you when they put you up for adoption?
Sgt. Brad 'Iceman' Colbert: Point, Ray. I was one of those unfortunates adopted by upper middle-class professionals and nurtured in an environment of learning, art and a socio-religious culture steeped in more than 2000 years of Talmudic tradition. Not everyone is lucky enough to have been raised in a whiskey tango trailer park by a bow-legged female whose sole qualification for motherhood is a womb that happened to catch a sperm of a passing truck driver.
Cpl. Josh Ray Person: At least my mom took me to NASCAR!
Lance Cpl. Harold James Trombley: ...Your dad's a truck driver?
 
2013-01-15 12:57:29 PM  

SpdrJay: I'm still trying to figure out how anyone in Iraq or Afghanistan was a threat to my freedom....


It's simple.

Freedom = American Geopolitical Interests

/just to clarify, I'm not anti-American. Every major world power has done the same thing at some point and draped their efforts in altruistic rhetoric for internal consumption
 
2013-01-15 01:00:04 PM  
I think Rent-A-Center was another company that is doing similar things. I praise them for the effort, but the implementation will probably be sub-par.
 
2013-01-15 01:00:13 PM  
Well, considering that the armed forces of the US are used exclusively to protect the interests of the large corporations (and NOT NOT NOT to protect our "freedoms"), it only makes sense that one of said corporations would throw him a bone and hire him when he got back.
 
2013-01-15 01:00:17 PM  

Bontesla: slayer199: Kazan: unless the military finds an excuse to fark them out of their GI bill bennies like they did with my brother.

Oh, do tell.

My son decided he wasn't ready to go to college after high school and joined the Navy.  He ships out in April.

There are quite a few cases of veterans being denied benefits for various reasons (as of something I read a year or two ago). If I recall correctly - people who don't pay perfect attention to their agreement have been told they violated clause (insert random absurdity) and therefore are no longer eligible.

I also remember a few cases in which a veteran was released early from their contract because they were disabled while serving. But because they didn't finish out their term - they weren't eligible for all of the benefits specified in their contract.


You are right, you have to serve a minimum of 3 years in order to receive the post 9/11 GI bill, so if you get a medical discharge before you hit that, you lose it. Shiatty, and kind of an oversight on the government's part because I don't think anyone really thought about that when they wrote the law. You still get the rest of your benefits from the VA if you get a medical discharge.

As for the farker's son who is joining the Navy, he made a good choice. Some times you just need to go out and see the world. The military is a good way to do that regardless of branch. Plus you will see a definite change in him when he is done. And when he does go to college, he will have a much easier time due to being more mature and more use to high stress. What's his job if you don't mind me asking?
 
2013-01-15 01:01:27 PM  
<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7536356/81906298#c81906298" target="_blank">Pocket Ninja</a>:</b> <i>Just out of curiosity, would a veteran's VA benefits (assuming he's enrolled) at all impact the health care coverage Wal-Mart might otherwise be required to provide to a full-time employee?</i>

VA healthcare benefits are apportioned and prioritized based on a tiered rating system. 100% disability due to service is the top tier. Being poor is farther down the list, but it seems from family members' experience that veterans with low-or-no income do get free or very cheap medical care. Thus veterans who work part-time at WMT probably would make little enough income, and still qualify for VA.

I am not a fan of Walmart, but this is a pretty cool thing to do. It is destructive to the human spirit to be without a job, especially for a veteran. The employment market is hell.
 
2013-01-15 01:02:03 PM  

ggecko: Yeah, like my cousin that was in the Air Force. Sure, he went to Iraq but it was way after the "war". He never left the air base, all he would talk about was how they had Starbucks and McDonald's on base, he would play video games, could do video chat with his friends and family all the time.

Then, after his 7 months there, he came home and he EATS IT UP when everyone calls him a "hero", people buy him lunch and dinner, they thank him non stop.


I'm sorry, but to me, you have to earn my respect and there are only a few people I would label a hero. Nothing against my cousin, he went to the Air Force as a job and if people want to throw things his way that's fine. But it is such a total joke.

It's a total joke to the TRUE heroes, the TRUE people that risk their lives.


I'm not saying your cousin secretly stood on the perimeter and single handedly fought off legions of terrorists with his M-16, but there's probably a lot you're not aware of that "FOBBITS" have to go through when they're downrange.

I know a number of folks that had rather mundane jobs over there, never left the wire, never fired their weapon, and in many cases didn't wear their body armor much. What they don't tell you is how they learned to tell the sound of an incoming mortar vs. a rocket, what the ripples of the concussion look like on the plexiglass windows, the intensity of the inspection of locals that come on base lest one of them be wearing a vest, or the interactions with door-kickers that didn't bring everyone home walking after the last mission.

No, not everyone is a hero. But not all FOBBITS are lazy, worthless desert gamers either.
 
2013-01-15 01:02:06 PM  

SpdrJay: I'm still trying to figure out how anyone in Iraq or Afghanistan was a threat to my freedom....


Because they hate you for it. When someone has something, and you don't, you hate them for having that thing - and you'll do anything you can to get it from them, to take it away so that you're both equally miserable. It's a perfectly natural human reaction.

That's why when I see two guys holding hands in public, knowing that they have the freedom to flaunt their abominable cocklust, I hate them for it. They have the freedom to enjoy the glisten of sweat on their partner's chiseled collarbone that I'll never experience outside of an airport restroom, and I'll do anything I can to force them back into that airport restroom that never seems to have any gays in it anymore since they were allowed to walk around freely.

What was the question again?
 
2013-01-15 01:02:18 PM  

philthpig: yeah... either it's an attempt at something good that is likely to amount to not much and insulting, or...

walmart is amassing an army.


You say that like they probably don't already have operatives working in places around the world.
 
2013-01-15 01:02:34 PM  

cgraves67: Well, we could always do like after WW2 where we gave the GI's jobs by firing the women working in factories.


Most of those women were dancing in the streets that they could finally quit working. Most really didn't want to then, but had no choice. But some liked it and wanted to continue working. These women would become the ones who would champion a woman's right to work and work to have discrimination against women in employment added to the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The only way that got into the bill, of course, was that Republicans wanted to kill the kill and LBJ was leading the fight for it. They figured if they slipped women into the mix, it would be a poison pill that LBJ would reject and veto it. Johnson trumped their ace.
 
2013-01-15 01:04:27 PM  

Kazan: slayer199: Vets have college paid for

unless the military finds an excuse to fark them out of their GI bill bennies like they did with my brother.


Let's hear it. Tell us your brother's story, because usually people fark themselves out of those benefits.
 
2013-01-15 01:04:30 PM  

badaboom: Did submitard even RTFA?


I don't think so. Seems like a solid plan to me. Plenty of veterans have trouble finding work when they get back. Nothing says they have to work at Walmart - what Walmart is saying is, "You don't have to worry - if nothing else, you'll have a job here."

Kudos to Walmart doing something a lot more companies should.
 
2013-01-15 01:05:35 PM  
Veterans across America are getting the shaft. Thanks but no thanks Wal-Mart. Nothing will change for veterans until we get what is rightfully ours.


"The Department of Veterans Affairs own statistics show that as of December 29, 2012, the VA had 900,677 pending claims. The percentage of those claims over 125 days old (that's over four months, folks) is 68.9 percent.

San Francisco's The Bay Citizen reported on 12/20/2012 that at the end of the fiscal year in September 2012, retroactive benefits had been paid to the survivors of nearly 19,500 veterans who died waiting."
 
2013-01-15 01:06:03 PM  
Isn't that the system they are fighting for?

Otherwise they would have stayed in their own country and tried to improve things there.
 
2013-01-15 01:07:35 PM  

nubzers: Bontesla: slayer199: Kazan: unless the military finds an excuse to fark them out of their GI bill bennies like they did with my brother.

Oh, do tell.

My son decided he wasn't ready to go to college after high school and joined the Navy.  He ships out in April.

There are quite a few cases of veterans being denied benefits for various reasons (as of something I read a year or two ago). If I recall correctly - people who don't pay perfect attention to their agreement have been told they violated clause (insert random absurdity) and therefore are no longer eligible.

I also remember a few cases in which a veteran was released early from their contract because they were disabled while serving. But because they didn't finish out their term - they weren't eligible for all of the benefits specified in their contract.

You are right, you have to serve a minimum of 3 years in order to receive the post 9/11 GI bill, so if you get a medical discharge before you hit that, you lose it. Shiatty, and kind of an oversight on the government's part because I don't think anyone really thought about that when they wrote the law. You still get the rest of your benefits from the VA if you get a medical discharge.

As for the farker's son who is joining the Navy, he made a good choice. Some times you just need to go out and see the world. The military is a good way to do that regardless of branch. Plus you will see a definite change in him when he is done. And when he does go to college, he will have a much easier time due to being more mature and more use to high stress. What's his job if you don't mind me asking?


That's only partially right. You need 3 years to get the full benefit. You only need 90 days of active + honorable discharge to receive some of it (the lowest tier is 40%). Granted, 50% of the money you could get isn't awesome, but its better than nothing especially if you can supplement it with other grants/fellowships/etc...
 
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